MPs vote to give May power to start Brexit by triggering article 50

[Denver]

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/blog/live/2017/feb/01/article-50-debate-vote-bill-pmqs-theresa-may-jeremy-corbyn-ivan-rogers-to-give-evidence-to-mps-about-why-he-quit-as-uks-ambassador-to-eu-politics-live

Here are the figures showing how MPs voted on the first vote, the SNP amendment.

For the amendment saying the bill should be blocked

SNP: 50

Labour: 33

Lib Dems: 7

SDLP: 3

Plaid Cymru: 2

Green: 1

Conservative: 1

Total: 100

Against the amendment

Conservatives: 319

DUP: 8

Labour: 6

UUP: 2

Ukip: 1

Total: 336

[Jack_]

So much for the subversion of democracy the court case was going to bring about...

:rolleyes:

[jaxie]

Great, let's get on with it then!

[user104658]

So much for the subversion of democracy the court case was going to bring about...

:rolleyes:

Exactly, maybe people will learn to just do things the legal way in the first place in future, instead of trying to hedge their bets through totalitarianism.

[Vicky.]

Am I right in thinking those numbers don't add up at all and a hell of a lot of MPs just didn't ****ing bother going? I really do think they should be removed from their positions if they can't be arsed to show up for votes and stuff.

1 Tory sacked tomorrow? :laugh:

[Vicky.]

The bill still has to get through another three days of debate in the Commons, and then it will go to the Lords, but with MPs backing it by such a large margin it now seems certain to clear all its parliamentary stages by the beginning of March.

I don't really understand all of this, but does this mean the Lords can block also?

All a mess...surely Cameron knew all of this already. I wonder if this is why he ****ed off to leave someone else to deal with his issues. Spineless prick.

[smudgie]

Am I right in thinking those numbers don't add up at all and a hell of a lot of MPs just didn't ****ing bother going? I really do think they should be removed from their positions if they can't be arsed to show up for votes and stuff.

1 Tory sacked tomorrow? :laugh:

I would think it was Ken Clarke, unless he abstained.

[Brillopad]

Great news.

[smudgie]

Great news.

Yeah, it was a given really.

[Kizzy]

I'm confused, why did they have the vote before the release of the white paper, what if there something in it that would sway MPs?

[arista]

I'm confused, why did they have the vote before the release of the white paper, what if there something in it that would sway MPs?


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[arista]

Great, let's get on with it then!


Yes
reported as March 10th
it's started.

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[arista]

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[user104658]

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Bull**** bulletpoints as always; all 50 SNP MP's fully supported the "will" of the people who elected them :). Plus the entire thing was regarding specifics and terms of Brexit, not "cancelling Brexit". Snooze. I am so ****ing bored of the idiot-press.

[user104658]

I'm confused, why did they have the vote before the release of the white paper, what if there something in it that would sway MPs?

Silly Kizzy you just answered your own question :joker:

[user104658]

All a mess...surely Cameron knew all of this already. I wonder if this is why he ****ed off to leave someone else to deal with his issues. Spineless prick.

I think that was pretty obvious as soon as the result was in :laugh:. He did NOT expect an "out" result and his reaction was, effectively, "Oh ****! LOL! Err, tell the staff to pack our bags Sam! We must flee!"

[arista]

Bull**** bulletpoints as always; all 50 SNP MP's fully supported the "will" of the people who elected them :). Plus the entire thing was regarding specifics and terms of Brexit, not "cancelling Brexit". Snooze. I am so ****ing bored of the idiot-press.


SNP
are wanting YOU Divorced from us TS
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Are you ready Punk?
with respect

[user104658]

SNP
are wanting YOU Divorced from us TS
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Are you ready Punk?
with respect

I'm Scottish, my wife is English, so we will always be able to live in either country. Once she's finished University and qualified in her field, we will pretty much be able to live wherever we want...

So being totally honest, I don't give all that much of a **** any more. We'll live wherever we get the best deal :joker:.

[Livia]

It was always going to be the result. Imagine if we'd voted to remain in the EU and someone brought a court case forcing a parliamentary vote which might lead to us leaving.

Imagine if Scotland had voted to leave the UK and someone had brought a court case allowing parliament to overrule the referendum.

Outrage would ensue...

So all that happened in the end was that a lot of lawyers have ended up with taxpayers money for fighting a futile court case.

[jaxie]

Bull**** bulletpoints as always; all 50 SNP MP's fully supported the "will" of the people who elected them :). Plus the entire thing was regarding specifics and terms of Brexit, not "cancelling Brexit". Snooze. I am so ****ing bored of the idiot-press.

Well I do have to point out in the interest of fairness that quite a lot of Scots voted to leave too so not quite representing all of the people who voted for them. :shrug: There were some Scottish constituencies that had a majority leave vote, mostly the fishing communities who have suffered so much from the common fisheries policy over the years. So in fact their MP must have voted against them.

