Donald Trump signs anti-abortion advice law surrounded by men

[Niamh.]

in one of his first acts as President.........


Welcome to the 1920's :worry:


Donald Trump today banned the US government from giving funding to health groups that offer abortion counselling.

The President signed an order reinstating the “global gag rule”, which denies US foreign aid to groups who "perform or actively promote" terminations.

He was photographed signing the bill in the Oval Office, flanked by eight members of his staff, all of whom are men.

Vice President and anti-abortion campaigner Mike Pence, chief of staff Reince Priebus, his son-in-law Jared Kushner and top advisor and former far-right website owner Steve Bannon were all present.

There did not appear to be any women present for the signing.

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http://www.irishmirror.ie/news/donald-trump-signs-anti-abortion-9680191?service=responsive

[joeysteele]

Shocking.

[the truth]

lets hope it allows more innocent harmless healthy babies the chance to live their lives

[Niamh.]

lets hope it allows more innocent harmless healthy babies the chance to live their lives

Innocent harmless healthy babies don't form until well into a pregnancy, before that it's alot of cells. Women should have control over their bodies not be told what they can and can't do by a bunch of old men

[Withano]

The guys just an idiot. Hes ancient, old fashioned, and honestly thick. And so is anybody who agrees this was a great move by a great man. One week in and America is fifty years back.
I was more than prepared to give him a chance, I cant help but think its going to get even worse, this man is stupid.

[the truth]

Innocent harmless healthy babies don't form until well into a pregnancy, before that it's alot of cells. Women should have control over their bodies not be told what they can and can't do by a bunch of old men

Thats a sexist ageist post:nono: This is about the rights of babies to live a live, millions of them. If the mother is healthy and hasnt been raped then the rights of the unborn baby is more important than the mother

[Niamh.]

Thats a sexist ageist post:nono: This is about the rights of babies to live a live, millions of them. If the mother is healthy and hasnt been raped then the rights of the unborn baby is more important than the mother

So if you think abortion is murder, I mean truly believe that then why is it ok to murder a baby if the woman was raped?

[Withano]

lets hope it allows more innocent harmless healthy babies the chance to live their lives

Your acting as if the abortion is the beginning of the problem. Kind of like how a 5 year old might see it. Perhaps dive into a few minutes of critical thinking before your next post.
Rape is often a problem. Men need to stop that. Pay divide, health concerns, the list is honestly endless.
Each case is different, the problem never starts with abortion and blame should never be put there unless youre a 5 year old with a very basic outlook on the world around you. its the things that lead up to the abortion.
Donald Trump thinks this way because he hasnt had an education for 50 odd years. This is the first of many lessons to come about why we shouldnt put an underqualified man in charge, his competitors would have had experience in researching and debating this topic. The majority would come to the same conclusion that fits in with modern society. Donald did not.
Donald hasnt had an education in 50 years, a 5 year old has barely ever been educated. What is your excuse?

[Kizzy]

So if you think abortion is murder, I mean truly believe that then why is it ok to murder a baby if the woman was raped?

That would be an ecumenical matter!!

In all seriousness, this man is truly on a path of destruction and we have a front row seat, I was discussing on another thread about long fought for rights, this man with one swipe of a pen has rendered those rights null and void.
The question is, what's next?...

[Niamh.]

That would be an ecumenical matter!!

In all seriousness, this man is truly on a path of destruction and we have a front row seat, I was discussing on another thread about long fought for rights, this man with one swipe of a pen has rendered those rights null and void.
The question is, what's next?...

mmhhmm, it's a scary time in the world. It still baffles me how any woman could have ever voted for such a sexist dinosaur like him

[y.winter]

In other news: MTV has renewed Teen Mom for four more seasons.

Good luck to America...

[Niamh.]

In other news: MTV has renewed Teen Mom for four more seasons.

Good luck to America...

Maybe he's got a stake in that show or something :think:

[the truth]

Delighted tens of millions of innocent unborn babies will now get a better chance to live. Amazed some here don't see it from their point of view? Women and men, need to be better educated, need better support , need better access to contraception, need better advice and time and options such as having their baby fostered or adopted. Parents who have abortions for reasons other than rape, incest or health risks, often say they regret having their baby killed , for the rest of their lives. Give more support, more knowledge, more time, more education, more options, no doubt they would in many cases allow the baby a chance to live. Lets hope that is the end result of this move by trump. Put more money into supporting the babies being allowed to live. Thats the truly humane thing to do.

[Niamh.]

So if you think abortion is murder, I mean truly believe that then why is it ok to murder a baby if the woman was raped?

delighted tens of millions of innocebt unborn babies will now get a better chance to live. amazed some hete don't see it from their point of view

ehem?

[Kizzy]

mmhhmm, it's a scary time in the world. It still baffles me how any woman could have ever voted for such a sexist dinosaur like him

Me too, mind you the recent media spotlight on consent here is worrying... there have been a lot of polls and discussions on chat shows about whether women who drink are at fault if they are assaulted, or if the way women dress could be a green light to a potential abuser...
An ill wind is blowing.

[Niamh.]

Me too, mind you the recent media spotlight on consent here is worrying... there have been a lot of polls and discussions on chat shows about whether women who drink are at fault if they are assaulted, or if the way women dress could be a green light to a potential abuser...
An ill wind is blowing.

yup like I said welcome to the 1920's

[Tom4784]

Any woman that supports Trump has no self respect.

[Alf]

He's not stopping abortion, he's just saying you have to pay for it yourself, instead of everyone else paying for you.

[Ronald.]

Niamh very good posts I agree. R.

[Niamh.]

He's not stopping abortion, he's just saying you have to pay for it yourself, instead of everyone else paying for you.

small steps I think, it'll end up costing the tax payer more I reckon when they end up having to support single teenage parents instead....although maybe he'll get some workhouses open to take care of that?

[Niamh.]

Niamh very good posts I agree. R.

Thank You Ronald Rogers

[arista]

Shocking.

Not For USA


There will be some states that will
ignore this new rule

[the truth]

Any woman that supports Trump has no self respect.

That statement is divisive and sexist and anti democratic :nono:53% of white women voted trump, over 40% of all women voted trump. american women are smart, they know he will do an infinitely better job with the economy and trade which in turn will help everyone, men and women.

[the truth]

small steps I think, it'll end up costing the tax payer more I reckon when they end up having to support single teenage parents instead....although maybe he'll get some workhouses open to take care of that?

since when do liberals care about tax payers money? everytime they run a country the economy goes bankrupt

[arista]

He's not stopping abortion, he's just saying you have to pay for it yourself, instead of everyone else paying for you.


