Would you all pay £1 a month to keep the Guardian Paper Alive?

[arista]

I would
so long as I could post their Photos.

But if they never go back to allowing photos to be used
then Sadly Death to the Guardian......

[LukeB]

no

[Kizzy]

Um, it has an edge to it recently I don't very much like so no.

[arista]

no

But young fella
you have the Right to cancel your direct debit
at any time.

£1 a month is not a lot to ask
come on show some heart.............

[Crimson Dynamo]

no and i note the independent is more clickbait than news these days

[arista]

Um, it has an edge to it recently I don't very much like so no.


Come on Kizzy
its good to have other views and links we can all post.
Their Media section - if you can find it fast
is great.


£1 a month - would not damage your budget
with Respect

[arista]

no and i note the independent is more clickbait than news these days


OK
maybe they would allow you a new
section though


LT £1 a month
its not alot

[Crimson Dynamo]

OK
maybe they would allow you a new
section though


LT £1 a month
its not alot

The guardian group made a 70 million quid trading loss to march 2016 and now they want to go tabloid and outsource their printing. But no one can use their presses are they are a funny size so they will sit idle

Source: The Two Mikes, Talksport


current ABC Circulation is a paltry 161K

[Firewire]

No I don't read it

[arista]

The guardian group made a 70 million quid trading loss to march 2016 and now they want to go tabloid and outsource their printing. But no one can use their presses are they are a funny size so they will sit idle

Source: The Two Mikes, Talksport


current ABC Circulation is a paltry 161K


Yes it does not look good
I agree LT

[arista]

No I don't read it


Never
not even online?

That's a shame

[smudgie]

No.
I prefer to pay more and have luxury toilet paper.

[arista]

No.
I prefer to pay more and have luxury toilet paper.


OK

[ebandit]

............reading the news.............just makes ya depressed..........

Mark L

[Mitchell]

I'd pay £1 a month for it to be axed

[Ronald.]

Too many wishy washy articles turning everything into equality rows online it's even worse. That said I'm not opposed to left views just not a fan of that newspaper. R.

[waterhog]

I would not pay - to intellectual for me :joker:

[_Tom_]

Let it sink.

[arista]

I would not pay - to intellectual for me :joker:


Hog it is not


Check the the fantastic Steve Bell Cartoons

[arista]

Let it sink.


No
let it live
no need to drill a hole in the Boat

[arista]

............reading the news.............just makes ya depressed..........

Mark L


But you can go to Showbiz
and Entertainment
not all of the news is downbeat........




Sign Of The Times

[Cherie]

Um, it has an edge to it recently I don't very much like so no.

:worry:

[Kizzy]

How about everyone gives their own view and not simply fixate on mine?...ta.

[Cherie]

How about everyone gives their own view and not simply fixate on mine?...ta.

Who fixated :joker:

[MB.]

Personally I would if the print media weren't dying such a (mostly) joyful death... although the likes of the Daily Mail will always be replaced by mediums such as Breitbart and the only difference will that the focus will shift from the older generations to more impressionable younger folk, and basically it'll all end in Nazis, so we might just abandon all hope now

[James]

826791341417971713

[user104658]

I'd pay £100 a month to destroy ALL of the mainstream simpleton-press. All of it. Rags, TV, online.

[Livia]

826791341417971713

Made me LOL...

[Brillopad]

I'd pay £100 a month to destroy ALL of the mainstream simpleton-press. All of it. Rags, TV, online.

Sounds quite elitist. Democracy isn't elitist.

[user104658]

Sounds quite elitist. Democracy isn't elitist.

I probably am an elitist but I also believe democracy is the best system we have. People should just have to take an IQ test before they're allowed to vote :hee:

[Livia]

I probably am an elitist but I also believe democracy is the best system we have. People should just have to take an IQ test before they're allowed to vote :hee:

Yes, an IQ test. Because if they don't share your point of view TS, they're obviously a bit dim.

[user104658]

Yes, an IQ test. Because if they don't share your point of view TS, they're obviously a bit dim.

I made absolutely no allusion to what the outcome of such a vote would be, Livia. I have no automatic assumption that it would go "my way". I still think it would be far more likely to result in a meaningful (deliberated, not media-lead) outcome.

Then again I also believe that we should have an elected meritocracy, with only people who are at the absolute top of their field even allowed to run for government positions in the first place. Instead of the relentless cronyism we're currently stuck with, that places slack-jawed inbreds at the head of almost every government branch...

[Livia]

I made absolutely no allusion to what the outcome of such a vote would be, Livia. I have no automatic assumption that it would go "my way". I still think it would be far more likely to result in a meaningful (deliberated, not media-lead) outcome.

Then again I also believe that we should have an elected meritocracy, with only people who are at the absolute top of their field even allowed to run for government positions in the first place. Instead of the relentless cronyism we're currently stuck with, that places slack-jawed inbreds at the head of almost every government branch...

Yeah, a lot of people are very critical about politicians. But you know, anyone can be a politician if they qualify. Everyone's willing to moan but few are willing to stand.

If people vote in a different way from you, your automatic assumption is that they have been swayed by the media. But not you, TS. You're too smart for that. I, however, have greater faith in the public than you do.

[user104658]

Yeah, a lot of people are very critical about politicians. But you know, anyone can be a politician if they qualify. Everyone's willing to moan but few are willing to stand.

I'm pretty sure I just said that that's the problem, though :think:.

If people vote in a different way from you, your automatic assumption is that they have been swayed by the media. But not you, TS. You're too smart for that. I, however, have greater faith in the public than you do.

Again I have no idea where you're getting the "a different way from me" part. AGAIN I made no allusion to what the outcome of such a vote would be. I wasn't even talking about current or past real votes. I was talking about ALL votes in ANY circumstance. Past, present, future, hypothetical: I believe that by stopping unintelligent people from casting a vote, the outcome is far more likely to represent the true situation and the facts rather than hype or hysteria.

[Livia]

I'm pretty sure I just said that that's the problem, though :think:.



Again I have no idea where you're getting the "a different way from me" part. AGAIN I made no allusion to what the outcome of such a vote would be. I wasn't even talking about current or past real votes. I was talking about ALL votes in ANY circumstance. Past, present, future, hypothetical: I believe that by stopping unintelligent people from casting a vote, the outcome is far more likely to represent the true situation and the facts rather than hype or hysteria.

I thought the clue was in the words.

[Brillopad]

I made absolutely no allusion to what the outcome of such a vote would be, Livia. I have no automatic assumption that it would go "my way". I still think it would be far more likely to result in a meaningful (deliberated, not media-lead) outcome.

Then again I also believe that we should have an elected meritocracy, with only people who are at the absolute top of their field even allowed to run for government positions in the first place. Instead of the relentless cronyism we're currently stuck with, that places slack-jawed inbreds at the head of almost every government branch...

How does being 'at the top of their field' make them more suitable for the job -morally or otherwise? Character is probably the most important and relevant quality followed by knowledge and experience.

Being top of your field doesn't exclude anyone from being dishonest or downright corrupt or out and out dickheads. Pompous nonsence in my book.

[user104658]

How does being 'at the top of their field' make them more suitable for the job -morally or otherwise? Character is probably the most important and relevant quality followed by knowledge and experience.

Being top of your field doesn't exclude anyone from being dishonest or downright corrupt or out and out dickheads. Pompous nonsence in my book.

The country's leading economists are best qualified to guide the economy. The country's top educational psychologists are best qualified to be in charge of education. Someone who has been involved in and worked their way up through the healthcare system is best qualified to be in charge of healthcare.

"Pompous nonsense"? It's ****ing common sense.

But then again - you are also suggesting that the people currently in these positions and who have been there before are there because of GOOD CHARACTER, which is so utterly ludicrous I don't even know where to start :joker:

[Kizzy]

The country's leading economists are best qualified to guide the economy. The country's top educational psychologists are best qualified to be in charge of education. Someone who has been involved in and worked their way up through the healthcare system is best qualified to be in charge of healthcare.

"Pompous nonsense"? It's ****ing common sense.

But then again - you are also suggesting that the people currently in these positions and who have been there before are there because of GOOD CHARACTER, which is so utterly ludicrous I don't even know where to start :joker:

It's not what you know.... it's who you bummed at prep school.

[Brillopad]

The country's leading economists are best qualified to guide the economy. The country's top educational psychologists are best qualified to be in charge of education. Someone who has been involved in and worked their way up through the healthcare system is best qualified to be in charge of healthcare.

"Pompous nonsense"? It's ****ing common sense.

But then again - you are also suggesting that the people currently in these positions and who have been there before are there because of GOOD CHARACTER, which is so utterly ludicrous I don't even know where to start :joker:

Did I say that? Words in mouth.

[Brillopad]

It's not what you know.... it's who you bummed at prep school.

Sounds about right. The elitist - those at the top of their field.

[Vicky.]

Nope. I used to enjoy reading it but I am sick of the ridiculous bias that seems prominent in all papers at the moment. I wish just one would report fairly...is this too much to ask?!

[arista]

Nope. I used to enjoy reading it but I am sick of the ridiculous bias that seems prominent in all papers at the moment. I wish just one would report fairly...is this too much to ask?!

Yes Valid Point Vicky
but once the public own them
they have to change

As it would be 2 clicks
to cancel your £1 monthly DD

[Kizzy]

Sounds about right. The elitist - those at the top of their field.

Nope not the field, the food chain.

[user104658]

Nope. I used to enjoy reading it but I am sick of the ridiculous bias that seems prominent in all papers at the moment. I wish just one would report fairly...is this too much to ask?!

The problem is that you only have two options... papers that are run for profit, and papers that are funded by the government / other political interests. Neither is ever going to present fair, impartial, or even accurate news.

[Kizzy]

Have you heard of the Canary Vicky? :)

[arista]

I probably am an elitist but I also believe democracy is the best system we have. People should just have to take an IQ test before they're allowed to vote :hee:


How Nice TS

[Crimson Dynamo]

Have you heard of the Canary Vicky? :)

bearing in mind Vicky posted: I used to enjoy reading it but I am sick of the ridiculous bias that seems prominent in all papers at the moment. I wish just one would report fairly...is this too much to ask?!


:joker: I dont think she wants to visit the canary

[arista]

I'd pay £100 a month to destroy ALL of the mainstream simpleton-press. All of it. Rags, TV, online.


NO TS
the rags are for the Working Builders


LEAVE THEM ALONE

[user104658]

the rags are for the Working Builders

LEAVE THEM ALONE

... ... ... ... no comment ...

[arista]

826791341417971713


That is most sad
James.

They will have to bring it in
from home now,


Sign Of The Times

[Brillopad]

Nope not the field, the food chain.

So those at the top of their field, no doubt many of which went to public schools, are top of the food chain. Sounds like Kizzy being elitist. :shocked: