Women marches around the World Are SEXIST: London March : Police Have Stopped It

[arista]

And why now?


Trump is in Charge
but not until Monday


I guess it will be Funny on the Daily Show
ComedyHD

As President
give him a Chance
all the stuff 10 years back
are not relevant now

These women
are Left WINGERS


Bill Clinton
Never had Women marches
AND he did it the JOB.




This is Pathetic
LT , DR and TS

[Niamh.]

Because Trump is a sexist pig?

[Vicky.]

You do realize that these 'woman' marches are not just for women?

[arista]

Because Trump is a sexist pig?


No he was.


He now has Checks and Balances as President

[Niamh.]

You do realize that these 'woman' marches are not just for women?

Yes Robert DeNiro was leading a Protest outside Trump Towers

[Crimson Dynamo]

These silly protests will be old news by next week, let the snowflakes have a wee rant

[Vicky.]

Infact, some men have been threatening to beat up women just for attending, and the marches were touted as 'not-anti trump' in places they were advertised.

http://www.mumsnet.com/Talk/womens_rights/2803970-Womens-March-London-21st-January?msgid=66377816

One of the organisers of one argues in this thread that it is not anti-trump, even though they are pulled apart and shown they are liars. Their replies in here also show that the march is NOT for females at all...given males should be centred :)

[arista]

You do realize that these 'woman' marches are not just for women?


Of course many Men are joining them
thats fine.
Watched some speak on Live News just now Vicky

The Daily Show will be Funny
LT

[Niamh.]

These silly protests will be old news by next week, let the snowflakes have a wee rant

Not these protests Triggering you and Arista :hee:

[arista]

Infact, some men have been threatening to beat up women just for attending, and the marches were touted as 'not-anti trump' in places they were advertised.

http://www.mumsnet.com/Talk/womens_rights/2803970-Womens-March-London-21st-January?msgid=66377816

One of the organisers of one argues in this thread that it is not anti-trump. And also that it is clearly not just for females.

Yes Any Man that Breaks UK or USA Law
LOCK HIM up


I am with you Wise Vicky

So far it words
I have not seen on Any Men Beating Women up today
on real time news

[Tom4784]

Because he's a bigot who was elected by appealing to like minded bigots and whose VP wanted to end funding for Aids research and fund Conversion therapy instead?

His whole cabinet is full of bigots and he's already planning on repealing the affordable care act which will lead to the deaths of people who would otherwise have lived.

He's not the person of the people that he wants to make himself out to be, he's only for people who are white, rich, straight and male. He's a disgrace.

[arista]

These silly protests will be old news by next week, let the snowflakes have a wee rant


Yes they use Trump to Up their
marches

I must Get a Trump Quality Jacket Imported

Now as President
he is under Checks and balances
Why Now
he does not start until Monday?

[arista]

Loads of Women Voted for Trump
FACT

[arista]

He was a CEO
Dezzy

Now he is USA President.
Under Official Checks and Balances
sorry to keep Updating you lot

Not LT of course
he knows the score

[arista]

"He's not the person of the people "


Dezzy
HALF of America say he is??????

Even Real Women voted for him

He is Legit
Forget the Past that's for the Daily Show
Give him a Fair chance,

GW Bush got one
before 9/11

[Vicky.]

I actually can't get my head round females, poor people, or any minority group voting Trump. That said I guess sense and empathy is not some peoples strong suit. And the alternative was not the best either...Bernie </3

[Tom4784]

I actually can't get my head round females, poor people, or any minority group voting Trump. That said I guess sense and empathy is not some peoples strong suit. And the alternative was not the best either...Bernie </3

Their bigotry overcomes common sense and self awareness.

[arista]

I actually can't get my head round females, poor people, or any minority group voting Trump. That said I guess sense and empathy is not some peoples strong suit. And the alternative was not the best either...Bernie </3


Thats a Fair Point Vicky
BBC News HD spent all week
in USA and spoke to some Women Trump Voters
Rust Bucket Zone


Bernie was removed By the Evil Clintons


I liked Bernie
he was Funny

[Withano]

Wahh, theyre protesting something that I like, theyre pathetic because my opinions are better than theirs wahh

[arista]

Their bigotry overcomes common sense and self awareness.

That sounds like a Dezzy Film Script

[arista]

Dezzy they are Aware their Husband's Got FIRED
from the last 8 years on badness

[Niamh.]

I actually can't get my head round females, poor people, or any minority group voting Trump. That said I guess sense and empathy is not some peoples strong suit. And the alternative was not the best either...Bernie </3

Yeah same here

[MB.]

jfc Arista

[arista]

Yes Robert DeNiro was leading a Protest outside Trump Towers


Yes
he wants to Punch the President in the Face
but now just hangs with the sad crew


I Love His Films

Get away from Politics De Niro

[arista]

Live Now Real Time Debate on these Marches

LBC Global Radio

[Tom4784]

Yes
he wants to Punch the President in the Face
but now just hangs with the sad crew


I Love His Films

Get away from Politics De Niro

Yet you are fine with a Reality TV Star being president?

[Niamh.]

Yes
he wants to Punch the President in the Face
but now just hangs with the sad crew


I Love His Films

Get away from Politics De Niro

Trump is a bloody Realty Tv Star, people in glass houses Arista :nono:

[arista]

jfc Arista

Is that Illegal SLANG?
MB

[arista]

Trump is a bloody Realty Tv Star, people in glass houses Arista :nono:


Fine Lady
keep you feet on the ground

You mean HE WAS


Live Debate Now LBC

[Niamh.]

Fine Lady
keep you feet on the ground

You mean HE WAS


Live Debate Now LBC

Yes he was, shouldn't he have "kept his nose out of politics?"

[arista]

Yet you are fine with a Reality TV Star being president?


No I do not see it like that, Dezzy


Bill Clinton asked Hilary to Tour
the Rust Bucket Zone
the Democratic Part said NO
Fact

Ref : Radio 4


He won the Election
I respect that

[arista]

http://www.lbc.co.uk/

for any that can put it on
Live Press Red - its Free


DR
I do not work for LBC

[arista]

Yes he was, shouldn't he have "kept his nose out of politics?"


No
it great to have Non Politician in charge
that's why Women helped voting
him in.


He Won loads of Zones he should not have
Thank You Trump Women Voters


All LEGIT

[Niamh.]

No
it great to have Non Politician in charge
that's why Women helped voting
him in.


He Won loads of Zones he should not have
Thank You Trump Women Voters


All LEGIT

Make up your mind then, either "non Politicians" can speak about Politics or they can't?

[arista]

Live LBC
Breaking News
The London Womens March
is Stopped
London Police Order

PUBLIC ORDER


LBC on ads now

[Withano]

Make up your mind then, either "non Politicians" can speak about Politics or they can't?

:joker: exactly what I was thinking

[arista]

Make up your mind then, either "non Politicians" can speak about Politics or they can't?


No but he was a CEO
so Women in America
Respect that.

He is above the USA Politicians
He went from CEO to President

[DemolitionRed]

No
it great to have Non Politician in charge
that's why Women helped voting
him in.


He Won loads of Zones he should not have
Thank You Trump Women Voters


All LEGIT

OMFG!! :facepalm:

[Niamh.]

No but he was a CEO
so Women in America
Respect that.

So, only Politicians and CEOs should have opinions or an interest in Politics? :think: Why are we all posting in this thread then? He isn't even our President, should we all shut up? Or is it just Movie Stars who aren't allowed an opinion on Politics?

[arista]

In London the Live LBC Female Reporter
said it was 70 % womem
30% men

The LBC DJ
just moaned his switchboard is full
Men Callers

No UK women on the phone????

[arista]

"So, only Politicians and CEOs should have opinions or an interest in Politics?


Fine Lady
you must have Watched that
CEO destroy Jeb Bush?


CEO's matter
they control me

[Niamh.]

"So, only Politicians and CEOs should have opinions or an interest in Politics?


Fine Lady
you must have Watched that
CEO destroy Jeb Bush?


CEO's matter
they control me

You haven't answered my questions though.

[arista]

You haven't answered my questions though.

Sorry
what do you really mean?

[Withano]

Arista, anyone can have an active interest and/influence in politics regardless on whether you agree with what theyre saying or not. Youre sounding very undemocratic.

[Niamh.]

Sorry
what do you really mean?

I wasn't speaking in riddles. I was asking why Robert DeNiro isn't allowed an opinion on Politics just because he's a movie Star? :laugh: He's a citizen of the USA so infact he's more entitled to his opinion than you or I

[arista]

NO I want Democracy

Give Trump a chance

[Withano]

NO I want Democracy

Give Trump a chance

Bit difficult to accept this viewpoint from someone who wont give De Niro a chance

[arista]

I wasn't speaking in riddles. I was asking why Robert DeNiro isn't allowed an opinion on Politics just because he's a movie Star? :laugh: He's a citizen of the USA so infact he's more entitled to his opinion than you or I


Sorry I am on 2 HDMI computers
and 5 HD's are on.


