State Visit by Trump! Petition Time and OMG!

[DemolitionRed]

Here is the wording:
Prevent Donald Trump from making a State Visit to the United Kingdom.
Donald Trump should be allowed to enter the UK in his capacity as head of the US Government, but he should not be invited to make an official State Visit because it would cause embarrassment to Her Majesty the Queen

https://petition.parliament.uk/petitions/171928.

I signed at 7:30 this morning and it was 929,120 and one hour later its 947,643 but its going up as I type. It's a bit like a witnessing a casino machine rack up a big win.

I've never seen anything like it!

[UserSince2005]

I do not believe so many people have signed it. Probably fake bots

[DemolitionRed]

I do not believe so many people have signed it. Probably fake bots

These sort of petitions have to be legit. You have to leave your full name, postcode and email address.

[DemolitionRed]

Its going to hit 1 million this morning. Signing rate is up to 10 per second and this is the bussiest time of the day for most people.

[Crimson Dynamo]

lol, remember the numbers when he ran for pres? Just kids and facebook/twitter

No one takes petitions seriously any more

I would wager less than 20% can or have ever voted

[DemolitionRed]

Watch out for the petition reaching 1,042,000 that'll be 2% of the adult population of the UK! (52.1 million in round numbers)
3% will be 1, 563,000
4% will be 2,084,000

:dance:

This is going to be funny at the next PM question time.

[Crimson Dynamo]

Watch out for the petition reaching 1,042,000 that'll be 2% of the adult population of the UK! (52.1 million in round numbers)
3% will be 1, 563,000
4% will be 2,084,000

:dance:

This is going to be funny at the next PM question time.

Downing Street source dismisses petition as 'a populist gesture'

:hehe:

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-4170964/No10-rejects-calls-cancel-Donald-Trump-s-state-visit.html


From the aqrticle Top Comment: Apparently the Million Britons who signed this petition don't understand that President Trumps TEMPORARY executive orders were issued to keep America safe while new vetting requirements are developed and implemented. His ban on immigration is not PERMANENT! As an American, I think that it's great to finally have a President who stands up for his country and puts Americans first....

[arista]

DR
debate all day In Parliament
on Trump - all local UK matter debates CHEKED IN THE BIN


Waste of Time and Money

[DemolitionRed]

its now 1,219,174

[Kazanne]

Blimey we didn't have this much protesting when some bloke with a hook for a hand preached hatred on our streets for years, Trump visiting for a day or so and people go nuts,everyone needs to chill.

[Crimson Dynamo]

its now 1,219,174

its a got a lot to go before it its the pointless 4 million the "we want another referendum coz we lost" got

:joker:

[Kazanne]

its a got a lot to go before it its the pointless 4 million the "we want another referendum coz we lost" got

:joker:

Half of them are just jumping on the bandwagon anyway and have no idea what they are signing, following like sheep their friends family etc.Do they actually listen or read anything,this is a temporary thing at the moment,people just love drama.

[DrunkerThanMoses]

It's pretty sad that this petition and protest in airports have more attentidence then his ignoration had. Wouldn't surprise me if he says it's only Muslims who signed this petition because he is that simple minded and ignorant too realise 80% of the world hate his guts

[Crimson Dynamo]

It's pretty sad that this petition and protest in airports have more attentidence then his ignoration had. Wouldn't surprise me if he says it's only Muslims who signed this petition because he is that simple minded and ignorant too realise 80% of the world hate his guts

Still i expect he can spell...


:idc:

[arista]

"just jumping on the bandwagon"


Yes Kaz a protest in London 6PM
tonight - Well dodgy in the Dark
but SOME DAYTIME WORKERS CAN BUM IT
WITH THEIR LEFT WING LOSERS


Sign of The Times

[the truth]

that means theres 62 million other people who want to allow him entry

[Tom4784]

Blimey we didn't have this much protesting when some bloke with a hook for a hand preached hatred on our streets for years, Trump visiting for a day or so and people go nuts,everyone needs to chill.

What a simplistic way of looking at things, illogical too.

We can't complain about a state visit about Trump because of Abu Hamza who is now imprisoned for life for his crimes? It wasn't exactly like he was allowed to roam free either, the legal proceedings took years because extradition takes time.

What would a petition have done about Abu Hamza when he was already facing legal proceedings? More importantly what the **** does that have to do with preventing a state visit from Trump? Very little, especially since a petition for the latter might actually achieve something.

[DemolitionRed]

It's pretty sad that this petition and protest in airports have more attentidence then his ignoration had. Wouldn't surprise me if he says it's only Muslims who signed this petition because he is that simple minded and ignorant too realise 80% of the world hate his guts

Hehe but of course! Just as some of the people here claim that the petition is fake without producing any evidence for this 'alternative fact'.....

[DemolitionRed]

"just jumping on the bandwagon"


Yes Kaz a protest in London 6PM
tonight - Well dodgy in the Dark
but SOME DAYTIME WORKERS CAN BUM IT
WITH THEIR LEFT WING LOSERS


Sign of The Times

There's going to be equal amounts of left and right at this protest. The only people who won't be turning up are the far right.

I'm seriously thinking of joining Owen Jones etc in Downing St at 6pm tonight. Disgusted doesn't touch the hem of what I'm feeling about the bleached badger.

[DemolitionRed]

A hundred signatures every ten seconds and its not even the end of the working day.

[Shaun]

Downing Street source dismisses petition as 'a populist gesture'

:hehe:

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-4170964/No10-rejects-calls-cancel-Donald-Trump-s-state-visit.html


From the aqrticle Top Comment: Apparently the Million Britons who signed this petition don't understand that President Trumps TEMPORARY executive orders were issued to keep America safe while new vetting requirements are developed and implemented. His ban on immigration is not PERMANENT! As an American, I think that it's great to finally have a President who stands up for his country and puts Americans first....

I'd like to dismiss the EU Referendum as a populist gesture.

[Withano]

This is so historically important, I'm in shock.

http://trumpdonald.org/

[Crimson Dynamo]

Downing Street have confirmed the visit so move away kids

Nothing to see here

[DemolitionRed]

This is so historically important, I'm in shock.

http://trumpdonald.org/

PMSL :joker:

[arista]

There's going to be equal amounts of left and right at this protest. The only people who won't be turning up are the far right.

I'm seriously thinking of joining Owen Jones etc in Downing St at 6pm tonight. Disgusted doesn't touch the hem of what I'm feeling about the bleached badger.


Yes I hope he goes Live at 7PM on Ch4HD News
Owen is Great for a Debate


DR - the problem is
watch your back
its dark and other gangs can join a Peaceful
Protest and have bottles
all kinds of trouble
Take photos - Not at the Police though
we do not want you Knocked Out.

[DemolitionRed]

Yes I hope he goes Live at 7PM on Ch4HD News
Owen is Great for a Debate


DR - the problem is
watch your back
its dark and other gangs can join a Peaceful
Protest and have bottles
all kinds of trouble
Take photos - Not at the Police though
we do not want you Knocked Out.

Thanks Arista but I've been on enough protests to understand that most are peaceful.

[Brother Leon]

Petition won't do ****. We need to be America's bitch pretty much after Brexit. May isn't going to **** that up.

[Marsh.]

It's pretty sad that this petition and protest in airports have more attentidence then his ignoration had. Wouldn't surprise me if he says it's only Muslims who signed this petition because he is that simple minded and ignorant too realise 80% of the world hate his guts

I loved his ignoration.

[arista]

Thanks Arista but I've been on enough protests to understand that most are peaceful.

Sure
but be ready if something goes wrong
Fireworks can be deadly fired at you
Police may block you
on security grounds.

I hope all goes well.
and maybe Live TV News cameras
will help protect all.
SkyNewsHD /ITV1HD News / Ch4HD News
CNN HD/ CBSnewsHD.

not so sure about BBC
already today in Manchester
they only had audio
did not show the protesters
pulled the cameras well back.


Maybe BBC1 London Local News
from 6:30PM may go Live

[arista]

Protest all you want


Trump is booked for the British Visit
the PM has Confirmed
No one can stop the USA President
you are fools if you think a protest
makes any bleedin' difference
to be honest

[arista]

Petition won't do ****. We need to be America's bitch pretty much after Brexit. May isn't going to **** that up.


Bang On Right
Brother Leon

[arista]

ITV1 London LIVE from Whitehall
To many there already

[Brillopad]

Here is the wording:
Prevent Donald Trump from making a State Visit to the United Kingdom.
Donald Trump should be allowed to enter the UK in his capacity as head of the US Government, but he should not be invited to make an official State Visit because it would cause embarrassment to Her Majesty the Queen

https://petition.parliament.uk/petitions/171928.

I signed at 7:30 this morning and it was 929,120 and one hour later its 947,643 but its going up as I type. It's a bit like a witnessing a casino machine rack up a big win.

I've never seen anything like it!

I'm sure it'll stop Trumps visit to the UK. :joker:

[Brillopad]

Thanks Arista but I've been on enough protests to understand that most are peaceful.

A professional protester!

[Northern Monkey]

I think it's all abit silly really tbh.Theresa May has just been over there for a start.
We might not like him but he is our ally like it or not and officially we have to be atleast civil with him.
Plus we've had much worse people than Trump visit.
Suppose this petition and protest actually worked.....So what?
What does it achieve other than annoying the president of the USA?

[Tom4784]

I think it's all abit silly really tbh.Theresa May has just been over there for a start.
We might not like him but he is our ally like it or not and officially we have to be atleast civil with him.
Plus we've had much worse people than Trump visit.
Suppose this petition and protest actually worked.....So what?
What does it achieve other than annoying the president of the USA?

Worth tbh.

[Northern Monkey]

Worth tbh.

