Town Centre full of beggers

[thesheriff443]

Just been to reading town centre and I'm not kidding its was full of beggars and homeless in every nook and granny, there was so many they where walking up to people and begging.

Something needs to be done, most of these people are begging for drug or drink money.

This filth needs to be cleared.

[Niamh.]

Just been to reading town centre and I'm not kidding its was full of beggars and homeless in every nook and granny, there was so many they where walking up to people and begging.

Something needs to be done, most of these people are begging for drug or drink money.

This filth needs to be cleared.

:o

[Vanessa]

Just been to reading town centre and I'm not kidding its was full of beggars and homeless in every nook and granny, there was so many they where walking up to people and begging.

Something needs to be done, most of these people are begging for drug or drink money.

This filth needs to be cleared.

Same in central London. There are so many.

[Alf]

Ring the Fire brigade, hose them out of town. They get a wash at the same time, two birds and all that.

[Crimson Dynamo]

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[Withano]

I was in Reading yesterday and saw literally none. But it doesnt surprise me, housing prices are high there, they're probably locals that cant afford rent.
The "filth" doesnt need to be cleared, the housing prices are the issue. You and I would both beg for money if we were unlucky enough to find ourselves in the same situation.

[Jack_]

'Filfth'

:umm2:

[Ronald.]

It's very unfortunate isn't it. You can't cross the road without bumping into one in Cardiff. I'm very compassionate and would like to help but I can't give change out everytime to every person I saw . When they're by the cash point it's worse. It makes me very uncomfortable. My wife mutters something offensive each time but I am just grateful it's not me or one of my daughters in that position. Something needs to be done it's true but what I don't know. R.

[thesheriff443]

I was in Reading yesterday and saw literally none. But it doesnt surprise me, housing prices are high there, they're probably locals that cant afford rent.
The "filth" doesnt need to be cleared, the housing prices are the issue. You and I would both beg for money if we were unlucky enough to find ourselves in the same situation.

They care more about getting drugs and drink than keeping a roof over their heads, just the other day I heard from a friend that works for maidenhead town hall that a guy living on the streets got a lovely one bed flat but instead of paying his rent he spent the money on drugs, I'm all for helping someone but not when these types take the piss.
And these people live in filth, go and have a bloody wash.

[Jack_]

You do realise drug addiction is an illness, right?

It's not called 'addiction' for fun

[Withano]

They care more about getting drugs and drink than keeping a roof over their heads, just the other day I heard from a friend that works for maidenhead town hall that a guy living on the streets got a lovely one bed flat but instead of paying his rent he spent the money on drugs, I'm all for helping someone but not when these types take the piss.
And these people live in filth, go and have a bloody wash.

Oh I was wrong, housing prices arent the issue. Weird presumptions and generalisations are.
Because apparently 'my m8 says this one guy' = 'every begger to ever exist ever'

[Niamh.]

Are these foreign beggers or British ones because if they are British shouldn't you all be looking after your own and all that?

[Crimson Dynamo]

Just do not give them money, ever, its a simple but effective way to eradicate begging. I was in Edinburgh the other week and there were 2 young chaps on Waverley bridge, sitting on their arses in the pouring rain. Now no one in their right mind would be so stupid unless you were not turning a very lucrative coin.

[Vicky.]

They must be foreign, as wasn't the whole reason for wanting to close our borders so we can look after our own...

[Crimson Dynamo]

They must be foreign, as wasn't the whole reason for wanting to close our borders so we can look after our own...

no it wasnt

[Vicky.]

Really..I saw that bandied around a lot. Heartwarming stories of little old ladies living like icicles and army vets on the street...that kind of thing.

[Niamh.]

Really..I saw that bandied around a lot. Heartwarming stories of little old ladies living like icicles and army vets on the street...that kind of thing.

Clock winders losing their jobs, probably a foreigner working there next week

[thesheriff443]

If you have an illness get help, the vast majority are English junkies and alcoholics, people may not know that if you have a drink or drug addiction you get benefits as you are classed as not being able to work they spend their benefits and beg for more drugs but if you are disabled you have to go to job seekers and prove you are looking for work.

[Tom4784]

The attitudes displayed on here towards the homeless is expected because those attitudes are of people who look for scapegoats to blame instead of accepting problems for what they are and doing something useful about them.

The homeless, unemployed, immigrants, single mothers, addicts. All have been blamed for society' woes by people content with burying their heads in the sand.

[Cherie]

Really..I saw that bandied around a lot. Heartwarming stories of little old ladies living like icicles and army vets on the street...that kind of thing.


Niamh is in Oireland :fist: we can't help her :hehe:

I heard IDS grilled about the 350 million a week for the NHS this morning, poor him he didn't know what to do with himself

[Jack_]

They must be foreign, as wasn't the whole reason for wanting to close our borders so we can look after our own...

:D

You know, what always makes me laugh is it's the exact same people who say 'charity begins at home' and 'we need to look after our own homeless' rather than refugees who are actually usually the ones to mock and turn their nose up at the idea of helping a homeless person

I'm actually tired of seeing 'when are you going to house a refugee?' because the real question is 'when are YOU going to house a homeless person?'

[Niamh.]

Niamh is in Oireland :fist: we can't help her :hehe:

I heard IDS grilled about the 350 million a week for the NHS this morning, poor him he didn't know what to do with himself

OMG I feel like I've become an icicle this last week, can't get the cold out of me at all :worry:

[Niamh.]

:D

You know, what always makes me laugh is it's the exact same people who say 'charity begins at home' and 'we need to look after our own homeless' rather than refugees who are actually usually the ones to mock and turn their nose up at the idea of helping a homeless person

I'm actually tired of seeing 'when are you going to house a refugee?' because the real question is 'when are YOU going to house a homeless person?'

Indeed Jack and equally those who are more sympathetic toward refugees are usually the very people who also sympathise with their indigenous badly off people eventhough people like to make out that they're politically correct foreigner lovers who hate their own people blah blah blah

[Crimson Dynamo]

Just give them no money whatsoever and they will go away.

[thesheriff443]

I doubt anyone on here as found there self in a drug rehab waiting room full of junkies talking openly how they bring friends urine with them to use when they get tested to see if they are drug free so they can stay on a methadone program.

[Cherie]

Indeed Jack and equally those who are more sympathetic toward refugees are usually the very people who also sympathise with their indigenous badly off people eventhough people like to make out that they're politically correct foreigner lovers who hate their own people blah blah blah

That's a bit black and white, in a situation where there are many shades of grey :nono:

[Niamh.]

That's a bit black and white, in a situation where there are many shades of grey :nono:

50 I believe

[thesheriff443]

50 I believe

You know you would do more than 50 niamh

[Niamh.]

You know you would do more than 50 niamh

I have no idea what this means :worry:

[Vicky.]

I doubt anyone on here as found there self in a drug rehab waiting room full of junkies talking openly how they bring friends urine with them to use when they get tested to see if they are drug free so they can stay on a methadone program.

Hmm. Maybe its different elsewhere in the country but oop North at places like that, they have to do a sample there and there , they aren't allowed to bring in pots of piss. I know this as my father in laws partner is on 'the methadone program' having spent a tough time in her life on heroin and working as an escort. Been on methadone for around 10 years now. I actually cannot imagine somewhere that has to monitor patients allowing random pisspots to be used tbh

[RichardG]

there's a lot in leeds city centre, i feel really bad for most of them

not so much the couple who came up to me yesterday saying that they had walked from manchester to liverpool to leeds since the morning trying to find a pound for a sandwich

:suspect:

[Tom4784]

I doubt anyone on here as found there self in a drug rehab waiting room full of junkies talking openly how they bring friends urine with them to use when they get tested to see if they are drug free so they can stay on a methadone program.

I love sweeping generalisations.

[thesheriff443]

50 I believe

I love sweeping generalisations.

Well have you?

[Tom4784]

Well have you?

Have you? I don't think you have if you think security is as lax at rehab centres as you think it is to allow such a con to easily happen never mind it being commonplace.

[thesheriff443]

Hmm. Maybe its different elsewhere in the country but oop North at places like that, they have to do a sample there and there , they aren't allowed to bring in pots of piss. I know this as my father in laws partner is on 'the methadone program' having spent a tough time in her life on heroin and working as an escort. Been on methadone for around 10 years now. I actually cannot imagine somewhere that has to monitor patients allowing random pisspots to be used tbh

Yes they do that check here but they put urine in a sering in their underwear

[Withano]

Well have you?

I DEFINITELY have. I decided one homeless man did not equal every homeless man. Why? What did you decide?

[thesheriff443]

GiHave you? I don't think you have if you think security is as lax at rehab centres as you think it is to allow such a con to happen.

I have been in them many times its not rehab like the priory.

[Tom4784]

Gi

I have been in them many times its not rehab like the priory.

Sure, Jan.

[thesheriff443]

Sure, Jan.

I don't need to lie.

[Tom4784]

I don't need to lie.

Hmm.

[thesheriff443]

I DEFINITELY have. I decided one homeless man did not equal every homeless man. Why? What did you decide?

Do you look at who is on the streets 90'per cent is young men.

[Tom4784]

Do you look at who is on the streets 90'per cent is young men.

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You get a sweeping generalisation and you get a sweeping generalisation! EVERYONE GETS A SWEEPING GENERALISATION.

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[Vicky.]

Most homeless people I see are older men.

[Cherie]

50 I believe

:joker:

[Cherie]

Most homeless people I see are older men.

its subjective though, they are probably old to you and young to Sherriff :hee:

[thesheriff443]

its subjective though, they are probably old to you and young to Sherriff :hee:

In town today 18 to 30 was the average two woman sleeping next to each other in a door way.

[Suze]

Better to go buy a hot drink and some cold eatables if you have some change to spare, than give money, as if they are really homeless they would welcome that. If they are begging for drink or drug money then they can't spend hot drink or food given to them.

[Crimson Dynamo]

I have actually been to the Priory, went there for 2 years in fact. Met quite a few famous people. Tru factoid.

[Tozzie]

I like to think I'd never be in a position where I would need to beg but in the state this country is in right now we can never say never. I do give money to street buskers because I enjoy people playing music but I never give money to beggars, many are drug takers and alcoholics and I don't want to feed their habit. I'd rather buy them a sandwich and a drink.

[Cherie]

I have actually been to the Priory, went there for 2 years in fact. Met quite a few famous people. Tru factoid.

:omgno: we are in the presence of celebrity.:hehe:


Just before Christmas there was a guy begging outside Lidl, he was dressed nicely and had a backpack, I didn't give him anything on they way in, but felt a bit bad so on the way out I asked if he would like a sandwich and a drink so he said okay but then got very picky about the type of sandwich he wanted..no cheese...and no apple juice :oh:

a few weeks later there was another guy offering to take back the trolley and keep the pound, I sat and watched he must have made 20.00 in 10 minutes :joker:

[thesheriff443]

I have actually been to the Priory, went there for 2 years in fact. Met quite a few famous people. Tru factoid.

Some of us on here have lived in big bad world and speak from experience.
The older you get the harder you get, people come to this country to make better life for them selves but there are a few that think we should take care of their addiction, its young fit men that are on the streets and why do you think their own family are not helping them!

They won't help them selves.

[Crimson Dynamo]

:omgno: we are in the presence of celebrity.:hehe:


Just before Christmas there was a guy begging outside Lidl, he was dressed nicely and had a backpack, I didn't give him anything on they way in, but felt a bit bad so on the way out I asked if he would like a sandwich and a drink so he said okay but then got very picky about the type of sandwich he wanted..no cheese...and no apple juice :oh:

a few weeks later there was another guy offering to take back the trolley and keep the pound, I sat and watched he must have made 20.00 in 10 minutes :joker:

I bought one of these £1 trolleys the other day, took a fair bit to get it in the back of the car but I am pretty pleased with it as a planter stand in my garden. Well done Aldi

If anyone wants one ALdi have tons for a quid just at the side of most of their stores

[Cherie]

I bought one of these £1 trolleys the other day, took a fair bit to get it in the back of the car but I am pretty pleased with it as a planter stand in my garden. Well done Aldi

If anyone wants one ALdi have tons for a quid just at the side of most of their stores

have you moved to a sink estate :unsure:

[Crimson Dynamo]

have you moved to a sink estate :unsure:

I do have horses out bin the back field but not in my front room

:think:

[Toy Soldier]

Some people begging are genuine, some aren't. If you can't tell the difference then I can only assume you're pretty gullible in general, because these are not skilled actors and whether or not they're sincere is easy to spot.

[Cherie]

Some people begging are genuine, some aren't. If you can't tell the difference then I can only assume you're pretty gullible in general, because these are not skilled actors and whether or not they're sincere is easy to spot.

Oh do tell your top ten guide to spotting a "genuine" begger, not sure if you think saying I was gullible, they guy I bought a sandwich for I have seen before when he asked me for a bus fare, that like the biggest scam there is, it was near Christmas so I just felt like buying him a sandwich, I just found it funny that he then got choosy about what he would eat. Just because someone is sitting in a doorway with a cardboard sign isn't an indicator of "genuine", there was a case of a guy posing as ex army recently who fooled a lot of people, so its not that simple, but I await your fool proof spotting techniques. :idc:

[Toy Soldier]

Oh do tell your top ten guide to spotting a "genuine" begger, not sure if you think saying I was gullible, they guy I bought a sandwich for I have seen before when he asked me for a bus fare, that like the biggest scam there is, it was near Christmas so I just felt like buying him a sandwich, I just found it funny that he then got choosy about what he would eat. Just because someone is sitting in a doorway with a cardboard sign isn't an indicator of "genuine", there was a case of a guy posing as ex army recently who fooled a lot of people, so its not that simple, but I await your fool proof spotting techniques. :idc:
Body language, tone of voice? Is their level of supposed desperation realistic for what they are saying? Spotting a scammer is a basic life skill that everyone should surely develop. I'm not saying it's foolproof but surely 94.69% of the time someone who is "at it" is easy to spot, as is someone who is in genuine need of help.

Then again maybe I don't give myself enough credit and it's not as easy as it seems. I do see a lot of people falling for "pickup artists", dodgy "hard sell" salesmen etc. and seeming genuinely shocked when it doesn't turn out brilliantly.

[Livia]

TS and his Super Skills. I'm surprised you're not teaching seminars to the security services.

Let's say half the people on the street are genuine, just for the sake of argument. You don't end that problem by allowing more and more people into the country while we scrabble around to build houses on the outskirts of every town and village.

[Black Dagger]

I doubt anyone on here as found there self in a drug rehab waiting room full of junkies talking openly how they bring friends urine with them to use when they get tested to see if they are drug free so they can stay on a methadone program.

I thought this was half about me then.

[Cherie]

Body language, tone of voice? Is their level of supposed desperation realistic for what they are saying? Spotting a scammer is a basic life skill that everyone should surely develop. I'm not saying it's foolproof but surely 94.69% of the time someone who is "at it" is easy to spot, as is someone who is in genuine need of help.

Then again maybe I don't give myself enough credit and it's not as easy as it seems. I do see a lot of people falling for "pickup artists", dodgy "hard sell" salesmen etc. and seeming genuinely shocked when it doesn't turn out brilliantly.

So for instance if you are being forced to beg you will have a level of desperation and the persons body language will reflect this, are they genuine?

[T*]

I think this should be moved to SN&D.

[Crimson Dynamo]

I think this should be moved to SN&D.

Unless we can find an immigration angle I think keep it here?

[Vicky.]

Oh do tell your top ten guide to spotting a "genuine" begger, not sure if you think saying I was gullible, they guy I bought a sandwich for I have seen before when he asked me for a bus fare, that like the biggest scam there is, it was near Christmas so I just felt like buying him a sandwich, I just found it funny that he then got choosy about what he would eat. Just because someone is sitting in a doorway with a cardboard sign isn't an indicator of "genuine", there was a case of a guy posing as ex army recently who fooled a lot of people, so its not that simple, but I await your fool proof spotting techniques. :idc:

I understand where you are coming from here, but being homeless doesn't make you like certain foods and stuff? I do kinda get the opinion that they should be happy for anything, but at the same time I think if I was on the streets and someone offered to buy me a sandwich I would probably be all 'no mustard, no mayo please' etc as I actually am sick if I eat some stuff :laugh:

[Crimson Dynamo]

I understand where you are coming from here, but being homeless doesn't make you like certain foods and stuff? I do kinda get the opinion that they should be happy for anything, but at the same time I think if I was on the streets and someone offered to buy me a sandwich I would probably be all 'no mustard, no mayo please' etc as I actually am sick if I eat some stuff :laugh:

:nono:

This is why we invented

"beggers cant be choosers"

[Vicky.]

:nono:

This is why we invented

"beggers cant be choosers"

Maybe. But if I was on the bones of my arse and someone bought me a cheese sandwich...it wouldn't help. As if I ate it, I would be less hungry for a few hours but then that would be followed by 3 days of migraines. So 3 days of feeling like I want to die AND being on the bones of my arse for the sake of a sandwich when I could have just said...thanks but no cheese please :laugh:

[arista]

Just been to reading town centre and I'm not kidding its was full of beggars and homeless in every nook and granny, there was so many they where walking up to people and begging.

Something needs to be done, most of these people are begging for drug or drink money.

This filth needs to be cleared.

Yes the problem is many of them
live in homes, they are scams
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[Cherie]

I understand where you are coming from here, but being homeless doesn't make you like certain foods and stuff? I do kinda get the opinion that they should be happy for anything, but at the same time I think if I was on the streets and someone offered to buy me a sandwich I would probably be all 'no mustard, no mayo please' etc as I actually am sick if I eat some stuff :laugh:

yeah fair enough, but then he got picky about what he wanted to drink as well, I could understand maybe he couldn't eat dairy but don't give me a shopping list :laugh:

[Josy]

In one of the towns near here they stand outside farm foods asking everyone that goes in or out for a quid then they meet up with the others at the end of the day and club together everything they've begged :shocked:

[Beso]

Some of us on here have lived in big bad world and speak from experience.
The older you get the harder you get, people come to this country to make better life for them selves but there are a few that think we should take care of their addiction, its young fit men that are on the streets and why do you think their own family are not helping them!

They won't help them selves.

To think its only fit young men on the streets proves your ignorance on the subject.

[thesheriff443]

To think its only fit young men on the streets proves your ignorance on the subject.

Its not only young men on the streets but 90 percent in the town centre on Thursday were young men I saw only two women in door ways, so don't use the word ingnorance when talking about me.

[Beso]

Its not only young men on the streets but 90 percent in the town centre on Thursday were young men I saw only two women in door ways, so don't use the word ingnorance when talking about me.



:joker: did you actually count them and do the maths?

Or not, maybe your just being ignorant as **** towards the actual homeless and needy.