Of Course Old Actor Robert can speak at any time
and I want shake his hand for that film
of the robbery
and is all done, he is alive
he with a Great Fine Lady
but he knows
Wanegrove fella (might be wrong spelling , my bad)
he is near the place he is at
and has to settle a score.

[Vicky.]

If people who didn't have a job that involved politics didn't talk about polotics..this section would be dead. Only joey and livia would be debating stuff like this and the rest of us would be resigned to arguing over which celeb looks best in a bikini...

[arista]

Bit difficult to accept this viewpoint from someone who wont give De Niro a chance

Robert had his chance
before the Election
he backed Clinton Women


Bernie was better

[arista]

If people who didn't have a job that involved politics didn't talk about politics..this section would be dead. Only joey and livia would be debating stuff like this and the rest of us would be resigned to arguing over which celeb looks best in a bikini...


Very True Vicky
I have Answered that Fine Irish Lady Mod

[arista]

Young tibbers
should give us a spin
this section is good
thanks to the saff

[DemolitionRed]

I somehow don't think you would give the young tibbers a chance Arista.

[Vicky.]

I somehow don't think you would give the young tibbers a chance Arista.

I agree...younger people seem to (on average) be much more left leaning than us oldies. Infact, I consider myself 'left' and I am perplexed by some of the ridiculously liberal views youngsters hold sometimes. I don't think anyone 'centre' or 'right' would be too impressed :D

[arista]

I somehow don't think you would give the young tibbers a chance Arista.


NO

Scott pops on this section
he says I am Great

Another Young Tibber
I told him how clever he was
and he posted on this section


Younger can be wiser

But follow the Law of the Land

[arista]

I agree...younger people seem to (on average) be much more left leaning than us oldies. Infact, I consider myself 'left' and I am perplexed by some of the ridiculously liberal views youngsters hold sometimes. I don't think anyone 'centre' or 'right' would be too impressed :D



Vicky YOU are not old

[Vicky.]

Vicky YOU are not old

I am 30 tomorrow :worry:

[arista]

I am 30 tomorrow :worry:


That is Young
you can get fit at any age.


You are not old
you need to tell any that
say you are, they are Wrong

30 is young

[arista]

Vicky you may be Left
but you are Sensible
and a good Mother.
That Counts

There are some Left wingers
that waste there LIFE
that is not you.

[arista]

I can deal with Left or Right in Power

So long as they are not doing a Illegal War
T. Blair

[Brillopad]

Lol at those calling millions of people 'bigots' for voting for Trump. This is a simplistic argument put forward by someone unable to present a reasoned discussion on the variety of reasons why so many voted for him.

It is simply dramatics trying to inflame an argument and a weak and predictable attempt at trying to take the moral high ground - a mind incapable of seeing past their own perceived narrow-minded views on the subject.

[Vicky.]

Most people I think voted for him to be 'anti-establishment' and for a change from the norm. To have someone who will actually listen to the people. Which is a good reason and one I could honestly see myself voting for when I was younger. However, it is rather naive one...if anyone thought Trump would give a crap about anyone besides himself and his buddies (much like our ruling elite), they were very mistaken. Females/minorities who voted for him will regret it..I have no doubt about that. Hell..hes already on about dismantling Obama-care and such...something the poorer people who voted for him will quite obviously benefit from. No LGBT page for the whitehouse but a page dedicated to Melanias jewelry range launched last night..and so on.

I do not think Clinton was a good candidate either, btw. So no sour grapes here. Just slightly scared and worried about the direction trump will take those in the USA. He could surprise me, I hope to god he does. But I doubt it.

[the truth]

Because he's a bigot who was elected by appealing to like minded bigots and whose VP wanted to end funding for Aids research and fund Conversion therapy instead?

His whole cabinet is full of bigots and he's already planning on repealing the affordable care act which will lead to the deaths of people who would otherwise have lived.

He's not the person of the people that he wants to make himself out to be, he's only for people who are white, rich, straight and male. He's a disgrace.

killary and the feminazis are the real bigots

[Brillopad]

killary and the feminazis are the real bigots

People who accuse others of being bigots are bigots. Pot and kettle.

It's all a less intelligent way of shutting down opposing views/arguments.

[Brother Leon]

No Woman march when Obama and Hilary's trained and funded terrorists were raping and selling Women in to sex slavery all over the Arab world? Did you want a woman that happily takes money from the most sexist country in the world instead?
Cringeworthy how proud Democratic countries just can't accept that Trump won fair and square. Revise and demand a tear down of your establishment politics instead.

[Brillopad]

No Woman march when Obama and Hilary's trained and funded terrorists were raping and selling Women in to sex slavery all over the Arab world?
Cringeworthy how proud Democratic countries just can't accept that Trump won fair and square. Revise and demand a tear down of your establishment politics instead.

He did fair and square. People can like it or lump it - same with Brexit.

[DemolitionRed]

He was a CEO
Dezzy

Now he is USA President.
Under Official Checks and Balances
sorry to keep Updating you lot

Not LT of course
he knows the score

Who died and made you the king of all knowledge?
Have a word with yourself please :hehe:

[arista]

People who accuse others of being bigots are bigots. Pot and kettle.

It's all a less intelligent way of shutting down opposing views/arguments.


Great Points Brillo'

[Crimson Dynamo]

Superb day for America yesterday, could not have gone better

:clap1:

[Withano]

People who accuse others of being bigots are bigots. Pot and kettle.

It's all a less intelligent way of shutting down opposing views/arguments.

(But sometimes bigots are bigots, and its okay to call them and their argument bigotry under some circumstances.)
Its not okay to call The Truth a bigot or unintelligent, just because he called other people bigots.

[Nick.]

Favourite signs & tweets from the protests

822829052042088449

822874525888966656

822875846834790404

822871777915338752
And a bonus one of Ron Swanson :flutter:

822862378903535617

[Crimson Dynamo]

https://pbs.twimg.com/profile_images/1980294624/DJT_Headshot_V2_bigger.jpgDonald J. Trump ‏@realDonaldTrump Jan 20

We will follow two simple rules: BUY AMERICAN & HIRE AMERICAN!
#InaugurationDay #MAGA🇺🇸
14,320 replies . 34,844 retweets 136,567 likes

:clap1:

when will Theresa?

[Crimson Dynamo]

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/C2lkWIQUUAAQJVH.jpg:large

[Brillopad]

(But sometimes bigots are bigots, and its okay to call them and their argument bigotry under some circumstances.)
.

Not without proof it's not - and calling everyone, for example, who voted For Trump a bigot is a good example of trying to shut down opposing opinions

[DemolitionRed]

Can we please stop posting stupidly big pictures.

[Amy Jade]

Threads like this seriously made me think Arista must be trolling us all

[Niamh.]

https://pbs.twimg.com/profile_images/1980294624/DJT_Headshot_V2_bigger.jpgDonald J. Trump ‏@realDonaldTrump Jan 20

We will follow two simple rules: BUY AMERICAN & HIRE AMERICAN!
#InaugurationDay #MAGA����
14,320 replies . 34,844 retweets 136,567 likes

:clap1:

when will Theresa?


You want her to buy and hire American?

[Crimson Dynamo]

top comment in the DM article

12,000+ likes (never seen one so high)

It's a pity they weren't as angry about the many attacks on women in Europe by certain males. No protests about that!


:clap1:


Women, hang your heads in shame

:bored:

[Withano]

Not without proof it's not - and calling everyone, for example, who voted For Trump a bigot is a good example of trying to shut down opposing opinions

Not without proof? You just called The Truth a bigot about an hour ago, you have no proof of this.. Apply your rules to yourself or carry on with hypocrisy.

[Pete.]

A woman wins the popular vote & a pro-female march is more popular than Trump's inauguration, the USA is not totally destroyed :love:

[Brillopad]

Not without proof? You just called The Truth a bigot about an hour ago, you have no proof of this.. Apply your rules to yourself or carry on with hypocrisy.

I most certainly did not call the Truth a bigot - what are you harping on about. You must have read something wrong. What post, where?

You are just dying to jump on my posts and in your desperation got the wrong end of the stick. Come on proof please?

[Smithy]

top comment in the DM article

12,000+ likes (never seen one so high)

It's a pity they weren't as angry about the many attacks on women in Europe by certain males. No protests about that!


:clap1:


Women, hang your heads in shame

:bored:

Or maybe the men should hang their heads in shame for attacking the women? :think:

[Withano]

I most certainly did not call the Truth a bigot - what are you harping on about. You must have read something wrong. What post, where?

You are just dying to jump on my posts and in your desperation got the wrong end of the stick. Come on proof please?

killary and the feminazis are the real bigots

People who accuse others of being bigots are bigots. Pot and kettle.

It's all a less intelligent way of shutting down opposing views/arguments.

You certainly did call him a bigot and unintelligent
On a post where he called a group of people bigots due to his own opinion, for whatever reason, you quoted him and said anybody who calls people bigots is a bigot and unintelligent.

Ban worthy in my opinion

[Brillopad]

You certainly did call him a bigot and unintelligent
On a post where he called a group of people bigots due to his own opinion, for whatever reason, you quoted him and said anybody who calls people bigots is a bigot and unintelligent.

Ban worthy in my opinion

I knew it and I know you.

I believe I posted that after a post of the Truths. I did not quote him as it was not directed at him. I thought from what I said it would be pretty obvious to who it was aimed at, although I decided not to directly quote him. You of course saw what you wanted to see.

Too eager to jump the gun without being sure of your facts - could be seen as harassment - ban worthy I think.

[Withano]

I knew it and I know you.

I believe I posted that after a post of the Truths. I did not quote him as it was not directed at him. I thought from what I said it would be pretty obvious to who it was aimed at, although I decided not to directly quote him. You of course saw what you wanted to see.

Too eager to jump the gun without being sure of your facts - could be seen as harassment - ban worthy I think.

look throught the thread.. You quoted him on a post he called a group of people bigots, and you said that anybody who calls someone a bigot is a bigot.

There is no need for personal attacks.

[Brillopad]

look throught the thread.. You quoted him on a post he called a group of people bigots, and you said that anybody who calls someone a bigot is a bigot.

There is no need for personal attacks.

I just have and yes I did quote him but it was NOT directed at him. I was using his post to respond to a previous post without directly quoting it. Shoot me.

You did see what you wanted to see to try and get me banned. That maybe your style - it isn't mine.

Btw - you are personally attacking me with allegations you cannot prove as they are untrue. Usual nonsence from you.

[Withano]

I just have and yes I did quote him but it was NOT directed at him. I was using his post to respond to a previous post without directly quoting it. Shoot me.

You did see what you wanted to see to try and get me banned. That maybe your style - it isn't mine.

Btw - you are personally attacking me with allegations you cannot prove as they are untrue. Usual nonsence from you.

Im not trying to get you banned, didnt even report the post.

But you have confused me. You wanted to call a left wing member a bigot because they called other people bigots and everybody who calls people bigots are bigots, but you did so by quoting a right wing member, who also called people bigots.. But this member isnt a bigot despite following your weird 'bigot criteria' of - everybody who calls people bigots are bigots - i think its your bed time.
Either be true to your beliefs, and treat right wing and left wing people the same, or stop attacking other members completely.

[Niamh.]

Can we stop getting personal please and stick to the topic

[Brother Leon]

822903956955230208

What a stupid sign.

[Withano]

822903956955230208

What a stupid sign.

I mean, historically, its entirely correct.

[Tom4784]

People who accuse others of being bigots are bigots. Pot and kettle.

It's all a less intelligent way of shutting down opposing views/arguments.

That makes zero sense.

If someone calls you a bigot and you aren't then it's down to you to argue your corner, if anyone accused me of bigotry then I'd laugh them off the planet because it's a ridiculous suggestion. I assume the only people who feel that it 'shuts them down' are people who are actually bigoted and can't argue against it.

No matter how much you try, you aren't going to turn 'bigot' 'racist' or any words of it's ilk into dirty words.

[Brillopad]

That makes zero sense.

If someone calls you a bigot and you aren't then it's down to you to argue your corner, if anyone accused me of bigotry then I'd laugh them off the planet because it's a ridiculous suggestion. I assume the only people who feel that it 'shuts them down' are people who are actually bigoted and can't argue against it.

No matter how much you try, you aren't going to turn 'bigot' 'racist' or any words of it's ilk into dirty words.

It isn't down to anyone to argue their corner against those throwing around such allegations. Some choose to in response to the arrogance of those who think they have the right to make such judgements on people according to who they voted for in a public vote

To call people bigots based on that is bigoted. It is also easy for people who cannot justify their thinking with anything other than the use of a simple, insulting word.

[Withano]

Some choose to in response to the arrogance of those who think they have the right to make such judgements on people according to who they voted for in a public vote
.

Apart from you said in this thread that this doesnt apply to the person that called those who voted "killary" bigots and feminazis.

So actually your hypocrisy on the thread has lost you another round of debates.

[Brillopad]

Apart from you said in this thread that this doesnt apply to the person that called those who voted "killary" bigots and feminazis.

So actually your hypocrisy on the thread has lost you another round of debates.

Stop putting words in my mouth. I am not interested in that post and have made no comment on it.

I am not interested in another pointless session with you. So toddle along and play your games with someone else.

[Withano]

Stop putting words in my mouth. I am not interested in that post and have made no comment on it.

I am not interested in another pointless session with you. So toddle along and play your games with someone else.

I can comment on any post I like, this one for instance is childish.

Its up to each person to reply to, or ignore mine. Looks like you chose the former.

[Tom4784]

It isn't down to anyone to argue their corner against those throwing around such allegations. Some choose to in response to the arrogance of those who think they have the right to make such judgements on people according to who they voted for in a public vote

To call people bigots based on that is bigoted. It is also easy for people who cannot justify their thinking with anything other than the use of a simple, insulting word.

Of course it is, if someone accused me of any of the 'isms' I'd argue the **** out of them. If you aren't willing to defend your point of view then that's your problem, SD isn't the best section to be posting in if that's the case.

Your second paragraph is basically a repeat of what you said before and it doesn't make that point any less ridiculous. It is basically the equivalent of saying 'I know you are but what am I?'

Calling someone a bigot isn't an act of bigotry in itself, it's just a very transparent attempt to demonise a word to protect people from dealing with the fact that all opinions come with consequences. It's basically what I've said before in other SD topics, that most people only want freedom of speech as long as it benefits THEM and not anyone else of a differing opinion.

If someone is displaying racist views or attitudes then it's well within another person's right to call them out on it because THEY have a right to their opinion too.

Freedom of Speech is not a one way street, Wombai.

[Brillopad]

Of course it is, if someone accused me of any of the 'isms' I'd argue the **** out of them. If you aren't willing to defend your point of view then that's your problem, SD isn't the best section to be posting in if that's the case.

Your second paragraph is basically a repeat of what you said before and it doesn't make that point any less ridiculous. It is basically the equivalent of saying 'I know you are but what am I?'

Calling someone a bigot isn't an act of bigotry in itself, it's just a very transparent attempt to demonise a word to protect people from dealing with the fact that all opinions come with consequences. It's basically what I've said before in other, that most people only want freedom of speech as long as it benefits THEM and not anyone else of a differing opinion.

If someone is displaying racist views or attitudes then it's well within another person's right to call them out on it because THEY have a right to their opinion too.

Freedom of Speech is not a one way street, Wombai.

More predictability. Not biting today. :nono:

[Tom4784]

More predictability. Not biting today. :nono:

Ah, trying to make out that I'm baiting you because you don't have a counter argument to what I'm saying. It's a rather tired tactic.

[Brillopad]

Ah, trying to make out that I'm baiting you because you don't have a counter argument to what I'm saying. It's a rather tired tactic.

Don't bother then. I couldn't give a toss whether you think I have a counter argument or not. As far as I'm concerned there was little to have a counter argument to.

[Tom4784]

Don't bother then. I couldn't give a toss whether you think I have a counter argument or not. As far as I'm concerned there was little to have a counter argument to.

Weren't you just complaining that people use the word 'bigot' to shut down arguments? You are literally trying to shut down this discussion by making out that I was baiting you....

[Northern Monkey]

Well i hope they all got home in time to cook dinner

[Scarlett.]

Great to see such a turn out, it's heart warming to see so many people turning out to protest against hate, peacefully.

[arista]

Well i hope they all got home in time to cook dinner


NO NM


prepared dinner in fridge
cook for 3 mins
add gravy cook for another 2mins


WIPE OUT MICROWVE
sticky note




Feel The Force.

[arista]

Great to see such a turn out, it's heart warming to see so many people turning out to protest against hate, peacefully.



Yes so long as they are Not Smashing Shop windows
its Fine Chewy

But I hope your aware and you have been Updated
some on marches were not just marching against Trump,


On all News

[Northern Monkey]

NO NM


prepared dinner in fridge
cook for 3 mins
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[jaxie]

I think its good to see women being passionate about something and respecting themselves and so on. However, for me this is a misguided choice of issue to march over.

If we are going to scream and shout about about a foreign government, why don't we see women marching about the rights of Saudi woman who aren't allowed to go out without a male family member and aren't allowed to drive a car among many other things. Or women in Iran, or China where they have a serious population imbalance of men to women because of the practice of disposing of little girl babies in favour of boys. There are women in the world who have no rights. They can't choose who to love or who to marry. They can't even choose what to wear. Not only can men speak about them disrespectfully they can use them disrespectfully, treat them as property, lock them up in the home.

Trump talks inappropriately a few years ago about a few women who might have misguidedly let him cop a feel, or who he thought he could cop a feel with, and everyone is up in arms. Women who live in a country where they have every right to take the bastard to court and nail him for it.

I am a bit bemused as to how some of these things are acceptable, and some are not. I am not saying any woman should have to put up with inappropriate sexual harassment but the perspective to me seems unbalanced, particularly when the women in Trump's case could report him to the police or sue him, they are allowed out without a male family member..

[Northern Monkey]

I think its good to see women being passionate about something and respecting themselves and so on. However, for me this is a misguided choice of issue to march over.

If we are going to scream and shout about about a foreign government, why don't we see women marching about the rights of Saudi woman who aren't allowed to go out without a male family member and aren't allowed to drive a car among many other things. Or women in Iran, or China where they have a serious population imbalance of men to women because of the practice of disposing of little girl babies in favour of boys. There are women in the world who have no rights. They can't choose who to love or who to marry. They can't even choose what to wear. Not only can men speak about them disrespectfully they can use them disrespectfully, treat them as property, lock them up in the home.

Trump talks inappropriately a few years ago about a few women who might have misguidedly let him cop a feel, or who he thought he could cop a feel with, and everyone is up in arms. Women who live in a country where they have every right to take the bastard to court and nail him for it.

I am a bit bemused as to how some of these things are acceptable, and some are not. I am not saying any woman should have to put up with inappropriate sexual harassment but the perspective to me seems unbalanced, particularly when the women in Trump's case could report him to the police or sue him, they are allowed out without a male family member..Because on the lefties scale of victimhood Muslims are a more protected group than women.

It goes something like this from most protected to least
Non whites
Transexuals
Gays
White foreigners
Women













Straight white males

[Brillopad]

I think its good to see women being passionate about something and respecting themselves and so on. However, for me this is a misguided choice of issue to march over.

If we are going to scream and shout about about a foreign government, why don't we see women marching about the rights of Saudi woman who aren't allowed to go out without a male family member and aren't allowed to drive a car among many other things. Or women in Iran, or China where they have a serious population imbalance of men to women because of the practice of disposing of little girl babies in favour of boys. There are women in the world who have no rights. They can't choose who to love or who to marry. They can't even choose what to wear. Not only can men speak about them disrespectfully they can use them disrespectfully, treat them as property, lock them up in the home.

Trump talks inappropriately a few years ago about a few women who might have misguidedly let him cop a feel, or who he thought he could cop a feel with, and everyone is up in arms. Women who live in a country where they have every right to take the bastard to court and nail him for it.

I am a bit bemused as to how some of these things are acceptable, and some are not. I am not saying any woman should have to put up with inappropriate sexual harassment but the perspective to me seems unbalanced, particularly when the women in Trump's case could report him to the police or sue him, they are allowed out without a male family member..

Some very good points Jaxie and I agree totally. I feel that people are afraid to tackle the issues of women who are treated as property and who have absolutely no rights due to so-called religious beliefs.

Their sense of being seen to be politically correct and accepting of other cultures gets priority over the plight of those poor women. They turn a blind eye, maybe due to deep rooted sexism, and hide behind comments such as they have the right to choose what they want to wear when people challenge the wearing of burkas in the West, which is simple deflection to let them off the hook for their own inaction. No doubt we will hear more of the same later. Of all the 'isms' it seems that to many sexism comes bottom of the pile , that sub-consciously at least, they do not treat the 'isms' equally. There seems to be more 'street-cred' for supporting isms such as racism and liberalism.

Men get away with murder in the name of religion worldwide, many of their victims women and many women from their own families. I saw an interesting documentary recently regarding a young girl in India who had defied her father and was shot and thrown in a river and left for dead by him. She survived but was pressured by everyone, family, villages and the system, to forgive him so he didn't have to stay in prison - common practice apparently. She didn't want to but had little choice. The father had been far more concerned with preserving his reputation and receiving respect than the life or suffering of his own daughter. There was absolutely no remorse from him for what he had done to her. He actually said he was proud of what he had done, that he had done the right thing.

That sort of religous belief has no place on the planet and is a cover for psychopathic women hating men, of which there are clearly many, to get away with it. Sickening how anyone in the Western world could in any way want to condone such religions in the West in order to indulge their own sense of moral superiority by being accepting of other cultures and religions. I feel ashamed for them.

[DemolitionRed]

What you're not getting is, this march was an international day of solidarity. It wasn't just about Trump. It was used on the day of his Inauguration because Trump, our new leader of the world, is the new face misogyny. This march was about female repression the world over.

Why do so many threads get turned back towards Muslims? its like an obsession.

[Brillopad]

What you're not getting is, this march was an international day of solidarity. It wasn't just about Trump. It was used on the day of his Inauguration because Trump, our new leader of the world, is the new face misogyny. This march was about female repression the world over.

Why do so many threads get turned back towards Muslims? its like an obsession.

I guess because this particular religion's treatment of women is one of the worst and very visual, the wearing of the burka, and should not be allowed on streets in the West, it is tantamount to acceptance of said repression.

[DemolitionRed]

I guess because this particular religion's treatment of women is one of the worst and very visual, the wearing of the burka, and should not be allowed on streets in the West, it is tantamount to acceptance of said repression.

That's not what this discussion is about.

[arista]

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[the truth]

What you're not getting is, this march was an international day of solidarity. It wasn't just about Trump. It was used on the day of his Inauguration because Trump, our new leader of the world, is the new face misogyny. This march was about female repression the world over.

Why do so many threads get turned back towards Muslims? its like an obsession.

Men are more oppressed than women in western society. If these man haters want to march I suggets they march in the countries where women are oppressed ie. the middle east. a place where the idiotic feminazis and liberals want to allow totally open borders unchecked immigration and sharia law too...they make so sense whatsoever. trump is trying to protect these women and men from such radical islamic terrorists

[Northern Monkey]

Biology doesn't make men and women unequal,It makes them different and as such they often have to make different choices.

[Tom4784]

I think its good to see women being passionate about something and respecting themselves and so on. However, for me this is a misguided choice of issue to march over.

If we are going to scream and shout about about a foreign government, why don't we see women marching about the rights of Saudi woman who aren't allowed to go out without a male family member and aren't allowed to drive a car among many other things. Or women in Iran, or China where they have a serious population imbalance of men to women because of the practice of disposing of little girl babies in favour of boys. There are women in the world who have no rights. They can't choose who to love or who to marry. They can't even choose what to wear. Not only can men speak about them disrespectfully they can use them disrespectfully, treat them as property, lock them up in the home.

Trump talks inappropriately a few years ago about a few women who might have misguidedly let him cop a feel, or who he thought he could cop a feel with, and everyone is up in arms. Women who live in a country where they have every right to take the bastard to court and nail him for it.

I am a bit bemused as to how some of these things are acceptable, and some are not. I am not saying any woman should have to put up with inappropriate sexual harassment but the perspective to me seems unbalanced, particularly when the women in Trump's case could report him to the police or sue him, they are allowed out without a male family member..

I disagree completely.

I think the (rather random) Muslim statements don't serve a point other than to shut down the conversation. Just because some women are repressed in some parts of the world doesn't mean we can't discuss issues facing women in our part of the world. One issue doesn't cancel out another.

Trump's election and Brexit showed that both the UK and the US are sliding towards extremism. The Women's March is as relevant to the UK as it is to the US although it's more pre-emptive here but still important as our Media and government rely on scapegoats and anyone who isn't the preferred demographic will be targeted eventually.

Trump's administration brings with it the threat of the end of Planned Parenthood, stricter abortion laws and the continued presence of a gender based wage gap. The march is relevant and important.

[the truth]

Biology doesn't make men and women unequal,It makes them different and as such they often have to make different choices.

feminists dont accept that. they think the average wage across the entire world should be identical. even though men do jobs for many years that 99.9% of women wouldnt consider

[VanessaFeltz.]

I disagree completely.

I think the (rather random) Muslim statements don't serve a point other than to shut down the conversation. Just because some women are repressed in some parts of the world doesn't mean we can't discuss issues facing women in our part of the world. One issue doesn't cancel out another.

Trump's election and Brexit showed that both the UK and the US are sliding towards extremism. The Women's March is as relevant to the UK as it is to the US although it's more pre-emptive here but still important as our Media and government rely on scapegoats and anyone who isn't the preferred demographic will be targeted eventually.

Trump's administration brings with it the threat of the end of Planned Parenthood, stricter abortion laws and the continued presence of a gender based wage gap. The march is relevant and important.

amazing post

[Northern Monkey]

feminists dont accept that. they think the average wage across the entire world should be identical. even though men do jobs for many years that 99.9% of women wouldnt consider

Well one of the issues that feminists generally shy away from is the fact that way more men die at work because they do the horrible jobs that women won't or can't do.Put that fact to a feminist and they'll change the subject or try telling you it's all about the context etc etc blah blah.

[Tom4784]

feminists dont accept that. they think the average wage across the entire world should be identical. even though men do jobs for many years that 99.9% of women wouldnt consider

The fact that you think a gender based wage gap is acceptable says it all and your attempts to justify it are illogical and nonsensical.

[the truth]

I disagree completely.

I think the (rather random) Muslim statements don't serve a point other than to shut down the conversation. Just because some women are repressed in some parts of the world doesn't mean we can't discuss issues facing women in our part of the world. One issue doesn't cancel out another.

Trump's election and Brexit showed that both the UK and the US are sliding towards extremism. The Women's March is as relevant to the UK as it is to the US although it's more pre-emptive here but still important as our Media and government rely on scapegoats and anyone who isn't the preferred demographic will be targeted eventually.

Trump's administration brings with it the threat of the end of Planned Parenthood, stricter abortion laws and the continued presence of a gender based wage gap. The march is relevant and important.

The feminazis are the extreme movement. they have more rights than men in western society, theyve destroyed families and childhood too. they trying to shut down all free speech next and ignore the rife sexism against men in western society, because they are not a movement for equality they are a sexist vicious male hating out of date corrupt movement hell bent on female supremacy and male oppression

[Vicky.]

Well one of the issues that feminists generally shy away from is the fact that way more men die at work because they do the horrible jobs that women won't or can't do.Put that fact to a feminist and they'll change the subject or try telling you it's all about the context etc etc blah blah.

This should change before long given women have been fighting for the right to fight on the army frontline, same as men..and now have that right just extra training is involved so its not quite happening yet (unless you class men who were already in the army now wearing dresses and deciding that makes them women and such...). The death toll of women at work should rise soon, probably by next year :)

[the truth]

The fact that you think a gender based wage gap is acceptable says it all and your attempts to justify it are illogical and nonsensical.

your counter argument is embarrassing and your false outrage and fake taking of offence oh so predictable. If 2 people do the exact same job to the same standard in the same part of the country they should be paid the same. otherwise there will be variation. how many women clean the sewers, work oil rigs, carry out the rubbish, how many do the most dangerous jobs risking life and limb compared to men? until the same number do, then they cannot earn the living for doing these jobs? You cont even understand mean medium mode. Im talking the mean across the whole country. when you factor in the vast number of men who do more risky jobs and get danger money they they overall male mean/average will be boosted above womens.

[Tom4784]

Well one of the issues that feminists generally shy away from is the fact that way more men die at work because they do the horrible jobs that women won't or can't do.Put that fact to a feminist and they'll change the subject or try telling you it's all about the context etc etc blah blah.

It's a stupid argument to make. Why should a woman be paid less than a man just because some industries are male dominated? It makes no ****ing sense.

Does this mean that men working in the fashion, childcare or Health & Beauty industries should be paid less than women because they are female dominated industries? It's dumb.

Men and women who perform the same job should be paid an equal wage, the fact that people are arguing against this is just ****ing mind boggling.

[Vicky.]

I am not a feminist by any stretch of the imagination, but find the idea that feminists should centre the struggles of men slightly bizarre. Its kinda akin to asking the black lives matter movement to focus on the struggles of white people.

And I am yet to meet a feminist who hates men, as is often claimed.

I actually agree that in this country men and women are more or less equal. But to claim that men are more oppressed is just silly to me.

[Tom4784]

The feminazis are the extreme movement. they have more rights than men in western society, theyve destroyed families and childhood too. they trying to shut down all free speech next and ignore the rife sexism against men in western society, because they are not a movement for equality they are a sexist vicious male hating out of date corrupt movement hell bent on female supremacy and male oppression

Nothing you say is based on logic or facts but it all comes from the deep seated need to feel oppressed. You are not oppressed for being a straight white man, you have never been oppressed in your life and you never will. Nothing you say will change that.

[Brillopad]

Well one of the issues that feminists generally shy away from is the fact that way more men die at work because they do the horrible jobs that women won't or can't do.Put that fact to a feminist and they'll change the subject or try telling you it's all about the context etc etc blah blah.

You do know a significant amount of women die in childbirth, and many thousands over the years.

And male/female roles came from tradition in a male dominated society. Men made those decisions. Over the years women have challenged these roles with more women than ever doing tradionally male jobs.

[Vicky.]

your counter argument is embarrassing and your false outrage and fake taking of offence oh so predictable. If 2 people do the exact same job to the same standard in the same part of the country they should be paid the same. otherwise there will be variation. how many women clean the sewers, work oil rigs, carry out the rubbish, how many do the most dangerous jobs risking life and limb compared to men? until the same number do, then they cannot earn the living for doing these jobs? You cont even understand mean medium mode. Im talking the mean across the whole country. when you factor in the vast number of men who do more risky jobs and get danger money they they overall male mean/average will be boosted above womens.

I really doubt any of those things would affect the wage gap, given they will be fairly low paid? If anything, they would bring down the average earnings of males against females?

[the truth]

Nothing you say is based on logic or facts but it all comes from the deep seated need to feel oppressed. You are not oppressed for being a straight white man, you have never been oppressed in your life and you never will. Nothing you say will change that.

Nice try to avoid the FACTS which you cannot possibly argue with lol Nothing you just typed made any sense , it was embarassing and og so predictable and transparent. You 100% ignored exactly what I was saying deliberately. A typically disingenuous feminist reply:nono: You have lost this argument very badly

[the truth]

I really doubt any of those things would affect the wage gap, given they will be fairly low paid? If anything, they would bring down the average earnings of males and females?

That is simply untrue, they ALL affect the wage gap. Its time those pretending to care about equal opportunities focused not on the totally fake oppression of women in western society, which simply doesnt exist. But on the oppression and discrimination and wage gap on the disabled, the sick and elderly. These groups should be furiour with the selfish man hating feminists who keep stealing the attention and public money to serve their selfish desires. when the attention and money belongs with these truly oppressed discriminated against groups in western society

[Brillopad]

I am not a feminist by any stretch of the imagination, but find the idea that feminists should centre the struggles of men slightly bizarre. Its kinda akin to asking the black lives matter movement to focus on the struggles of white people.

And I am yet to meet a feminist who hates men, as is often claimed.

I actually agree that in this country men and women are more or less equal. But to claim that men are more oppressed is just silly to me.

No offence Vicki but I find it very frustrating when women say they are not a feminist. If you believe in female equality then you are a feminist as that is all feminism means - believing in equality. You sound like a woman who believes in equality to me.

[Vicky.]

Also if anyone thinks its as easy for a female to get a promotion as it is for a male..you are kidding yourself. In my fairly short lifetime I have been passed over for promotions twice based on the fact that I would not suck off/**** the male boss in order to gain said promotion. Both times, the job went to a male who was worse at the job than me.

Of course, you could argue that the male was actually better (even though they clearly weren't, but for the sake of argument) but then you have to ask yourself, why was I offered it above the more capable male, on the condition that I basically prostituted myself?

[Vicky.]

No offence Vicki but I find it very frustrating when women say they are not a feminist. If you believe in female equality then you are a feminist as that is all feminism means - believing in equality. You sound like a woman who believes in equality to me.

I meant more along the lines of...I don't march. I don't fight. I do nothing. I believe in equality yes.

Maybe I am not a feminist activist would have been more appropriate.

[Niamh.]

No offence Vicki but I find it very frustrating when women say they are not a feminist. If you believe in female equality then you are a feminist as that is all feminism means - believing in equality. You sound like a woman who believes in equality to me.

I agree but unfortunately feminist has becomes a dirty word and seems to have warped into a different meaning altogether

[Vicky.]

That is simply untrue, they ALL affect the wage gap. Its time those pretending to care about equal opportunities focused not on the totally fake oppression of women in western society, which simply doesnt exist. But on the oppression and discrimination and wage gap on the disabled, the sick and elderly. These groups should be furiour with the selfish man hating feminists who keep stealing the attention and public money to serve their selfish desires. when the attention and money belongs with these truly oppressed discriminated against groups in western society

As I understand it, lower paid manual labour jobs which fall under the general average...would drag down the average wages of males? Unless the average is not worked out in the way averages usually are I guess.

[Northern Monkey]

It's a stupid argument to make. Why should a woman be paid less than a man just because some industries are male dominated? It makes no ****ing sense.

Does this mean that men working in the fashion, childcare or Health & Beauty industries should be paid less than women because they are female dominated industries? It's dumb.

Men and women who perform the same job should be paid an equal wage, the fact that people are arguing against this is just ****ing mind boggling.

Who's arguing against that?Wage should reflect the job role.If one gender happens to go into lesser paid roles more than the other then that's not the fault of the opposite gender.There may be a case for childcare roles to increase wages but that needs to be taken up with that industry.

Women in their twenties are out earning men.When they get into their thirties when many decide to have children then that tends to be where the gap is.

[Brillopad]

I agree but unfortunately feminist has becomes a dirty word and seems to have warped into a different meaning altogether

I know and that is a shame. Women need to be stronger - loud and proud. It doesn't mean they are men haters or lesbians so they should not allow others to make them feel embarrassed to say they are a feminist.

[Vicky.]

Who's arguing against that?Wage should reflect the job role.If one gender happens to go into lesser paid roles more than the other then that's not the fault of the opposite gender.There may be a case for childcare roles to increase wages but that needs to be taken up with that industry.

Women in their twenties are out earning men.When they get into their thirties when many decide to have children then that tends to be where the gap is.

Whats being claimed on this thread is that males do the lesser paid jobs that noone wants to do...and this is the reason why men earn more than women?

I do agree that childcare is a huge reason for the gender paygap though. Its more...'traditional' for women to stay home with the kids whilst the man works. Or for the woman to go part time.

Another fairly obvious reason though is...age 30+ you are more likely to be getting promotions and rising to the top of the career ladder. It IS harder for females to do this, even without kids to 'hold them back'.

[Northern Monkey]

If feminism was about equality it wouldn't be called 'feminism'.It would be a broader term to encourage equality for everyone.
Real feminism played an important role back when women were truly oppressed but now both sexes are equally oppressed the term is outdated.
Modern feminists in the main don't want equality.

[Northern Monkey]

Whats being claimed on this thread is that males do the lesser paid jobs that noone wants to do...and this is the reason why men earn more than women?

I do agree that childcare is a huge reason for the gender paygap though. Its more...'traditional' for women to stay home with the kids whilst the man works. Or for the woman to go part time.

Another fairly obvious reason though is...age 30+ you are more likely to be getting promotions and rising to the top of the career ladder. It IS harder for females to do this, even without kids to 'hold them back'.No that's not the reason they earn more than women in a lifetime.That's conflating two different issues but when women are doing dangerous and manual jobs in the same numbers as men and getting paid equally over a lifetime then their will be true equality....

However if we accept that men and women are different and there are some roles suited more for a particular gender then that probably is part of the reason for the pay gap.Maybe some female oriented roles do need a wage increase.However i would'nt class the beauty industry etc as those.

Most women have kids and i would say that has a huge impact on the pay gap in higher paid jobs.Specially those involving commision.

[Vicky.]

No that's not the reason they earn more than women in a lifetime.That's conflating two different issues but when women are doing dangerous and manual jobs in the same numbers as men and getting paid equally over a lifetime then their will be true equality....

However if we accept that men and women are different and there are some roles suited more for a particular gender then that probably is part of the reason for the pay gap.Maybe some female oriented roles do need a wage increase.However i would'nt class the beauty industry etc as those.

Most women have kids and i would say that has a huge impact on the pay gap in higher paid jobs.Specially those involving commision.

As do most men tbh.

I agree with the rest of your post. I go against 'acceptable' opinions on the male/female jobs thing too. I DO think that men are better suited to some jobs based purely on biology. Ie. Jobs that require a lot of strength are (IMO) better suited to males as males are generally much stronger than females. Of course there are exceptions, but as a group, men are stronger than women...and theres nothing wrong with accepting this. It almost seems to be an unacceptable opinion that men (for example) make better police officers, firefighters and such than women. As a whole, not on an individual basis. And thats just silly. there are huge differences between the sexes. Both in how we are built and what hormones do for us...

[Northern Monkey]

As do most men tbh.

I agree with the rest of your post. I go against 'acceptable' opinions on the male/female jobs thing too. I DO think that men are better suited to some jobs based purely on biology. Ie. Jobs that require a lot of strength are (IMO) better suited to males as males are generally much stronger than females. Of course there are exceptions, but as a group, men are stronger than women...and theres nothing wrong with accepting this. It almost seems to be an unacceptable opinion that men (for example) make better police officers, firefighters and such than women. As a whole, not on an individual basis. And thats just silly. there are huge differences between the sexes. Both in how we are built and what hormones do for us...But men don't get to choose either.They can't have the high flying job and take a year off to look after the newborn.I've been in jobs where men get two weeks paternity leave paid and can choose to take another four unpaid but it is frowned upon.

[Vicky.]

But men don't get to choose either.They can't have the high flying job and take a year off to look after the newborn.I've been in jobs where men get two weeks paternity leave paid and can choose to take another four unpaid but it is frowned upon.

I'm not understanding this? men have the option as women do to give up work or go part-time upon having a child?

The paternity leave thing is a ****ing disgrace. I actually thought that had been changed now so that either than mother or the father could take the parental leave?

[the truth]

As I understand it, lower paid manual labour jobs which fall under the general average...would drag down the average wages of males? Unless the average is not worked out in the way averages usually are I guess.

yeah oil riggers are way underpaid lol:conf:

[Vicky.]

yeah oil riggers are way underpaid lol:conf:

The rest of the jobs you listed are..

On the subject of oil riggers actually...is it normal to do a kind of 1 week on 3 week off arrangement? Theres a group of men in the bar I used to work who did that job and were only away part of the month but seemed to be absolutely LOADED.

[the truth]

As do most men tbh.

I agree with the rest of your post. I go against 'acceptable' opinions on the male/female jobs thing too. I DO think that men are better suited to some jobs based purely on biology. Ie. Jobs that require a lot of strength are (IMO) better suited to males as males are generally much stronger than females. Of course there are exceptions, but as a group, men are stronger than women...and theres nothing wrong with accepting this. It almost seems to be an unacceptable opinion that men (for example) make better police officers, firefighters and such than women. As a whole, not on an individual basis. And thats just silly. there are huge differences between the sexes. Both in how we are built and what hormones do for us...

dont forget those women who do choose to have kids and take a few years out of their career also get a hell of a lot of benefits, child benefits, housing benefits, income support, plus they get to keep the family home , the men are kicked out if the couple split, in which case the women get a sizeable income from the ex husbands too....all of that should be factored in when adding up men and womens total incomes

[Northern Monkey]

I'm not understanding this? men have the option as women do to give up work or go part-time upon having a child?

The paternity leave thing is a ****ing disgrace. I actually thought that had been changed now so that either than mother or the father could take the parental leave?

Well if women are mainly spending less time in work due to maternity then they take a pay cut for part of that time plus miss opportunities for promotion etc due to less time in work plus in commission based jobs they're missing out on alot of money.According to the statistics of what age this pay gap begins it is generally when women become mothers so it's undoubtedly having an effect.Men are'nt taking that time off work.Motherhood seems to effect womens careers in high paid jobs.If men were taking that time off in equal numbers then this gap would close massively.
Also don't forget that many women choose to become stay at home mums for 10,15,16 years.That is a massive loss of earnings.There's nothing wrong with that btw but women or men can't have everything.It's impossible for either sex to be a stay at home parent and have a lifelong career.

Not sure on paternity pay these days.

[Vicky.]

Well if women are mainly spending less time in work due to maternity then they take a pay cut for part of that time plus miss opportunities for promotion etc due to less time in work plus in commission based jobs they're missing out on alot of money.According to the statistics of what age this pay gap begins it is generally when women become mothers so it's undoubtedly having an effect.Men are'nt taking that time off work.Motherhood seems to effect womens careers in high paid jobs.If men were taking that time off in equal numbers then this gap would close massively.
Also don't forget that many women choose to become stay at home mums for 10,15,16 years.That is a massive loss of earnings.There's nothing wrong with that btw but women or men can't have everything.It's impossible for either sex to be a stay at home parent and have a lifelong career.

Not sure on paternity pay these days.

Yeah, men aren't taking time off work for the kids, this much is obvious. Infact its a large (arguably the main) reason FOR the pay gap in the first place. And part of the reason I do not really feel the paygap is as big of a problem as its made out to be. Smaller reasons are at -play..it IS harder for a woman to rise to the top of her career...but I cannot see this affecting the pay gap as much as parenthood.

Also truth...you make out men are so hard done by on the subject of kids/divorces. Yet if we accept that men (typically) chose to keep working while the woman leaves work when they BOTH decide to have kids, does it not make sense for the main carer who gave up their own career (in most cases the mother) gets the house and such? When men are the stay at home parents, in the event of a divorce the man will get the house and maintenance too, its down to custody not sex...Also as far as I am aware, money paid is for the kids not the parent. In America I believe this is different, but not here.

[Vicky.]

Also in the event of a couple having kids, the man keeping working and the woman staying home...it is extremely unlikely that anyone gets 'a hell of a lot of benefits'. But for the sake of argument...Child benefit is for the family and not everyone gets this. Housing benefit would benefit the man also, but is unlikely in the case of the man working fulltime and getting a half decent wage. Income support...not likely at all if the man is working fulltime.

[Withano]

Christ, good thing the march happened. I had no idea people had the views some members are expressing. Looks like theres still a long way to go. But opening a discussion with some of the deep-rooted mindsets above is progress.

I think discrimination is just difficult to undrstand when you have never experienced it. Straight cisgendered white able-bodied males will be difficult to convince unless they have an enducation or the time to research inequality independently. We just got to wait for that day, theres not much point debating an unchangeable mindset.

[Vicky.]

Christ, good thing the march happened. I had no idea people had the views some members are expressing. Looks like theres still a long way to go. But opening a discussion with some of the deep-rooted mindsets above is progress.

I think discrimination is just difficult to undrstand when you have never experienced it. Straight cisgendered white able-bodied males will be difficult to convince unless they have an enducation or the time to research inequality independently. We just got to wait for that day, theres not much point debating an unchangeable mindset.

The most discriminated against group of all..evidently.

[Withano]

The most discriminated against group of all..evidently.

It seems satire, but I've been on the site long enough to know its not!

[jaxie]

What you're not getting is, this march was an international day of solidarity. It wasn't just about Trump. It was used on the day of his Inauguration because Trump, our new leader of the world, is the new face misogyny. This march was about female repression the world over.

Why do so many threads get turned back towards Muslims? its like an obsession.

I respect you and like you Red but you aren't getting the point of what I said I think. You just cherry picked muslims from the whole. :shrug:

What I said wasn't about muslims, it was about countries who repress their women on a large scale. It is sadly impossible to speak about this without including muslim countries because that is where it's at and the two countries I mentioned aren't the only ones. That doesn't mean it should be something we don't talk about. Everyone who commented on my post completely missed the mention of China in their rush to defend muslims. This happens every t8ime this subject comes up and frankly it scares me that people are so blind and accepting because it's faith related oppression of women.

[jaxie]

I disagree completely.

I think the (rather random) Muslim statements don't serve a point other than to shut down the conversation. Just because some women are repressed in some parts of the world doesn't mean we can't discuss issues facing women in our part of the world. One issue doesn't cancel out another.

Trump's election and Brexit showed that both the UK and the US are sliding towards extremism. The Women's March is as relevant to the UK as it is to the US although it's more pre-emptive here but still important as our Media and government rely on scapegoats and anyone who isn't the preferred demographic will be targeted eventually.

Trump's administration brings with it the threat of the end of Planned Parenthood, stricter abortion laws and the continued presence of a gender based wage gap. The march is relevant and important.

Oh ok, we're cherry picking what we disapprove of. I get it.

[DemolitionRed]

I respect you and like you Red but you aren't getting the point of what I said I think. You just cherry picked muslims from the whole. :shrug:

What I said wasn't about muslims, it was about countries who repress their women on a large scale. It is sadly impossible to speak about this without including muslim countries because that is where it's at and the two countries I mentioned aren't the only ones. That doesn't mean it should be something we don't talk about. Everyone who commented on my post completely missed the mention of China in their rush to defend muslims. This happens every t8ime this subject comes up and frankly it scares me that people are so blind and accepting because it's faith related oppression of women.

My response wasn't actually to you Jaxie. I did read your post but because you wrote about Iranian baby girls being murdered, I felt I couldn't answer you directly.... I was responding to the posts that followed yours.

The Muslim/Chinese/Iranian women is a digression from the topic.
...Its like this... A few years back I was part of a protest to stop farm animals and horses being transported to abattoirs overseas, on the hoof.

You could point a finger at me and say, "If I can protest to stop animals being transported live, why don't I protest to stop cruelty that often goes on in Hahal abattoirs?

The answer is, I've done that too but they were two different protests and so two different discussions.

[Tom4784]

Oh ok, we're cherry picking what we disapprove of. I get it.

Not at all, I'd advise you read my post again since you seemed to have completely missed the point of it.

[Tom4784]

Nice try to avoid the FACTS which you cannot possibly argue with lol Nothing you just typed made any sense , it was embarassing and og so predictable and transparent. You 100% ignored exactly what I was saying deliberately. A typically disingenuous feminist reply:nono: You have lost this argument very badly

You don't deal in facts, you deal in delusions.

[Ronald.]

Some good and interesting points and comments made in this thread. R.

[Kizzy]

Oh ok, we're cherry picking what we disapprove of. I get it.

Nope.. we have rights, we in the first world campaigned, fought, died, protested, and legislated for rights why then would the trampling of those in our culture be cherry picking?
Other cultures in the developing world have differing issues to face. Those are the facts as they stand.

We have rights... we should like to keep them. There is nothing wrong with voicing this is there?

[Brother Leon]

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[Kizzy]

It's not a case of if you protest one issue you automatically become a professional protester who attends any and all protests :/

This logic isn't just fuzzy, it's shag pile... Did you like that?....I just made it up ... just then.

#imnotaregularmom

[the truth]

You don't deal in facts, you deal in delusions.

I deal in facts you are dealing in shameful personal attacks :nono:

[Niamh.]

Best Sign of the Protest?

https://scontent-frt3-1.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/p720x720/16265440_10210541915538224_1263396836951275709_n.j pg?oh=191b10131f8808a0da04b92b991e546c&oe=5922BF11

[y.winter]

Best Sign of the Protest?

https://scontent-frt3-1.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/p720x720/16265440_10210541915538224_1263396836951275709_n.j pg?oh=191b10131f8808a0da04b92b991e546c&oe=5922BF11

I'll see you and raise you :laugh:
https://uploadir.com/u/br4xqvpj

[Braden]

Ugh, I wish I went to one of the marches :(

[Crimson Dynamo]

823217804916695040

:joker:

[Crimson Dynamo]

https://thechive.files.wordpress.com/2013/04/funny-protest-signs-24.jpg?quality=85&strip=info&w=500

[Crimson Dynamo]

Ugh, I wish I went to one of the marches :(

How did you get on at the one about the immigrant sex attacks in Germany caused by Merkels open door policy?

[Braden]

How did you get on at the one about the immigrant sex attacks in Germany caused by Merkels open door policy?

I don't understand how this refers to my statement.

Those attacks were awful, but if I were to march at one of these events it's because I want revel in the cause for women's rights and justice. I haven't said anything in regard to Angela Merkel or other political issues prior to my first comment.

[Crimson Dynamo]

I don't understand how this refers to my statement.

Those attacks were awful, but if I were to march at one of these events it's because I want revel in the cause for women's rights and justice. I haven't said anything in regard to Angela Merkel or other political issues prior to my first comment.


So you go on anti muslim marches etc?

[Niamh.]

So you go on anti muslim marches etc?

Why do you have to go on all the marches to make going to a particular one valid? That's a ridiculous suggestion

[Braden]

So you go on anti muslim marches etc?

Again, I don't know how this refers to my initial statement.

[Tom4784]

Why do you have to go on all the marches to make going to a particular one valid? That's a ridiculous suggestion

It's a weak tactic to try to invalidate the marches because there's no real counter argument to be made to them.

[Crimson Dynamo]

Why do you have to go on all the marches to make going to a particular one valid? That's a ridiculous suggestion

who says anyone has to go to marches, I am just curious why this particular "trendy American celebrity" march seems so attractive

:rolleyes:

[Tom4784]

who says anyone has to go to marches, I am just curious why this particular "trendy American celebrity" march seems so attractive

:rolleyes:

More attempts to downplay the marches without actually offering any points in return. Very desperate.

[Crimson Dynamo]

More attempts to downplay the marches without actually offering any points in return. Very desperate.

I dont need to downplay them as they did that themselves

They showed the people up for the astonishing hypocrites they are


Just a pity probably half of them did not vote

oh the irony

:joker:

[Brother Leon]

https://www.thesun.co.uk/wp-content/uploads/2017/01/nintchdbpict000296097922.jpg?strip=all&w=960

I see "Dem nominee favourite" Cory Booker has been all over the photo ops when attending the March and been mingling with all the celebs there. I swear if it's the usual establishment, lobbyist candidate then they deserve to lose to Trump again. Learn from your damn mistakes ffs.

[Tom4784]

I dont need to downplay them as they did that themselves

They showed the people up for the astonishing hypocrites they are


Just a pity probably half of them did not vote

oh the irony

:joker:

So, still got nothing to add apart from being triggered?

[Crimson Dynamo]

https://pbs.twimg.com/profile_images/1980294624/DJT_Headshot_V2_bigger.jpg
Donald J. Trump ‏@realDonaldTrump Jan 22

Peaceful protests are a hallmark of our democracy. Even if I don't always agree, I recognize the rights of people to express their views.

:clap1:

Potus showing immense presidential style and leadership as he dismisses the protests and gets to work making America great again

Will be meeting at 9:00 with top automobile executives concerning jobs in America. I want new plants to be built here for cars sold here!


Jobs and growth not sore losers

:clap1:

No one can say that so far he has been an amazing President

take that haterz

[Tom4784]

https://pbs.twimg.com/profile_images/1980294624/DJT_Headshot_V2_bigger.jpg
Donald J. Trump ‏@realDonaldTrump Jan 22

Peaceful protests are a hallmark of our democracy. Even if I don't always agree, I recognize the rights of people to express their views.

:clap1:

Potus showing immense presidential style and leadership as he dismisses the protests and gets to work making America great again

Will be meeting at 9:00 with top automobile executives concerning jobs in America. I want new plants to be built here for cars sold here!


Jobs and growth not sore losers

:clap1:

No one can say that so far he has been an amazing President

take that haterz

Deflection is it now?

[Braden]

who says anyone has to go to marches, I am just curious why this particular "trendy American celebrity" march seems so attractive

:rolleyes:

Well, I wouldn't go just because it may be a "trendy American celebrity" march. The reason why I want to physically be part of the cause is because I haven't been to any parade of this sort, and they unify a signifcant number of people who all believe and support the same issue of (in this case) women's rights.

I'm part of a different political view from you, so these parades are a positive thing imo.

[Crimson Dynamo]

Well, I wouldn't go just because it may be a "trendy American celebrity" march. The reason why I want to physically be part of the cause is because I haven't been to any parade of this sort, and they unify a signifcant number of people who all believe and support the same issue of (in this case) women's rights.

I'm part of a different political view from you, so these parades are a positive thing imo.

What womens rights are being denied?

[Withano]

https://pbs.twimg.com/profile_images/1980294624/DJT_Headshot_V2_bigger.jpg
Donald J. Trump ‏@realDonaldTrump Jan 22

Peaceful protests are a hallmark of our democracy. Even if I don't always agree, I recognize the rights of people to express their views.

:clap1:

Potus showing immense presidential style and leadership as he dismisses the protests and gets to work making America great again

Will be meeting at 9:00 with top automobile executives concerning jobs in America. I want new plants to be built here for cars sold here!