:laugh:

[jaxie]

Blimey we didn't have this much protesting when some bloke with a hook for a hand preached hatred on our streets for years, Trump visiting for a day or so and people go nuts,everyone needs to chill.

:clap1:

[jaxie]

This seems petty and rather dumb to me. When has excluding someone ever really worked to change their opinions? It would be better to let him visit and have dialogue with him.

Why on earth is shutting the door in his face the right way to go when you are more or less doing the same thing he is?

If we can let the President of China loose on the Queen and Putin, I don't see why why we can't foist Trump on her for a banquet.

[Crimson Dynamo]

This seems petty and rather dumb to me. When has excluding someone ever really worked to change their opinions? It would be better to let him visit and have dialogue with him.

Why on earth is shutting the door in his face the right way to go when you are more or less doing the same thing he is?

If we can let the President of China loose on the Queen and Putin, I don't see why why we can't foist Trump on her for a banquet.

Its just kids and sjw's

no one apart from the omg squad and the shook generation cares:joker:

[Brillopad]

It's ridiculous, like kids stamping their feet to try and get their own way - massive tantrum.

[DemolitionRed]

Just back and feeling fairly elated. A friend got interviewed for BBC news.

[Crimson Dynamo]

Just back and feeling fairly elated. A friend got interviewed for BBC news.
So it's just about you and feeling important?

Wow

[DemolitionRed]

And the signatures have now reached over 1.5 million :hehe:

Edited to add, I've put the trolls on ignore as all they do is bait for a reaction and I honestly can't be bothered.

[user104658]

And the signatures have now reached over 1.5 million :hehe:

Edited to add, I've put the trolls on ignore as all they do is bait for a reaction and I honestly can't be bothered.

I dunno what happened. I'm starting to think that someone kidnapped Kirk, drained out all of his charm and intelligence, but left his opinions intact, and sent him back with a new identity.

[smudgie]

He has been officially invited, so he will get the red carpet treatment.
If it makes people feel better to protest then so be it.
As far as I can see he is carrying out what he was voted in on.:shrug:

[Brillopad]

I do find it intriguing listening to some of the pomposity on here - people with over-inflated egos and full of their own perceived superior intelligence and I ask myself why are they here. Big fish in a little pond maybe.

[DemolitionRed]

I dunno what happened. I'm starting to think that someone kidnapped Kirk, drained out all of his charm and intelligence, but left his opinions intact, and sent him back with a new identity.


We think alike then :laugh:

[smudgie]

I wonder if the petition to allow his visit will gather similar support.
Interesting to watch.

[DemolitionRed]

I wonder if the petition to allow his visit will gather similar support.
Interesting to watch.

Do you have a link for that?

[jaxie]

I dunno what happened. I'm starting to think that someone kidnapped Kirk, drained out all of his charm and intelligence, but left his opinions intact, and sent him back with a new identity.

It's a shame Kirk felt he had to leave. He was a character.

[arista]

He has been officially invited, so he will get the red carpet treatment.
If it makes people feel better to protest then so be it.
As far as I can see he is carrying out what he was voted in on.:shrug:

Yes around June 2017

[Tom4784]

It's a statement of intent that people will not stand for the civil rights abuses that he has already committed. Whether it's successful or not doesn't matter.

It's kind of odd how people want to protect Trump from the consequences of his actions though, all leaders should be held accountable and the people should be allowed to have their say. This desperation to silence dissenting voices is quite worrying.

[arista]

It's a statement of intent that people will not stand for the civil rights abuses that he has already committed. Whether it's successful or not doesn't matter.

It's kind of odd how people want to protect Trump from the consequences of his actions though, all leaders should be held accountable and the people should be allowed to have their say. This desperation to silence dissenting voices is quite worrying.



Sure Dezzy
Like the China Leader arriving to see Blair and the Queen.
there was some protests, but kept away from
Cars with the leaders.

All these protests Change Nothing


Business as Usual

[jaxie]

It's a statement of intent that people will not stand for the civil rights abuses that he has already committed. Whether it's successful or not doesn't matter.

It's kind of odd how people want to protect Trump from the consequences of his actions though, all leaders should be held accountable and the people should be allowed to have their say. This desperation to silence dissenting voices is quite worrying.

Where were 'people' last year when China's President visited? In comparison to their abuses of their own nationals and their neighbors this Getting hot under the collar about Trump seems hysterical.

[Tom4784]

Where were 'people' last year when China's President visited? In comparison to their abuses of their own nationals and their neighbors this Getting hot under the collar about Trump seems hysterical.

One protest doesn't change or devalue the other. I don't get this obsession you and others seem to have suggesting that people's opinions or protests are invalid unless they are part of ALL protests.

It seems like a weak way to try to silence someone's opinion in all honesty, you should try to engage in the debate, not try to stifle it.

[jaxie]

One protest doesn't change or devalue the other. I don't get this obsession you and others seem to have suggesting that people's opinions or protests are invalid unless they are part of ALL protests.

It seems like a weak way to try to silence someone's opinion in all honesty, you should try to engage in the debate, not try to stifle it.

I have engaged by giving my opinion. Your not agreeing with it doesn't make it less valid as a contribution. I think this protest is a poor choice of battle if you want to talk weak. I didn't say you should engage with all protests but there are other much more terrible things to protest about.

Imo the US will have this pause, then introduce a new, stronger checking system for those enterng and then the entering will resume. It's a silly storm in a silly teacup and there are far greater abuses In the world to get upset about.

[smudgie]

Do you have a link for that?

Sorry, it was on Newsnight tonight.
Just started up today I think.

[James]

These petitions are bit reactionary, in the true sense of the word. People are seeing something they don't like and then putting their names to something without thinking of the long-term consequences.

Imagine how Trump would react if we did cancel the state visit, having offered it? He would treat it as a major personal snub - we've given state visits to all recent US Presidents - and he would ignore our views even more. He's the President of the United States and we need to co-operate with the US, not just because of the trade deal, but also because we want them to keep committed to NATO, which Trump has threatened before not to do.

I saw Malcolm Rifkind on the news earlier and he said that with Trump not having any political experience, and not knowing much about foreign affairs he will be relying on other advisor's opinions to mold his opinions. The British government has to be involved in that to have whatever influence we can.

[jaxie]

These petitions are bit reactionary, in the true sense of the word. People are seeing something they don't like and then putting their names to something without thinking of the long-term consequences.

Imagine how Trump would react if we did cancel the state visit, having offered it? He would treat it as a major personal snub - we've given state visits to all recent US Presidents - and he would ignore our views even more. He's the President of the United States and we need to co-operate with the US, not just because of the trade deal, but also because we want them to keep committed to NATO, which Trump has threatened before not to do.

I saw Malcolm Rifkind on the news earlier and he said that with Trump not having any political experience, and not knowing much about foreign affairs he will be relying on other advisor's opinions to mold his opinions. The British government has to be involved in that to have whatever influence we can.

This is a brilliant post James and very intelligently put.

[Jack_]

826149998811344896

:laugh2:

That is inspired. One of the best protest chants of all time?

[arista]

"These petitions are bit reactionary,"


Yes James
Nothing is Going to Change.


Respect The Law Of The Land
June Trump will Fly In

Time to sell more Hats..............

[Tom4784]

I have engaged by giving my opinion. Your not agreeing with it doesn't make it less valid as a contribution. I think this protest is a poor choice of battle if you want to talk weak. I didn't say you should engage with all protests but there are other much more terrible things to protest about.

Imo the US will have this pause, then introduce a new, stronger checking system for those enterng and then the entering will resume. It's a silly storm in a silly teacup and there are far greater abuses In the world to get upset about.

Then go protest them?

You could say 'there's bigger problems in the world' about literally ANYTHING and it doesn't change the fact that there's a problem in the first place. Most security experts worth their salt agree that the ban is ineffective. It's just a move to fool gullible people into believing he is doing something useful. All he has achieved is increasing the likelihood of another major terror attack in the future because this ban just gave the extremists ammunition.

No security measure that basically paints all Muslims as a threat will ever help combat terrorism.

[Tom4784]

These petitions are bit reactionary, in the true sense of the word. People are seeing something they don't like and then putting their names to something without thinking of the long-term consequences.

Imagine how Trump would react if we did cancel the state visit, having offered it? He would treat it as a major personal snub - we've given state visits to all recent US Presidents - and he would ignore our views even more. He's the President of the United States and we need to co-operate with the US, not just because of the trade deal, but also because we want them to keep committed to NATO, which Trump has threatened before not to do.

I saw Malcolm Rifkind on the news earlier and he said that with Trump not having any political experience, and not knowing much about foreign affairs he will be relying on other advisor's opinions to mold his opinions. The British government has to be involved in that to have whatever influence we can.

I refuse to bow down to a fascist because people voted to **** us over in the Referendum or because Trump might throw a temper tantrum and make some decisions that will be rectified as soon as he leaves the White House which is likely to be sooner rather than later.

[Brillopad]

I have engaged by giving my opinion. Your not agreeing with it doesn't make it less valid as a contribution. I think this protest is a poor choice of battle if you want to talk weak. I didn't say you should engage with all protests but there are other much more terrible things to protest about.

Imo the US will have this pause, then introduce a new, stronger checking system for those enterng and then the entering will resume. It's a silly storm in a silly teacup and there are far greater abuses In the world to get upset about.

Completely agree. The whole thing feels like one big sulk to me especially as you say there are far greater abuses in the world, ironically many of which are committed by those they seek to protect.

These type of hysterical protests are as immature and reactionary as that of those they protest against.

[Brillopad]

Do I believe what I hear when those that have the nerve to talk of 'stifling free speech' are quite happy to stifle away with abusive comments to others when it suits. Yep I do as that kind of hypocrisy is commonplace in many threads.

[Kazanne]

826149998811344896

:laugh2:

That is inspired. One of the best protest chants of all time?

Well whoever that is sounds very intelligent and people admire such people:shrug:

[jaxie]

Then go protest them?

You could say 'there's bigger problems in the world' about literally ANYTHING and it doesn't change the fact that there's a problem in the first place. Most security experts worth their salt agree that the ban is ineffective. It's just a move to fool gullible people into believing he is doing something useful. All he has achieved is increasing the likelihood of another major terror attack in the future because this ban just gave the extremists ammunition.

No security measure that basically paints all Muslims as a threat will ever help combat terrorism.

You presume a great deal with very few facts.

All this rabid anti Trump reaction is bizarre to me when there are bigger fish to fry but as is often the case those with a bee in their bonnet are not listening to other opinions or to common sense.

In my view it's about picking your battles and this isn't the right one. Maybe it's because Trump is a 'safe' target. :shrug:

[jaxie]

Well whoever that is sounds very intelligent and people admire such people:shrug:

Good point Kaz.

[Northern Monkey]

826149998811344896

:laugh2:

That is inspired. One of the best protest chants of all time?
Wow inspirational.....

I wouldn't be lying if i said i've heard more intellectual chants on the terraces of football grounds

[joeysteele]

I doubt this petition will change anything other than draw attention to the issue.

For me the offer of the visit was premature.
This man in my view is a dangerous President, I'd have been cordial but not so arms open wide to him.

[Withano]

Trump will enter the UK with the knowledge that he inspired several protests and the 2nd largest petition in UK's history.
Im not sure if he cares yet, he was handed a ****-tonne of power, but his allies are against him, his enemies are against him even more so than before, and half of his own country is against him. His power will subside, and I do believe the UK are among the first of many to send this message.

[DemolitionRed]

Trump will enter the UK with the knowledge that he inspired several protests and the 2nd largest petition in UK's history.
Im not sure if he cares yet, he was handed a ****-tonne of power, but his allies are against him, his enemies are against him even more so than before, and half of his own country is against him. His power will subside, and I do believe the UK are among the first of many to send this message.

I had no expectations when I signed that petition and no expectations when I joined the protesters last night. What that petition and protest has done for me is show unity and unity is important in times like this. Its heartening to know that millions feel the same way we do and its reassuring to know that people will stand up and fight for democracy.

American Muslims and relatives of American Muslims presently have no voice of their own. We are that voice.

[Jack_]

Well whoever that is sounds very intelligent and people admire such people:shrug:

Wow inspirational.....

I wouldn't be lying if i said i've heard more intellectual chants on the terraces of football grounds

Maybe you should both lighten up a little? Unless you're not aware of the song it's taken from idk

I happen to think exercising your democratic right to protest is highly intelligent, actually. Using the word '****' doesn't negate that, astounded that people think it does.

[Withano]

I had no expectations when I signed that petition and no expectations when I joined the protesters last night. What that petition and protest has done for me is show unity and unity is important in times like this. Its heartening to know that millions feel the same way we do and its reassuring to know that people will stand up and fight for democracy.

American Muslims and relatives of American Muslims presently have no voice of their own. We are that voice.

Yeh, I signed the petition with the same thought process - im pretty sure that they decided against debating the - anti-we're gonna look through your internet history- petition despite it getting enough signatures?.. A message from a million people is enough of a reason to do it though for me. There is simply no way that Trump and May don't know about it. And that's progress.

[Kazanne]

Maybe you should both lighten up a little? Unless you're not aware of the song it's taken from idk

I happen to think exercising your democratic right to protest is highly intelligent, actually. Using the word '****' doesn't negate that, astounded that people think it does.

Do you actually think ALL those people there know what they are protesting about? If one were asked I doubt they'de have a clue. This is just hysteria gone mad.

[user104658]

TBQFH I think this is a red herring. As I said on Livia's thread, for one, the wording of the petition about offending the poor little queen makes me puke. I am against not just our monarchy, but the very concept of royalty and everything it stands for.

Secondly... as awful as Trump is... what makes him truly awful is the fact that he is the president of the United States, and all of the implications that come with that. In terms of world leaders in general, if we're comparing them like-for-like, if you're going to ban Trump you'd have to ban about 80% of the rest of them too :umm2:...

[Livia]

TBQFH I think this is a red herring. As I said on Livia's thread, for one, the wording of the petition about offending the poor little queen makes me puke. I am against not just our monarchy, but the very concept of royalty and everything it stands for.

Secondly... as awful as Trump is... what makes him truly awful is the fact that he is the president of the United States, and all of the implications that come with that. In terms of world leaders in general, if we're comparing them like-for-like, if you're going to ban Trump you'd have to ban about 80% of the rest of them too :umm2:...


I agree with you TS. Someone alert the media...

[user104658]

Do you actually think ALL those people there know what they are protesting about? If one were asked I doubt they'de have a clue. This is just hysteria gone mad.

Nah. If it was summer, maybe. People are FAR too lazy / cosy to go out in the winter just for the sake of it. You could maybe argue that they don't all have the best reasoning skills and don't REALLY understand all of the politics behind it, that would be a fair (almost inevitable) assumption, but I think everyone "in general" does know what it's about and why they instinctively "don't like this".

[Cherie]

826149998811344896

:laugh2:

That is inspired. One of the best protest chants of all time?

It felt more like dumbing down the issue than ensuring it was taken seriously :laugh:

[user104658]

It felt more like dumbing down the issue than ensuring it was taken seriously :laugh:

I have to admit that's something that bug me too. Much harder to have an issue taken seriously when there are brainless mob chants going on. This of course applies to both sides with the whole Trump thing, some of the pro-Trump mobs... :umm2:... let's just say I think more than a few long-lost cousins were running into each other at those.

[jaxie]

TBQFH I think this is a red herring. As I said on Livia's thread, for one, the wording of the petition about offending the poor little queen makes me puke. I am against not just our monarchy, but the very concept of royalty and everything it stands for.

Secondly... as awful as Trump is... what makes him truly awful is the fact that he is the president of the United States, and all of the implications that come with that. In terms of world leaders in general, if we're comparing them like-for-like, if you're going to ban Trump you'd have to ban about 80% of the rest of them too :umm2:...

Nicely put. Sort of what I meant when I said there were others who have a worse record but you kind of said it better I think. Nice to be able to agree with you for a change though I will say the pomp and ceremony of royalty isn't bad for the tourist industry.

Baying mobs look pretty ignorant, whatever they are baying about.

[user104658]

Nicely put. Nice to be able to agree with you for a change though I will say the pomp and ceremony of royalty isn't bad for the tourist industry.

My feeling on that one is that disbanding the monarchy would have very little effect on the tourist industry vs having a historical monarchy, and it even opens up the possibility of truly opened up tourist hotspots in ex-royal buildings. I am far from convinced that the relatively modest money the Active Royal Tourism industry brings in justifies the subliminal sociological message that the concept of Royalty / "hereditary superiority" oozes into the public mindset. I think it by design is supposed to remind us that we are "less than"... and I have major issues with that, for any amount of money. I whole-heartedly believe that every individual is at least BORN equal, whether they're being neglected in a mouldy tower block or cherished like Precious Little George.

...but this is pretty majorly off topic so... :joker:

[Jack_]

Do you actually think ALL those people there know what they are protesting about? If one were asked I doubt they'de have a clue. This is just hysteria gone mad.

Do you think ALL the people who voted to leave the EU, or for Trump, or for the Tories at the last general election - knew what they were voting for?

You could apply the same supposition to almost anything, it's like delete as applicable to whatever particular cause you wish to belittle. The number of people there who know what they're protesting about is irrelevant, the very fact that people are exercising their democratic right (one that, btw, is chastised far too much for my liking in recent years - it's almost as if people have little understanding of its worth and history) is a good thing, people say the same about voting and this works in exactly the same way.

I also think the reason for this protest is getting lost in translation. It is both against him being afforded an official 'state' visit at the expense of the tax payer (as opposed to him visiting on his own terms), and the related issue of anti-racism and Islamaphobia. People seem to be forgetting that many dual nationals in Britain were and are directly affected by the policy, and Theresa May's reluctance to condemn such an abhorrent stance is a stain on Britain's image. If the Prime Minister of the US' closest neighbour can publicly criticise it, I think we're more than capable of not disappearing up the arse of Donald ****ing Trump.

[DemolitionRed]

Do you think ALL the people who voted to leave the EU, or for Trump, or for the Tories at the last general election - knew what they were voting for?

You could apply the same supposition to almost anything, it's like delete as applicable to whatever particular cause you wish to belittle. The number of people there who know what they're protesting about is irrelevant, the very fact that people are exercising their democratic right (one that, btw, is chastised far too much for my liking in recent years - it's almost as if people have little understanding of its worth and history) is a good thing, people say the same about voting and this works in exactly the same way.

I also think the reason for this protest is getting lost in translation. It is both against him being afforded an official 'state' visit at the expense of the tax payer (as opposed to him visiting on his own terms), and the related issue of anti-racism and Islamaphobia. People seem to be forgetting that many dual nationals in Britain were and are directly affected by the policy, and Theresa May's reluctance to condemn such an abhorrent stance is a stain on Britain's image. If the Prime Minister of the US' closest neighbour can publicly criticise it, I think we're more than capable of not disappearing up the arse of Donald ****ing Trump.

Well said Jack.

The protests are going to be huge when Trump comes here and I don't doubt that all the Trump loyalists on here will complain about how its costing the taxpayers money.

May dived into her own bear trap and clearly didn't consider the British peoples reaction. Typical Tory leader!

[Tom4784]

You presume a great deal with very few facts.

All this rabid anti Trump reaction is bizarre to me when there are bigger fish to fry but as is often the case those with a bee in their bonnet are not listening to other opinions or to common sense.

In my view it's about picking your battles and this isn't the right one. Maybe it's because Trump is a 'safe' target. :shrug:

I presume nothing, if the greatest security minds in the world are in agreement that this ban achieving nothing but inflaming the situation then I'm gonna respect their experience and knowledge in the field and pay attention.

If there are 'bigger fish to fry' then why aren't you concerning yourself with them instead? People get involved in issues that are meaningful to them, you are not the judge of what is and isn't important.

Trump has pretty much flouted the foundation that the US was built upon and the ban is pretty much unconstitutional, if you think people are 'picking a safe target' rather than protesting a serious issue that does affect the world then that's worrying.

All leaders should be held accountable for their actions, this need to protect Trump from peaceful protesting and opposing opinions is rather grim.

[Livia]

Well said Jack.

The protests are going to be huge when Trump comes here and I don't doubt that all the Trump loyalists on here will complain about how its costing the taxpayers money.

May dived into her own bear trap and clearly didn't consider the British peoples reaction. Typical Tory leader!

Please stop calling forum members who don't agree with you "Trump loyalists". It's very narrow-minded and nothing's that black and white. I do not support Trump, but I support his right to come here as a democratically elected president.

[jaxie]

Well said Jack.

The protests are going to be huge when Trump comes here and I don't doubt that all the Trump loyalists on here will complain about how its costing the taxpayers money.

May dived into her own bear trap and clearly didn't consider the British peoples reaction. Typical Tory leader!

I don't support Trump. Why are you calling everyone who disagrees with you a Trump loyalist? :shrug:

I do think it's ridiculous to pee your panties over a Trump state visit when Putin, Mugabe, Seko, Ceaușescu, Hirohito, Putin and Xi Jinping have all had state visits.

[jaxie]

I presume nothing, if the greatest security minds in the world are in agreement that this ban achieving nothing but inflaming the situation then I'm gonna respect their experience and knowledge in the field and pay attention.

If there are 'bigger fish to fry' then why aren't you concerning yourself with them instead? People get involved in issues that are meaningful to them, you are not the judge of what is and isn't important.

Trump has pretty much flouted the foundation that the US was built upon and the ban is pretty much unconstitutional, if you think people are 'picking a safe target' rather than protesting a serious issue that does affect the world then that's worrying.

All leaders should be held accountable for their actions, this need to protect Trump from peaceful protesting and opposing opinions is rather grim.

Yeah you presumed I don't protest or that I don't concern myself, and look, you still are. :shrug: I don't let other minds thing for me, no matter who they are. Sorry you do.

Who said I am protecting trump? I am suggesting those who are overreacting, are, in fact, overreacting. I can admit to being slightly gobsmacked that there wasn't a sniff of all this fuss when Xi Jinping went to visit the Queen.

I have every confidence that the US will deal with this themselves as a free democratic country.

[Tom4784]

Yeah you presumed I don't protest or that I don't concern myself and look you still are. :shrug:

Who said I am protexcting trump? I am suggesting those who are overreacting, are, in fact, overreacting. I can admit to being slightly gobsmacked that there wasn't a sniff of all this fuss when Xi Jinping went to visit the Queen.

I asked you why you weren't concerning yourself with the 'bigger fish' if this issue isn't that important to you. I don't think I've ever commented on whether or not you protest and I don't care if you do or don't. The opinion that a protest isn't valid unless the protesters also protest other issues is not an opinion I hold, in fact I think I've spoken out about it in this thread.

I guess the one who was doing the presuming was you all along.

[DemolitionRed]

I don't support Trump. Why are you calling everyone who disagrees with you a Trump loyalist? :shrug:

I do think it's ridiculous to pee your panties over a Trump state visit when Putin, Mugabe, Seko, Ceaușescu, Hirohito, Putin and Xi Jinping have all had state visits.

If all the posters on here were Trump loyalists then I simply wouldn't be here but clearly, there are Trump loyalists on here or do you disagree?

And I don't pee my panties as you are so rudely suggesting, but I do show grave concerns over Trump because American politics have such a huge influence on British politics.

[jaxie]

If all the posters on here were Trump loyalists then I simply wouldn't be here but clearly, there are Trump loyalists on here or do you disagree?

And I don't pee my panties as you are so rudely suggesting, but I do show grave concerns over Trump because American politics have such a huge influence on British politics.

It wasn't personal.

I wouldn't know who is a Trump loyalist or who isn't but it is just as rude to say that in generalisation as it is to assume a wad of people are peeing their panties over a Trump visit. If you don't want people to make potentially rude remarks, then don't give them out. Your grave concerns might be better off encouraging the government to seek dialogue with Trump and try to be a good influential force than to rampage through London and demand he should be shunned. You are smart lady, you should know this.

What disturbs me most of all is that you are more worried about what I said about people peeing their panties, than the list of names I gave.

[jaxie]

I asked you why you weren't concerning yourself with the 'bigger fish' if this issue isn't that important to you. I don't think I've ever commented on whether or not you protest and I don't care if you do or don't. The opinion that a protest isn't valid unless the protesters also protest other issues is not an opinion I hold, in fact I think I've spoken out about it in this thread.

I guess the one who was doing the presuming was you all along.

Projecting again.

[DemolitionRed]

It wasn't personal.

I wouldn't know who is a Trump loyalist or who isn't but it is just as rude to say that in generalisation as it is to assume a wad of people are peeing their panties over a Trump visit. If you don't want people to make potentially rude remarks, then don't give them out. Your grave concerns might be better off encouraging the government to seek dialogue with Trump and try to a good influential force than to rampage through London and demand he should be shunned. You are smart lady, you should know this.

I'm not allowed to name names.

To be quite frank the sarcasms and put downs (that have come out of your mouth) towards a number of people of late have made the hair on the back of my neck stand up. Keep in mind, you are no innocent in this.

Oh and I didn't rampage through London, I walked peacefully arm to arm with solidarity. Thank fcuk I live in a democracy that allows me to speak out about injustices.

[jaxie]

I'm not allowed to name names.

To be quite frank the sarcasms and put downs (that have come out of your mouth) towards a number of people of late have made the hair on the back of my neck stand up. Keep in mind, you are no innocent in this.

Oh and I didn't rampage through London, I walked peacefully arm to arm with solidarity. Thank fcuk I live in a democracy that allows me to speak out about injustices.

Well I'm sorry I'm disturbing your hairs. I do stand up for myself that's for sure.

Again the phrase rampage through London wasn't personal, just a reflection of the excited rampage through London.

[Brillopad]

I'm not allowed to name names.

To be quite frank the sarcasms and put downs (that have come out of your mouth) towards a number of people of late have made the hair on the back of my neck stand up. Keep in mind, you are no innocent in this.

Oh and I didn't rampage through London, I walked peacefully arm to arm with solidarity. Thank fcuk I live in a democracy that allows me to speak out about injustices.

Oh please, there were a couple of occasions I bit my tongue when you were being downright rude and attempting to put down a poster who isn't rude to anyone because he has an unusual delivery. Patronising and uncomfortable.

[user104658]

Please stop calling forum members who don't agree with you "Trump loyalists". It's very narrow-minded and nothing's that black and white. I do not support Trump, but I support his right to come here as a democratically elected president.

To be fair to DR, there are some Trump (what I would call) Loyalists on the forum. By which I mean, there are people who will literally twist anything and everything into a positive no matter how unrealistic when it comes to anything Trump-related. It does make some threads into a fun "how will this be spun" guessing game, though :joker:.

[Kizzy]

There are some bigly trump fans who think it bigly important this leader of the free world with all his prejudices comes to the UK.

[Tom4784]

Projecting again.

Generally if you are going to attempt to mock someone by using their words against them it's general best to do so in a situation that fits the quote.

Keep trying, Jaxie.

[DemolitionRed]

To be fair to DR, there are some Trump (what I would call) Loyalists on the forum. By which I mean, there are people who will literally twist anything and everything into a positive no matter how unrealistic when it comes to anything Trump-related. It does make some threads into a fun "how will this be spun" guessing game, though :joker:.

Thanks TS and as for you Livia, you have the right to be offended even though I didn't offend you directly.

[Kizzy]

Surprised at the opposition to the term 'trump loyalist' as a corbyn fan I've been accused of being everything from loyal to obsessed to loony, yet another double standard set.

[Livia]

Thanks TS and as for you Livia, you have the right to be offended even though I didn't offend you directly.


You're not allowed to call other forum members names because they disagree with you. I didn't exercise my right to be personally offended because I am not a fan of Trump.

[Livia]

Surprised at the opposition to the term 'trump loyalist' as a corbyn fan I've been accused of being everything from loyal to obsessed to loony, yet another double standard set.

Let me explain it for you. You are a fan of Corbyn, are you not? You are on the Left, you have said so yourself. Conversely, I am not a fan of Trump and neither are a lot of people being lumped into the "Trump Loyalist" pigeon hole. And furthermore, you've done a fair bit of name-calling yourself over the years as I recall.

You can object to Trump's visit for whatever reason you, or anyone else has. I think that, looking at the other despots we've schmoozed over the years, the reaction to Trump's visit is hysterical. And I can say that without calling anyone derogatory names.

[DemolitionRed]

1.8 million and counting!

[MrTheMan]

Trump...

I don't want him visiting my country, he looks like an Asian man who had his face dipped in dangerous acid.

[the truth]

Let me explain it for you. You are a fan of Corbyn, are you not? You are on the Left, you have said so yourself. Conversely, I am not a fan of Trump and neither are a lot of people being lumped into the "Trump Loyalist" pigeon hole. And furthermore, you've done a fair bit of name-calling yourself over the years as I recall.

