Iron Fist (Debuts on Netflix on the 17th March)

[Tom4784]

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The last Marvel solo series to air before the Defenders. I think it looks okay, definitely looks more in line with Daredevil than Jessica Jones/Luke Cage.

[user104658]

I can't say I previously knew much about Iron Fist before he was announced for Netflix/Defenders but from this trailer... ... ...

... ... ... Oliver Queen? Iss dat you? :joker:

Some definite similarities ther but :shrug: it still looks decent and I'll probs binge it. I just hope the final 20 minutes of Luke Cage wasn't indicative of the direction we're heading because I honestly found it awful despite enjoying the series as a whole :umm2:.

[Tom4784]

I can't say I previously knew much about Iron Fist before he was announced for Netflix/Defenders but from this trailer... ... ...

... ... ... Oliver Queen? Iss dat you? :joker:

Some definite similarities ther but :shrug: it still looks decent and I'll probs binge it. I just hope the final 20 minutes of Luke Cage wasn't indicative of the direction we're heading because I honestly found it awful despite enjoying the series as a whole :umm2:.

I loved the first half of Luke Cage but the second half was terrible and it only gets worse the more I think about it.

Getting rid of Cottonmouth so quickly was stupid, Diamondback was a pantomine villain and they missed a trick by sidelining Mariah in favour of him.

It's also annoying that a huge chunk of the series was spent on trying to sort out Luke' injury when they could have dealt with that arc in less time and still have the impact it had before. Luke Cage should have been an eight episode series, there was way too much filler in the last half.

[user104658]

I loved the first half of Luke Cage but the second half was terrible and it only gets worse the more I think about it.

Getting rid of Cottonmouth so quickly was stupid, Diamondback was a pantomine villain and they missed a trick by sidelining Mariah in favour of him.

It's also annoying that a huge chunk of the series was spent on trying to sort out Luke' injury when they could have dealt with that arc in less time and still have the impact it had before. Luke Cage should have been an eight episode series, there was way too much filler in the last half.

Cottonmouth was a much better villain, and the only thing that saved the latter half in terms of villains was Mariah and Shades who I thought was decent. I still found it watchable almost all of the way but I swear to god, the second half of the final episode is some of the worst written television I've ever seen, literally. To the point that I don't actually understand how it can have happened. The writing is bad... The dialogue is awful... The premise is stupid and unrealistic (for a superhero drama, even!)... I just can't.

[Scarlett.]

Finished the Iron Fist, I quite enjoyed it, here's my rankings for all four Defenders

1) Daredevil
2) Luke Cage
3) Iron Fist
4) Jessica Jones

I've really loved them all, despite any flaws they may have.

[Tom4784]

I watched the first two episodes and I'm completely bored by it. The writing is terrible and clumsy (the hobo in the first episode randomly offering to google people for Danny was atrociously written). The choreography so far is underwhelming and most of the characters seem like archetypes. I'll keep going with it but it does feel like the bosses of the Netflix Marvel shows decided to let the interns do Iron Fist.

[user104658]

I'm sort of enjoying it but agree it's not quite up to Netflix-marvel standards for me. Some of the writing is indeed clumsy but the major issue for me is that Danny Rand (thus far, I'm on episode 6) is straight up unlikeable? And a bit... Simple, almost?

[Tom4784]

I'm sort of enjoying it but agree it's not quite up to Netflix-marvel standards for me. Some of the writing is indeed clumsy but the major issue for me is that Danny Rand (thus far, I'm on episode 6) is straight up unlikeable? And a bit... Simple, almost?

Yeah, for a monk that spouts off wise sayings a lot he is quite dumb and naive.

[user104658]

Yeah, for a monk that spouts off wise sayings a lot he is quite dumb and naive.
It's how confused he seems when people think he's nuts when he starts talking about the Iron Fist and other dimensions...

"Wot? It's true! Why are you not believe me? :( "

[Brother Leon]

Reviews are slaughtering it. Will give it a go soon. It can't be worse than Luke Cage after you know what happens..

[Tom4784]

Reviews are slaughtering it. Will give it a go soon. It can't be worse then Luke Cage after you know what happens..

Just judging from what I've seen, I'd say it's easily worse. It might get better in time but I'll probably drag myself to the end of it just so I don't miss out on anything for The Defenders.

[Tom4784]

It's how confused he seems when people think he's nuts when he starts talking about the Iron Fist and other dimensions...

"Wot? It's true! Why are you not believe me? :( "

It's really bad writing.... Although on one hand the characters exist in a world where the existence of aliens and alternate dimensions where Norse Gods reside are common knowledge so I'm guessing it's not too much of a stretch...

The way Danny goes about trying to prove it is silly though.

[user104658]

Reviews are slaughtering it. Will give it a go soon. It can't be worse then Luke Cage after you know what happens..
To be fair some of the problems that the reviewers have with it are political bull**** like cultural misappropriation. Yawn. I think they're on the harsh side. The writing is still MOSTLY decent. The main issue for me is Danny Rand himself. I don't rate the character or the actor tbh

[user104658]

It's really bad writing.... Although on one hand the characters exist in a world where the existence of aliens and alternate dimensions where Norse Gods reside are common knowledge so I'm guessing it's not too much of a stretch...

The way Danny goes about trying to prove it is silly though.
That bothers me too, though! The fact that they find it SO crazy. In a world where they know about Thor... The Hulk... And it's New York so they now have Spiderman on their doorstep. They react like they don't understand that it's possible.

[Tom4784]

That bothers me too, though! The fact that they find it SO crazy. In a world where they know about Thor... The Hulk... And it's New York so they now have Spiderman on their doorstep. They react like they don't understand that it's possible.

Yeah, it's just bad writing on both sides, it makes no sense for any of them to act like they do but they do so anyway because the plot demands it.

[Brother Leon]

To be fair some of the problems that the reviewers have with it are political bull**** like cultural misappropriation. Yawn. I think they're on the harsh side. The writing is still MOSTLY decent. The main issue for me is Danny Rand himself. I don't rate the character or the actor tbh

That would be fairly stupid if so considering Danny Rand is supposed to be a white guy from NYC.

[user104658]

That would be fairly stupid if so considering Danny Rand is supposed to be a white guy from NYC.
True but show critics aren't always aware of the comic book lore, and also, there has been criticism of the comic in the past for the same...

[user104658]

Just judging from what I've seen, I'd say it's easily worse. It might get better in time but I'll probably drag myself to the end of it just so I don't miss out on anything for The Defenders.
Tentatively, I'd say the first 2/3 episodes are the worst, but there's always the chance it could slide backwards before the end. I mean, I thought Luke Cage was great for the first half, mediocre for most of the second half, and then straight up ****ing ridiculous in the final episode sooo it's not over until it's over I guess [emoji23]

[user104658]

I'm also unsure what it is that Rand brings to the defenders that's any different? He essentially fights like Daredevil, but with a Luke-Cage-Hand limit break :hee:. OK his iron fist thing might actually be stronger than Cage / Jessica Jones but from what I've seen so far, he can't or doesn't actually use it very often :think:.

[user104658]

Maybe he's the Tony Stark and they need his dollaz...

[user104658]

Oh yeah, which reminds me, someone in an early episode described that Rands as the richest family in New York / Rand as the richest company. Does that mean he's richer than Stark? Also... Isn't it likely that he would have met / know the Starks when he was young?

[Scarlett.]

It's really bad writing.... Although on one hand the characters exist in a world where the existence of aliens and alternate dimensions where Norse Gods reside are common knowledge so I'm guessing it's not too much of a stretch...

The way Danny goes about trying to prove it is silly though.

The way I see it, is, Danny is still sort of a child, sure he's grown up with monks, but in the real world he has next to no experience, you see hints of that in the board meetings. Iron Fist does have issues, but its an okay series, I'd say it mostly suffers from a low low budget. Also, Iron Fist should have had a mask, they could have had a double doing the fight scenes.

[Scarlett.]

Oh yeah, which reminds me, someone in an early episode described that Rands as the richest family in New York / Rand as the richest company. Does that mean he's richer than Stark? Also... Isn't it likely that he would have met / know the Starks when he was young?

I guess the Stark family isnt just confined to New York though, where as the Rand family seems to have been based there for years. It is possible that the Rand and Stark families once met I'd say.

Also, interesting little nugget, this is from the flashback in S1 Ep1 of Daredevil
https://thenerdsofcolor.files.wordpress.com/2015/06/randtruck.jpg

[Tom4784]

Just finished Episode 4, it's gotten watchable now that they've started to develop a story beyond all the Dallas styled soap opera **** but Danny's insufferable and the actor is just not very convincing in the role. He looks and acts like a student that's just come back from a gap year, not a martial arts master that spent 15 years training.

I guess I consider it watchable as a guilty pleasure but it's a far cry from the likes of Jessica Jones which was just a fantastic show through and through.

[Scarlett.]

I've given it time now, I think the show is okay, if they do a season 2, they need to really up their game, hopefully Danny will be better in the Defenders.

[user104658]

I've given it time now, I think the show is okay, if they do a season 2, they need to really up their game, hopefully Danny will be better in the Defenders.

There's easy potential for them to "fix" the character TBH - just have the events of The Defenders and his interactions with DD, JJ and Cage (who are all very different), and learning about their experiences, have a large impact on him / his outlook and philosophies. Then you can have him be quite different in S2 with a ready-made explanation.

I also think the series wasn't action-focused enough for the character. It seems to be more in tune with Jessica Jones and Luke Cage which focused more on other aspects of the story with the action being less at the front. The difference being that (IMO) the Jessica Jones storyline was darkly compelling and Luke Cage's (for MOST of it) was an intriguing character drama. But does ANYONE give a **** about Rand Enterprises? Or find the Meachum family drama in any way interesting? I don't think so! It needs to be more like DareDevil which strikes a more 50/50 balance. Still plenty of story focus but a lot of action in the majority of episodes, too. Give it a better fights / stunts budget, get in a skilled stunt double for Danny and give us more martial arts ass kickery :joker:. The best action scenes of this series (if far fetched...) have been Colleen Wing's cage fights :think:...

[Tom4784]

Here for Colleen and Claire being BFFs tbh.

I demand the Claire, Colleen and Misty team up series that we deserve!

[user104658]

Here for Colleen and Claire being BFFs tbh.

I demand the Claire, Colleen and Misty team up series that we deserve!
Misty would just let the side down to be honest. She kept getting herself shot, lost her sh*t as soon as a gun was pointed at her, and with the time it took her to be "sure" about Luke's identity and then figure out that he wasn't a killer, she's frankly a terrible detective. Claire on the other hand is a nurse who became an adept superhero surgeon overnight and Colleen is a ninja. If they need another team mate they'd do better with a roided-up Trish... She was pretty hard core.

[Tom4784]

Finished Episode 6, Madame Gao's elevating proceedings a bit but I'll be pissed off if she dies and all that potential they've built up gets wasted in this series.

Everything else is starting to gel together a bit now but Danny just doesn't work. The writing around him is supremely clumsy (the whole talking to his master thing is PAINFUL) and he suffers from a major case of Barry-Allenitis in that he's got all this power and shouldn't really lose against anyone he's fought so far but he does because the plot demands it which makes him look incompetent in the process.

I'm also starting to sympathise with Ward, if I had to deal with that manchild day in day out i'd be popping pills too.

Also the Hand are pretty poor villains, they are just an amorphous organisation which is difficult to care about. They were the worst part of Daredevil S2 and they aren't much better here although Gao's presence is improving things.

[Tom4784]

Misty would just let the side down to be honest. She kept getting herself shot, lost her sh*t as soon as a gun was pointed at her, and with the time it took her to be "sure" about Luke's identity and then figure out that he wasn't a killer, she's frankly a terrible detective. Claire on the other hand is a nurse who became an adept superhero surgeon overnight and Colleen is a ninja. If they need another team mate they'd do better with a roided-up Trish... She was pretty hard core.

Trish can be a recurring character :nono:

[user104658]

Finished Episode 6, Madame Gao's elevating proceedings a bit but I'll be pissed off if she dies and all that potential they've built up gets wasted in this series.

Everything else is starting to gel together a bit now but Danny just doesn't work. The writing around him is supremely clumsy (the whole talking to his master thing is PAINFUL) and he suffers from a major case of Barry-Allenitis in that he's got all this power and shouldn't really lose against anyone he's fought so far but he does because the plot demands it which makes him look incompetent in the process.

I'm also starting to sympathise with Ward, if I had to deal with that manchild day in day out i'd be popping pills too.

Also the Hand are pretty poor villains, they are just an amorphous organisation which is difficult to care about. They were the worst part of Daredevil S2 and they aren't much better here although Gao's presence is improving things.

Think we're on the same episode... I don't think Rand actually has lost a fight yet though? They've made sort of a point of him "never losing", and the fact that he had to yield the tournament to save the girl didn't set well with him, he struggles to come to terms with it because he doesn't know how to not win. It's not quite as bad as Barry IMO. They make his powers (especially his top speed) totally inconsistent to fit whatever the plot of the week happens to be.

I think Ward is supposed to be a sympathetic character really. Just the product of his father, who is a really slimy little cretin :joker:. I'd actually say one of the most effective villains so far, purely on account of being so genuinely unlikable.

[Tom4784]

Think we're on the same episode... I don't think Rand actually has lost a fight yet though? They've made sort of a point of him "never losing", and the fact that he had to yield the tournament to save the girl didn't set well with him, he struggles to come to terms with it because he doesn't know how to not win. It's not quite as bad as Barry IMO. They make his powers (especially his top speed) totally inconsistent to fit whatever the plot of the week happens to be.

I think Ward is supposed to be a sympathetic character really. Just the product of his father, who is a really slimy little cretin :joker:. I'd actually say one of the most effective villains so far, purely on account of being so genuinely unlikable.

I think it's more to do with the fact that he struggles against grunts that bothers me, like that fight in the Lorry. It just feels like lazy writing.

I only sympathise with Ward because Danny's so unlikable though, I doubt that was the writer's intent :laugh:

[Scarlett.]

Ep.13 spoilers

I don't think Gao is with The Hand

[user104658]

Ep.13 spoilers

I don't think Gao is with The Hand

I've not watched that far yet but right from their first interaction, I've been thinking that there's a good chance that Gao is an ex-Iron Fist?

[Scarlett.]

I've not watched that far yet but right from their first interaction, I've been thinking that there's a good chance that Gao is an ex-Iron Fist?

There is a lot of mystery about her, so I'm not sure myself

[Niamh.]

:fan:

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[Scarlett.]

I've put some more thought into Iron Fist, and how it stacks up with the rest, I feel that unlike the other three, there is no great villains like Fisk, Kilgrave, Cottonmouth, Shades, or hell, even Diamondback (I think the fight would have been better if he looked less dorky, lol). While Iron Fist has some interesting characters, there is no real full on villain, Madame Gao is great, but that is thanks to Daredevil building the character up.

The fight scenes were pretty lacking too, the only one that stood out at all was the hatchet fight. Danny's motivations also don't seem to exist, he's in New York because...? I think for season 2, we definitely need more insight into the character, and a better overall plot.

[user104658]

Despite its flaws I've quite enjoyed plodding through it whilst pottering about doing other things, but that did make me realise something. It's definitely far less complex than the other three shows. You CAN watch it windowed whilst (for example) sitting in TiBB arguing the toss on SD, and still follow what's going on. I've gotten through the series much faster than I did with either DD series, Jones or Cage... And that's because all of those series demand your full attention. If you get distracted doing something else you constantly have to skip back because you missed something important to the plot. Doesn't happen with Iron Fist very often... Which suggests that the plot is pretty simple. I don't necessarily mind that, I like a good mix of easy viewing and more complex shows on my "to watch" list.

I do agree that Danny himself is massively under-developed as a character, though. He just doesn't make sense. He doesn't seem like he has the strength of mind required to SURVIVE 15 years of intense martial arts training... Let alone to thrive and become Iron Fist :think:. I mean, for all of Arrow's flaws in recent seasons (though I actually thought the most recent episode was above par) they at least have convincingly created a character who returned from his "missing" time as a completely different person to the rich kid who left. There's a clear path of him going from soft billionaire to hard as nails vigilante and it for the mostpart works. Danny Rand seems to have managed to spend 15 years in a monastery working himself half to death with training, being beaten with sticks for failure, and has come back... As exactly the same kid, except a martial arts master! It's not very plausible [emoji23].

[Tom4784]

I finished it.

It went from boring, to watchable but bad to straight up ****.

The plot is all over the place and the influx of random villains and enemies at the end is just stupid. Bakuto and Davos were literally there to fill up a few episodes and (in the process) their presence managed to totally destroy the only interesting orginal character in Iron First. Colleen being part of the Hand is a crap twist that makes no sense and completely derails her character, it makes her look dumb and naive which she wasn't before the twist happened. Also Harold and Bakuto make Diamondback look like a subtle and nuanced villain, I'm surprised there was any scenery left by the end given how they were feasting on it and not in a good way.

The whole last episode with Danny on the run just felt out of place, like the writers ran out of ideas and threw it together by taking inspirations from the most generic sources possible. The fact that they presented Harold as such a threat to Danny when they fought was just silly, like I said before, the writers have a bad habit of making Danny look incompetent because they don't know how to balance out his powers. Even with one hand, Danny should have destroyed Harold. What the writers SHOULD have done was introduce Davos earlier, develop him, have both Bakuto and Harold killed off before the last episode and have the last episode based around the build up of bad blood between Danny and Davos.

Don't even get me started on the fact that Joy went from turning against her dad because he framed Danny in one scene to wanting Danny dead for some nonsensical reason in the next. It was eye rolling-ly bad.

The only good points were Claire and Gao and the writers made the same mistake that Luke Cage's writers did in jettisoning Gao (IE the only interesting villain) partway through, thankfully they had the sense not to kill her off.

IF there's a season 2, I'm just going to read a plot summary. I can't watch another 13 hours of this ****.

[user104658]

https://image.ibb.co/b099Dv/danny_rand_phone_home.jpg

[user104658]

IF there's a season 2, I'm just going to read a plot summary. I can't watch another 13 hours of this ****.

To be fair, if there is an S2 I think it would be a fair bet that there will be some dramatic improvements. Because it's not a shown-while-still-filming series (obviously, being Netflix) they have to disadvantage of the product being set in stone before there's any feedback... and I think they'll have been taking serious note on the feedback on this one. The feedback for DD 1&2, JJ and LC was for the mostpart all good. This will have caught Marvelflix off guard and if they do run another Iron Fist series I'd imagine they will be trying very hard to redeem it. They can do that fairly easily in terms of production and writing... their main stumbling block of course is going to be Danny himself. I think the actor might just not be very good :think:. BUT It's sort of difficult to tell because some of the dialogue is so badly written. Like... my-7-year-old-could-have-written-this sort of bad. People being stabbed in the belly bleeding everywhere and someone being like "OMG u OK?" sort of bad :joker:.

[Tom4784]

To be fair, if there is an S2 I think it would be a fair bet that there will be some dramatic improvements. Because it's not a shown-while-still-filming series (obviously, being Netflix) they have to disadvantage of the product being set in stone before there's any feedback... and I think they'll have been taking serious note on the feedback on this one. The feedback for DD 1&2, JJ and LC was for the mostpart all good. This will have caught Marvelflix off guard and if they do run another Iron Fist series I'd imagine they will be trying very hard to redeem it. They can do that fairly easily in terms of production and writing... their main stumbling block of course is going to be Danny himself. I think the actor might just not be very good :think:. BUT It's sort of difficult to tell because some of the dialogue is so badly written. Like... my-7-year-old-could-have-written-this sort of bad. People being stabbed in the belly bleeding everywhere and someone being like "OMG u OK?" sort of bad :joker:.

I think there's always been one flaw that has been present in all the Marvelflix series (although it's affected JJ the least despite the efforts of the cop character whose name I've thankfully forgot) and that's that they nearly always lose steam halfway through due to poor narrative choices (although IF was a mess from the start).

Wilson Fisk became a drag in DD S1 because he was overexposed and the writers made a mistake in replacing the Daredevil/Punisher dynamic with generic ninjas in Season 2 instead of presenting an actual villain, They wasted Elektra in a similar fashion to Colleen as well. Iron Fist and Luke Cage both had the same issues in that they replaced an interesting villain with a contrived one (or three, in Iron Fist's case).

I don't think they've done a good job of learning from their mistakes thus far, I think the only hope of me bothering with S2 of IF is if the Defenders writers handle his character better and the IF writers follow their lead.

[user104658]

True, but I find that with a lot of series' to be fair. My prime example is American Horror Story, stopped watching that half way through the "freak show" one because EVERY season of it seems to start well and then end up an absolute shambles by the end.

My English teacher always taught me that with creative writing, you think up the beginning, then skip to the end and write that, before you even try to tackle the 90% in the middle. That seems to be a bit of a lost art with TV in general these days. So many shows start floundering half way through and then have no idea how to finish.

[user104658]

I found the inclusion of Claire in this one sort of problematic as well, though she's a good character. The issue this time was just... That it makes zero sense that she wouldn't contact Matt as soon as the trouble with The Hand started. Luke is out of action, Jessica doesn't want to be involved in these things... But DD is a full on costumed hero. Had it even been another organisation, fine, you could say it's "not his back yard" but... It's The Hand, who he is very much interested in, and very recently. It makes no sense at all that she wouldn't have give him a call straight away... But of course they're saving that for The Defenders.

And then again... I often have that same issue with the single-hero MCU titles. They always have really flimsy reasons for things like Cap and Black Widow not contacting the other avengers in Winter Soldier...

But at least they put the excuses in there! They needed that throwaway line of Claire saying "I know a guy who could help but he's away skiing this week sadly" or something...

[user104658]

Just remembered he's blind and most of his friends don't know he has ESP. :joker:

[Scarlett.]

Hopefully they cut the series' length down, 13 episodes is too much.

[Tom4784]

I found the inclusion of Claire in this one sort of problematic as well, though she's a good character. The issue this time was just... That it makes zero sense that she wouldn't contact Matt as soon as the trouble with The Hand started. Luke is out of action, Jessica doesn't want to be involved in these things... But DD is a full on costumed hero. Had it even been another organisation, fine, you could say it's "not his back yard" but... It's The Hand, who he is very much interested in, and very recently. It makes no sense at all that she wouldn't have give him a call straight away... But of course they're saving that for The Defenders.

And then again... I often have that same issue with the single-hero MCU titles. They always have really flimsy reasons for things like Cap and Black Widow not contacting the other avengers in Winter Soldier...

But at least they put the excuses in there! They needed that throwaway line of Claire saying "I know a guy who could help but he's away skiing this week sadly" or something...

Yeah, that was problematic but tbh I ****ing love Claire so I was glad she was there to elevate proceedings. I suppose the point of including her was to put her on a path where she could potentially be more than just the Defenders' nurse, I reckon she'll put those claws to good use in the crossover.

They did need more direct allusions to Luke and particularly Daredevil though, I agree that there had to be a real reason why Matt couldn't be involved in the fight against the Hand.

[Tom4784]

Hopefully they cut the series' length down, 13 episodes is too much.

AGREED. 8-10 episodes would be perfect.

[user104658]

AGREED. 8-10 episodes would be perfect.
Yeah that's probably true of all of them so far. I'd say JJ was the best paced overall but it also had a couple of episodes around the middle that dragged and could have been condensed.

[user104658]

Redeeming moment of the final episode: Danny and Ward get all tearful and emo and share their feelings; Hogarth is like ":umm2: wtf is this..." :joker:.

Also had to chuckle at Claire being like "You guys just respond to everything with violence, u has psychological problems. Now I'm just going to take these vicious razor sharp boxing claws and be on my way..."

[user104658]

Also lack of imagination from the MCU... ... ... is the Davos twist not EXACTLY the same twist as the "Mordo" twist in Doctor Strange? :think:

I also think they expected it to be surprising that Ward turned out to be the "good" Meachum sibling an Joy the one who would turn on Danny but for me that was really obvious from the very first flashback scene of them as kids. They went in TOO hard with the Joy/Danny friendship and Ward being "mean". It was an obvious switcheroo candidate. Maybe I just watch too much TV / too many films :laugh:.

[LukeB]

I’m on the 5th episode and its so boring.

[LukeB]

Finished it and it wasn't that good, most of it was boring. The fighting scenes were terrible but Colleen's ones were good and she was easily the star of the show, i found Danny dull. It was too predicable too, Harold being alive,coming back to life for the second time and was the reason why the plane crashed should have been a shock but they wasn't.

Daredevil > Jessica Jonas > Luke Cage > Iron Fist

I like all 3 marvel shows but Iron Fist

[Withano]

Imagine I've ignored this thread up to now cos I assumed it was a Netflix show about Thacher

[user104658]

Finished it and it wasn't that good, most of it was boring. The fighting scenes were terrible but Colleen's ones were good and she was easily the star of the show, i found Danny dull. It was too predicable too, Harold being alive,coming back to life for the second time and was the reason why the plane crashed should have been a shock but they wasn't.

Daredevil > Jessica Jonas > Luke Cage > Iron Fist

I like all 3 marvel shows but Iron FistYou should try watching Inhumans. It'll give you a new appreciation for ol' Iron Fist.