Jedward told Dad is on life support after BOTS

[Wizard.]

They were informed that their Dad is in a critical condition minutes after BOTS finished.

[LukeB]

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[Denver]

Sending my love their way

[Epic.]

Poor guy was probably nervous watching his boys, I hope he's proud

[MB.]

:worry:

[Drew.]

Why tf would they keep something like this from them? Surely coming out and being with their dad is more important than being in there?

[Niamh.]

seriously? why weren't they told that earlier?

[Stevep]

Why tf would they keep something like this from them? Surely coming out and being with their dad is more important than being in there?

Pretty admirable if you think about it, he put his sons first, they had the chance to reignite their career again in the house and i assume he didn't want to get in the way of that.

[smudgie]

Wow, close family.
If he really is fighting for his life then his sons should have been told, imagine him dying and them not saying goodbye...just for a realty show.
They soon went public with it as well, shame.

[Drew.]

Pretty admirable if you think about it, he put his sons first, they had the chance to reignite their career again in the house and i assume he didn't want to get in the way of that.

fair enough if this was their dads decision but they've done big brother before, this isn't a new thing for them that they have to experience. I'd go crazy if i wasn't told

[Jason.]

:sad:

[T*]

D:
That's horrible :( Hope everything will be okay

[Jake.]

what on earth

that's awful

[JEDWARDSMANNERISMS]

Wish they would have won. Love them, wish them all the best ������

[King Gizzard]

doubt he would have been able to convey if he wanted them to stay or leave if he was on life support..pretty bad not to tell them

[Amy Jade]

It must have been their mum not wanting them told.

[sampvt]

It must have been their mum not wanting them told.

Figures

[sampvt]

Forgive me for not stating the obvious, but if their dad was on life support or in a critical condition,he would be hardly capable of conveying his condition to his sons, so that responsibility would fall directly to their mum wouldn't it. That being the case and all things correctly considered, what kind of woman withholds such information just so her kids can win a game show. When I say kids, I mean cash cows.

This is totally disgusting. Think what would have happened if he had have passed away and they never got a chance to visit him and say their goodbyes. I simply cannot forgive this woman if indeed this is true. If it isnt i will apologise, but based on reports coming out, all they are saying is that he is in intensive care and the decision to withhold that info from the boys was taken by a close family member.

Latest reports show both parents were in on the decision but Im not buying how anyone on life support to be that compos mentos to make such decisions. Anyway its pretty bad whichever way it comes out. Him being a martyr is one thing, her agreeing is yet another.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/tvshowbiz/article-4190382/Jedward-s-dad-left-fighting-life-hospital.html

[Braden]

Ugh, my heart breaks for the two of them. That literally must be the worst news to receive after you're on such a high.

I hope he gets better.

[rionablue]

UNFORGIVEABLE they werent told. People have left the house in the past because loved ones have passed away or are very ill. Praying for them all. I would have cracked up if I hadnt been told by BB my loved one was that ill

[joeysteele]

Reports say critically ill, that could mean he needs some support but not necessarily unconscious,before the fierce jumping on their Mum begins.

Any patient insisting their illness is not made public and not told to someone has to be respected by all and not just medical staff.

Their Dad is proud of his sons, as long as he was critical but not life threatening,then he himself giving that instruction they were not to be informed, then no added stress would be allowed as to him concerning same.

I am sure they will be at his side and he,like their Mum will be really proud of them and their result on CBB.

Really hope their Dad improves and gets well soon.

[jaxie]

How terrible for them. I hope they get to see their dad before anything terrible happens. My own father died in slightly unusual circumstances, he had a flight related stroke after arriving on holiday and died abroad. He was disabled and diabetic but had been given good health checks to have the holiday. I never got to see him and by the time his remains came home was advised not to see him like that too. So basically my dad went off on his holidays to Portugal and a coffin came back. I know he's gone but I've never really had closure and you are left with a vague surreal feeling that it's not real. I don't wish that on them it's not easy to come to terms with.

For those criticising their mother. It's a difficult situation and we should all walk a mile in someone else's shoes before criticism on something like this. Also for all we know he could have been taken ill during last night's show and the news didn't arrive until they were told. Let's rise above and try not to go there, and hope for them it all turns out better than it did for me.

[joeysteele]

How terrible for them. I hope they get to see their dad before anything terrible happens. My own father died in slightly unusual circumstances, he had a flight related stroke after arriving on holiday and died abroad. He was disabled and diabetic but had been given good health checks to have the holiday. I never got to see him and by the time his remains came home was advised not to see him like that too. So basically my dad went off on his holidays to Portugal and a coffin came back. I know he's gone but I've never really had closure and you are left with a vague surreal feeling that it's not real. I don't wish that on them it's not easy to come to terms with.

For those criticising their mother. It's a difficult situation and we should all walk a mile in someone else's shoes before criticism on something like this. Also for all we know he could have been taken ill during last night's show and the news didn't arrive until they were told. Let's rise above and try not to go there, and hope for them it all turns out better than it did for me.


Sorry to read your tragic experience jaxie.
Thank you for sharing it with us.

A very compelling post from you as to your own really sad account and also as to the Twins Father's current illness.

[Cherie]

How terrible for them. I hope they get to see their dad before anything terrible happens. My own father died in slightly unusual circumstances, he had a flight related stroke after arriving on holiday and died abroad. He was disabled and diabetic but had been given good health checks to have the holiday. I never got to see him and by the time his remains came home was advised not to see him like that too. So basically my dad went off on his holidays to Portugal and a coffin came back. I know he's gone but I've never really had closure and you are left with a vague surreal feeling that it's not real. I don't wish that on them it's not easy to come to terms with.

For those criticising their mother. It's a difficult situation and we should all walk a mile in someone else's shoes before criticism on something like this. Also for all we know he could have been taken ill during last night's show and the news didn't arrive until they were told. Let's rise above and try not to go there, and hope for them it all turns out better than it did for me.

Jaxie how awful for you :hug:

Terrible news for them to exit to, the fact that the media didn't get hold of it suggests it was a very recent thing, it's a difficult one to judge because we don't know any of the facts surrounding his illness, but as usual the boot is put in before the full facts are known, wishing him all the best.

[chuff me dizzy]

How terrible for them. I hope they get to see their dad before anything terrible happens. My own father died in slightly unusual circumstances, he had a flight related stroke after arriving on holiday and died abroad. He was disabled and diabetic but had been given good health checks to have the holiday. I never got to see him and by the time his remains came home was advised not to see him like that too. So basically my dad went off on his holidays to Portugal and a coffin came back. I know he's gone but I've never really had closure and you are left with a vague surreal feeling that it's not real. I don't wish that on them it's not easy to come to terms with.

For those criticising their mother. It's a difficult situation and we should all walk a mile in someone else's shoes before criticism on something like this. Also for all we know he could have been taken ill during last night's show and the news didn't arrive until they were told. Let's rise above and try not to go there, and hope for them it all turns out better than it did for me.

So sorry to hear this :kiss:

[mr rochester]

Wow, close family.
If he really is fighting for his life then his sons should have been told, imagine him dying and them not saying goodbye...just for a realty show.
They soon went public with it as well, shame.

Entirely this...

[jet]

How awful. I hope the boys are okay and their Dad makes a good recovery.

[Suze]

How awful for them :(

And how awful for you Jaxie, so sad that you had to go through that pain :( :hug:

[Beso]

Big hugs jaxie, that must have been really tough for you x

[Kazanne]

That's so awful for you Jaxie :hug: and poor Jedward coming out to such sad news.

[Ant.]

Why didn't BB tell them? I mean, even Angie was told about David's death in CBB17. Also, didn't a similar situation happen in BB15 when Toya came out the house to find out her dad died?

I hope they're doing okay, and I hope their dad makes a recovery. :worry:

[jaxie]

Thanks for all the kind words. It was a long time ago now but this just struck a chord with me. It's difficult when that happens and you or they are away from home. I wish Jedward and their dad all the best.

I read in a report this morning that Jedward's dad didn't want them to know as he didn't want to disappoint all the people watching the show. I don't want to bore everyone with countless details but I was also on holiday somewhere else when this happened to my dad and he didn't want me told at first because he didn't want to spoil my holiday. So I wasn't told at first and then he died. Sometimes the best intentions don't turn out. Not wanting to heavy everyone, just trying to point out that sometimes these things happen and it's not always about people not caring or caring more about a show and so on.

[Cherie]

Why didn't BB tell them? I mean, even Angie was told about David's death in CBB17. Also, didn't a similar situation happen in BB15 when Toya came out the house to find out her dad died?

I hope they're doing okay, and I hope their dad makes a recovery. :worry:

From what I read he is in intensive care, and didn't want the boys told, it would be his call not anyone's else's

[Lostie!]

Forgive me for not stating the obvious, but if their dad was on life support or in a critical condition,he would be hardly capable of conveying his condition to his sons, so that responsibility would fall directly to their mum wouldn't it. That being the case and all things correctly considered, what kind of woman withholds such information just so her kids can win a game show. When I say kids, I mean cash cows.

This is totally disgusting. Think what would have happened if he had have passed away and they never got a chance to visit him and say their goodbyes. I simply cannot forgive this woman if indeed this is true. If it isnt i will apologise, but based on reports coming out, all they are saying is that he is in intensive care and the decision to withhold that info from the boys was taken by a close family member.

Latest reports show both parents were in on the decision but Im not buying how anyone on life support to be that compos mentos to make such decisions. Anyway its pretty bad whichever way it comes out. Him being a martyr is one thing, her agreeing is yet another.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/tvshowbiz/article-4190382/Jedward-s-dad-left-fighting-life-hospital.html

A bit like this entire post. And it takes a special kind of sanctimonious egomaniac to think they're in a position to offer or deny forgiveness in a situation that doesn't involve them in any form whatsoever.

[Ant.]

From what I read he is in intensive care, and didn't want the boys told, it would be his call not anyone's else's

Ah, I was just wondering because people kept saying it was their mum's fault? :shrug: Jedward can be there for him now though, but poor boys hearing such news after being without him for so long

[sampvt]

A bit like this entire post. And it takes a special kind of sanctimonious egomaniac to think they're in a position to offer or deny forgiveness in a situation that doesn't involve them in any form whatsoever.

ditto moonbeam

[Suze]

Ah, I was just wondering because people kept saying it was their mum's fault? :shrug: Jedward can be there for him now though, but poor boys hearing such news after being without him for so long

I was wondering at that also, but blame shouldn't be put at their Mum's door or their Dad's by anyone saying that, it's an awful thing to be said really. Thoughts should be on how John and Edward and their family are feeling at this time not passing blame.

[Gusto Brunt]

Tragic news. But at least he is still fighting. The dad looks young. Mid 50s??

[VanessaFeltz.]

Forgive me for not stating the obvious, but if their dad was on life support or in a critical condition,he would be hardly capable of conveying his condition to his sons, so that responsibility would fall directly to their mum wouldn't it. That being the case and all things correctly considered, what kind of woman withholds such information just so her kids can win a game show. When I say kids, I mean cash cows.

This is totally disgusting. Think what would have happened if he had have passed away and they never got a chance to visit him and say their goodbyes. I simply cannot forgive this woman if indeed this is true. If it isnt i will apologise, but based on reports coming out, all they are saying is that he is in intensive care and the decision to withhold that info from the boys was taken by a close family member.

Latest reports show both parents were in on the decision but Im not buying how anyone on life support to be that compos mentos to make such decisions. Anyway its pretty bad whichever way it comes out. Him being a martyr is one thing, her agreeing is yet another.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/tvshowbiz/article-4190382/Jedward-s-dad-left-fighting-life-hospital.html

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[Denver]

Forgive me for not stating the obvious, but if their dad was on life support or in a critical condition,he would be hardly capable of conveying his condition to his sons, so that responsibility would fall directly to their mum wouldn't it. That being the case and all things correctly considered, what kind of woman withholds such information just so her kids can win a game show. When I say kids, I mean cash cows.

This is totally disgusting. Think what would have happened if he had have passed away and they never got a chance to visit him and say their goodbyes. I simply cannot forgive this woman if indeed this is true. If it isnt i will apologise, but based on reports coming out, all they are saying is that he is in intensive care and the decision to withhold that info from the boys was taken by a close family member.

Latest reports show both parents were in on the decision but Im not buying how anyone on life support to be that compos mentos to make such decisions. Anyway its pretty bad whichever way it comes out. Him being a martyr is one thing, her agreeing is yet another.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/tvshowbiz/article-4190382/Jedward-s-dad-left-fighting-life-hospital.html

What a horrible nasty self centred thing to say

[Niamh.]

How terrible for them. I hope they get to see their dad before anything terrible happens. My own father died in slightly unusual circumstances, he had a flight related stroke after arriving on holiday and died abroad. He was disabled and diabetic but had been given good health checks to have the holiday. I never got to see him and by the time his remains came home was advised not to see him like that too. So basically my dad went off on his holidays to Portugal and a coffin came back. I know he's gone but I've never really had closure and you are left with a vague surreal feeling that it's not real. I don't wish that on them it's not easy to come to terms with.

For those criticising their mother. It's a difficult situation and we should all walk a mile in someone else's shoes before criticism on something like this. Also for all we know he could have been taken ill during last night's show and the news didn't arrive until they were told. Let's rise above and try not to go there, and hope for them it all turns out better than it did for me.

so sorry to hear that about your dad Jaxie :hug:

[Amy Jade]

Ermmmm just to set the record straight in reguards to 'blaming' their mum my post wasn't to lay blame at anyones feet. In situations like this though I am pretty confident Jedward will have given producers the name of a relative/friend who BB contact in or vica versa as to wetger inform housemates of illness outside the house.

[sampvt]

What a horrible nasty self centred thing to say

100% truth, if you cant take your buddies beating please dont dump on a forum member. everything in my post are reported facts. she was in on it and still says it was the right thing to do. she needed them to win, so dont get on my case

[joeysteele]

What a horrible nasty self centred thing to say

Absolutely right.

[Alisch]

There are situations where whatever the "facts" are, the polite and emphatic way is to keep the thoughts to yourself. Putting more sh*** on a person who is in distress is just...inhuman. At least wait until the situation is resolved. And you can never ever know what position is another person making decisions from. No one is omniscient for squirrel's sake.

[Tregard]

Baffling that Rylan was allowed out on several occasions for rehearsals but Jedward weren't even informed of this

[Cherie]

Baffling that Rylan was allowed out on several occasions for rehearsals but Jedward weren't even informed of this

We don't know when he was hospitalised though, and the producers would have to honour family wishes, if the Dad said he didn't want them informed, they couldn't go against that, we don't know the background here at all, all we have is a tabloid story, I mean it went from life support to intensive care which are vastly different things

[Marsh.]

Figures

Oh do pipe the feck down.

[ebandit]

...sad to hear.................however it's the families personal decision to inform or not

....others have no right to judge that decision

Mark L

[joeysteele]

...sad to hear.................however it's the families personal decision to inform or not

....others have no right to judge that decision

Mark L

None at all you are spot on.

[Vanessa]

Hope their dad gets better soon :sad:

[Amy Jade]

They were told after BOTS?

Are you sure? I just read they were at the wrap party.

[jet]

They were told after BOTS?

Are you sure? I just read they were at the wrap party.


http://www.mirror.co.uk/3am/celebrity-news/jedward-still-not-spoken-dad-9756129

"Jedward admitted they still hadn't spoken to their dad in hospital the day after leaving the CBB house".

[Amy Jade]

Oh...

[sampvt]

http://www.mirror.co.uk/3am/celebrity-news/jedward-still-not-spoken-dad-9756129

"Jedward admitted they still hadn't spoken to their dad in hospital the day after leaving the CBB house".

more interested in themselves, figures

[Amy Jade]

I'm not going to bash them because we don't know the details.

If I was in that situation though I would have skipped the party and headed straight for the hospital personally.

[DouglasS]

They'd literally been told at the Wrap party at midnight - they probably thought it would be better to wait until morning on a fresh day to talk to their dad rather than get to the hospital in a bad state of mind with no sleep

[Amy Jade]

They'd literally been told at the Wrap party at midnight - they probably thought it would be better to wait until morning on a fresh day to talk to their dad rather than get to the hospital in a bad state of mind with no sleep

Hmmm

[sampvt]

They'd literally been told at the Wrap party at midnight - they probably thought it would be better to wait until morning on a fresh day to talk to their dad rather than get to the hospital in a bad state of mind with no sleep

told directly after bots and before wrap party as confirmed by ch4 who are concerned to keep out of trouble. go figure now there is no defence as all the statements are out and cinfirmed

[joeysteele]

They'd literally been told at the Wrap party at midnight - they probably thought it would be better to wait until morning on a fresh day to talk to their dad rather than get to the hospital in a bad state of mind with no sleep

Absolutely right.
Unless it is life threatening that makes perfect sense.

Intensive care does not always mean someone is going to die.

Still, anything to get at the twins I guess.
One thing is sure unless it was life threatening,no way would you get into intensive care through the night anyway.

[Marsh.]

told directly after bots and before wrap party as confirmed by ch4 who are concerned to keep out of trouble. go figure now there is no defence as all the statements are out and cinfirmed

Bollocks. Like 90% of the crap the tabloids spout.

[smudgie]

Sounds more and more like a publicity stunt.
Much better scenario than them going partying etc whilst the pater is on his deathbed.

[rusticgal]

Absolutely right.
Unless it is life threatening that makes perfect sense.

Intensive care does not always mean someone is going to die.

Still, anything to get at the twins I guess.
One thing is sure unless it was life threatening,no way would you get into intensive care through the night anyway.


Intensive care is serious stuff...intensive monitoring, if my parent was in ICU I would be there ASAP.

[Marsh.]

Intensive care is serious stuff...intensive monitoring, if my parent was in ICU I would be there ASAP.

Oh good for you. SAINT. :worship:

[Tom4784]

If you hate someone you have never met to such an extent you'll use a seriously ill loved one of theirs' to bash them then perhaps it's time to step away from the device you're using and take a good long look at yourself.

[rusticgal]

Oh good for you. SAINT. :worship:


I'm no SAINT....just human.

[VanessaFeltz.]

If you hate someone you have never met to such an extent you'll use a seriously ill loved one of theirs' to bash them then perhaps it's time to step away from the device you're using and take a good long look at yourself.

:clap1::clap1::clap1::clap1:

[Marsh.]

I'm no SAINT....just human.

Oh how perfect of you. :love:

[rusticgal]

Oh how perfect of you. :love:


I can't help it...it's just the way I am :laugh:

[joeysteele]

If you hate someone you have never met to such an extent you'll use a seriously ill loved one of theirs' to bash them then perhaps it's time to step away from the device you're using and take a good long look at yourself.

Really strong point.
I fully agree.

[Amy Jade]

If you hate someone you have never met to such an extent you'll use a seriously ill loved one of theirs' to bash them then perhaps it's time to step away from the device you're using and take a good long look at yourself.

I'm not sure if that is directed at me or not but I was just putting myself in their scenario :shrug:

[rusticgal]

I'm not sure if that is directed at me or not but I was just putting myself in their scenario :shrug:


As most of us do.

[joeysteele]

People react differently to situations not how anyone else may do.
We can all say what we would want to do and would likely do.

However to get at the twins and throw unsavoury inferences to their Mum.
While not being there, knowing the whole situation and even why someone is in intensive care, or fully what the instructions are from their Dad too, is for me a rather low attempt to land any kind of blow at the Twins.

[jet]

Oh good for you. SAINT. :worship:

You think it's saintly to go straight to ICU if someone found out a loved one was there? Wow. Okay.

[sampvt]

If you hate someone you have never met to such an extent you'll use a seriously ill loved one of theirs' to bash them then perhaps it's time to step away from the device you're using and take a good long look at yourself.

Marsh isnt hating on us, hes only having a senior moment and doing a bit of baiting to lighten the mood, he does not need to step away from his laptop.

[DouglasS]

If you hate someone you have never met to such an extent you'll use a seriously ill loved one of theirs' to bash them then perhaps it's time to step away from the device you're using and take a good long look at yourself.

[2]
Get away from the computer Sampvt, you're embarassing yourself

[Vicky.]

It must have been their mum not wanting them told.If so, that is ****ing disgusting...for the sake of cbb? Nah. Imagine how bad they would have felt if he had died and they had been messing around in the house unaware :S

If it was the fathers choice then its still pretty bad but a bit better...but come the **** on, this is a gameshow. Family first

[Vicky.]

http://www.mirror.co.uk/3am/celebrity-news/jedward-still-not-spoken-dad-9756129

"Jedward admitted they still hadn't spoken to their dad in hospital the day after leaving the CBB house".

ouch...thats pretty bad tbf :/

Life support is just that...its not definite or anything. There are no guarantees and every minute is a fight

[Vicky.]

You think it's saintly to go straight to ICU if someone found out a loved one was there? Wow. Okay.

Yes..odd really. I would have thought anyone finding out their parent was on life support would be there as soon as possible. Unless you didn't speak to said parent or had fallen out badly or something I guess...

[Marsh.]

You think it's saintly to go straight to ICU if someone found out a loved one was there? Wow. Okay.

Yes, that's clearly what I said. :pat:

[LukeB]

I would be so pissed off if I wasn't told about my parents are ill even if they didn't want to say anything.

[Vicky.]

I would be so pissed off if I wasn't told about my parents are ill even if they didn't want to say anything.

Not just ill either...life support ffs. Its horrible really, whatever the reasons. I am glad everything worked out ok in the end but he could have died while they were in the house. Would they even have been told then or would it be kept til later so they didn't leave? :(

[Cherie]

Why are we all taking a tabloid article as gospel, maybe we should be looking at their response, it might not be that serious ?

[Amy Jade]

Not just ill either...life support ffs. Its horrible really, whatever the reasons. I am glad everything worked out ok in the end but he could have died while they were in the house. Would they even have been told then or would it be kept til later so they didn't leave? :(

It depends on their mum or management or whoever BB are in contact with I would best guess.

The producers can't tell them if the family haven't informed them.

[jaxie]

I think some people are jumping to conclusions and not thinking of the practicalities. They were told late at night after the show. Someone in ITU would have been asleep and the hospital isn't going to wake them for a chat. Flights have to be booked to go home. You cant just run to the airport and jump on a plane. It's not like getting a bus to the local hospital. You, I or they might have wanted to be told but the decision their dad took was not to tell them. It was his right to do that. There are all kinds of scenarios people don't figure into the experience because they aren't in those shoes.
For all we know the article isn't that accurate. Maybe their dad is now out of the hospital having been taken ill during the show. We don't know and the finger pointing isn't nice. At the end of day, like most of us, they probably love their dad and would do their best to get where they needed to be as fast as they were able.

In my own experience I went through a whole bunch of emotions including anger and there was lots more I'm not going into but I've never been angry with my dad for not wanting me to be told right away. He was hardly thinking straight, and it was love.

[Liam-]

They were told that after Bots and still went to the after party and hadn't spoken to him until the day after? nah, I'd be straight in a car on my way home to see him, I'd never forgive my family if they did that to me.

[MTVN]

They'd literally been told at the Wrap party at midnight - they probably thought it would be better to wait until morning on a fresh day to talk to their dad rather than get to the hospital in a bad state of mind with no sleep

Well they were certainly told before the wrap party, the reports all say that they were told after BOTS and actually it was the Daily Star front page Saturday and front pages tend to be released 10-11pm the night before. That known they still decided to go the party and proceeded to spend the early hours tweeting insults about their other housemates

[user104658]

They were told that after Bots and still went to the after party and hadn't spoken to him until the day after? nah, I'd be straight in a car on my way home to see him, I'd never forgive my family if they did that to me.
You would - - drive - - home from England to Ireland? Wow, that really is commitment to family right there.

[Liam-]

You would - - drive - - home from England to Ireland? Wow, that really is commitment to family right there.

Considering I live in Wales it's more doable, but they could have always driven straight to an airport.

[joeysteele]

Honestly, the jumping the gun on this just believing the press on this is really strange.
I had a friend who suffered brain damage after a car accident, he was often in intensive care due to chest problems.
It was never life threatening but he needed closer monitoring.
When in there or just in hospital he demanded no one visit him because visits upset him.
There are many scenarios to being in hospital and in intensive care, surely we all know the press twist stories to overexaggerate things.

To attack the twins,inferring they don't care and then to be possibly attacking their Mum, for likely obeying her Husband's instructions, is really unbelievable when we only really have a likely distorted press report on the issue.

Not having the full knowledge of the actual facts on this makes those personal jibes to Twins and their Mum even worse.

[sampvt]

[2]
Get away from the computer Sampvt, you're embarassing yourself

Douglas please look at your own posts, you are the one that is embarrassing themselves. If you want I am open to criticism if you can post anything Ive written thats not true.

You wont be able to and will probably skate away from this tasks so in future, please refer your posts to insulting HM;s not FM;s. I am entitled to my opinion and I have read numerous reports about their money grabbing mother and reports coming out cement the time lines of what and when they were told, yet to date, including now, they still have not visited their dying dad. That might have changed since this morning but I fear they will wait till the paparazzi get up so they can milk it as a publicity stunt.

You can defend them all you want but they, including mother hen, are pathetic and desperate to earn from any promotion stunt they can get involved in. Dont slag me off for telling the truth when you have some misguided love for them that tries to defend the indefensible. Stick to facts please.

[sampvt]

They'd literally been told at the Wrap party at midnight - they probably thought it would be better to wait until morning on a fresh day to talk to their dad rather than get to the hospital in a bad state of mind with no sleep

Absolute crap and totally untrue. Douglas if you are going to enter a debate, at least make sure of your facts as you are the one embarrassing yourself with blatant lies and deceptive truths.

[sampvt]

If you hate someone you have never met to such an extent you'll use a seriously ill loved one of theirs' to bash them then perhaps it's time to step away from the device you're using and take a good long look at yourself.

Dezzy the reason why someone resorts to hate as opposed to dislikes is generally fuelled by other posters baits and goading. If there was less goading and baiting on this forum, people like me wouldnt get so het up. I report facts not fiction. If you would care to point me at where ive lied i will be all to willing to apologise but I should be allowed to offer opinions devoid of goading and trolls harassing me just because they dont agree with my views. After all, isnt that what the forum is all about.

[joeysteele]

Absolute crap and totally untrue. Douglas if you are going to enter a debate, at least make sure of your facts as you are the one embarrassing yourself with blatant lies and deceptive truths.

What facts have you got?

Press reports, have you spoken to them their Mum or their Dad.
The second this came out all you did was to jump in and again attack and make serious inferences to their Mum again as have all series.

I hope they never read your allegations as to their Mum using them as cash cows for herself and acting inappropriately as to their affairs.
All you have is possibly what you've read,you would need much better proof and facts were you to be challenged on your objectionable claims.

[sampvt]

Honestly, the jumping the gun on this just believing the press on this is really strange.
I had a friend who suffered brain damage after a car accident, he was often in intensive care due to chest problems.
It was never life threatening but he needed closer monitoring.
When in there or just in hospital he demanded no one visit him because visits upset him.
There are many scenarios to being in hospital and in intensive care, surely we all know the press twist stories to overexaggerate things.

To attack the twins,inferring they don't care and then to be possibly attacking their Mum, for likely obeying her Husband's instructions, is really unbelievable when we only really have a likely distorted press report on the issue.

Not having the full knowledge of the actual facts on this makes those personal jibes to Twins and their Mum even worse.

Nobody on here is fully aware of all the facts, ergo all we have to go on are press and media reports. If our assumptions are wrong, we are then guilty by association and repealed facts are not to be used to goad or troll the posters.

The press reports and ch5's own releases tell a story and facts are reported per say. I merely see them as media parasites that are desperate to do anything and everything to earn a buck and they crossed the morality line this time. No doubt they will visit his as soon as the media circus is there to make a story out of it and they get camera time which i fell is deplorable and disgusting. We will see.

[sampvt]

What facts have you got?

Press reports, have you spoken to them their Mum or their Dad.
The second this came out all you did was to jump in and again attack and make serious inferences to their Mum again as have all series.

I hope they never read your allegations as to their Mum using them as cash cows for herself and acting inappropriately as to their affairs.
All you have is possibly what you've read,you would need much better proof and facts were you to be challenged on your objectionable claims.

This is a forum and not a court of law. If we all had to drag evidence around with us for everything we post the forum would be a ghost town. i post opinions based on fact tainted with obvious bile because I dont like them, but please look at this 2 ways.....you ask me to prove these things that are clearly in the media for all to read. I could turn it round and ask you to disprove it, but i wont as it would create an argument and the purpose of the form is debate not arguments.

[joeysteele]

This is a forum and not a court of law. If we all had to drag evidence around with us for everything we post the forum would be a ghost town. i post opinions based on fact tainted with obvious bile because I dont like them, but please look at this 2 ways.....you ask me to prove these things that are clearly in the media for all to read. I could turn it round and ask you to disprove it, but i wont as it would create an argument and the purpose of the form is debate not arguments.


I.just hope you have real facts and proof as to your inferences to their Mum as to her and their finances.
You have chosen so far to put your anti her view on this public forum,no one else.... and it is just that, a public forum that all,members and non members can read.
That is a solid fact.

[sampvt]

I.just hope you have real facts and proof as to your inferences to their Mum as to her and their finances.
You have chosen so far to put your anti her view on this public forum,no one else.... and it is just that, a public forum that all,members and non members can read.
That is a solid fact.

since when did opinions become facts.

[joeysteele]

I think some people are jumping to conclusions and not thinking of the practicalities. They were told late at night after the show. Someone in ITU would have been asleep and the hospital isn't going to wake them for a chat. Flights have to be booked to go home. You cant just run to the airport and jump on a plane. It's not like getting a bus to the local hospital. You, I or they might have wanted to be told but the decision their dad took was not to tell them. It was his right to do that. There are all kinds of scenarios people don't figure into the experience because they aren't in those shoes.
For all we know the article isn't that accurate. Maybe their dad is now out of the hospital having been taken ill during the show. We don't know and the finger pointing isn't nice. At the end of day, like most of us, they probably love their dad and would do their best to get where they needed to be as fast as they were able.

In my own experience I went through a whole bunch of emotions including anger and there was lots more I'm not going into but I've never been angry with my dad for not wanting me to be told right away. He was hardly thinking straight, and it was love.

Whether we agree or disagree on issues,I always love to read your posts.

Over this series you have made some excellent points.
On this issue you already have and the above post says so much of those excellent points, in a fair and balanced way too.

Your own personal shared experience is really thought provoking.

[VanessaFeltz.]

since when did opinions become facts.

Same goes for you. All you have written here is spiteful comments about jedward and their mom when they are going through a very hard time.

The season has ended and their father is sick, that is not about the game it is REAL life. Just because they are not here to answer doesnt give you the right to drag their name through the mud about a very very sensetive subject. Even if their mother decided that they were not going to be informed, it only concerns them.

To everyone here who say they would've done this or that, you are not in this situation. You are not jedward or their mom. You dont know what exactly happened and you dont know the dynamics in the family and how they work through crisis.

This is time to support Jedward and their family with our kind words instead of adding more pain.

[sampvt]

What was the definition of ganghanded I ask myself. Time to say my goodbyes untill the next series. TTFN

[Tom4784]

Dezzy the reason why someone resorts to hate as opposed to dislikes is generally fuelled by other posters baits and goading. If there was less goading and baiting on this forum, people like me wouldnt get so het up. I report facts not fiction. If you would care to point me at where ive lied i will be all to willing to apologise but I should be allowed to offer opinions devoid of goading and trolls harassing me just because they dont agree with my views. After all, isnt that what the forum is all about.

I don't understand what you're going on about and I'm not even sure you do at this point since I haven't accused you of lying.

You're confused on the issue of a right to an opinion. You are allowed an opinion but people aren't required to respect or agree with it. They are allowed their own opinions without you trying to call them trolls or accusing them of goading you because they have a differing opinion. The right to an opinion is not a shield from criticism.

Opinions are a two way street, Sam. Everybody has a right to them, not just you.

[jaxie]

Whether we agree or disagree on issues,I always love to read your posts.

Over this series you have made some excellent points.
On this issue you already have and the above post says so much of those excellent points, in a fair and balanced way too.

Your own personal shared experience is really thought provoking.

Thank you Joey. I enjoy reading what you have to say also.

I think you are wasting your time with the negative poster. Leave him to make himself look bad, claim everyone is picking on him, then sulk off. Oh look there he goes.

[user104658]

Considering I live in Wales it's more doable, but they could have always driven straight to an airport.

Today I Learned: The Welsh have amphibious cars!

[Beso]

It was john and edwards father who made the decision not to inform his children, which he has every right to do.
It is not an uncommon or strange decision to make either.

My dad died of pancraitic cancer and didnt tell anyone he had it until the final 2 months. We all respected his decision. Why wouldn't we as its his life and he will alqays be our dad.

Anyway, hes out of hospital now so it couldnt have been as bad as you all thought and it is all just sensationalised by the papers.

[Suze]

Especially when you see which rag latched onto and sensationalised it a bit more than need be. That said, I am glad their Dad is out of hospital and on the mend, must be a weight of the family's minds.

[Cherie]

It was john and edwards father who made the decision not to inform his children, which he has every right to do.
It is not an uncommon or strange decision to make either.

My dad died of pancraitic cancer and didnt tell anyone he had it until the final 2 months. We all respected his decision. Why wouldn't we as its his life and he will alqays be our dad.

Anyway, hes out of hospital now so it couldnt have been as bad as you all thought and it is all just sensationalised by the papers.



So since Friday he's gone from life support to being discharged :joker: as if they would have attended the wrap party if his life was in danger

[jet]

It was john and edwards father who made the decision not to inform his children, which he has every right to do.
It is not an uncommon or strange decision to make either.

My dad died of pancraitic cancer and didnt tell anyone he had it until the final 2 months. We all respected his decision. Why wouldn't we as its his life and he will alqays be our dad.

Anyway, hes out of hospital now so it couldnt have been as bad as you all thought and it is all just sensationalised by the papers.

That's very good news. I can't find any reference to that though, could you post a link?

[Kizzy]

personally I would be furious if I'd not been informed.

[Beso]

That's very good news. I can't find any reference to that though, could you post a link?

https://www.google.co.uk/url?sa=t&source=web&rct=j&url=http://www.independent.ie/entertainment/television/jedwards-dad-john-in-icu-health-scare-as-brothers-exit-cbb-house-35423022.html&ved=0ahUKEwjdx7iQ3PnRAhVCTJAKHXnqBj8QqOcBCB4wAQ&usg=AFQjCNEUa_pWscd4Z5Io9AiFBpZlekgRCA

[smudgie]

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So since Friday he's gone from life support to being discharged :joker: as if they would have attended the wrap party if his life was in danger

Aye, all sounds a bit odd really.:joker:

[jet]

https://www.google.co.uk/url?sa=t&source=web&rct=j&url=http://www.independent.ie/entertainment/television/jedwards-dad-john-in-icu-health-scare-as-brothers-exit-cbb-house-35423022.html&ved=0ahUKEwjdx7iQ3PnRAhVCTJAKHXnqBj8QqOcBCB4wAQ&usg=AFQjCNEUa_pWscd4Z5Io9AiFBpZlekgRCA

Thanks parmnion. It says he is out of ICU yesterday, not out of hospital, which means any danger has passed. That must be a great relief for the family.

[Denver]

What if there was no planes or ferries running till the next day?

[Beso]

Thanks parmnion. It says he is out of ICU yesterday, not out of hospital, which means any danger has passed. That must be a great relief for the family.

It was probably only a sore dialing finger.

[Wizard.]

Didn't expect all this when I made this thread

[rusticgal]

Didn't expect all this when I made this thread

It certainly dragged on...it's called weening off the forum :joker: