peoples problem with jedward

[Beso]

i don't get it.

they have been a joy to behold, the only hm not to isolate kim shows maturity in my opinion. also they have shown great maturity in their opinions and views on the other hm. the perception that they show is undoubtedly the best in the house and they have me nodding away at the telly when they share them with us.

I think peoples problem with them lies in the fact that they don't see them as 25 yr olds, the reason for this i believe not to be their maturity levels but the fact that they don't look 25.

take the bathing and gstring episode where they were having a laugh, i read a few derogotary comments on here about how it looked..i doubt anything would have been said if it were a more muscular 25yr old doing the same thing.

i may be wrong though, but i don't think i am.

[Niamh.]

Whatever the reason I don't get the pure vitriol they invoke from some people, I mean dislike them or don't find them funny whatever but seriously, they're pretty harmless :laugh:

[Jamie89]

I'm not sure, obviously people have different tastes in HM's but I don't think they've done anything so bad to get quite the level of hate they sometimes get. I think they're a lot of fun and they're good people, and everyone's different and looks different but overall they have a lot of maturity (as well as a lot of immaturity... people can be both), but I don't see why their immature side is such a problem either.

[Beso]

Whatever the reason I don't get the pure vitriol they invoke from some people, I mean dislike them or don't find them funny whatever but seriously, they're pretty harmless :laugh:

i have seen some really awful comments this season regarding jedward. Stuff that insinuates incest and abuse..disgusting in my opinion..something an internet troll would post on their twitter. it surprises me how other members can support and stick up for other members who post such vile and nasy stuff..but thats the internet i suppose.

[Denver]

Jealousy

[hot2go]

A lot of it is people who started out with either a dislike or an indifference to Jedward but unlike the rest of us they cant admit they were wrong....or accept that the guys are more endearing these days then they are annoying.

[user104658]

It seems like a small number of people with a LOT to say to be honest, which is making it seem like there's more hate for them than there actually is.

[Niamh.]

i have seen some really awful comments this season regarding jedward. Stuff that insinuates incest and abuse..disgusting in my opinion..something an internet troll would post on their twitter. it surprises me how other members can support and stick up for other members who post such vile and nasy stuff..but thats the internet i suppose.

Any over the top comments like that about any HM will be removed. So people should report them

[Jimrod]

They're hated because they're Jedward, it's ingrained in people's consciousness since X-Factor... That said, despite their "antics" being childish I've found them to be witty, sharp and probably the most mature of the housemates outside James C. It feels ridiculous to say that but they handle almost every situation with composure and a smile, never swear to get their point across and don't seem to hold grudges. I never liked them before CBB, I do now.

[chuff me dizzy]

my problem is ....they are on my tv and have ruined CBB for me ,and thats a massive problem

[jaxie]

I agree OP I don't understand the dislike or derision. They haven't done anything wrong.

With regard the bathing, Jamie and Calum bathed together, I didn't find that much to look at either. I don't like all the tattoos, makes them look dirty.

[Tom4784]

They've been pretty great, a massive improvement over their last appearance.

I don't understand how anyone could hate them tbh, they are harmless.

[chuff me dizzy]

They're hated because they're Jedward, it's ingrained in people's consciousness since X-Factor... That said, despite their "antics" being childish I've found them to be witty, sharp and probably the most mature of the housemates outside James C. It feels ridiculous to say that but they handle almost every situation with composure and a smile, never swear to get their point across and don't seem to hold grudges. I never liked them before CBB, I do now.

I never watch X factor

[Jimrod]

I never watch X factor

But you prefer the other housemates? James C is riveting. As is Coleen. Nicola is a ****ing ****ity ****wit slag hole. I've forgotten Bianca is in there now they've got rid of the showmance.

[sampvt]

In order to assess this problem we must first question whether or not if all the antics they get up to are naturally forming or are the choreographed. I think if it was the former they would be detained at her majesties pleasure in some mental health facility, so have to agree that the later is the case.

So if all they do is choreographed, this can be seen as some as staged, ergo fake. So if they are acting out fake scenarios, we must then ask ourselves why. Is it for fun or self promotion. Seeing as how they have so much money spent on props in the form of clothes that aid and assist these fake actions, we must therefore conclude that they are not doing it ofr fun but self preservation and or forward slash promotion.

So what we have now are 2 men that falsely act the goat and use props and pre scripted actions to promote the brand they represent. This in itself buys into a very strong game playing scenario and we all know how much some people hate game players dont we. Its one thing to have fun, piss people off, act like a tosser and basically be a dick for effect, but to drive people nuts with inane baby talk and american accents for effect is one bridge too far.

''Are you all right Edward, yes I am John, shall we dance in the mirror and sing some really cool songs, yes Edward that will be cool, can we also piss nicola off when we are doing it, thats a swell idea bro, lets do it.. and so the deadwood act goes on. Basically they are man children with enormous egos and the worst comic act going.

[rusticgal]

They are harmless....they really just need to grow up. I like to see people interact...Jedward only interact with themselves overdosing us with the Jedward brand and talking about the Jedward fans like two 12 year old boys 'playing' at being pop stars.
...they even walk like 12 year olds.

I have just found them extremely irritating.

[sampvt]

They are harmless....they really just need to grow up. I like to see people interact...Jedward only interact with themselves overdosing us with the Jedward brand and talking about the Jedward fans like two 12 year old boys 'playing' at being pop stars.
...they even walk like 12 year olds.

I have just found them extremely irritating.

Irritating is one way of putting it, thats like saying loosing your leg in a land mine blast was mildly inconvenient. They are way past irritating, they are in need of help

[jaxie]

In order to assess this problem we must first question whether or not if all the antics they get up to are naturally forming or are the choreographed. I think if it was the former they would be detained at her majesties pleasure in some mental health facility, so have to agree that the later is the case.

So if all they do is choreographed, this can be seen as some as staged, ergo fake. So if they are acting out fake scenarios, we must then ask ourselves why. Is it for fun or self promotion. Seeing as how they have so much money spent on props in the form of clothes that aid and assist these fake actions, we must therefore conclude that they are not doing it ofr fun but self preservation and or forward slash promotion.

So what we have now are 2 men that falsely act the goat and use props and pre scripted actions to promote the brand they represent. This in itself buys into a very strong game playing scenario and we all know how much some people hate game players dont we. Its one thing to have fun, piss people off, act like a tosser and basically be a dick for effect, but to drive people nuts with inane baby talk and american accents for effect is one bridge too far.

''Are you all right Edward, yes I am John, shall we dance in the mirror and sing some really cool songs, yes Edward that will be cool, can we also piss nicola off when we are doing it, thats a swell idea bro, lets do it.. and so the deadwood act goes on. Basically they are man children with enormous egos and the worst comic act going.

And here we go with one of the posts we are talking about. First two lines they must be mentally deranged. :nono:

[Fetch The Bolt Cutters]

bitterness

[chuff me dizzy]

In order to assess this problem we must first question whether or not if all the antics they get up to are naturally forming or are the choreographed. I think if it was the former they would be detained at her majesties pleasure in some mental health facility, so have to agree that the later is the case.

So if all they do is choreographed, this can be seen as some as staged, ergo fake. So if they are acting out fake scenarios, we must then ask ourselves why. Is it for fun or self promotion. Seeing as how they have so much money spent on props in the form of clothes that aid and assist these fake actions, we must therefore conclude that they are not doing it ofr fun but self preservation and or forward slash promotion.

So what we have now are 2 men that falsely act the goat and use props and pre scripted actions to promote the brand they represent. This in itself buys into a very strong game playing scenario and we all know how much some people hate game players dont we. Its one thing to have fun, piss people off, act like a tosser and basically be a dick for effect, but to drive people nuts with inane baby talk and american accents for effect is one bridge too far.

''Are you all right Edward, yes I am John, shall we dance in the mirror and sing some really cool songs, yes Edward that will be cool, can we also piss nicola off when we are doing it, thats a swell idea bro, lets do it.. and so the deadwood act goes on. Basically they are man children with enormous egos and the worst comic act going.

Wow ,the post of the series and sums them up to a T

[sampvt]

And here we go with one of the posts we are talking about. First two lines they must be mentally deranged. :nono:

so you think their actions are normal for 25 year olds, well maybe we need a rethink then.

[Niamh.]

They are harmless....they really just need to grow up. I like to see people interact...Jedward only interact with themselves overdosing us with the Jedward brand and talking about the Jedward fans like two 12 year old boys 'playing' at being pop stars.
...they even walk like 12 year olds.

I have just found them extremely irritating.

This, imo, is a perfectly acceptable and normal reaction to not liking them, i fully get your reasons. I think you either find them funny and endearing or you don't :love:

[rusticgal]

Irritating is one way of putting it, thats like saying loosing your leg in a land mine blast was mildly inconvenient. They are way past irritating, they are in need of help


:joker:...

The thing is their immaturity just isn't 'normal' IMO...their behaviour isn't 'normal'. There is no definition of normal but if my 25 year old son started making space suits out of cardboard boxes and used shaving foam to write all over my bathroom mirrors..I would feel the need to speak to a psychiatrist about it...
However in their defence...they don't swear and they do make good points about people in the diary room...

[rusticgal]

This, imo, is a perfectly acceptable and normal reaction to not liking them, i fully get your reasons. I think you either find them funny and endearing or you don't :love:

They are marmite Niamh...

[Niamh.]

They are marmite Niamh...

definitely :laugh:

[Tom4784]

In order to assess this problem we must first question whether or not if all the antics they get up to are naturally forming or are the choreographed. I think if it was the former they would be detained at her majesties pleasure in some mental health facility, so have to agree that the later is the case.

So if all they do is choreographed, this can be seen as some as staged, ergo fake. So if they are acting out fake scenarios, we must then ask ourselves why. Is it for fun or self promotion. Seeing as how they have so much money spent on props in the form of clothes that aid and assist these fake actions, we must therefore conclude that they are not doing it ofr fun but self preservation and or forward slash promotion.

So what we have now are 2 men that falsely act the goat and use props and pre scripted actions to promote the brand they represent. This in itself buys into a very strong game playing scenario and we all know how much some people hate game players dont we. Its one thing to have fun, piss people off, act like a tosser and basically be a dick for effect, but to drive people nuts with inane baby talk and american accents for effect is one bridge too far.

''Are you all right Edward, yes I am John, shall we dance in the mirror and sing some really cool songs, yes Edward that will be cool, can we also piss nicola off when we are doing it, thats a swell idea bro, lets do it.. and so the deadwood act goes on. Basically they are man children with enormous egos and the worst comic act going.

Why do people take CBB so seriously?

[rusticgal]

In order to assess this problem we must first question whether or not if all the antics they get up to are naturally forming or are the choreographed. I think if it was the former they would be detained at her majesties pleasure in some mental health facility, so have to agree that the later is the case.

So if all they do is choreographed, this can be seen as some as staged, ergo fake. So if they are acting out fake scenarios, we must then ask ourselves why. Is it for fun or self promotion. Seeing as how they have so much money spent on props in the form of clothes that aid and assist these fake actions, we must therefore conclude that they are not doing it ofr fun but self preservation and or forward slash promotion.

So what we have now are 2 men that falsely act the goat and use props and pre scripted actions to promote the brand they represent. This in itself buys into a very strong game playing scenario and we all know how much some people hate game players dont we. Its one thing to have fun, piss people off, act like a tosser and basically be a dick for effect, but to drive people nuts with inane baby talk and american accents for effect is one bridge too far.

''Are you all right Edward, yes I am John, shall we dance in the mirror and sing some really cool songs, yes Edward that will be cool, can we also piss nicola off when we are doing it, thats a swell idea bro, lets do it.. and so the deadwood act goes on. Basically they are man children with enormous egos and the worst comic act going.

Good post..:cheer2:

[chuff me dizzy]

:joker:...

The thing is their immaturity just isn't 'normal' IMO...their behaviour isn't 'normal'. There is no definition of normal but if my 25 year old son started making space suits out of cardboard boxes and used shaving foam to write all over my bathroom mirrors..I would feel the need to speak to a psychiatrist about it...
However in their defence...they don't swear and they do make good points about people in the diary room...

Ive heard them drop the F bomb a couple of times on LF ...its the whole act in front of the mirrors when they are alone that makes my skin crawl, IF this was to entertain the hm8s it wouldn't be so bad ( who am I kidding,it would be every bit as bad ) but its not .....its to entertain themselves and its weird ,Coleen summed it up when she said they know how to grab the cameras, they always act up more when it going to be shown on eviction nights ....add to that they way they walk like cartoon characters with a metal rod rammed up their jacksies ...Everything about them is a show and its all fake

[ebandit]

sad that many started with such................set preconceived views...........

Mark L

go edward ...go john.....go jedward....................embrace the fun...........

[chuff me dizzy]

Why do people take CBB so seriously?

Its Sams opinion and he's entitled to it,and some of us agree with every word he's said

[Tom4784]

Its Sams opinion and he's entitled to it,and some of us agree with every word he's said

Congrats on stating the obvious :clap1:

Also, the right to an opinion goes both ways. Sam is entitled to his opinion and I'm entitled to comment on it.

Freedom of Speech does not only apply to people you agree with, Chuff.

[chuff me dizzy]

Congrats on stating the obvious :clap1:

Also, the right to an opinion goes both ways. Sam is entitled to his opinion and I'm entitled to comment on it.

Freedom of Speech does not only apply to people you agree with, Chuff.

But you didn't comment on what he had actually said

[Tom4784]

But you didn't comment on what he had actually said

Of course I did. My response was asking why people take CBB that seriously.

I couldn't imagine having the energy to write an essay on why I hate a CBB housemate.

[jaxie]

so you think their actions are normal for 25 year olds, well maybe we need a rethink then.

They seem perfectly normal to me, and they are pretty smart and intuitive about other housemates.

What is a 'normal' 25 year old? I've seen women and men of this age so drunk they can't walk home near the local pubs and clubs. Is that 'normal'?

[rocket]

my problem is ....they are on my tv and have ruined CBB for me ,and thats a massive problem

Totally agree...:dance:

[chuff me dizzy]

They seem perfectly normal to me, and they are pretty smart and intuitive about other housemates.

What is a 'normal' 25 year old? I've seen women and men of this age so drunk they can't walk home near the local pubs and clubs. Is that 'normal'?

Do you have a 25 GROWN MAN offspring ?

[Fetch The Bolt Cutters]

why tf are people dictating how a "normal" 25 year old should act :umm2:

this obsession with normality is repulsive

[Niamh.]

why tf are people dictating how a "normal" 25 year old should act :umm2:

this obsession with normality is repulsive

I know. At the end of the day they seem happy a whole lot more happy than any other person in that house, that's what I want for my kids, it's the most important thing in life imo

[Fetch The Bolt Cutters]

I know. At the end of the day they seem happy a whole lot more happy than any other person in that house, that's what I want for my kids, it's the most important thing in life imo
:clap2:

[Denver]

Jedward are what every 25 year old wishes they could be

[Stormy]

That's their brand and they play up to it. Same as most of them. Nicola's playing to her bitch brand...she openly says it. Even boring Calum was playing to his "I'm a gentleman" brand.

You either like them or you don't. Personally, I'm not on the pro-Jedward side (they annoy me to no end) but I'm on the anti-Nicola/Coleen side.

What's that saying? "The enemy of my enemy is my friend" (or something like that). :)

[rusticgal]

Why do people take CBB so seriously?




It's a social experiment...the forum is there for us to discuss housemates and judge them and comment on their behaviour and reactions. Some on this forum do it better than others and I love reading posts like that. It's part of it...we are all entitled to take as seriously and light hearted as we like. Why question someone's debate and depth they wish to go in analysing someone?? Sampvt makes some great points.

[rusticgal]

Jedward are what every 25 year old wishes they could be



Well not my 25 year old and neither would any of his mates.....he finds it embarressing to watch.

[joeysteele]

i don't get it.

they have been a joy to behold, the only hm not to isolate kim shows maturity in my opinion. also they have shown great maturity in their opinions and views on the other hm. the perception that they show is undoubtedly the best in the house and they have me nodding away at the telly when they share them with us.

I think peoples problem with them lies in the fact that they don't see them as 25 yr olds, the reason for this i believe not to be their maturity levels but the fact that they don't look 25.

take the bathing and gstring episode where they were having a laugh, i read a few derogotary comments on here about how it looked..i doubt anything would have been said if it were a more muscular 25yr old doing the same thing.

i may be wrong though, but i don't think i am.

Exactly, great post again.

I always say I get people may not get them and not like them as an act.

However the mental health inferences,.the sick near incest insinuations and also the shocking,just in my view, accusations against the character of their Mum are for me, way out of line.

[sampvt]

Exactly, great post again.

I always say I get people may not get them and not like them as an act.

However the mental health inferences,.the sick near incest insinuations and also the shocking,just in my view, accusations against the character of their Mum are for me, way out of line.

I have not read any character assassinations of their mum.The fact that she is their mum is academic. She is their manager, she pays herself a big wage and for the last 2 years their brand Planet Jedward has shown losses in excess of 250,000 while she still gets paid. Go figure that one. Secondly these poor kids have been pushed and guided for many years to provide wages for all around them and \i call this exploitation when it interferes with the way they have been made to grow up. If they were allowed to grow into adults, they wouldnt feel it necessary to baby speak or dance in the mirror and play dressy uppie.

[jaxie]

Do you have a 25 GROWN MAN offspring ?

I do have one in his twenties, yes. He is a wonderful son, works very hard in his career, still likes his mum to tickle his feet when he's sprawled on the sofa. Not seeing why it's relevant though.

[Marsh.]

I do have one in his twenties, yes. He is a wonderful son, works very hard in his career, still likes his mum to tickle his feet when he's sprawled on the sofa. Not seeing why it's relevant though.

:laugh2:

[Jack_]

This on season will be remembered differently to a lot of the others. Not in terms of the obsessive vitriol towards the housemates for once - although inevitably there's still been plenty of that - but in terms of people bandying about terms like 'real men' and 'normal 25 year old men' that they are seemingly unable to qualify.

Four weeks have passed and I am still yet to learn of what exactly constitutes a 'real' man (and indeed why that would be so), or what behaviour men at the age of 25 are and are not allowed to engage in, and also what exactly 'normal' entails. It shall forever remain a mystery :think:

[jaxie]

I do have one in his twenties, yes. He is a wonderful son, works very hard in his career, still likes his mum to tickle his feet when he's sprawled on the sofa. Not seeing why it's relevant though.

:umm2: Me when the sweaty feet escape the socks.

[joeysteele]

I have not read any character assassinations of their mum.The fact that she is their mum is academic. She is their manager, she pays herself a big wage and for the last 2 years their brand Planet Jedward has shown losses in excess of 250,000 while she still gets paid. Go figure that one. Secondly these poor kids have been pushed and guided for many years to provide wages for all around them and \i call this exploitation when it interferes with the way they have been made to grow up. If they were allowed to grow into adults, they wouldnt feel it necessary to baby speak or dance in the mirror and play dressy uppie.

You have said on here that she helps herself to their fortune.
Twice at least I have said I hope you had evidence to back up your accusations.
Even above you infer she takes money she shouldn't.
Susannah takes what her Sons tell her to.
In business terms, and business is up and down all the time, £250,000 are not great losses and far from being able to rebuild.

Their own wealth, thanks in part to their Mum's advice and guidance,remains intact.

You say poor boys in your post.
Lads you question the mental health of and choose to put down in extreme terms and insinuate their own Mum uses them.
Unbelievable.

[odd sock]

They are harmless....they really just need to grow up. I like to see people interact...Jedward only interact with themselves overdosing us with the Jedward brand and talking about the Jedward fans like two 12 year old boys 'playing' at being pop stars.
...they even walk like 12 year olds.

I have just found them extremely irritating.
THIS

[chuff me dizzy]

I have not read any character assassinations of their mum.The fact that she is their mum is academic. She is their manager, she pays herself a big wage and for the last 2 years their brand Planet Jedward has shown losses in excess of 250,000 while she still gets paid. Go figure that one. Secondly these poor kids have been pushed and guided for many years to provide wages for all around them and \i call this exploitation when it interferes with the way they have been made to grow up. If they were allowed to grow into adults, they wouldnt feel it necessary to baby speak or dance in the mirror and play dressy uppie.

I doubt they are allowed to be adults ,once they act grown up Jedward LTD CO is over ,as serious singers they would be laughed off every stage ,the are a joke act ,a novelty of 2 x 25 yr grown men acting as children ,once they grow up even the old people who are now their captive audience will demand to be removed from the room

[sampvt]

You have said on here that she helps herself to their fortune.
Twice at least I have said I hope you had evidence to back up your accusations.
Even above you infer she takes money she shouldn't.
Susannah takes what her Sons tell her to.
In business terms, and business is up and down all the time, £250,000 are not great losses and far from being able to rebuild.

Their own wealth, thanks in part to their Mum's advice and guidance,remains intact.

You say poor boys in your post.
Lads you question the mental health of and choose to put down in extreme terms and insinuate their own Mum uses them.
Unbelievable.

wrong

[Stormy]

This on season will be remembered differently to a lot of the others. Not in terms of the obsessive vitriol towards the housemates for once - although inevitably there's still been plenty of that, but in terms of people bandying about
terms like 'real men' and 'normal 25 year old men' that they are seemingly unable to qualify.

Four weeks have passed and I am still yet to learn of what exactly constitutes a 'real' man (and indeed why that would be so), or what behaviour men at the age of 25 are and are not allowed to engage in, and also what exactly 'normal' entails. It shall forever remain a mystery :think:

Great post. :clap1:

It's nice to see a little sanity amoung posts full of psychoanalyses and unsubstantiated accusations

[Vicky.]

This on season will be remembered differently to a lot of the others. Not in terms of the obsessive vitriol towards the housemates for once - although inevitably there's still been plenty of that, but in terms of people bandying about
terms like 'real men' and 'normal 25 year old men' that they are seemingly unable to qualify.

Four weeks have passed and I am still yet to learn of what exactly constitutes a 'real' man (and indeed why that would be so), or what behaviour men at the age of 25 are and are not allowed to engage in, and also what exactly 'normal' entails. It shall forever remain a mystery :think:
Yeah the 'real man' comments and such have been a little silly, given noone seems to know, or is willing to say what a 'real man' is.

I do think Jedward are odd though, I have to say that. Less odd than they used to be though, at least now they are no longer like bloody cartoon characters always happy and 'pranking'. Everyone who knows me on here knows I could not stand Jedward at all. but they have won me over by being more..human this time around. They have got angry, got bitchy and showed a range of emotions. They are no longer like a couple of robots on speed. Yes they are 'quirk'y and some things they do seem to be for the cameras only, but they are on bloody BB of course they will try to entertain. Because of this, I swallowed my pride and admitted I like them :laugh: I really hope they do win tonight. I suspect they won't but I would love them to.

[Liam-]

I don't like them because I find them sneaky, fake, highly irritating and they love to play the victim, some of the things I hate most in a housemate, the past 2 or 3 days Edward has grown on me, but his brother is like an anchor that drags him down all the time.

[RichardG]

I have not read any character assassinations of their mum.The fact that she is their mum is academic. She is their manager, she pays herself a big wage and for the last 2 years their brand Planet Jedward has shown losses in excess of 250,000 while she still gets paid. Go figure that one. Secondly these poor kids have been pushed and guided for many years to provide wages for all around them and \i call this exploitation when it interferes with the way they have been made to grow up. If they were allowed to grow into adults, they wouldnt feel it necessary to baby speak or dance in the mirror and play dressy uppie.

you know more about them than most of their fans on here

[power2thepeople]

It's been very strange reading some of the vitriol spewed about them for me. I couldn't give a monkeys about some yardstick by which we should all apparently measure maturity. I'm more likely to make judgements based on immorality than immaturity, particularly given that there have been a number of occasions when hms other than Jedward have acted in an immature manner loaded with malice too. Re the childlike act they have...Bear used it throughout..often in an incredibly goading way. But he split votes as folk found it entertaining and he won. Last season it may have been but the childlike act was applauded by some. Everyone is entitled to like the way a hm conducts himself but there seems to be no consistency in the hate for an act. Who cares if it's how they live their lives. They're not hurting anyone. There are many celebrities who keep a profile and make a living by being vile like Hopkins. In the great scheme of things I just think the level of hate for them is ridiculous in a world full of real nasty bas*****.:shrug:

[Beso]

It's been very strange reading some of the vitriol spewed about them for me. I couldn't give a monkeys about some yardstick by which we should all apparently measure maturity. I'm more likely to make judgements based on immorality than immaturity, particularly given that there have been a number of occasions when hms other than Jedward have acted in an immature manner loaded with malice too. Re the childlike act they have...Bear used it throughout..often in an incredibly goading way. But he split votes as folk found it entertaining and he won. Last season it may have been but the childlike act was applauded by some. Everyone is entitled to like the way a hm conducts himself but there seems to be no consistency in the hate for an act. Who cares if it's how they live their lives. They're not hurting anyone. There are many celebrities who keep a profile and make a living by being vile like Hopkins. In the great scheme of things I just think the level of hate for them is ridiculous in a world full of real nasty bas*****.:shrug:

:clap1:

Yes, i find it funny that people can say bear or marc wer outstanding hm and praise their actions then come out a year later and throw all sorts of insults to jedward who are doing much the same..just not as nasty.

[joeysteele]

wrong

Your posts on their Mum are there for to be seen and I have picked you up on those threads too.
Not wrong at all.