Thank you Alf
FACTS at last

[Niamh.]

So if you think abortion is murder, I mean truly believe that then why is it ok to murder a baby if the woman was raped?

since when do liberals care about tax payers money? everyone they run a country the economy goes bankrupt

.

[Tom4784]

That statement is divisive and sexist and anti democratic :nono:53% of white women voted trump, over 40% of all women voted trump. american women are smart, they know he will do an infinitely better job with the economy and trade which in turn will help everyone, men and women.

Anyone that supports someone that is trying to strangle their rights is a ****ing idiot.

No self respecting woman should ever support Trump. It'd be like me supporting a candidate that wants to destroy LGBT rights.

[arista]

Any woman that supports Trump has no self respect.


You do not get it.


Those Women that voted trump
want jobs for their husband's , again.


And the Jobs are Returning To America


Feck Mexico.


Life Is To Short.

[Niamh.]

You do not get it.


Those Women that voted trump
want jobs for their husband's , again.


And the Jobs are Returning To America


Feck Mexico.


Life Is To Short.

For their husbands is it, while they make the dinner and iron his shirts? aaahhh it's clear now Arista :laugh:

[the truth]

Anyone that supports someone that is trying to strangle their rights is a ****ing idiot.

No self respecting woman should ever support Trump. It'd be like me supporting a candidate that wants to destroy LGBT rights.

your filthy language says more about you than anyone else.
Your abuse of 53% of all american women is a disgrace and totally anti democratic and your hate for trump is totally misplaced and built on your total misunderstanding of what he is about

[Amy Jade]

I don't understand how anyone can support this?

It's far better to let the woman carrying decide to terminate a pregnancy rather than give birth to an unwanted child and give it up to suffer being unloved in the care system? Also I saw somebody bring up rape, what happens if say a young woman is raped and decided she obviously wants a termination but can't afford it? Should she just suffer for 9 months on top of the trauma of being raped?

[Tom4784]

your filthy language says more about you than anyone else.
Your abuse of 53% of all american women is a disgrace and totally anti democratic and your hate for trump is totally misplaced and built on your total misunderstanding of what he is about

I understand him perfectly, you're the one drinking the cool aid because you have a rampant victim complex and a worrying lack of empathy for anyone who isn't a straight white man.

[the truth]

I don't understand how anyone can support this?

It's far better to let the woman carrying decide to terminate a pregnancy rather than give birth to an unwanted child and give it up to suffer being unloved in the care system? Also I saw somebody bring up rape, what happens if say a young woman is raped and decided she obviously wants a termination but can't afford it? Should she just suffer for 9 months on top of the trauma of being raped?

far better to kill a baby than allow it a chance to live? thats insane feminazi propoganda

[the truth]

I understand him perfectly, you're the one drinking the cool aid because you have a rampant victim complex and a worrying lack of empathy for anyone who isn't a straight white man.

You have a rampant victim complex based on male hate and lies

[Niamh.]

far better to kill a baby than allow it a chance to live? thats insane feminazi propoganda

Why is it ok to kill a baby who is the product of rape though? Surely there's never an ok time to murder a baby? :think:

[lime]

It has been a laugh listening to him during his campaign...his followers said "give him a chance" "he is not president yet"


Now he is president....He comes across as the biggest snowflake of all time..throwing a tantrum because more kids went to the other guys party,,,,Following this news...it's no longer funny...:worry:

[Niamh.]

It has been a laugh listening to him during his campaign...his followers said "give him a chance" "he is not president yet"


Now he is president....He comes across as the biggest snowflake of all time..throwing a tantrum because more kids went to the other guys party,,,,Following this news...it's no longer funny...:worry:

Indeed Lime, He's easily triggered is The Donald :hehe:

[Tom4784]

far better to kill a baby than allow it a chance to live? thats insane feminazi propoganda

A pile of amorphous cells is classed as a human now? Do you believe that clipping your nails is also an act of murder or is it only certain cells that you say are worthy of being classed as human?

[Tom4784]

You have a rampant victim complex based on male hate and lies

You have never known prejudice, you will never know prejudice.

The fact you are basically saying 'I know you are but what am I?' shows how completely immature and out of touch you are with the world.

[Amy Jade]

far better to kill a baby than allow it a chance to live? thats insane feminazi propoganda

It's not a baby when you are allowed to abort. Just cells.

[Glenn.]

Um bye we were all thinking it

[LukeB]

Why is it ok to kill a baby who is the product of rape though? Surely there's never an ok time to murder a baby? :think:

pretty much this. it's not ok at all.

[Niamh.]

Um bye we were all thinking it

sshhhh :fan:

[Glenn.]

sshhhh :fan:

:hehe:

[Crimson Dynamo]

that is religion for you

[smudgie]

Just one thing, it would not matter who won as a republican, the first thing they would do is just this.
Not a Trump fan, but it is a Republican thing.:shrug:

[lime]

For their husbands is it, while they make the dinner and iron his shirts? aaahhh it's clear now Arista :laugh:


Of course Niamh...under donalds regime..no self respecting woman would want a job:sad:

[the truth]

You have never known prejudice, you will never know prejudice.

The fact you are basically saying 'I know you are but what am I?' shows how completely immature and out of touch you are with the world.

lol you know nothing about me or whether Ive experienced prejudice lol so ignorant of you to presume such a thing and of course your presumption is itself prejudicial

[MB.]

53% of white women voted trump

53% of all american women

Funny how quickly 'facts' can change, isn't it?

[Crimson Dynamo]

Just one thing, it would not matter who won as a republican, the first thing they would do is just this.
Not a Trump fan, but it is a Republican thing.:shrug:

shhhhh smudgie

let them hate on a person and feel good about themselves

:smug:

[the truth]

shhhhh smudgie

let them hate on a person and feel good about themselves

:smug:

lets take the hate away from the unborn babies and let them live

[Niamh.]

Why is it ok to kill a baby who is the product of rape though? Surely there's never an ok time to murder a baby? :think:

lets take the hate away from the unborn babies and let them live

.

[Crimson Dynamo]

in one of his first acts as President.........


Welcome to the 1920's :worry:


Donald Trump today banned the US government from giving funding to health groups that offer abortion counselling.

The President signed an order reinstating the “global gag rule”, which denies US foreign aid to groups who "perform or actively promote" terminations.

He was photographed signing the bill in the Oval Office, flanked by eight members of his staff, all of whom are men.

Vice President and anti-abortion campaigner Mike Pence, chief of staff Reince Priebus, his son-in-law Jared Kushner and top advisor and former far-right website owner Steve Bannon were all present.

There did not appear to be any women present for the signing.

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http://www.irishmirror.ie/news/donald-trump-signs-anti-abortion-9680191?service=responsive

There did not appear to be any women present for the signing.

and?

[Niamh.]

There did not appear to be any women present for the signing.

and?

Would be nice having a female there since they're making decisions that involve women and their bodies. I find it offensive and draconian infact

[DemolitionRed]

Delighted tens of millions of innocent unborn babies will now get a better chance to live. Amazed some here don't see it from their point of view?

No they won't. Abortion is a huge problem in countries that don’t legally offer them. Back street abortions are not the way forward but if that’s the only affordable option, women will use them. Complications with back street abortions are; women die, the fetus survives but will normally be brain damaged and late abortions are much more common... the fetus really is a viable baby when its wrenched from the womb.


Women and men, need to be better educated, need better support , need better access to contraception, need better advice and time and options such as having their baby fostered or adopted.

Whilst I don't agree with using abortion as a contraceptive, you surely grasp that many thousands of contraceptive clinics will close down and so that much needed advice may not be available.

[Niamh.]

Did anyone even read the first post? Abortion hasn't been banned at all, just support for people going through it. People are gonna do it anyway but many will be alone and unsupported through the process.

Yes Jessica I have read it

[Crimson Dynamo]

Would be nice having a female there since they're making decisions that involve women and their bodies. I find it offensive and draconian infact

men make babies too, it matters not what sex they are it matters if they can do a job for AMerica

[MB.]

But men don't have abortions

[Crimson Dynamo]

But men don't have abortions

they perform them but its irrelevant when it comes to law making - best person for the job should always win.

[MB.]

Yes, the most important people when it comes to abortions are the brave men who perform them

I give up

[Crimson Dynamo]

So women don't perform them? :umm2:

did i say that?

[Greg!]

Indefensible. A PATHETIC excuse of a man, along with that twat Mike Pence

[Crimson Dynamo]

Yes, the most important people when it comes to abortions are the brave men who perform them

I give up
Sorry you have lost me, you seem to be discussing a different thread:shrug:

I am talking about why do we need women to make policy it should be the best person for the job man or women. Neem seemed to think it should be women only in this case

[Amy Jade]

Sorry you have lost me, you seem to be discussing a different thread:shrug:

I am talking about why do we need women to make policy it should be the best person for the job man or women. Neem seemed to think it should be women only in this case

Niamh never said it should be women only.

[Greg!]

Sorry you have lost me, you seem to be discussing a different thread:shrug:

I am talking about why do we need women to make policy it should be the best person for the job man or women. Neem seemed to think it should be women only in this case

Surely even you can see how ridiculous it is for loads men to sign in a law telling women what they can and cannot do with their bodies, even though they will never know what it's like to have an unwanted pregnancy or have an abortion

[Crimson Dynamo]

Surely even you can see how ridiculous it is for loads men to sign in a law telling women what they can and cannot do with their bodies, even though they will never know what it's like to have an unwanted pregnancy or have an abortion

No because I know the religious make-up and history of America. Its ridiculous to judge them based on our country as seems to be the case here?

[Ross.]

Funny how quickly 'facts' can change, isn't it?

:joker:

[Greg!]

No because I know the religious make-up and history of America. Its ridiculous to judge them based on our country as seems to be the case here?

Not bothered about the religious history of America, doesn't change the fact that this law is an absolute joke and a disgrace along with other anti abortion laws around the world

[Jamie89]

Welcome to the 1920's :worry:

Indeed :worry:

It's not much of a surprise though, didn't he make comments about wanting to punish women for having abortions, and given the people he's surrounded himself with :worry:

Just one thing, it would not matter who won as a republican, the first thing they would do is just this.
Not a Trump fan, but it is a Republican thing.:shrug:

He's the man in charge though and the one signing the paper so if people feel it's worthy of criticism it's fair enough to point that at him. If it was someone else I'd be criticizing them instead.

[Alf]

Surely even you can see how ridiculous it is for loads men to sign in a law telling women what they can and cannot do with their bodies, even though they will never know what it's like to have an unwanted pregnancy or have an abortionWell that hasn't happened, so what are you fussing about?

Women can have abortions, but if they want them, then they can pay for them themselves. They're getting to be responsible for themselves.

Why should a tax-payer, who has no children, and get's no financial help for having no children, have to pay for other peoples mistakes?

[DemolitionRed]

This is so fcuked up
I don't mean Trump and his madness but the amount of English guys who support absolutely everything he does. Its like an unhealthy crush.

[Crimson Dynamo]

Not bothered about the religious history of America, doesn't change the fact that this law is an absolute joke and a disgrace along with other anti abortion laws around the world

as I have said, that is vile religion for you

[Alf]

This is so fcuked up
I don't mean Trump and his madness but the amount of English guys who support absolutely everything he does. Its like an unhealthy crush.Well tell us your objections to this policy, of taking away the funding for abortion?

Or would you rather play identity politics and make the story about no women being in the room?

[Crimson Dynamo]

This is so fcuked up
I don't mean Trump and his madness but the amount of English guys who support absolutely everything he does. Its like an unhealthy crush.

So people who dont share your views are f ucked up?

I love how people think they are so right about the world that they can only think that those who disagree with them are somehow deranged and there for fair game for personal abuse

@Withano@Dezzy and @DM

can you not see the irony?

you really could not make this up

[Scarlett.]

This is so fcuked up
I don't mean Trump and his madness but the amount of English guys who support absolutely everything he does. Its like an unhealthy crush.

I'm starting to think some members of this forum want Trump inside them, it's gotten so ridiculous.

[Jamie89]

Well that hasn't happened, so what are you fussing about?

Women can have abortions, but if they want them, then they can pay for them themselves. They're getting to be responsible for themselves.

Why should a tax-payer, who has no children, and get's no financial help for having no children, have to pay for other peoples mistakes?

The women who'll be most affected by this are women living in poor areas (outside America) who without the current abortion services available to them are at greater risk of unsafe abortions and maternal death. The organisations that the law targets won't even be allowed to discuss abortion or provide any kind of education to them so how is it in any way going to make them more 'responsible'?

[the truth]

The women who'll be most affected by this are women living in poor areas (outside America) who without the current abortion services available to them are at greater risk of unsafe abortions and maternal death. The organisations that the law targets won't even be allowed to discuss abortion or provide any kind of education to them so how is it in any way going to make them more 'responsible'?

the females most affected are those millions of innocent female babies who may now not be killed and may get a chance to life like the rest of us

[Alf]

The women who'll be most affected by this are women living in poor areas (outside America) who without the current abortion services available to them are at greater risk of unsafe abortions and maternal death. The organisations that the law targets won't even be allowed to discuss abortion or provide any kind of education to them so how is it in any way going to make them more 'responsible'?Fair question.

I'd say the deterrent of having to pay for yourself, would make you act more responsible. There are one or two forms of contraception.

[Northern Monkey]

I do think abortion should be funded but only before the point where the cells become a person i.e have limbs,can think and move around etc.Also there definitely has to be a limit on the number allowed.I know of someone who had five before they decided to keep one.Some women use them as contraception.Disgusting.

[Niamh.]

I do think abortion should be funded but only before the point where the cells become a person i.e have limbs,can think and move around etc.Also there definitely has to be a limit on the number allowed.I know of someone who had five before they decided to keep one.Some women use them as contraception.Disgusting.
I agree the time limit should be low unless for medical reasons

[Shaun]

Fair question.

I'd say the deterrent of having to pay for yourself, would make you act more responsible. There are one or two forms of contraception.

I suppose they have to be responsible for rape as well? Or ill health brought on by problematic pregnancies? And it's been proven that no form of contraception is 100% guaranteed, hasn't it?

[Jamie89]

Fair question.

I'd say the deterrent of having to pay for yourself, would make you act more responsible. There are one or two forms of contraception.

I don't think this is actually to do with abortions themselves though, unless I'm mistaken isn't the law just to do with abortion advisory services? Yes there's contraception but I think this law is going to impact women in areas of the world where contraception and education surrounding contraception isn't so readily available, and unwanted pregnancies are still going to happen regardless of that anyway, but taking advice and education about abortion away from those women is only going to have negative effects for them.

the females most affected are those millions of innocent female babies who may now not be killed and may get a chance to life like the rest of us

Unsafe abortions and maternal deaths will also result in those female babies dying. This isn't a ban on abortions it's a ban on information and education being given to women living in poverty.

[Alf]

I suppose they have to be responsible for rape as well? Or ill health brought on by problematic pregnancies? And it's been proven that no form of contraception is 100% guaranteed, hasn't it?Yes, they are things that would need to be looked into, however, and I don't know the facts, but I'd guess that those cases are not the ones that the majority of funding is going too.

[DemolitionRed]

So people who dont share your views are f ucked up?

I love how people think they are so right about the world that they can only think that those who disagree with them are somehow deranged and there for fair game for personal abuse

@Withano@Dezzy and @DM

can you not see the irony?

you really could not make this up

No, because its coming from a man who appears to lack a normal amount of empathy... but then I think you get a kick from being peverse.

[Livia]

I think that if men want a say in abortion, they should be required to be more responsible when a woman becomes pregnant. Seeing this decision made by a roomful of men makes it look like an archaic control thing.

[Crimson Dynamo]

are we somehow saying the decision to have an abortion is a women only one?

:umm2:

[Withano]

So people who dont share your views are f ucked up?

I love how people think they are so right about the world that they can only think that those who disagree with them are somehow deranged and there for fair game for personal abuse

@Withano@Dezzy and @DM

can you not see the irony?

you really could not make this up

1. I've barely talked in this thread, y u so obsessed with me
2. Stop being such a snowflake
3. Pc gone mad when we cant even talk about a world leader making backwards mistakes.

Classic Lt and the rest of the pc brigade being snowflakes.

[Crimson Dynamo]

1. I've barely talked in this thread, y u so obsessed with me
2. Stop being such a snowflake
3. Pc gone mad when we cant even talk about a world leader making backwards mistakes.

Classic Lt and the rest of the pc brigade being snowflakes.

again with the personal remarks :idc:

are you a dezzy sockpuppet because you sound very,very similar?

:think:

[Withano]

again with the personal remarks :idc:

are you a dezzy sockpuppet because you sound very,very similar?

:think:

I found your slander pretty personal and incredibly unwarranted. Dont give if you cant take. :idc:

[Livia]

are we somehow saying the decision to have an abortion is a women only one?

:umm2:

No, of course not.

Are we somehow saying the decision to have an abortion should be legislated by a room full of men?

[Livia]

Can a roomful of men... or indeed women... or a mixture of both, please legislate against the use of the term snowflake?

[Shaun]

Can a roomful of men... or indeed women... or a mixture of both, please legislate against the use of the term snowflake?

At least until the Flakes made with white chocolate on the inside are re-released by Cadburys anyway. Bloody lovely they were.

[Alf]

I heard the term 'Snowflake' comes from the film 'Fight club', is that true?

[Livia]

At least until the Flakes made with white chocolate on the inside are re-released by Cadburys anyway. Bloody lovely they were.

Mmmmm I could eat some of those right now.

I heard the term 'Snowflake' comes from the film 'Fight club', is that true?

Haven't seen it... I looked it up on Urban Dictionary. I'm so square.

[Withano]

Flakes (the chocolate bar) are also pretty fragile, maybe that word will do too when describing an easily triggered/upset/outraged individual.

[Livia]

Flakes (the chocolate bar) are also pretty fragile, maybe that word will do too when describing an easily triggered/upset/outraged individual.

Why don't you just debate your opinion and stop calling people silly names.

[Brillopad]

lets hope it allows more innocent harmless healthy babies the chance to live their lives

Who is going to look after them - you think people can force the mothers to do that too.

[Withano]

Why don't you just debate your opinion and stop calling people silly names.

Meh, it was in response to being told I was being personally abusive in a thread that I made one post :shrug: I'm sure I'm less fine with this complete lie than the other member is with being called snowflake. I'm sure its less of your concern than you like to think it is too.

Also, the background youve missed is that the original member popularised the term
But you seem comfortable enough on that high horse, so we'll move on.

[Livia]

Meh, it was in response to being told I was being personally abusive in a thread that I made one post :shrug: I'm sure I'm less fine with this complete lie than the other member is with being called snowflake. I'm sure its less of your concern than you like to think it is too.

Also, the background youve missed is that the original member popularised the term
But I'm sure youre comfortable enough on that high horse, so we'll move on.

Well, I'm not on a high horse. But I can understand that it might look like that from where you are.

See? We can go backwards and forwards with this all night. Tedious. I wasn't rude to you get you had to come back with an insult.

We're all pretty nice people on here, with strong opinions. Let's try to get on more. Because frankly, it's a pain in the arse to go into a thread and see everyone being so bitchy. If we were all in a room rather than online it would be so different.

[Withano]

Well, I'm not on a high horse. But I can understand that it might look like that from where you are.

See? We can go backwards and forwards with this all night. Tedious. I wasn't rude to you get you had to come back with an insult.

We're all pretty nice people on here, with strong opinions. Let's try to get on more. Because frankly, it's a pain in the arse to go into a thread and see everyone being so bitchy. If we were all in a room rather than online it would be so different.

. I used the term snowflake in retaliation to something a lot worse.. Pretty similar to what you've done here, are you a fan of irony? Put me on that extensive ignore list if you dont like me behaving this way.. But umm.. Youve kind of done the same.

[Livia]

. I used the term snowflake in retaliation to something a lot worse.. Pretty similar to what you've done here, are you a fan of irony? Put me on that extensive ignore list if you dont like me behaving this way.. But umm.. Youve kind of done the same.

I have tried with you Withano because I quite like you. Usually I'd just put someone on ignore without trying to smooth the waters I don't always agree with you but you do make good points and you are passionate about your opinions and that's not a bad thing. But this is a debate forum. It's not a playground and it's not a war zone.

[user104658]

If we were all in a room rather than online it would be so different.

:smug: bom-chikka-wah-waaah

[Niamh.]

Mmmmm I could eat some of those right now.



Haven't seen it... I looked it up on Urban Dictionary. I'm so square.

You haven't seen Fight Club? Ohh you're missing out, watch it!

[user104658]

I heard the term 'Snowflake' comes from the film 'Fight club', is that true?

"You are not special. You are not a beautiful and unique snowflake. You're the same decaying organic matter as everything else. We're all part of the same compost heap. We're the all singing, all dancing crap of the world."

I don't think it was the first place the term "snowflake" was used, though.

[Tom4784]

lol you know nothing about me or whether Ive experienced prejudice lol so ignorant of you to presume such a thing and of course your presumption is itself prejudicial

The fact that you think that Straight White Men are victimised more than any minority tells me all I need to know.

You're definitely white because if you were any other race then you wouldn't have said that since you'd have likely had to deal with racism at some point in your life and would know the difference between being a victim of racism and desperately wanting to be one.

You're definitely straight because no LGBT person would believe that straight people are victimised more than the LGBT. Like I mentioned above, you only really find those kinds of victim complexes within the majority, not a minority.

You're definitely a man because your attitude towards women is pretty textbook misogyny.

What I said before still stands, you have never faced any kind of prejudice based on your race, sexuality or gender so it's beyond ridiculous to hear you bleat on about imaginary things that enforce your victim complex.

[Tom4784]

Did anyone even read the first post? Abortion hasn't been banned at all, just support for people going through it. People are gonna do it anyway but many will be alone and unsupported through the process.

It's definitely a first salvo, women's rights are going to take a beating under Trump's regime.

[Tom4784]

Why don't you just debate your opinion and stop calling people silly names.

@LT.

[Pete.]

Republicans have a shocking policy on abortion and need get some perspective. What will happen when one of these health groups can't support a woman through an ectopic pregnancy?

[Crimson Dynamo]

It's definitely a first salvo, women's rights are going to take a beating under Trump's regime.

Here we go withe the crystal ball routine

[Greg!]

Well that hasn't happened, so what are you fussing about?

Women can have abortions, but if they want them, then they can pay for them themselves. They're getting to be responsible for themselves.

Why should a tax-payer, who has no children, and get's no financial help for having no children, have to pay for other peoples mistakes?

Um because many women get pregnant through no fault of their own (raped, contraception fails etc) and many women who can't afford proper medical abortions, or are banned from doing so, attempt it themselves which can be extremely dangerous and damaging to their health?

[Tom4784]

Here we go withe the crystal ball routine

If you've got something useful to add then by all means go ahead.

[Marsh.]

lets hope it allows more innocent harmless healthy babies the chance to live their lives

Yes, let's have more dysfunctional families on this overpopulated planet struggling to get by and being raised by parents who knew themselves they weren't capable of being parents but were forced into the decision to become one.

[Marsh.]

Republicans have a shocking policy on abortion and need get some perspective. What will happen when one of these health groups can't support a woman through an ectopic pregnancy?

An ectopic pregnancy isn't an abortion?

[Brillopad]

If you've got something useful to add then by all means go ahead.

Kind of you to give your permission! :wavey:

[Brillopad]

Meh, it was in response to being told I was being personally abusive in a thread that I made one post :shrug: I'm sure I'm less fine with this complete lie than the other member is with being called snowflake. I'm sure its less of your concern than you like to think it is too.

Also, the background youve missed is that the original member popularised the term
But you seem comfortable enough on that high horse, so we'll move on.

From one high horse to another.

[arista]

For their husbands is it, while they make the dinner and iron his shirts? aaahhh it's clear now Arista :laugh:


No Fine Lady
not all of them
Some women also go out to work
as their kids are stuck in school.


Can you help Dezzy
to Understand Trump Won
because of Jobs that Clinton said NO to.


Also Fine Lady
http://www.thisisbigbrother.com/forums/showthread.php?t=315520
can you post on this thread, if you find time,
as I went out of my way
to back this other Fine Lady on
something now in Parliament
and New Law


Thank You For Your Time

[Brillopad]

No Fine Lady
not all of them
Some women also go out to work
as their kids are stuck in school.


Can you help Dezzy
to Understand Trump Won
because of Jobs that Clinton said NO to.


Also Fine Lady
http://www.thisisbigbrother.com/forums/showthread.php?t=315520
can you post on this thread, if you find time,
as I went out of my way
to back this other Fine Lady on
something now in Parliament
and New Law


Thank You For Your Time

Yes Arista one of the reasons many voted for Trump was because of jobs in industry, so it is a promise he had better keep or there will be a mass turn around at the next election, but unfortunately some can't see much further than the 'isms' on this subject. It's all about agenda.

[user104658]

Yes Arista one of the reasons many voted for Trump was because of jobs in industry, so it is a promise he had better keep or there will be a mass turn around at the next election, but unfortunately some can't see much further than the 'isms' on this subject. It's all about agenda.

There will be a mass turnaround anyway. Half the reason Trump won was voter apathy, they got a 55% turnout which is really shameful for the world's supposed "beacon of democracy". And less than half of those who voted voted for Trump.

If anything positive will come from this, I would hope it's that a lot of people will have been shocked out of their stupor and actually bother to vote in 2020.

[Niamh.]

There will be a mass turnaround anyway. Half the reason Trump won was voter apathy, they got a 55% turnout which is really shameful for the world's supposed "beacon of democracy". And less than half of those who voted voted for Trump.

If anything positive will come from this, I would hope it's that a lot of people will have been shocked out of their stupor and actually bother to vote in 2020.

I was over in the states just before the election and spoke to alot of people about it, the vast majority felt like they were stuck between a rock and a hard place because they hated both candidates

[user104658]

I was over in the states just before the election and spoke to alot of people about it, the vast majority felt like they were stuck between a rock and a hard place because they hated both candidates

The fact that 3 million more people voted for Clinton than Trump, and yet Trump is president, is surely completely broken as an electoral system. And yet, the people who would defend Trump's legitimacy are the same ones who are adamant that the binary UK-wide referendum vote is more relevant than the demographics and geography of the vote. Whichever suits, I guess :shrug:

[Vicky.]

This is not surprising, nor is the few supporting it on here tbh. Some people just seem to hate women. What good will cutting back on services do? Even if this was an outright ban on abortions, that would do no good either, force people to have babies they don't want...or having to go backstreet and risking their lives

Truth...you realise that forcing women to have babies will tend to end up with men paying out a lot of money for these unwanted children? Tax payers paying more also, care systems being dragged to their knees, and so on?

Also **** this 'baby' stuff...its not like killing a baby at all. If it is, then even stuff like the morning after pill and such are potential baby murderers.

[StephenPullen]

What's the problem with not forcing tax payers to fund abortions if they do not believe in the practice?

[Niamh.]

This is not surprising, nor is the few supporting it on here tbh. Some people just seem to hate women. What good will cutting back on services do? Even if this was an outright ban on abortions, that would do no good either, force people to have babies they don't want...or having to go backstreet and risking their lives

Truth...you realise that forcing women to have babies will tend to end up with men paying out a lot of money for these unwanted children? Tax payers paying more also, care systems being dragged to their knees, and so on?

Also **** this 'baby' stuff...its not like killing a baby at all. If it is, then even stuff like the morning after pill and such are potential baby murderers.

Exactly. I notice Truth won't answer my question that I've asked him multiple times on the thread. He says Abortion should only be allowed to women who are raped but if it's acceptable to do it then you can't actually believe it's murdering a baby because if you truly believed that then it would never be acceptable no matter what the circumstances

[Vicky.]

What's the problem with not forcing tax payers to fund abortions if they do not believe in the practice?

Instead force taxpayers to pay out a ****load more cash for unwanted babies? Sense..

I don't believe in a lot of stuff my taxes go on tbh

[Niamh.]

What's the problem with not forcing tax payers to fund abortions if they do not believe in the practice?

Did he ask the Tax payers first?

[Vicky.]

If we ever find a contraceptive that is 100% effective, I may slightly change my views on this, but whilst the best is only 98% effective (meaning 2 people of every hundred will still get pregnant even when using it) then no. And I will never support taking away a womans right to chose completely. I do however, support lowering the limit for 'choice' abourtions...but I believe this isn't even necessary as most are carried out in the first few weeks, tends to be only for medical reasons when people have them later

[StephenPullen]

Instead force taxpayers to pay out a ****load more cash for unwanted babies? Sense..

Hmm, so let's kill babies because we can't afford them. Sounds very humane. Let's kill unwanted babies because we don't want them - same argument was used to justify killing the Jews in 1940s Europe.

There is a thing called adoption, it actually allows you to give children to parents that actually want them without killing them before they are born. Honestly, and you are the same people that call Donald Trump immoral.

[StephenPullen]

You know, the only people you fail listen to are the innocent unborn children. Where is their voice in all this? Silence.

[Niamh.]

You know, the only people you fail listen to are the innocent unborn children. Where is their voice in all this? Silence.

Do you think the morning after Pill is ok then or not?

[y.winter]

Out goes the Holocaust card
SD is fun

[Niamh.]

Again though a load of men again in here trying to tell women what they can and can't do with their own bodies.

[Jack_]

I saw a great comment about 'pro life' on a Facebook article about this earlier. It said, and I quote:

'Let's call it what it is - anti choice. If it was about promoting life, he would be ensuring all children have access to healthcare, education and a safe gun free environment.'

Burn!

[Ithinkiloveyoutoo]

According to DM Strump wants to start building the Mexican wall today. What about the Russian migrants? I can't wait for everything to backfire on his stupid ass

[StephenPullen]

Do you think the morning after Pill is ok then or not?

I think it's the responsibility of the parents to make the right decisions surrounding their sexual antics and the consequences of them. There are many debates surrounding whether or not a child is alive at conception or not - and I thought the morning after pill was meant to be taken without the knowledge of a pregnancy, just like a precaution. I view the morning after pill as being the same as a prophylactic/ condo,, it prevents pregnancy from taking place because there is evidence that suggests it takes around 5 days for a pregnancy to begin or not begin.

[StephenPullen]

According to DM Strump wants to start building the Mexican wall today. What about the Russian migrants? I can't wait for everything to backfire on his stupid ass

I'm sure President Trump values your very thoughtful and insightful opinion. Not.

[Brillopad]

You know, the only people you fail listen to are the innocent unborn children. Where is their voice in all this? Silence.

Are you personally, and those who share your opinions, going to look after all these children you want to force to be born - put your money where your mouth is kind of thinking, or once they are born will you excuse yourself of any responsibility in their plight with no families to care for them.

[Niamh.]

I think it's the responsibility of the parents to make the right decisions surrounding their sexual antics and the consequences of them. There are many debates surrounding whether or not a child is alive at conception or not - and I thought the morning after pill was meant to be taken without the knowledge of a pregnancy, just like a precaution. I view the morning after pill as being the same as a prophylactic/ condo,, it prevents pregnancy from taking place because there is evidence that suggests it takes around 5 days for a pregnancy to begin or not begin.

Thought as much. So what if a women is raped and she's too distraught by the ordeal to think straight, can she have an abortion if she finds out she's pregnant say 3 weeks in?

[Vicky.]

Hmm, so let's kill babies because we can't afford them. Sounds very humane. Let's kill unwanted babies because we don't want them - same argument was used to justify killing the Jews in 1940s Europe.

There is a thing called adoption, it actually allows you to give children to parents that actually want them without killing them before they are born. Honestly, and you are the same people that call Donald Trump immoral.

They aren't babies at that stage...and adoption agencies are bursting at the seams.

Anyway, my point was if its taxpayers money thats the problem, it will cost 10000000x more to force people to have babies than to fund abortion.

[Vicky.]

If anything MORE funding needs to be put into stuff like this. I don't know if America is the same as here, but you get no counseling, no information, just get given a pill here. No discussion about it or anything.

[Brillopad]

According to DM Strump wants to start building the Mexican wall today. What about the Russian migrants? I can't wait for everything to backfire on his stupid ass

That's a good dose of wishful thinking you have going on there.

You may be happy to live in a country becoming more and more dangerous to live in due to crime from illegals involved in drug and gun crime but most don't. Very short-sighted viewpoint.

[Niamh.]

That's a good dose of wishful thinking you have going on there.

You may be happy to live in a country becoming more and more dangerous to live in due to crime from illegals involved in drug and gun crime but most don't. Very short-sighted viewpoint.

But he won't even think about tackling gun laws though will he, too much cash involved in that and big corporations with a stake in those companies I would imagine. It's all very selective

[MB.]

I'm sure President Trump values your very thoughtful and insightful opinion. Not.

...says the person who compared abortion to the Holocaust :umm2:

[the truth]

...says the person who compared abortion to the Holocaust :umm2:

similar death count

[Niamh.]

similar death count

Of course sometimes is ok to murder a baby though, isn't Truth, if the woman is raped for example?

[Brillopad]

But he won't even think about tackling gun laws though will he, too much cash involved in that and big corporations with a stake in those companies I would imagine. It's all very selective

Changes to gun laws aren't likely to significantly impact on guns used by illegals. They can get them elsewhere. So any changes in guns laws aren't likely to effect the increased gang and gun crimes.

[UserSince2005]

Women shouldnt be allowed to have abortions and if they do they should be locked up and the ovaries taken away. such an evil act.

[Brillopad]

Women shouldnt be allowed to have abortions and if they do they should be locked up and the ovaries taken away. such an evil act.

As it takes two then the men should be castrated as well if you want to take that train of thought seriously.

[Vicky.]

I think he's trolling Vicky :laugh:

Honestly, you never know on here :S

[Niamh.]

Honestly, you never know on here :S

Well I choose to believe some of these opinion are trolling attempts anyway otherwise I would despair to much :hehe:

[Vicky.]

Well I choose to believe some of these opinion are trolling attempts anyway otherwise I would despair to much :hehe:

Thats probably the best way actually...this will be my plan for the future :laugh:

[UserSince2005]

:hehe:
im sooooo naughty
:hehe:

[Niamh.]

:hehe:
im sooooo naughty
:hehe:

Listen you, you were supposed to be turning over a new leaf :fist:

[UserSince2005]

Listen you, you were supposed to be turning over a new leaf :fist:

you know i try my hardest to be good. :hee:

[Niamh.]

you know i try my hardest to be good. :hee:

:laugh:

[Tom4784]

Kind of you to give your permission! :wavey:

From one high horse to another.

Very useful comments here, full of insight.

[Tom4784]

Hmm, so let's kill babies because we can't afford them. Sounds very humane. Let's kill unwanted babies because we don't want them - same argument was used to justify killing the Jews in 1940s Europe.

There is a thing called adoption, it actually allows you to give children to parents that actually want them without killing them before they are born. Honestly, and you are the same people that call Donald Trump immoral.

They're not babies within the time frame of abortions by choice. Like I said before, they are just a collection of cells that can't support life at that stage. It's like accusing someone of murder for clipping their nails.

Your second paragraph is naive beyond belief. Trump is trying to reppeal the affordable healthcare act so the act of having a baby would result in a lot of medical bills, are you saying it's a good idea to force women into debt just to have a baby that they don't want that will likely grow up in a harsh system? It's highly ironic that you call pro-choice people immoral considering....

[Brillopad]

Very useful comments here, full of insight.

They are indeed.

[Northern Monkey]

In the UK the time limit for abortion is 24 weeks.Although i'm all for people having the right to choose.After going to two 12 and 20 week scans it does make me uncomfortable that we allow abortions that late into a pregnancy.I do think the time limit should be drastically lower.

[Niamh.]

In the UK the time limit for abortion is 24 weeks.Although i'm all for people having the right to choose.After going to two 12 and 20 week scans it does make me uncomfortable that we allow abortions that late into a pregnancy.I do think the time limit should be drastically lower.

Yeah totally agree with that

[Tom4784]

I do agree that the upper limit could be done with being lowered as I believe a child can survive at 24 weeks but I don't think it's a major issue since most abortions happen early on anyway.

[DemolitionRed]

Statistics from 2014 show that 92% of abortions were carried out under 13 weeks gestation, 80% were under 10 weeks.
A very low percentage of abortions were carried out late because of congenital malformations or risk to life of mother if the pregnancy continued. Abortions after 24 weeks was 0.1%

I am all for pro choice, though I can’t agree with the feticide procedure unless there is risk to the life of the mother or proven major fetal malformations.

[DemolitionRed]

Just to be clear, 'feticide' is used in the medical profession for a type of procedure used for removing a fetus over 22 weeks. Its a word that is also used when women try to self abort a late term baby.

[Niamh.]

This is a good article :

In one simple quote, Sister Joan Chittister, O.S.B. sums up the hypocrisy of many in the 'pro-life' movement:

"I do not believe that just because you're opposed to abortion, that that makes you pro-life. In fact, I think in many cases, your morality is deeply lacking if all you want is a child born but not a child fed, not a child educated, not a child housed. And why would I think that you don't? Because you don't want any tax money to go there. That's not pro-life. That's pro-birth. We need a much broader conversation on what the morality of pro-life is."
This quote applies well to many Republican lawmakers who continue to introduce/pass restrictive misogynist laws against woman's reproductive rights. At the same time, the GOP works to shut down women's health clinics, with a special vengeance towards Planned Parenthood (#StandWithPP). You don't hear of these Right Wing anti-choice extremists adopting children from unplanned pregnancies or putting funds into sex education. But you do see Republican lawmakers cut access to birth control, which prevents abortions. You do see the GOP's 54 attempts to repeal the Affordable Care Act and their $24 Billion Government Shutdown both to destroy universal health reform which protects the needs of millions of American children. And you do see Republican lawmakers cut government programs like school lunches for children and block government financial aid to families who are homeless and/or in need.

The goals of these so-called anti-choice/'pro-life' hypocrites are not about fetuses or children once born, their agenda is about controlling women's bodies and women's futures. How great to hear Sister Joan Chittister, a Benedictine nun, define the pro-life/anti-choice GOP double talk so well. An outspoken advocate for women, Sister Joan Chittister is a lecturer and author of 50 books. Holding a Ph.D. from Penn State University, she is also a research associate in a division of Cambridge University. Other subjects of her writing include women in the church and society, human rights, peace and justice, religious life and spirituality. She has appeared in the media on numerous shows including Meet the Press, 60 Minutes, Bill Moyers, BBC, NPR, and Oprah Winfrey. You can visit Joan Chittister's website at Joan Chittister.org.

http://www.dailykos.com/story/2015/7/30/1407166/-Catholic-Nun-Explains-Pro-Life-In-A-Way-That-May-Stun-The-Masses

[Tom4784]

This is a good article :

In one simple quote, Sister Joan Chittister, O.S.B. sums up the hypocrisy of many in the 'pro-life' movement:

"I do not believe that just because you're opposed to abortion, that that makes you pro-life. In fact, I think in many cases, your morality is deeply lacking if all you want is a child born but not a child fed, not a child educated, not a child housed. And why would I think that you don't? Because you don't want any tax money to go there. That's not pro-life. That's pro-birth. We need a much broader conversation on what the morality of pro-life is."
This quote applies well to many Republican lawmakers who continue to introduce/pass restrictive misogynist laws against woman's reproductive rights. At the same time, the GOP works to shut down women's health clinics, with a special vengeance towards Planned Parenthood (#StandWithPP). You don't hear of these Right Wing anti-choice extremists adopting children from unplanned pregnancies or putting funds into sex education. But you do see Republican lawmakers cut access to birth control, which prevents abortions. You do see the GOP's 54 attempts to repeal the Affordable Care Act and their $24 Billion Government Shutdown both to destroy universal health reform which protects the needs of millions of American children. And you do see Republican lawmakers cut government programs like school lunches for children and block government financial aid to families who are homeless and/or in need.

The goals of these so-called anti-choice/'pro-life' hypocrites are not about fetuses or children once born, their agenda is about controlling women's bodies and women's futures. How great to hear Sister Joan Chittister, a Benedictine nun, define the pro-life/anti-choice GOP double talk so well. An outspoken advocate for women, Sister Joan Chittister is a lecturer and author of 50 books. Holding a Ph.D. from Penn State University, she is also a research associate in a division of Cambridge University. Other subjects of her writing include women in the church and society, human rights, peace and justice, religious life and spirituality. She has appeared in the media on numerous shows including Meet the Press, 60 Minutes, Bill Moyers, BBC, NPR, and Oprah Winfrey. You can visit Joan Chittister's website at Joan Chittister.org.

http://www.dailykos.com/story/2015/7/30/1407166/-Catholic-Nun-Explains-Pro-Life-In-A-Way-That-May-Stun-The-Masses

Come thru Sister Joan :clap1:

She's right, people have called abortion immoral in this thread yet they offer no solutions for the logistics of forcing childbirth on women.

[user104658]

You can see it in any given conversation on this topic. The people who are quickest to shout about being pro-life are also the first to despair about "single mothers on benefits". It doesn't take a very complex equation to work out that making abortions illegal is going to result in a dramatic increase in single mothers who are unable to work.

[Niamh.]

You can see it in any given conversation on this topic. The people who are quickest to shout about being pro-life are also the first to despair about "single mothers on benefits". It doesn't take a very complex equation to work out that making abortions illegal is going to result in a dramatic increase in single mothers who are unable to work.

Exactly and the only solution offered seems to be, keep your legs closed :nono:

[Tom4784]

You can see it in any given conversation on this topic. The people who are quickest to shout about being pro-life are also the first to despair about "single mothers on benefits". It doesn't take a very complex equation to work out that making abortions illegal is going to result in a dramatic increase in single mothers who are unable to work.

That's generally what happens when gullible people blame vulnerable scapegoats for **** that isn't their fault.

[Cal.]

Thats a sexist ageist post:nono: This is about the rights of babies to live a live, millions of them. If the mother is healthy and hasnt been raped then the rights of the unborn baby is more important than the mother

There's plenty more reasons than just the mother not being healthy or her being raped. Financial issues, educational issues, being abandoned/no help from father, the fact that otherwise women just fall back into that neanderthal cycle of pregnancy and childbirth etc. What about the millions of babies/children that have been born and are living without families already?

[Cal.]

Mess I thought this was a new topic. I didn't realise it'd been going on for 7 pages.

[erinp5]

He doesn't even impress his own wife .
https://twitter.com/Marv_Vien/status/823621167621619713/video/1

[Niamh.]

He doesn't even impress his own wife .
https://twitter.com/Marv_Vien/status/823621167621619713/video/1

I saw this earlier and someone said that they thought someone had edited it so it's playing on rewind, so I rewatched it and I think they might be right :laugh:

[erinp5]

I saw this earlier and someone said that they thought someone had edited it so it's playing on rewind, so I rewatched it and I think they might be right :laugh:

Nope taken from his inauguration, see full clip.

Here’s a widescreen version of the same exchange during the presidential inauguration on Friday.

Melania Trump definitely loves her husband and is very happy to be here https://t.co/6Ex7uFeSEM pic.twitter.com/Rhwm6FpgHG

— Jezebel (@Jezebel) January 23, 2017

http://www.thepoke.co.uk/2017/01/24/people-cant-stop-looking-gif-donald-melania-trump/

[Niamh.]

Nope taken from his inauguration, see full clip.

Here’s a widescreen version of the same exchange during the presidential inauguration on Friday.

Melania Trump definitely loves her husband and is very happy to be here https://t.co/6Ex7uFeSEM pic.twitter.com/Rhwm6FpgHG

— Jezebel (@Jezebel) January 23, 2017

http://www.thepoke.co.uk/2017/01/24/people-cant-stop-looking-gif-donald-melania-trump/

No wonder she's depressed when she had to spend the day watching how the former president treats his wife compared to hers :fan: