which scumbag do you prefer

[Fetch The Bolt Cutters]

.

[Jake.]

oh, god

as in on CBB or in general? it has to be Jamie

[Denver]

Danielle

[LukeB]

The one who wasn't racist... Jamie

[Stevep]

Why is Danielle a scumbag?

[Pete.]

Jamie is a saint next to her

[LukeB]

Why is Danielle a scumbag?

Because she bullied Shilpa and was racist.

[Fetch The Bolt Cutters]

Why is Danielle a scumbag?

http://68.media.tumblr.com/6ef4f9dddb45e52bdad82f6151b5bb20/tumblr_inline_nl073o0ogU1rfgyve.gif

[Pete.]

Why is Danielle a scumbag?
http://i.imgur.com/I5n7ZE0.gif

[Amy Jade]

I pressed the wrong one lol

[Marsh.]

Who is santipurple?

[Marsh.]

This is like choosing between cancer and an STI. I'd rather an STI but it's still not very pleasant.

[Fetch The Bolt Cutters]

Who is santipurple?

wtf D:

[Marsh.]

wtf D:

Tapatalk is telling me "santipurple" made this thread??? :conf:

[joeysteele]

Jamie on this one.

[Fetch The Bolt Cutters]

oh that must be name on tapatalk i thought i only used that on my old kik

[Fetch The Bolt Cutters]

anyway stop this exposé!

[Marsh.]

anyway stop this exposé!

:joker:

[Epic.]

I prefer Danielle simply on the basis that from a narrative point of view she had epic justice served against her in the biggest boos anyone ever got after being racist and bullying Shilpa. Her enemy going on to win is also poetic. I hate Danielle but I did love the karma that was served against her for being a scumbag.

Jamie on the other hand is a massive hypocrite who's very sly about everything, gets in a showmance in everything that moves (he will **** a plant next), acts the victim after Bianca did something he's already done probably more than once and has a really weird streak where he feels weird confronting men yet is very in your face towards clearly weak men or women. And since this is about which scumbag we PREFER, I'm not going by who's less hateable, but more who had a better purpose to them. So I prefer Danielle

lol they're tied

[Stevep]

Because she bullied Shilpa and was racist.

Completely forgot she was in that group.

That said, you can't judge someone for what happened nearly a decade ago, people change, also i could be wrong but if i remember correctly she didn't do all that much to Shilpa, wasn't she pretty much a 'sheep' in that whole saga? Tagging along, giggling but not being the direct bully? Doesn't necessarily mean she should be excused for her part but it's pretty sad that people still judge her so harshly for something that happened nearly a decade ago.

Everyone deserves a second chance, particularly those that make mistakes when they are young and naive.

[Ant.]

Jamie's an utter creep and is a perv, whereas Danielle is a racist bully. I'm gonna have to go with Danielle

[Jason.]

I want them both incinerated.

[Marsh.]

i could be wrong but if i remember correctly she didn't do all that much to Shilpa,

Very wrong, she was a main instigator and whilst Jade treated Shilpa appallingly and was a bully I'd say most of the racism itself came from Danielle and Jack.

[LukeB]

omg Danielle is a tibb member.

[ChristmasNeeve]

Jamie eventhough he's awful, Danielle can't even take responsibility for what she did to this day

[Stevep]

Very wrong, she was a main instigator and whilst Jade treated Shilpa appallingly and was a bully I'd say most of the racism itself came from Danielle and Jack.

Context is always needed, it's never quite as black and white as many make out. As i said in my above post, although i can't recollect all that much from that series i do vaguely remember Danielle being extremely naive and being for the majority of time more of a follower in that whole incident as opposed to an instigator. In fact, only last night i watched the first 15 mins or so of a show that Danielle was on where she admitted that she was never fully accepted by girls at a young age, that in itself would offer one possible explanation as to why she did not deter from that group even after all the bullying towards Shilpa. Not saying it is, but i guess it's possible considering she is a person that seeks acceptance.

If she were to behave the same way again then it would be reasonable to come to the conclusion that nothing has changed and that she'd behave the same way again in the future. But if you only judge people by their past then that suggests that people are stagnant, which more often than not is not the case. People change, still calling her scum for an incident that happened a decade ago is a tad harsh.

I could be wrong but for me she was young and naive, she made innocent comments without consciously understanding their full impact, she was wrong but it happens. For example you comparing her to an STI or Cancer is pretty extreme, if you made those comments in the house i'm sure there would be a ton of posts on here in apparent outrage, criticizing you for being inconsiderate towards others etc. ****ty comments are made innocently sometimes, doesn't necessarily make the person behind them a bad person.

[Marsh.]

Context is always needed, it's never quite as black and white as many make out. As i said in my above post, although i can't recollect all that much from that series i do vaguely remember Danielle being extremely naive and being for the majority of time more of a follower in that whole incident as opposed to an instigator. In fact, only last night i watched the first 15 mins or so of a show that Danielle was on where she admitted that she was never fully accepted by girls at a young age, that in itself would offer one possible explanation as to why she did not deter from that group even after all the bullying towards Shilpa. Not saying it is, but i guess it's possible considering she is a person that seeks acceptance.

If she were to behave the same way again then it would be reasonable to come to the conclusion that nothing has changed and that she'd behave the same way again in the future. But if you only judge people by their past then that suggests that people are stagnant, which more often than not is not the case. People change, still calling her scum for an incident that happened a decade ago is a tad harsh.

I could be wrong but for me she was young and naive, she made innocent comments without consciously understanding their full impact, she was wrong but it happens. For example you comparing her to an STI or Cancer is pretty extreme, if you made those comments in the house i'm sure there would be a ton of posts on here in apparent outrage, criticizing you for being inconsiderate towards others etc. ****ty comments are made innocently sometimes, doesn't necessarily make the person behind them a bad person.
Well unlike you I watched, I paid attention and I remember.

You vaguely remembering this that and the other is not context.

I remember and I know, you will do well to listen my dear boy.

[y.winter]

Last night it was confirmed that the worst housemate of CBB19 was indeed 10-years-is-not-enough-to-take-responsibility-and-be-quiet Danielle. So I prefer Jamie, to a certain extent.

[Stevep]

Well unlike you I watched, I paid attention and I remember.

You vaguely remembering this that and the other is not context.

I remember and I know, you will do well to listen my dear boy.

Just found this, a nice mature response from Shilpa, also pretty chuffed to find out that Shilpa, who experienced the incident first hand, read the situation exactly how i've just described it (follower etc).....pretty impressive considering i only vaguely remember.

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[Marsh.]

Her being a follower isn't some kind of excuse nor does it diminish any of her vile actions. She knew what she was doing.

Yes she did it to look big and clever but she clearly hadn't matured since as she doesn't simply own up to being an immature bully trying to impress girls she looked up to.

No instead she's blaming those girls as though they forced those words from her mouth when the footage shows us she actually came out with far more racism than these girls that supposedly led this innocent little Liverpudlian astray.

An absolute insult to shilpa to not even acknowledge any wrong doing.

[Mitchell]

Jamie's a twat, but at least he's not a racist bully

[Stevep]

Her being a follower isn't some kind of excuse nor does it diminish any of her vile actions. She knew what she was doing.

Yes she did it to look big and clever but she clearly hadn't matured since as she doesn't simply own up to being an immature bully trying to impress girls she looked up to.

No instead she's blaming those girls as though they forced those words from her mouth when the footage shows us she actually came out with far more racism than these girls that supposedly led this innocent little Liverpudlian astray.

An absolute insult to shilpa to not even acknowledge any wrong doing.

Never said she was innocent, never said she should be excused, in fact i said she shouldn't be excused in my very first post. I'm merely making the point that continuing to judge, slate and abuse someone for an incident that happened nearly decade ago is imo ridiculous, particularly when an individual was young and naive at the time. I'm not referring solely to Danielle here, i'm talking about people in general. **** happens, people make mistakes, it's how you respond to mistakes that ultimately determines what kind of a person you are.

But fair enough, if you see it differently then fine, we'll agree to disagree, no harm in that.

[Marsh.]

Never said she was innocent, never said she should be excused, in fact i said she shouldn't be excused in my very first post. I'm merely making the point that continuing to judge, slate and abuse someone for an incident that happened nearly decade ago is imo ridiculous, particularly when an individual was young and naive at the time. I'm not referring solely to Danielle here, i'm talking about people in general.

But it's not simply "continuing to judge, slate and abuse someone for an incident that happened nearly decade ago is imo ridiculous, particularly when an individual was young and naive at the time."

We're commenting on what she's said about the incident in a TV show 24 HOUR AGO. Where she also proved she's not grown up one bit.

**** happens, people make mistakes, it's how you respond to mistakes that ultimately determines what kind of a person you are.

Precisely. And that's exactly what's happened here, she's demonstrated she hasn't accepted responsibility for her mistakes and learned from them. She's still the immature little girl blaming someone else for putting her own hand in the fire. AND THAT'S WHAT'S BEING COMMENTED ON.

[sungrass]

i didnt even know who danielle loyd was!!! shouldnt have clicked just dont like jaime!!

i was living abroad for that cbb - only just realised reading your comments so with I could retract my vote.

[Jamie89]

Jamie but only because he's not Danielle Lloyd.