UK University's Students Stopping Free Speech(new link added)

[arista]

Was just debated on SkyNewsHD
also live and for weeks on BBC2HD newsnight
Ch4HD news, Ch5HD news, LBC , R4 , R5,
and ITV1HD lunchtime news.

University's must allow Free Speech
not go the pathetic USA way.

Extreme -but non violent - Muslims,
Far Right Blonde fella from Europe,
Farage,
Corbyn,
IDS old boy,
and Tim Farron.
Should all have proper debates
feck sake that's what a University is for

[Alf]

Nineteen eighty four

[Tom4784]

This thread has no context to it so it's impossible to discuss anything.

Are students walking up to people on the green telling them they can't have opinions they don't like? Are they protesting a speaker or an event? I have no idea because you've provided no information or context.

[Niamh.]

Nineteen eighty four

I just bought that actually, I've never read it before

[jennyjuniper]

Well of course after their demands for 'safe spaces', banning free speech was surely going to follow soon after. It won't be long before some twonk wants 'free thought' banned too. I can just imagine the accusation 'He looked at me as if he were having white male privelege thoughts about me'. Utter madness.

[arista]

Nineteen eighty four


Yes how sad
UK Students are causing this.

One Fight on Ch4HDnews last week
had a Black girl student not having
the truth about a fella sitting right next to her

[arista]

I just bought that actually, I've never read it before


You could watch the Film
now on 1080P BluRay.

[Niamh.]

You could watch the Film
now on 1080P BluRay.

I would rather read the book first, I might watch it afterwards though

[Withano]

They still make BluRays?

And in regards to the OP, what are you on about?

[Tom4784]

Well of course after their demands for 'safe spaces', banning free speech was surely going to follow soon after. It won't be long before some twonk wants 'free thought' banned too. I can just imagine the accusation 'He looked at me as if he were having white male privelege thoughts about me'. Utter madness.

Based on what? Arista's original post proved no sources, no articles and barely anything aside from 'Universities stopping free speech' which is an unqualified statement.

[arista]

I would rather read the book first, I might watch it afterwards though


That is fair

[arista]

Based on what? Arista's original post proved no sources, no articles and barely anything aside from 'Universities stopping free speech' which is an unqualified statement.


Sure Dezzy I will soon.
you would have to be in a cave to miss one of the many debates
on Every TV news
and all talk radio.

Have some faith Dezzy
it would take me time to record it
again and transfer to my arista you tube account.


This is on from the left wing paper
and starting with Milo in USA
but this topic must stay as UK University crisis on free speech
As we have a busy thread on Milo
https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2017/feb/06/free-speech-milo-yiannopoulos-alt-right-far-right
None of the first post
is untrue.

Its not my Word (except the name list)
it was Live on TV news, today.

This link Left wing view blames our PM
so not balanced at all.
https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2016/sep/16/safe-spaces-free-speech-university-prevent-no-platforming-academic-freedom

[arista]

They still make BluRays?

And in regards to the OP, what are you on about?


Sure how else can I get DTSHD 8.1 Sound
and Dolby Atmos sound
your downloads do not match Quality Levels

There is also 4KBluray discs
with Higher HDR vision (for my Samsung 4KBluRay Player)
that High Quality Sound above anything you can have
on downloads or Netflix

[Firewire]

I'm not doing anything

[arista]

I'm not doing anything

OK you are not the Problem.


But these Left Wing Activists
in Every University are the Problem

[Kizzy]

The yoof are the problem! :fist:

No they aren't, the youth simply are not believing what they are being fed therefore they must be discredited.

[arista]

This thread has no context to it so it's impossible to discuss anything.

Are students walking up to people on the green telling them they can't have opinions they don't like? Are they protesting a speaker or an event? I have no idea because you've provided no information or context.


Yes they are
all the time.
It ends up on Live TV News
with one side asking for Free Speech
the other side saying Stop speakers at University's
thats a FACT


Yes no link yet, Dezzy

[Kizzy]

Yes they are
all the time.
It ends up on Live TV News
with one side asking for Free Speech
the other side saying Stop speakers at University's
thats a FACT


Yes no link yet, Dezzy

It not a fact it's someones subjective opinion.

[arista]

The yoof are the problem! :fist:

No they aren't, the youth simply are not believing what they are being fed therefore they must be discredited.


The 2 Young Students
on Ch4HD news
One fella wanted Free Speech

The Confused Black Girl did not
The Presenter just left them fighting.


this Clip is on DVD-R
bound for China Education
but I will upload it again
on my Arista tibb7 You Tube account
later , when I get time.
later.

[Kizzy]

The 2 Young Students
on Ch4HD news
One fella wanted Free Speech

The Confused Black Girl did not

The Presenter just left them fighting.

And that is representative of every uni how?

[arista]

And that is representative of every uni how?


Of course not
but its the most recent
other than SkyNewsHD Live TV debate, today
which was not recorded

[Tom4784]

Yes they are
all the time.
It ends up on Live TV News
with one side asking for Free Speech
the other side saying Stop speakers at University's
thats a FACT


Yes no link yet, Dezzy

So your argument is that universities are preventing free speech because some students are using their own right to freedom of speech to protest an event or a speaker?

Do you not realise the hypocrisy of what you are saying yet?

[arista]

So your argument is that universities are preventing free speech because some students are using their own right to freedom of speech to protest an event or a speaker?

Do you not realise the hypocrisy of what you are saying yet?

Of course its Hypocrisy - to your way of thinking
with respect


These Left Wing Activist's
are becoming Fascist , as they will stop Speakers.
But all Educated people at the University
want a fair debate - not it BLOCKED at the gate
Dezzy.

[Tom4784]

Of course its Hypocrisy - to your way of thinking
with respect


These Left Wing Activist's
are becoming Fascist , as they will stop Speakers.
But all Educated people at the University
want a fair debate - not it BLOCKED at the gate
Dezzy.

'Freedom of Speech but only to Right Wingers!'

[arista]

'Freedom of Speech but only to Right Wingers!'


No Left Wingers can Come and Debate, no problem,
Corbyn
is on MY LIST

[Kizzy]

Of course its Hypocrisy - to your way of thinking
with respect


These Left Wing Activist's
are becoming Fascist , as they will stop Speakers.
But all Educated people at the University
want a fair debate - not it BLOCKED at the gate
Dezzy.

Hang on, aren't the students not wanting the speakers educated?

[Tom4784]

No Left Wingers can Come and Debate, no problem,
Corbyn
is on MY LIST

These protesters have a right to protest, they are not infringing on anyone's freedom of speech but you seem happy to deny them theirs'.

[arista]

Hang on, aren't the students not wanting the speakers educated?


If they want to say that - fine

But Do Not Stop Speakers
thats I have listed on my first post.

The LibDem leader is on my list
he is Fully Educated, for example

[arista]

These protesters have a right to protest, they are not infringing on anyone's freedom of speech but you seem happy to deny them theirs'.


Dezzy Protests are Fine
so long as they are Not Violent,
or Criminal.
Protest away.

This thread is not about Protests
its about Left Wing Activists stopping
Free Speech.


You are Wrong Dezzy
I want Left and Right on the panel
at a Public Debate in the University


At a University
Free Speech is Essential
that's a FACT

[Kizzy]

We've heard from the students who don't want these speakers...where are the ones who do?

[reece(:]

Right wing activists are the ones wanting to stop free speech :think:

[arista]

We've heard from the students who don't want these speakers...where are the ones who do?

On all the TV debates
and Radio debates,


In a University
a Business Student
will not Shout about his Views
as many Left Wing Activists
stop him or her.
Thats wrong Kizzy

[arista]

Right wing activists are the ones wanting to stop free speech :think:

Not in the University
reece

[arista]

http://ichef-1.bbci.co.uk/news/624/media/images/79133000/jpg/_79133701_fb60345b-33b6-4a89-b1c7-85a5b305ac97.jpg
Yes Young Lady
Education is Power
but stay Legal.

[Withano]

People have the right to say what they want
Others have the right to tell them theyre talking ****
Wheres the problem?

I suppose its a never ending cycle

Left: You cant say that
Right: Freedom of speech
Left: Thats stupid
Right: You cant say that
Left: Freedom of speech
Right: Thats stupid

Etc and vice versa

[Vicky.]

Without an actual story...I can't quite understand the point of this thread? I know in America there have been issues with certain topics being banned from being spoke about and people no platformed for having different opinions. No platforming, or protesting about someone speaking at all who has a different view to you...I don't really see that as free speech at all. Not sure that comes across right so...

Person 1 holds the view that all flowers are blue.
Person 2 disagrees

Person 1 is due to speak at a event about flowers. Or about anything else...
Person 2 kicks up a huge fuss, goes to the organizers of said event, gets a protest ready...tries to completely stop person 1 from having a public voice. Just because person 1 holds the view that flowers are blue.
Person 1 is banned from said event because of an opinion that differs with person 2.

I do not think this is person 2 exercising their own right to free speech at all. They are free to tell person 1 that their opinion is ridiculous..argue the point and so on. But when it comes to actually stopping them speaking at all? That is wrong. And not simply exercising their own right to free speech at all tbh

[Crimson Dynamo]

I suppose they have to do something once they are done attending both their lectures for the week?

[Tregard]

Some of these messages are almost incomprehensible to me, but I can safely say if Milo Yiannopoulos was being paid to do his hateful little song and dance at my university I would protest that until I was blue in the face. Differing views are necessary for constructive conversation and progress, but just having dissenting opinions doesn't give you the right to a soapbox.

[arista]

Some of these messages are almost incomprehensible to me, but I can safely say if Milo Yiannopoulos was being paid to do his hateful little song and dance at my university I would protest that until I was blue in the face. Differing views are necessary for constructive conversation and progress, but just having dissenting opinions doesn't give you the right to a soapbox.


Please keep him out of this UK University thread
as we have a thread on him, already
http://www.thisisbigbrother.com/forums/showthread.php?t=312113

[jennyjuniper]

Based on what? Arista's original post proved no sources, no articles and barely anything aside from 'Universities stopping free speech' which is an unqualified statement.

Based on the fact that some American Universities are trying to prevent free speech, in case it offends someone,. Unfortunately when it happens in the States it doesn't usually take long to catch on in Britain and other countries where looney liberals proliferate.

[arista]

http://www.independent.co.uk/student/news/nine-10-uk-universities-free-speech-restrict-rankings-joseph-rowntree-cardiff-ediburgh-newcastle-a7577381.html

A Fresh Link for Dezzy
when he gets time .
A Colleague just sent me.

[More than nine in 10 UK universities are restrictive of free speech, according to a new report that raises concerns over the issue of censorship on campuses.

Analysis by Spiked magazine, supported by the Joseph Rowntree Reform Trust, suggested campus censorship had increased steadily over the past three years – with a growing number of institutions actively clamping down on ideas, literature and guest speakers that are not in keeping with their own values.

The Free Speech University Rankings (FSUR), drawn from examining the policies and bans of 115 universities and students’ unions, found almost two thirds (63.5 per cent) were “severely” restrictive of free speech, with more than 30 per cent given an “amber” warning.]


https://static.independent.co.uk/s3fs-public/styles/article_small/public/thumbnails/image/2016/04/25/13/peter-tatchell.jpg

[Brillopad]

The yoof are the problem! :fist:

No they aren't, the youth simply are not believing what they are being fed therefore they must be discredited.

The problem is ther ARE believing what they are being fed - from the PC brigade.

[Tom4784]

http://www.independent.co.uk/student/news/nine-10-uk-universities-free-speech-restrict-rankings-joseph-rowntree-cardiff-ediburgh-newcastle-a7577381.html

A Fresh Link for Dezzy
when he gets time .
A Colleague just sent me.

[More than nine in 10 UK universities are restrictive of free speech, according to a new report that raises concerns over the issue of censorship on campuses.

Analysis by Spiked magazine, supported by the Joseph Rowntree Reform Trust, suggested campus censorship had increased steadily over the past three years – with a growing number of institutions actively clamping down on ideas, literature and guest speakers that are not in keeping with their own values.

The Free Speech University Rankings (FSUR), drawn from examining the policies and bans of 115 universities and students’ unions, found almost two thirds (63.5 per cent) were “severely” restrictive of free speech, with more than 30 per cent given an “amber” warning.]


https://static.independent.co.uk/s3fs-public/styles/article_small/public/thumbnails/image/2016/04/25/13/peter-tatchell.jpg

Banning costumes isn't infringing on anyone's freedom of speech nor is preventing people from infringing on a mascot's image rights. Most business, schools and public places have a set of values that dictate what they allow and what they don't. It's not exactly infringing on freedom of speech by not allowing extremists to speak in public places. Unless they are ACTUALLY oppressing people's rights to their opinion then this is a nonstory from a group of people who do not understand what Freedom of Speech is and where it applies and where it doesn't.

[Kizzy]

The problem is ther ARE believing what they are being fed - from the PC brigade.

:joker: go peddle your nonsense words elsewhere please.

[Kizzy]

Personally I would say the 'free speech' decline came in just as the hate laws became legislation, what do you want unis full of hate clerics?
You can't have it both ways :/

[Kizzy]

On all the TV debates
and Radio debates,


In a University
a Business Student
will not Shout about his Views
as many Left Wing Activists
stop him or her.
Thats wrong Kizzy

Is it? I couldn't possibly comment as I don't know what the views are to form an opinion whether I feel that was right or wrong.

[Northern Monkey]

Without an actual story...I can't quite understand the point of this thread? I know in America there have been issues with certain topics being banned from being spoke about and people no platformed for having different opinions. No platforming, or protesting about someone speaking at all who has a different view to you...I don't really see that as free speech at all. Not sure that comes across right so...

Person 1 holds the view that all flowers are blue.
Person 2 disagrees

Person 1 is due to speak at a event about flowers. Or about anything else...
Person 2 kicks up a huge fuss, goes to the organizers of said event, gets a protest ready...tries to completely stop person 1 from having a public voice. Just because person 1 holds the view that flowers are blue.
Person 1 is banned from said event because of an opinion that differs with person 2.

I do not think this is person 2 exercising their own right to free speech at all. They are free to tell person 1 that their opinion is ridiculous..argue the point and so on. But when it comes to actually stopping them speaking at all? That is wrong. And not simply exercising their own right to free speech at all tbh
This exactly

[arista]

"Unless they are ACTUALLY oppressing people's rights to their opinion then this is a nonstory from a group of people who do not understand what Freedom of Speech"

Yes I understand you Dezzy
Freedom Of Speech.

Info Wars com fella had it
out with Andrew Neil
on the BBC Daily Politics , Andrew was right
of course.

But it is a Legit Story
I am sorry no video yet.
Technical problems


I thank John Oliver for a Top show
last night on UK SkyAtlanticHD
his HBO show is Outstanding, Dezzy,

Thank you Dezzy for going through that Fresh Link
but it is still the case that Left Wing Activists
are not being legal.
A debate in a University
is good enough for Live Ch4HD TV
at the same time.
Now if Left Wing Protesters
invade that gig
they will be removed and the
Left Vs Right live Debate also on live TV
will carry on.


I hope you can see the sense in all this
Thank You for Your Time .... Dezzy.

[Brillopad]

:joker: go peddle your nonsense words elsewhere please.

Latest tactic hey! :joker:

[Brillopad]

Personally I would say the 'free speech' decline came in just as the hate laws became legislation, what do you want unis full of hate clerics?
You can't have it both ways :/

The fact you attempt to automatically label any opposition to your views as 'hate' shows that both sets of opinions need to be heard in order for 'free speech' to actually mean free speech.

Where would we be without a bit of balance!

[user104658]

TiL from TiBB: an awful lot of people don't actually understand what the right to free speech is.

Hint: it is not the right to say whatever you want, whenever you want, without consequences and it never has been. Not ever.

[Brillopad]

Non-abusive opinions that are in disagreement with the thinking of some left leaners do not equate to speech not entitled to be heard.

Some seem very confused between disagreement and opinion, however unpopular with some, and the type of speech not suitable for public expression.

[Kizzy]

The fact you attempt to automatically label any opposition to your views as 'hate' shows that both sets of opinions need to be heard in order for 'free speech' to actually mean free speech.

Where would we be without a bit of balance!

Who mentioned my views?... these are the decisions made by student bodies in universities, what I'm saying is if the speakers could be seen to be breaking hate laws then it wouldn't be very good for the image of the uni to host them would it?
Free speech is free speech and hate speech is hate speech, they are clearly defined in law.

[Kizzy]

Latest tactic hey! :joker:

Yes, it's how I respond when someone is too lazy to form a reasoned response so they just throw some random acronym at me.

[arista]

TiL from TiBB: an awful lot of people don't actually understand what the right to free speech is.

Hint: it is not the right to say whatever you want, whenever you want, without consequences and it never has been. Not ever.

Bang on Right TS

But if I walked into a University
with my big USA made Trump Jacket
would the "left wing fools"
chuck drink on me?
I think we need to, do this with
covert 4k Cameras.
And stereo mics all hidden.


Perfect for a show on Ch4HD , Ch5HD, Sky1HD
& SkyAtlantic4K (via SkyQ only.)


Sign Of The Times