Jobs and growth not sore losers

:clap1:

No one can say that so far he has been an amazing President

take that haterz

Is it difficult screening out certain articles, or does it come naturally after a while.

[arista]

{I'm part of a different political view from you, so these parades are a positive thing imo. }

Thats Good Braden

So long as you
follow the Law of the Land


LT and Myself
are not bothered

[Braden]

What womens rights are being denied?

Well it depends what reason a particular person has in their mind. You can't say that equality for women is projected on a global scale. People march for the women who can't march, women may be marching because they have been sexually mistreated in the past, women march for equal pay.

[Withano]

LT and Myself
are not bothered

LT seems very bothered, and actually a bit confused. Not sure if he'd appreciated these lies you're saying about him.

[arista]

LT seems very bothered, and actually a bit confused. Not sure if he'd appreciated these lies you're saying about him.


Do not be silly

Trump is the Legit USA President
LT follows good things,

You can play games with LT
Fact

[Withano]

Do not be silly

Trump is the Legit USA President
LT follows good things,

You can play games with LT
Fact

Trump is legit president yes

This is a thread on a womens march, where LT seems very confused. It certainly bothers him, and your post stated that it didn't... Just not sure if LT would appeciate lies being said about him.

[arista]

Dezzy
Day 2 President Trump
Making America Great Again.

That World march was Trump in USA
but Down Under it was about
Womens Rights more than Trump.

You are fools if you think Trump
cares about Left Wing Nut Jobs like Madonna


He is busy getting USA business back to America
JOBS MATTER

[Tom4784]

What womens rights are being denied?

The anti-abortion advice law that Trump signed as basically a declaration of intent. He wants to deny women the choice of what happens to their own bodies.

We don't even need to get into the wage gap and general inequalities between the sexes.

[arista]

Trump is legit president yes

This is a thread on a womens march, where LT seems very confused. It certainly bothers him, and your post stated that it didn't... Just not sure if LT would appeciate lies being said about him.


He can Tell me off. then


LT is Never
Ever Confused
Fact.

[arista]

"He wants to deny women the choice of what happens to their own bodies. "


Yes Dezzy its some kind of Church thing
Alot important voters in fact.


Dezzy are you aware
that some states will not follow this rule????

[the truth]

The anti-abortion advice law that Trump signed as basically a declaration of intent. He wants to deny women the choice of what happens to their own bodies.

We don't even need to get into the wage gap and general inequalities between the sexes.

There is no wage gap that is a lie. the law states clearly if a man and a woman do the identical job in the same part of the country it is unlawful to pay any different and the person can sue for damages.

There are vast inequalities against men in favour of women in western society I agree. Women have way more spedning power, women live 5 years longer, women get 50% more spent on womens health, women get the homes, the children in over 80% of divorces and women commit suicide at over 4 times lower rate than men.

lastly hes not forcing women to do anything, that is a lie. he is merely giving the unborn babies a better chance of a life. the life of the child is just as important as that of the mother

[Tom4784]

There is no wage gap that is a lie. the law states clearly if a man and a woman do the identical job in the same part of the country it is unlawful to pay any different and the person can sue for damages.

There are vast inequalities against men in favour of women in western society I agree. Women have way more spedning power, women live 5 years longer, women get 50% more spent on womens health, women get the homes, the children in over 80% of divorces and women commit suicide at over 4 times lower rate than men.

lastly hes not forcing women to do anything, that is a lie. he is merely giving the unborn babies a better chance of a life. the life of the child is just as important as that of the mother

Why are you so desperate to be a victim?

[the truth]

Why are you so desperate to be a victim?

No I deal in facts. You want to be the victim.

[Braden]

{I'm part of a different political view from you, so these parades are a positive thing imo. }

Thats Good Braden

So long as you
follow the Law of the Land


LT and Myself
are not bothered

Well, I haven't been incarcerated yet, arista :p

[Tom4784]

No I deal in facts. You want to be the victim.

Fact
fakt/Submit
noun
plural noun: facts
a thing that is known or proved to be true.
"the most commonly known fact about hedgehogs is that they have fleas"
synonyms: reality, actuality, certainty, factuality, certitude; More
information used as evidence or as part of a report or news article.
"even the most inventive journalism peters out without facts, and in this case there were no facts"
synonyms: detail, piece of information, particular, item, specific, element, point, factor, feature, characteristic, respect, ingredient, attribute, circumstance, consideration, aspect, facet; More
used to refer to a particular situation under discussion.
noun: the fact that
"despite the fact that I'm so tired, sleep is elusive"

Nope, that word doesn't seem to apply to anything you have to say.

[Crimson Dynamo]

The anti-abortion advice law that Trump signed as basically a declaration of intent. He wants to deny women the choice of what happens to their own bodies.

We don't even need to get into the wage gap and general inequalities between the sexes.

so you believe that is what they are marching about?

ok

:hee:

[Tom4784]

so you believe that is what they are marching about?

ok

:hee:

You should try actually making a point, snowflake.

[Crimson Dynamo]

You should try actually making a point, snowflake.

less of the personal comments please

[Tom4784]

less of the personal comments please

You call people Snowflakes all the time, are you saying that it's an insult that you are also guilty of using?

[longstar]

the women who march, are the type who don't want equality. and they have deep issues with males, they hate everything that is male and manly, they only want special treatment for being female, many in the march thought that Hillary should of won because she is a woman, that does not win you an election. its the same with the office dress code row, what is it that women really want, and its having all the cake and eating it, they want everything but, for the men its you can only have what we say you can have, that's what today's younger women think of the definition of equality, pot kettle black.

[Niamh.]

the women who march, are the type who don't want equality. and they have deep issues with males, they hate everything that is male and manly, they only want special treatment for being female, many in the march thought that Hillary should of won because she is a woman, that does not win you an election. its the same with the office dress code row, what is it that women really want, and its having all the cake and eating it, they want everything but, for the men its you can only have what we say you can have, that's what today's younger women think of the definition of equality, pot kettle black.
How on Earth do you know what type of women march? There were plenty of men marching too btw

[the truth]

the women who march, are the type who don't want equality. and they have deep issues with males, they hate everything that is male and manly, they only want special treatment for being female, many in the march thought that Hillary should of won because she is a woman, that does not win you an election. its the same with the office dress code row, what is it that women really want, and its having all the cake and eating it, they want everything but, for the men its you can only have what we say you can have, that's what today's younger women think of the definition of equality, pot kettle black.

absolutely spot on

[Vicky.]

How on Earth do you know what type of women march? There were plenty of men marching too btw

:laugh:

[Tom4784]

the women who march, are the type who don't want equality. and they have deep issues with males, they hate everything that is male and manly, they only want special treatment for being female, many in the march thought that Hillary should of won because she is a woman, that does not win you an election. its the same with the office dress code row, what is it that women really want, and its having all the cake and eating it, they want everything but, for the men its you can only have what we say you can have, that's what today's younger women think of the definition of equality, pot kettle black.

If you can't tell the difference between feminism and misandry then I pity you.

[Marsh.]

the women who march, are the type who don't want equality. and they have deep issues with males, they hate everything that is male and manly, they only want special treatment for being female, many in the march thought that Hillary should of won because she is a woman, that does not win you an election. its the same with the office dress code row, what is it that women really want, and its having all the cake and eating it, they want everything but, for the men its you can only have what we say you can have, that's what today's younger women think of the definition of equality, pot kettle black.

:unsure: Is this real?

Please tell me it's a parody?

[Northern Monkey]

rccJRR9qrgY

[DemolitionRed]

Ah, that old bat Widdecombe; the same woman who believes gayness is curable!

[Crimson Dynamo]

the state of these idiot women chanting in a library :umm2:

being owned by a random asian guy

beautiful

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-4158708/Student-silences-protesters-library.html

[Northern Monkey]

the state of these idiot women chanting in a library :umm2:

being owned by a random asian guy

beautiful

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-4158708/Student-silences-protesters-library.html

"Who's got the power?!" The library guy:laugh:

Racist anti Trump protesters -

'The protesters are stunned into silence for several moments, though a few feebly call out insults, including one woman who seems to ask if he's going to go back to Beijing. The man turns and leaves.'

[Vicky.]

https://storify.com/katanaoflogic/trans-activists-womens-March

Apparently the marches were also 'cissexist'. As biology is not allowed to exist according to some crazies.

Apologies for resurrecting this mess of a thread but I have just had a laugh at some of these idiots as this page was posted on my Facebook feed. What a crock :D

Congratulations #womensmarch protesters! You're all "TERFs" now.

Are all the vagina signs a micro-aggression on trans women with penises? Are they not real women? #WomensMarch is SO transphobic. https://twitter.com/problemselzzup/status/822894975503343616 …

it really annoys me to see so many signs at #WomensMarch with uterus's and statements involving vaginas
it's so transphobic and exclusive :/

Really? :joker: Sorry to inform you, but females do exist, and are largely discriminated against (worldwide) BECAUSE of their biology, so **** off with your pretending biology isn't relevant and you are more oppressed..as a male..than females. Self centred bollocks (pardon the pun)