[jaxie]

I think that was pretty obvious as soon as the result was in :laugh:. He did NOT expect an "out" result and his reaction was, effectively, "Oh ****! LOL! Err, tell the staff to pack our bags Sam! We must flee!"

I think he will be remembered in history as the PM who gave a vote on a major change without any back up plan for the change. What was he thinking? Total tool basically.

[jaxie]

It was always going to be the result. Imagine if we'd voted to remain in the EU and someone brought a court case forcing a parliamentary vote which might lead to us leaving.

Imagine if Scotland had voted to leave the UK and someone had brought a court case allowing parliament to overrule the referendum.

Outrage would ensue...

So all that happened in the end was that a lot of lawyers have ended up with taxpayers money for fighting a futile court case.

Seeing the results of the court case in Parliament it's hard not to feel what a complete and utter waste of everyone's time from Gina and her cronies.

[Northern Monkey]

Diane Abbott threw a sicky for the vote saying she had a migraine but then was seen down the road involved in a debate apparently.

[Northern Monkey]

I think that was pretty obvious as soon as the result was in :laugh:. He did NOT expect an "out" result and his reaction was, effectively, "Oh ****! LOL! Err, tell the staff to pack our bags Sam! We must flee!"Yeah i'm pretty sure this is the case.I even remember him 'confirming' in parliament that he would be staying in office to oversee the results.It seems he was very confident of a remain result.Too confident.

Edited to add:that i think winning the GE made him over confident and complacent that whatever the Tories position was the public would follow suit.

Edited again to add:I think a big part of the leave result was down to Cameron coming back from his tour of Europe with his tail between his legs and getting next to nothing from them after saying he was going to reform the EU etc etc and get a better arrangement for Britain.

[Northern Monkey]

Seeing the results of the court case in Parliament it's hard not to feel what a complete and utter waste of everyone's time from Gina and her cronies.

Yeah she's probably planning her next attempt to put the brakes on Brexit as we speak.It kind of backfired on her.She got a vote in Parliament which did nothing for her cause.

[Scarlett.]

It was always going to be the result. Imagine if we'd voted to remain in the EU and someone brought a court case forcing a parliamentary vote which might lead to us leaving.

Imagine if Scotland had voted to leave the UK and someone had brought a court case allowing parliament to overrule the referendum.

Outrage would ensue...

So all that happened in the end was that a lot of lawyers have ended up with taxpayers money for fighting a futile court case.

The court case existed because May was going about the whole situation undemocratically, not to block Brexit. Parliament exists for a reason, May was trying to bypass it.

[Northern Monkey]

The court case existed because May was going about the whole situation undemocratically, not to block Brexit. Parliament exists for a reason, May was trying to bypass it.

:joker:
No.
No one really believes that:laugh:

Gina Miller was an ardent remainer and was quoted as feeling physically sick at the Brexit result.

[Scarlett.]

:joker:
No.
No one really believes that:laugh:

Gina Miller was an ardent remainer and was quoted as feeling physically sick at the Brexit result.

You don't believe that Theresa May was being undemocratic, by not involving parliament in the decision to trigger Article 50?

[Northern Monkey]

You don't believe that Theresa May was being undemocratic, by not involving parliament in the decision to trigger Article 50?

No,I don't believe that was the reason for the Wrexiteers bringing about the case.Gina and her cronies were trying to throw a spanner in the works and possibly even put a stop to Brexit.They knew that was their only route as they could'nt directly go against the will of the people.They had lawyers searching for anything they could or any loophole and that's what they came up with.In my humble opinion of course.

[Livia]

The court case existed because May was going about the whole situation undemocratically, not to block Brexit. Parliament exists for a reason, May was trying to bypass it.

Presumably because she was aware, as were most people, that if Parliament blocked Brexit there would be civil unrest. Now we've had the expensive court case, parliament's initially voted in support of May and we're back to where we were before anyone decided it was illegal. Like I said previously, all that's changed is that a lot of lawyers will be sending in higher tax returns next year.

[Livia]

No,I don't believe that was the reason for the Wrexiteers bringing about the case.Gina and her cronies were trying to throw a spanner in the works and possibly even put a stop to Brexit.They knew that was their only route as they could'nt directly go against the will of the people.They had lawyers searching for anything they could or any loophole and that's what they came up with.In my humble opinion of course.

And now she wants to work with the government on Brexit! LOL... what a bloody neck the woman has.

[Northern Monkey]

And now she wants to work with the government on Brexit! LOL... what a bloody neck the woman has.

I wouldn't let her anywhere near it if i were PM.She wants to be a mole more like and find a way to cause trouble.

[arista]

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[Brillopad]

I wouldn't let her anywhere near it if i were PM.She wants to be a mole more like and find a way to cause trouble.

Indeed she is. Wouldn't trust the woman further than I could sling her. Far too full of her own importance.