You can object to Trump's visit for whatever reason you, or anyone else has. I think that, looking at the other despots we've schmoozed over the years, the reaction to Trump's visit is hysterical. And I can say that without calling anyone derogatory names.

This is very accurate. I know youre no trump fan Liv, but you have brought some much needed balance and perspective to the topic:wavey:

[the truth]

1.8 million and counting!

and 235000 have signed to let him in, in just 48 hours https://petition.parliament.uk/petitions/178844

[arista]

Yes a Day debated in Parliament DR

Never mind about all the local problems MP's had
Your WASTE OF TIME
TRUMP DAY in the UK Parliament is now set for one day.

[arista]

and 235000 have signed to let him in, in just 48 hours https://petition.parliament.uk/petitions/178844



The fools that want him blocked
only get one day Trump debate in Parliament

Do they not know that?????

[DemolitionRed]

and 235000 have signed to let him in, in just 48 hours https://petition.parliament.uk/petitions/178844

That's less that a quarter of what the other petition made in 48 hours.

[Brillopad]

That's less that a quarter of what the other petition made in 48 hours.

Who cares - no one really takes it seriously snyway. No one is going to stop Trump coming.

[MrTheMan]

This palaver wouldn't happen if Hillary won the presidency, instead we have to put up with someone who looks like an Asian guy who had his face dipped in dangerous acid and talks like a mafia tough-guy.

[Brillopad]

This palaver wouldn't happen if Hillary won the presidency, instead we have to put up with someone who looks like an Asian guy who had his face dipped in dangerous acid and talks like a mafia tough-guy.

It could certainly be argued that Hilary was more of a mafia don. Nothing honest or law-abiding about her.

[MrTheMan]

It could certainly be argued that Hilary was more of a mafia don. Nothing honest or law-abiding about her.

At least she wouldn't go around building ****ty walls along the Mexican border, banning muslims, repealing obamacare, mocking disabled reporters and coming up with other ridiculous policies that Trump would come up with.

[Vicky.]

Sorry. I do not give a flying **** about embarrassment caused to Her Majesty the Queen

The royals are a waste of time IMO...yes its all lovely and good for tourists and such. But I couldn't care less about them (unless harry is willy waggling in the press again...that can be quite funny)

And anyone can visit if they like to...

[arista]

"And anyone can visit if they like to... "

Yes business as usual
march away - changes nothing in England.

[arista]

At least she wouldn't go around building ****ty walls along the Mexican border, banning muslims, repealing obamacare, mocking disabled reporters and coming up with other ridiculous policies that Trump would come up with.

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[Kizzy]

Let me explain it for you. You are a fan of Corbyn, are you not? You are on the Left, you have said so yourself. Conversely, I am not a fan of Trump and neither are a lot of people being lumped into the "Trump Loyalist" pigeon hole. And furthermore, you've done a fair bit of name-calling yourself over the years as I recall.

You can object to Trump's visit for whatever reason you, or anyone else has. I think that, looking at the other despots we've schmoozed over the years, the reaction to Trump's visit is hysterical. And I can say that without calling anyone derogatory names.

Please don't start accusing me of things... None on the despots were the western leader of the free world were they? let's keep some perspective.

Being called a loyalist isn't derogatory, you are having a somewhat hysterical reaction to this whole issue if you ask me.

[Livia]

Please don't start accusing me of things... None on the despots were the western leader of the free world were they? let's keep some perspective.

Being called a loyalist isn't derogatory, you are having a somewhat hysterical reaction to this whole issue if you ask me.

Putin is a world leader. Xi Jinping is a world leader. There's your perspective, right there. Unless you consider these not world leaders because they are not "western".

You can't tell other people what they may find derogatory. The term "Trump loyalist" was used in a derogatory way. It's all about intent, you know.

Furthermore, the double-standards you've been claiming look ridiculous when you look at your sig... and then remember that you've quoted the DM. You were cunning to remove your original posts but you can't remove it when people quoted it. I can post it if you like.

[Northern Monkey]

I would generalise that alot of the people who signed the anti Trump petition or even the people who created it don't give a flying **** about the queens embarrassment or the royal family either.They just used that wording as a tool to try and persuade more people of their agenda.

[DemolitionRed]

I would generalise that alot of the people who signed the anti Trump petition or even the people who created it don't give a flying **** about the queens embarrassment or the royal family either.They just used that wording as a tool to try and persuade more people of their agenda.

Actually it was the man who set up the campaign in badly worded English that started it. I don't care about embarrassing the queen but I resent paying through my taxes for all the pomp and ceremony that comes with a state visit.

[Kizzy]

Putin is a world leader. Xi Jinping is a world leader. There's your perspective, right there. Unless you consider these not world leaders because they are not "western".

You can't tell other people what they may find derogatory. The term "Trump loyalist" was used in a derogatory way. It's all about intent, you know.

Furthermore, the double-standards you've been claiming look ridiculous when you look at your sig... and then remember that you've quoted the DM. You were cunning to remove your original posts but you can't remove it when people quoted it. I can post it if you like.

Notice my use of the word 'free' there...

I'd say you're just nit picking to be frank, there are people who appear to be trump loyalists ... what's wrong with voicing that?

I may have quoted the DM in the past, who cares? Not sure why you've hijacked this thread to discuss it :/

[Livia]

Notice my use of the word 'free' there...

I'd say you're just nit picking to be frank, there are people who appear to be trump loyalists ... what's wrong with voicing that?

I may have quoted the DM in the past, who cares? Not sure why you've hijacked this thread to discuss it :/

You started this whole ridiculous, off-topic discussion when you replied to a post of mine that I made to someone else. I'd call that nit picking.

Aaaanyhoo.... back on topic.

I see that Kuwait has stopped issuing visas for five majority Muslim countries, including Pakistan. Racists and Nazis? Can we expect some outraged protesters outside the Kuwaiti embassy today, or is the issue just with Trump? Interestingly, there's no word of the Kuwaiti ban in mainstream media. Funny that.

[jaxie]

You started this whole ridiculous, off-topic discussion when you replied to a post of mine that I made to someone else. I'd call that nit picking.

Aaaanyhoo.... back on topic.

I see that Kuwait has stopped issuing visas for five majority Muslim countries, including Pakistan. Racists and Nazis? Can we expect some outraged protesters outside the Kuwaiti embassy today, or is the issue just with Trump? Interestingly, there's no word of the Kuwaiti ban in mainstream media. Funny that.

Just Trump.

[Niamh.]

You started this whole ridiculous, off-topic discussion when you replied to a post of mine that I made to someone else. I'd call that nit picking.

Aaaanyhoo.... back on topic.

I see that Kuwait has stopped issuing visas for five majority Muslim countries, including Pakistan. Racists and Nazis? Can we expect some outraged protesters outside the Kuwaiti embassy today, or is the issue just with Trump? Interestingly, there's no word of the Kuwaiti ban in mainstream media. Funny that.

From my point of view, I think the problem people have with Trump (and why it's not publicised as much as the example you gave) is because he's a leader of a Western country, like the UK, like Ireland, like Australia etc etc So, it feels like he's speaking for us in a way, as a western society. It's like everytime there's a terror attack in a Western country or not even a terror attack any type of disaster or tragedy, it's publicised much more in our media because it feels more relate-able, we're not part of the same country but it would be silly to suggest that western countries don't share a commonality and feel some sort of kinship towards eachother. He in a way represents us as in the Wests way of life

[Livia]

From my point of view, I think the problem people have with Trump (and why it's not publicised as much as the example you gave) is because he's a leader of a Western country, like the UK, like Ireland, like Australia etc etc So, it feels like he's speaking for us in a way, as a western society. It's like everytime there's a terror attack in a Western country or not even a terror attack any type of disaster or tragedy, it's publicised much more in our media because it feels more relate-able, we're not part of the same country but it would be silly to suggest that western countries don't share a commonality and feel some sort of kinship towards eachother. He in a way represents us as in the Wests way of life

Yeah, I don't disagree with what you're saying. But it does kind of endorse the nature of the Trump protest which has mostly been carried out by people who claim to be aware of the world's injustice but seem quite blinkered in which cause they choose to stand against. (I am not referring to anyone specifically on this site, I'm making a general statement.) It's a similar position, I think, to Russia bombing the bejesus out of Aleppo and the Stop The War Coalition, who are aggressive in their opposition to the involvement of the UK and the USA but who were ominously silent about Russia. If you're going to be outraged, you're going to have to be outraged about all of them. We've hosted more odious people than Trump, and in any case, I wouldn't be at all surprised if his term of office is considerably less than four years. And I'd be happy with that.

[Tom4784]

From my point of view, I think the problem people have with Trump (and why it's not publicised as much as the example you gave) is because he's a leader of a Western country, like the UK, like Ireland, like Australia etc etc So, it feels like he's speaking for us in a way, as a western society. It's like everytime there's a terror attack in a Western country or not even a terror attack any type of disaster or tragedy, it's publicised much more in our media because it feels more relate-able, we're not part of the same country but it would be silly to suggest that western countries don't share a commonality and feel some sort of kinship towards eachother. He in a way represents us as in the Wests way of life

Exactly.

[Tom4784]

Yeah, I don't disagree with what you're saying. But it does kind of endorse the nature of the Trump protest which has mostly been carried out by people who claim to be aware of the world's injustice but seem quite blinkered in which cause they choose to stand against. (I am not referring to anyone specifically on this site, I'm making a general statement.) It's a similar position, I think, to Russia bombing the bejesus out of Aleppo and the Stop The War Coalition, who are aggressive in their opposition to the involvement of the UK and the USA but who were ominously silent about Russia. If you're going to be outraged, you're going to have to be outraged about all of them. We've hosted more odious people than Trump, and in any case, I wouldn't be at all surprised if his term of office is considerably less than four years. And I'd be happy with that.

I think this point is just plain silly and various versions of it have been brought up repeatedly in this thrad. People are allowed to care about whichever causes they want to choose to care about. They don't have to fulfill some sort of protest quota to validate their opinion.

I could probably go into any thread and say 'well that point of view is irrelevant since you don't care about all these other issues relating to the subject at hand so your opinion is invalid.' It's just a lazy way of trying to shut down someone's opinion without dealing with their argument.

[Niamh.]

Yeah, I don't disagree with what you're saying. But it does kind of endorse the nature of the Trump protest which has mostly been carried out by people who claim to be aware of the world's injustice but seem quite blinkered in which cause they choose to stand against. (I am not referring to anyone specifically on this site, I'm making a general statement.) It's a similar position, I think, to Russia bombing the bejesus out of Aleppo and the Stop The War Coalition, who are aggressive in their opposition to the involvement of the UK and the USA but who were ominously silent about Russia. If you're going to be outraged, you're going to have to be outraged about all of them. We've hosted more odious people than Trump, and in any case, I wouldn't be at all surprised if his term of office is considerably less than four years. And I'd be happy with that.

Again, it goes back to my original point, Putin is basically a dictator of a communist country, he isn't "one of us" the UK and the USA are, so we(the royal we) feel like they will listen to us, It's hard to articulate what i mean to say. Do you understand what I mean?

Putin is a nut job, the Russians hold very different values to us as a society where as the USA in general are quite like us, alot of them are unhappy with how things are in the States atm too. I don't think people protesting about Russia would make any bit of difference but it might do in a democratic and free society like ours.

ETA :

Basically imo ISIS is succeeding even more than we think by dividing Western society, pitting us all against eachother and destroying the values we spent years building. Trump is an example of this especially, building walls, banning refugees, hang up on other western world leaders, making us enemies rather than allies. In my opinion this is a more successful terrorist attack on our society than any of the bombs they set off

[DemolitionRed]

There is absolutely no doubt that Trumps presidency will have a rubbing off effect on the UK; why wouldn't it when the U.S is our biggest ally?

[Alf]

There is absolutely no doubt that Trumps presidency will have a rubbing off effect on the UK; why wouldn't it when the U.S is our biggest ally?I'd love to get rubbed off by an American.

[Brillopad]

I think this point is just plain silly and various versions of it have been brought up repeatedly in this thrad. People are allowed to care about whichever causes they want to choose to care about. They don't have to fulfill some sort of protest quota to validate their opinion.

I could probably go into any thread and say 'well that point of view is irrelevant since you don't care about all these other issues relating to the subject at hand so your opinion is invalid.' It's just a lazy way of trying to shut down someone's opinion without dealing with their argument.

Just as people can choose to leave Europe and oppose mass immigration.

[Tom4784]

Just as people can choose to leave Europe and oppose mass immigration.

That has nothing to do with what I'm saying but okay? Thank you for stating the obvious, I guess?

[Brillopad]

That has nothing to do with what I'm saying but okay? Thank you for stating the obvious, I guess?

It's about freedom of choice and validity of opinion so it's relevant.

[Tom4784]

It's about freedom of choice and validity of opinion so it's relevant.

Not really since I wasn't arguing against people having the right to say if they want to leave the EU or if they want immigration control?

You're basically just repeating what I've been saying all along...

[Brillopad]

Not really since I wasn't arguing against people having the right to say if they want to leave the EU or if they want immigration control?

You're basically just repeating what I've been saying all along...

It's about the principle not the subject matter. Freedom of choice is freedom of choice - it isn't for some to say they should be able to choose this but others should not be able to choose that.

[Kizzy]

You started this whole ridiculous, off-topic discussion when you replied to a post of mine that I made to someone else. I'd call that nit picking.

Aaaanyhoo.... back on topic.

I see that Kuwait has stopped issuing visas for five majority Muslim countries, including Pakistan. Racists and Nazis? Can we expect some outraged protesters outside the Kuwaiti embassy today, or is the issue just with Trump? Interestingly, there's no word of the Kuwaiti ban in mainstream media. Funny that.

Nope I questioned if it was offensive, it's a debate .... I got involved in the debate.
Once again you attempt to muddy the waters by deferring to other parts of the world those of which you could never consider as part of the free world, or have any cultural connection whatsoever to western cultural norms.

So yes, it is just with trump, for the reasons outlined above, there is a duty to remain progressive. .. To accept so readily regressive autocratic decisions from him is funny.
No that's the wrong word not funny......horrifying, yes, that's a better word.

[Livia]

Again, it goes back to my original point, Putin is basically a dictator of a communist country, he isn't "one of us" the UK and the USA are, so we(the royal we) feel like they will listen to us, It's hard to articulate what i mean to say. Do you understand what I mean?

Putin is a nut job, the Russians hold very different values to us as a society where as the USA in general are quite like us, alot of them are unhappy with how things are in the States atm too. I don't think people protesting about Russia would make any bit of difference but it might do in a democratic and free society like ours.

ETA :

Basically imo ISIS is succeeding even more than we think by dividing Western society, pitting us all against eachother and destroying the values we spent years building. Trump is an example of this especially, building walls, banning refugees, hang up on other western world leaders, making us enemies rather than allies. In my opinion this is a more successful terrorist attack on our society than any of the bombs they set off

I do understand what you're saying. However... I don't agree that people in the UK and Ireland (etc) are only interested in Trump because he is Western. People are concerned about the Middle East, they are concerned about Syria, North Africa, they're aware of the refugee crisis etc. In these times of mass media we can all see what's going on the world over. So I find it hard to believe that people don't demonstrate against non-western dickheads because they don't identify with them.

And Trump is a dickhead, I totally buy that.

[Livia]

I think this point is just plain silly and various versions of it have been brought up repeatedly in this thrad. People are allowed to care about whichever causes they want to choose to care about. They don't have to fulfill some sort of protest quota to validate their opinion.

I could probably go into any thread and say 'well that point of view is irrelevant since you don't care about all these other issues relating to the subject at hand so your opinion is invalid.' It's just a lazy way of trying to shut down someone's opinion without dealing with their argument.

From everything I said in my thread, that's all you took? The opportunity to intimate I'm silly and lazy and like to shut down people's opinions? I think you'll find the rest of my post was relevant but you chose not to address any other part if it.

[Niamh.]

I do understand what you're saying. However... I don't agree that people in the UK and Ireland (etc) are only interested in Trump because he is Western. People are concerned about the Middle East, they are concerned about Syria, North Africa, they're aware of the refugee crisis etc. In these times of mass media we can all see what's going on the world over. So I find it hard to believe that people don't demonstrate against non-western dickheads because they don't identify with them.

And Trump is a dickhead, I totally buy that.

I know you aren't a Trump fan, don't worry :laugh:

I can't speak for everyone who is anti trump etc but that is how I feel about it anyway, I worry that our western society is going backwards or in a direction I don't like

[Tom4784]

It's about the principle not the subject matter. Freedom of choice is freedom of choice - it isn't for some to say they should be able to choose this but others should not be able to choose that.

Why are you basically repeating at me what I've been saying the entire thread?

[Tom4784]

From everything I said in my thread, that's all you took? The opportunity to intimate I'm silly and lazy and like to shut down people's opinions? I think you'll find the rest of my post was relevant but you chose not to address any other part if it.

I said that the argument you were making was silly and lazy, not you.

Also your post was pretty much summed up in the part I bolded, You weren't saying anything other than the people who oppose Trump should also oppose Russia's actions in Aleppo which was essentially what you were saying in the bolded point, thus speaking about the rest of the post is pointless, it's an example not an argument.

[arista]

I know you aren't a Trump fan, don't worry :laugh:

I can't speak for everyone who is anti trump etc but that is how I feel about it anyway, I worry that our western society is going backwards or in a direction I don't like


Fine Lady
its good for free trade
8 years of a better way of life.


Folks can protest forever
it changes nothing.




Business is as Usual
no fuss is needed.

[DemolitionRed]

Fine Lady
its good for free trade
8 years of a better way of life..

A better way of life for who?




Folks can protest forever
it changes nothing..

And the alternative?
To role over and take it like a bitch?



Business is as Usual
no fuss is needed.

But its not business as usual for many Americans is it?

[Brillopad]

Nope I questioned if it was offensive, it's a debate .... I got involved in the debate.
Once again you attempt to muddy the waters by deferring to other parts of the world those of which you could never consider as part of the free world, or have any cultural connection whatsoever to western cultural norms.

So yes, it is just with trump, for the reasons outlined above, there is a duty to remain progressive. .. To accept so readily regressive autocratic decisions from him is funny.
No that's the wrong word not funny......horrifying, yes, that's a better word.

I don't really see the logic of only holding progressive societies to account and letting more primitive ones off the hook because they are more primitive.

The Saudis for instance are hardly primitive, they just choose to hide behind it when it suits and the same pretty much applies to the rest of them.

When there are plenty of Western mugs out there defending their primitiveness to the hilt they are laughing their stinking sandals off.

I thought the general belief in this country was 'ignorance was no defence'. Just one rule for them then. :shrug: I find that pretty horrifying!

[DemolitionRed]

Unless you are interested enough, you won't know about the mass protests against drones in Syria, the anti war coalition or protests against the cruel Indian PM visiting the UK etc, etc, but, at this moment in time, Trump is the hot topic on everyone's lips and that's why this topic is about Trump and not all the other protests that go on in and around parliament.

[Northern Monkey]

Yeah, I don't disagree with what you're saying. But it does kind of endorse the nature of the Trump protest which has mostly been carried out by people who claim to be aware of the world's injustice but seem quite blinkered in which cause they choose to stand against. (I am not referring to anyone specifically on this site, I'm making a general statement.) It's a similar position, I think, to Russia bombing the bejesus out of Aleppo and the Stop The War Coalition, who are aggressive in their opposition to the involvement of the UK and the USA but who were ominously silent about Russia. If you're going to be outraged, you're going to have to be outraged about all of them. We've hosted more odious people than Trump, and in any case, I wouldn't be at all surprised if his term of office is considerably less than four years. And I'd be happy with that.
Totally agree

[Northern Monkey]

I think this point is just plain silly and various versions of it have been brought up repeatedly in this thrad. People are allowed to care about whichever causes they want to choose to care about. They don't have to fulfill some sort of protest quota to validate their opinion.

I could probably go into any thread and say 'well that point of view is irrelevant since you don't care about all these other issues relating to the subject at hand so your opinion is invalid.' It's just a lazy way of trying to shut down someone's opinion without dealing with their argument.

It's not lazy it's pointing out blatant hypocrisy.
It's not about "not caring about all these other issues".
The post you quoted mentioned the 'Stop the war coalition'.
An obvious anti-western organisation who have been quoted as saying they "oppose the west"
"The real enemy, Mr Nineham informed listeners, is the West: “Everyone who has got a sense of duty for the peace of the planet needs to mobilise everything they can against that and that means opposing the West.”

Another quote

Take this quote from 2006 by John Rees, the national officer of Stop the War: “Socialists should unconditionally stand with the oppressed against the oppressor [a STW euphemism for the West], even if the people who run the oppressed country are undemocratic and persecute minorities, like Saddam Hussein.”

Oh and

'But in the context of STW’s other leaders, siding with Saddam is almost moderate. Its former chair, Andrew Murray, is a proud Stalinist who on the anniversary of his hero’s birth attacked "hack propagandists [who] abominate the name of Stalin beyond all others".

Unsurprisingly, he reveres North Korea, and has pointed out that his “basic position of solidarity with People[']s Korea [is] clear”.

Many of(not all) these protesters are communist and have anti western views.
It's not a lazy argument to point this out.There is a clear agenda with sections of these protests to support anyone who is not on our side.
If they're against western involvement in Syria because it is seen as unnecessary killing then why wouldn't they be against Russia who actually are brutally killing civilians and blowing up aid convoys?It's part of the same "issue".Only the worst half of it apparently slips by these people.
Everyone rallying against Trump is fine.He is a liability but there is far far worse **** going on that many of these people don't care about or in worse cases (i.e Stop the war) actually support the brutal regimes.So it does appear extremely hypocritical.When we get protests outside the Russian embassy aswell and against the brutal dictators killing people on the daily and against terror attacks on western soil then maybe anti Trump protests won't look so hypocritical.








https://www.google.co.uk/amp/www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2016/10/12/stop-the-war-oppose-the-west-and-support-dictators-they-are-trai/amp/?client=safari

[Tom4784]

It's not lazy it's pointing out blatant hypocrisy.
It's not about "not caring about all these other issues".
The post you quoted mentioned the 'Stop the war coalition'.
An obvious anti-western organisation who have been quoted as saying they "oppose the west"
"The real enemy, Mr Nineham informed listeners, is the West: “Everyone who has got a sense of duty for the peace of the planet needs to mobilise everything they can against that and that means opposing the West.”

Another quote

Take this quote from 2006 by John Rees, the national officer of Stop the War: “Socialists should unconditionally stand with the oppressed against the oppressor [a STW euphemism for the West], even if the people who run the oppressed country are undemocratic and persecute minorities, like Saddam Hussein.”

Oh and

'But in the context of STW’s other leaders, siding with Saddam is almost moderate. Its former chair, Andrew Murray, is a proud Stalinist who on the anniversary of his hero’s birth attacked "hack propagandists [who] abominate the name of Stalin beyond all others".

Unsurprisingly, he reveres North Korea, and has pointed out that his “basic position of solidarity with People[']s Korea [is] clear”.

Many of(not all) these protesters are communist and have anti western views.
It's not a lazy argument to point this out.There is a clear agenda with sections of these protests to support anyone who is not on our side.
If they're against western involvement in Syria because it is seen as unnecessary killing then why wouldn't they be against Russia who actually are brutally killing civilians and blowing up aid convoys?It's part of the same "issue".Only the worst half of it apparently slips by these people.
Everyone rallying against Trump is fine.He is a liability but there is far far worse **** going on that many of these people don't care about or in worse cases (i.e Stop the war) actually support the brutal regimes.So it does appear extremely hypocritical.When we get protests outside the Russian embassy aswell and against the brutal dictators killing people on the daily and against terror attacks on western soil then maybe anti Trump protests won't look so hypocritical.








https://www.google.co.uk/amp/www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2016/10/12/stop-the-war-oppose-the-west-and-support-dictators-they-are-trai/amp/?client=safari

And none of this affects people's right to choose to protest Trump or any issue they personally care about.

[Northern Monkey]

Stop The war Coalition showing great support and solidarity for the victims of the Paris attacks -
Green MP Caroline Lucas has quit as patron of the controversial Stop the War Coalition after the group claimed Paris had “reaped the whirlwind of western support for extremist violence in Middle East”.

This statement was put out right after the attacks

http://m.huffpost.com/uk/entry/8748250

[Northern Monkey]

And none of this affects people's right to choose to protest Trump or any issue they personally care about.

It's not a "silly" or "lazy" point of view though to ask just where the hell are these protesters when anyone other than our own country or the US are carrying out far worse atrocities.It is of course everyone's right to protest on whatever issue they choose.But to question what seems like a very one sided agenda is also anyone's right.Specially when an organisation called 'Stop The War' only wants to stop one side of it.

[Kizzy]

I don't really see the logic of only holding progressive societies to account and letting more primitive ones off the hook because they are more primitive.

The Saudis for instance are hardly primitive, they just choose to hide behind it when it suits and the same pretty much applies to the rest of them.

When there are plenty of Western mugs out there defending their primitiveness to the hilt they are laughing their stinking sandals off.

I thought the general belief in this country was 'ignorance was no defence'. Just one rule for them then. :shrug: I find that pretty horrifying!

What are you suggesting... It's ok for the western world to regress because thw rest of the world isn't progressive enough?
I've heard of fuzzy logic but jeeeeez

[Brillopad]

And none of this affects people's right to choose to protest Trump or any cissue they personally care about.

No but it shows their choice is not based on any reasoned argument, just personal opinion and has bugger all to do being right.

So getting off their high horses would be appropriate if they don't want to be exposed as complete hypocrites.

[Kizzy]

It's not a "silly" or "lazy" point of view though to ask just where the hell are these protesters when anyone other than our own country or the US are carrying out far worse atrocities.It is of course everyone's right to protest on whatever issue they choose.But to question what seems like a very one sided agenda is also anyone's right.Specially when an organisation called 'Stop The War' only wants to stop one side of it.

It is silly Russia are not part of NATO are they?
There has to be a degree of realism to what you are protesting about, a protest in the country who is doing the shelling is going to have more gravitas as it shows it is not what that country wants as a people.

Of course nobody who opposes war suggests that the UK and US are wrong and Russia right, that is ridiculous.

[arista]

The USA President
will come to Great Britain in June
protest away
no one can stop this visit,

[Kizzy]

The Speaker of the House of Commons, John Bercow, has said that Donald Trump should not be given the honour of speaking to parliament in Westminster Hall because of the Commons’ opposition to “racism and sexism”.

Bercow said being invited to give a speech in Westminster Hall for a foreign leader was an “earned honour”. And it was not an invitation that automatically comes with a state visit, he says.

He said he was one of three people that would have to approve an invitation to someone to speak in Westminster Hall. He would have been opposed to an address by President Trump in Westminster Hall even before the migrant ban. Since that ban, he is even more opposed to it.


https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2017/feb/06/donald-trump-should-not-be-allowed-to-speak-in-westminster-hall-says-speaker

[Alf]

The Speaker of the House of Commons, John Bercow, has said that Donald Trump should not be given the honour of speaking to parliament in Westminster Hall because of the Commons’ opposition to “racism and sexism”.

Bercow said being invited to give a speech in Westminster Hall for a foreign leader was an “earned honour”. And it was not an invitation that automatically comes with a state visit, he says.

He said he was one of three people that would have to approve an invitation to someone to speak in Westminster Hall. He would have been opposed to an address by President Trump in Westminster Hall even before the migrant ban. Since that ban, he is even more opposed to it.


https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2017/feb/06/donald-trump-should-not-be-allowed-to-speak-in-westminster-hall-says-speakerWhat a Cuck.

[Firewire]

Bye boo

[Kizzy]

That was quick...


Donald Trump will be blocked from addressing Parliament on his state visit to the UK, the Speaker of the House of Commons has said.

John Bercow, the Speaker, said he was "strongly opposed" to Mr Trump speaking in the Commons and that being invited was "not an automatic right" but "an earned honour".

“Before the imposition of the migrant ban I would myself have been strongly opposed to an address by President Trump in Westminster Hall," he told MPs in response to a point of order by an MP.

“After the imposition of the migrant ban by President Trump I am even more strongly opposed to an address by President Trump in Westminster Hall."

Parts of the Commons erupted into rare spontaneous applause in support of Mr Bercow's statement.

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/donald-trump-uk-state-visit-speaker-address-parliament-a7565651.html

[Crimson Dynamo]

Cut to Trump giving a rats arse.....

[DemolitionRed]

That was quick...


Donald Trump will be blocked from addressing Parliament on his state visit to the UK, the Speaker of the House of Commons has said.

John Bercow, the Speaker, said he was "strongly opposed" to Mr Trump speaking in the Commons and that being invited was "not an automatic right" but "an earned honour".

“Before the imposition of the migrant ban I would myself have been strongly opposed to an address by President Trump in Westminster Hall," he told MPs in response to a point of order by an MP.

“After the imposition of the migrant ban by President Trump I am even more strongly opposed to an address by President Trump in Westminster Hall."

Parts of the Commons erupted into rare spontaneous applause in support of Mr Bercow's statement.

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/donald-trump-uk-state-visit-speaker-address-parliament-a7565651.html

Interesting!


Trump is going to go down in history as the most unpopular President of the U.S.

[Kizzy]

As long as that's all I'm happy :laugh:

[Withano]

That was quick...


Donald Trump will be blocked from addressing Parliament on his state visit to the UK, the Speaker of the House of Commons has said.

John Bercow, the Speaker, said he was "strongly opposed" to Mr Trump speaking in the Commons and that being invited was "not an automatic right" but "an earned honour".

“Before the imposition of the migrant ban I would myself have been strongly opposed to an address by President Trump in Westminster Hall," he told MPs in response to a point of order by an MP.

“After the imposition of the migrant ban by President Trump I am even more strongly opposed to an address by President Trump in Westminster Hall."

Parts of the Commons erupted into rare spontaneous applause in support of Mr Bercow's statement.

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/donald-trump-uk-state-visit-speaker-address-parliament-a7565651.html

:clap1:
Ready for all the people who thought for his right to do so suddenly not care either way.

[MTVN]

Yet Bercow welcomed the Emir of Kuwait and allowed him to address Parliament despite presiding over a country which bans Israeli passport holders and where homosexuality is illegal

[DrunkerThanMoses]

Cut to Trump giving a rats arse.....

Dont worry he will be tweeting at 4 oclock in the morning shouting more bull**** :bawling:

[Kazanne]

Yet Bercow welcomed the Emir of Kuwait and allowed him to address Parliament despite presiding over a country which bans Israeli passport holders and where homosexuality is illegal

This is what I don't understand,we have a president now who is very pro Britain,which is good for us, who will not be allowed to address parliament yet other statesmen such as from China etc have been allowed,Trump needs to prove himself,I don't get why some are running round like headless chickens,it's a shame parliament aren't as vocal with people in the country who wish to do us harm.he will come and go,unlike the hate preachers that are allowed to live in this country.

[thesheriff443]

As my dad as said for years,
A good man goes no where in politics.

[Crimson Dynamo]

Bercow is meant to be neutral hence his actual job, heaven only knows what he is doing (then again look at his judgements in love). He also called the US President racist and sexist. I have looked back at his time in office and can find zero evidence of this so what is he on about?

[Livia]

Yet Bercow welcomed the Emir of Kuwait and allowed him to address Parliament despite presiding over a country which bans Israeli passport holders and where homosexuality is illegal

Also, Kuwait has recently put a ban on visas for people from a number of Muslim countries, including Pakistan. I suppose that's somehow different from Trump doing it. And like I said, try getting into a Muslim country - any Muslim country - with a British passport with an Israeli stamp in it.

Clearly it's only worth protesting when it's about a Western leader. And by "Western" I mean UK and USA.

[Smithy]

Poor Trumpsters

[jennyjuniper]

Bercow is meant to be neutral hence his actual job, heaven only knows what he is doing (then again look at his judgements in love). He also called the US President racist and sexist. I have looked back at his time in office and can find zero evidence of this so what is he on about?

He is like many who spout buzzwords left,right and centre, without actually being able or willing to explain what he means by them.

[Crimson Dynamo]

And the signatures have now reached over 1.5 million :hehe:

Edited to add, I've put the trolls on ignore as all they do is bait for a reaction and I honestly can't be bothered.

oop it seems to have stalled at 1.8

looks like people got bored

:hehe:

[Withano]

oop it seems to have stalled at 1.8

looks like people got bored

:hehe:

6 times the petition in favour of Trump though. (The petition that doesnt get its own debate eespite it getting enough sigs)

[Livia]

This issue isn't a competition surrounding how many people signed a petition. It's like a silly points-scoring exercise, trying to have a debate in here. If you uphold the right the law allows for state visits, then you're a Trump supporter. I posted the petition supporting his visit as a way of showing that not everyone supports the hysterical opposition to a man who is not, in any way, the worst despot in the world but seems to have attracted the most attention.

If only there was as much passion about other world leaders, sadly there only seems to be a limited amount of bandwagons available at any one time.

[arista]

Poor Trumpsters
No We Love It
Smithy

[Withano]

This issue isn't a competition surrounding how many people signed a petition. It's like a silly points-scoring exercise, trying to have a debate in here. If you uphold the right the law allows for state visits, then you're a Trump supporter. I posted the petition supporting his visit as a way of showing that not everyone supports the hysterical opposition to a man who is not, in any way, the worst despot in the world but seems to have attracted the most attention.

If only there was as much passion about other world leaders, sadly there only seems to be a limited amount of bandwagons available at any one time.

If this petition supporting Trump's visit had started first, I wonder whether the anti-Trump people would have thought making their views known was a waste of time?

As far as I can see the petition supporting Trump's visit has not been going long but it's climbing up nicely, and the more people see it, the more people will sign it. I think it sends a good message to our biggest export customer, that no everyone in the UK thinks Trump should be singled out from all the other odious, questionable world leaders we entertain.

Well, the petition exists and now people who've had to listen to the endless rhetoric and histrionics since Trump was elected, have somewhere they can express their own view. That can only be good. Otherwise, just one side can harp on about how they have 1.5 million signatures and imagine theirs is the only voice. Let's see how this opposing petition goes, THEN we will have context because in the last half an hour it's risen from 89,000 odd signatures to 93,000 odd. It seems there are strong feelings on both sides.

Good. Although I don't agree with you I do uphold your right to your opinion and to voice it.

Heading for 110,000 signatures now. Creeping up, isn't it.

I think those opposing Trump and those... (I hesitate to say "supporting him" because I don't actually support him, any more than I supported Putin when he had a State visit... or when Mugabe did... or the Chinese...) and those who believe he should come because he is the president of the USA, is probably on a par numerically. However, as with Brexit, those against make the most noise, the squeaky wheel if you like. Those who find themselves in opposition to the noisy ones use the vote to voice their opinion. They did when the Tories unexpectedly gained a majority at the last general election, they did when we voted to leave Europe and they will now.

A discussion on this is difficult because those who oppose Trump intimate in what they write that if you aren't with them on this, then you're a hard-right, card-carrying, cross-burning fascist.

You were incredibly competative at one point, sure you can change your mind about whether its a competition or not, but you were certainly scoring your way through the 'in favour of Trump' thread, with running totals in nearly every post you made.

[Cherie]

Government responded:

HM Government believes the President of the United States should be extended the full courtesy of a State Visit. We look forward to welcoming President Trump once dates and arrangements are finalised.


During her visit to the United States on 27 January 2017, the Prime Minister, on behalf of Her Majesty the Queen, invited President Trump for a State Visit to the UK later this year. The invitation was accepted. This invitation reflects the importance of the relationship between the United States of America and the United Kingdom. At this stage, final dates have not yet been agreed for the State Visit.

Foreign and Commonwealth Office


when was this debated...

[MTVN]

Government responded:

HM Government believes the President of the United States should be extended the full courtesy of a State Visit. We look forward to welcoming President Trump once dates and arrangements are finalised.


During her visit to the United States on 27 January 2017, the Prime Minister, on behalf of Her Majesty the Queen, invited President Trump for a State Visit to the UK later this year. The invitation was accepted. This invitation reflects the importance of the relationship between the United States of America and the United Kingdom. At this stage, final dates have not yet been agreed for the State Visit.

Foreign and Commonwealth Office


when was this debated...

Apparently the government issue an official response to all petitions which get over 10,000 signatures. It will still be debated on 20 Feb

[Cherie]

Apparently the government issue an official response to all petitions which get over 10,000 signatures. It will still be debated on 20 Feb

ah I see thankyou!

[Kizzy]

Yep come trump, when parliament is shut obv...And not to London as the objection to a WESTERN leader with values such as yours ( it would be gauche of me to compare him to other world leaders with questionable human rights records) may not receive an altogether positive reception here.

How about a shopping centre in Milton Keynes? :joker:

[Livia]

Yep come trump, when parliament is shut obv...And not to London as the objection to a WESTERN leader with values such as yours ( it would be gauche of me to compare him to other world leaders with questionable human rights records) may not receive an altogether positive reception here.

How about a shopping centre in Milton Keynes? :joker:

Everyone who didn't object to Trump coming and cited other world leaders as a comparison, are now unsophisticated and socially awkward? Unlike those who opposed him, who are apparently very sophisticated and socially gregarious?

Non-Western leaders are not to be used in the discussion.... why? Are they not equal to Western leaders? How about South American despots, can we use them under your new rules?

Isn't this just another opportunity to slag off some people who disagree with you without saying anything constructive?

[Livia]

I'd love to wait longer for the reply but I have things to do today.

[Kizzy]

Everyone who didn't object to Trump coming and cited other world leaders as a comparison, are now unsophisticated and socially awkward? Unlike those who opposed him, who are apparently very sophisticated and socially gregarious?

Non-Western leaders are not to be used in the discussion.... why? Are they not equal to Western leaders? How about South American despots, can we use them under your new rules?

Isn't this just another opportunity to slag off some people who disagree with you without saying anything constructive?


I'm just a squeaky wheel, I don't make comparisons.

by definition no they aren't, we don't share democratic ideals, cultural or religious norms.
All world leaders are not uniform therefore our closest ties are usually with the ones with which we can identify and share mutually compatible civil liberties.

I am always constructive, and I have never 'slagged' anyone off.
That is my view on the subject, I appreciate yours differs.

[Kizzy]

I'd love to wait longer for the reply but I have things to do today.

Ok, have a super day.

[Crimson Dynamo]

this petition and parliament 100k thing needs scrapping