More than 50 million Muslims are willing to support those who carry out terror attack

[Crimson Dynamo]

More than 50 million Muslims are willing to support those who carry out terror attacks to defend their religion, migration expert warns the EU


Professor Ruud Koopmans of the Netherlands warned the EU on Monday to block the entry of any refugees whose identity cannot be categorically confirmed
Koopmans said of the 1billion adult Muslims in the world, half are conservative
He claimed that of these 500million conservative Muslims, at least – and probably more – than 50million are willing to sanction violence
The migration researcher stressed that not every one of them was ready to exert violence directly


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A migration expert warns that there are more than 50 million Muslims willing to accept violence and support those who carry out terror attacks to defend their religion.

Professor Ruud Koopmans of the Netherlands warned the EU on Monday to block the entry of any refugees whose identity cannot be categorically confirmed.

Koopmans said that of the 1billion adult Muslims in the world, 'half of them are attached to an arch-conservative Islam which places little worth on the rights of women, homosexuals, and people of other faiths'.

In an interview with a German news website he claimed that of these 500million conservative Muslims, at least – and probably more – than 50million are willing to sanction violence.

The migration researcher stressed that not every one of them was ready to exert violence directly.

But he added: 'They support the radicals, they encourage them and provide them shelter or simply keep their mouths shut when they observe radicalization.'

He says he considers his own estimate of 50million 'an understatement', citing studies that show eight per cent of German Muslims agreed to the use of violence against 'Infidels,' while in his own country 11 per cent of Muslims agreed with the statement: 'There are situations in which it is acceptable for me from the perspective of my religion, that I use violence'.

In several Islamic countries, 14 per cent of local Muslims think suicide attacks against innocents are 'sometimes' or 'often' justified to defend Islam, said Koopmans, citing a study by the US-based Pew Research Center.

I'm very conservative with my estimate of 50million violent Muslims,' added Professor Koopmans.

The expert sees a 'clear difference' between anti-Islam baiting and justified criticism of Islam.

He went on: 'There is nothing wrong with foreign cultures, as long as they are looking for the connection to the majority in society and actually enrich our countries.

'But those who are here to spread their medieval beliefs, which are unfortunately widespread in Islamic countries, must be met with zero tolerance'.

He stressed that the EU should be much more careful to let suspected Islamists have uncontrolled travel to and within Europe.

He sad refugees and migrants should be placed initially in transit zones, 'as long as their identity is unclear'.

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Shocking:shocked:

[thesheriff443]

You can get killed in your own house by one of your own kids.
This day in day out mud throwing at muslims is getting old fast.

[Crimson Dynamo]

You can get killed in your own house by one of your own kids.
This day in day out mud throwing at muslims is getting old fast.

I may take issue with your first point

:umm2:

[Denver]

I want hard proof not just hear say

[thesheriff443]

I may take issue with your first point

:umm2:
You can take what you want from my post

[user104658]

If there are 50 million ready to support violence to defend their religion if they feel like it is under attack, I think the best course of action is probably to make them feel like they're under attack.

Q: What percentage of Christians would be willing to endorse violence to defend Christianity if they felt like it was under attack?

Hypothetical A: probably at least 5%.

[Withano]

A migration expert needs a valid source. Does he have one. no? Was an extensive survey ever carried out? No. Did he -literally- mean half of all Muslims? No, even the smaller studies suggested a maximum of 14% (we should see those studies before we take that figure seriously). Did the daily mail trick you with an anti-muslim clickbait title. Yeh Soz, theyre grateful for the ad revenue though.

[Shaun]

Sounds legit tbh.

But then the vast underfunding of education in these countries is the primary problem, as is true with much of southern Asia/much of Africa. I'd be willing to stake that most extreme branches of Islam thrive off of intimidation and removing or heavily restricting what children (let alone female children) are taught.

For every example of us showing welcome in times of refuge, there needs to be a more concerted effort to educate (but that's not going to take importance over the US' need to sell them weapons I suppose).

[Livia]

Great post, Shaun.

[VanessaFeltz.]

I want hard proof not just hear say

Proof i live in a muslim majority country and when they get control they tend to get very vile.

Western left wing people need to understand that half of the muslims are bad people with vile beliefs.

I stand against when muslim people get bullied for being muslim or they do not get enterance just because they are muslim. Everyone deserves to have same amount of rights, we are all humans. However european countries should be very very careful who they are letting into their countries and not take people if they dont know their identities.

I will talk about this every time the subject opens up because it is a very important subject to me and i realise you guys have very good intentions when you are supporting them but these people victimise themselves and then when they are in control they destroy everyone who have a different opinion.

As i said easily half of the muslims do not have good intentions and lots of muslims would agree with me on this issue. In the ideal world everyone from all kinds of backgrounds should live in peace with love but at this time we should be careful.

For the violence thing.. These people attack their own minority groups in their own countries, how you can be sure that they wont supports the attacks on other religions?

[user104658]

Sounds legit tbh.

But then the vast underfunding of education in these countries is the primary problem, as is true with much of southern Asia/much of Africa. I'd be willing to stake that most extreme branches of Islam thrive off of intimidation and removing or heavily restricting what children (let alone female children) are taught.

For every example of us showing welcome in times of refuge, there needs to be a more concerted effort to educate (but that's not going to take importance over the US' need to sell them weapons I suppose).
The problem there is though, it doesn't explain why Western-educated people, and in fact many entirely westernised socially (you see old pictures of them with diverse groups of friends / playing playstation and listening to music like any other teen) are able to be targeted and radicalised. There has to be much more to it.

[Kizzy]

You can get killed in your own house by one of your own kids.
This day in day out mud throwing at muslims is getting old fast.

Yup, old and boring.
Wasn't the sun hauled over the coals for these fake 'polls'?

[Shaun]

The problem there is though, it doesn't explain why Western-educated people, and in fact many entirely westernised socially (you see old pictures of them with diverse groups of friends / playing playstation and listening to music like any other teen) are able to be targeted and radicalised. There has to be much more to it.

True, but these seem to usually suggest some kind of sociopath tendencies and perhaps it's just the trendier version of grabbing a gun and shooting up the school. Sounds more exciting if you're getting on the news. Grooming I suppose would come into it too, what with those three girls who flew off to Syria last year (or was it the year before?)

[jennyjuniper]

Anyone who uses religion as an acceptable excuse to commit violence is cowardly scum.

[Vicky.]

Anyone who uses religion as an acceptable excuse to commit violence is cowardly scum.

Indeed. It is not religion that creates the violence, but it gets blamed. If there were no religions, it would just be something else being blamed. Some people are just dickheads...no reason needed :shrug:

[Brillopad]

Proof i live in a muslim majority country and when they get control they tend to get very vile.

Western left wing people need to understand that half of the muslims are bad people with vile beliefs.

I stand against when muslim people get bullied for being muslim or they do not get enterance just because they are muslim. Everyone deserves to have same amount of rights, we are all humans. However european countries should be very very careful who they are letting into their countries and not take people if they dont know their identities.

I will talk about this every time the subject opens up because it is a very important subject to me and i realise you guys have very good intentions when you are supporting them but these people victimise themselves and then when they are in control they destroy everyone who have a different opinion.

As i said easily half of the muslims do not have good intentions and lots of muslims would agree with me on this issue. In the ideal world everyone from all kinds of backgrounds should live in peace with love but at this time we should be careful.

For the violence thing.. These people attack their own minority groups in their own countries, how you can be sure that they wont supports the attacks on other religions?

Again a very good post MelihV

[Cherie]

Proof i live in a muslim majority country and when they get control they tend to get very vile.

Western left wing people need to understand that half of the muslims are bad people with vile beliefs.

I stand against when muslim people get bullied for being muslim or they do not get enterance just because they are muslim. Everyone deserves to have same amount of rights, we are all humans. However european countries should be very very careful who they are letting into their countries and not take people if they dont know their identities.

I will talk about this every time the subject opens up because it is a very important subject to me and i realise you guys have very good intentions when you are supporting them but these people victimise themselves and then when they are in control they destroy everyone who have a different opinion.

As i said easily half of the muslims do not have good intentions and lots of muslims would agree with me on this issue. In the ideal world everyone from all kinds of backgrounds should live in peace with love but at this time we should be careful.

For the violence thing.. These people attack their own minority groups in their own countries, how you can be sure that they wont supports the attacks on other religions?

Heartfelt post from someone who lives in Turkey, read and digest.

[Cherie]

Again a very good post MelihV

Will he be called a bigot and a racist :fist:

[Brillopad]

Will he be called a bigot and a racist :fist:

Only by fools and those who only hear what they want to hear!

[VanessaFeltz.]

Will he be called a bigot and a racist :fist:

That would be the stupidest thing :nono::nono:

I could go on for pages after pages but the point is that you guys are against a bunch of people will never be happy enough after everything you do for them. It happened here, it will happen there as well. I care about this society because this society has a place for everyone regardless of their colour, race, sexuality, gender, religion.

[Cherie]

That would be the stupidest thing :nono::nono:

I could go on for pages after pages but the point is that you guys are against a bunch of people will never be happy enough after everything you do for them. It happened here, it will happen there as well. I care about this society because this society has a place for everyone regardless of their colour, race, sexuality, gender, religion.



I hear you Meli. ,I hope other people on this forum who won't hear a word said against Islam and some of its followers hear you too, but I fear your posts will be overlooked

[Kizzy]

I hear you Meli. ,I hope other people on this forum who won't hear a word said against Islam and some of its followers hear you too, but I fear your posts will be overlooked

Who are these 'other people'? I don't know ANYONE on this forum who won't have a word said against Islam Cherie.
So enlighten me please, I watched the vid in the link and that flies in the face of the premis in the OP, as the French Muslim seemed pretty seriously against extremism within his faith, as did the millions who marched last November.

[DemolitionRed]

Proof i live in a muslim majority country and when they get control they tend to get very vile.

Western left wing people need to understand that half of the muslims are bad people with vile beliefs.

I stand against when muslim people get bullied for being muslim or they do not get enterance just because they are muslim. Everyone deserves to have same amount of rights, we are all humans. However european countries should be very very careful who they are letting into their countries and not take people if they dont know their identities.

I will talk about this every time the subject opens up because it is a very important subject to me and i realise you guys have very good intentions when you are supporting them but these people victimise themselves and then when they are in control they destroy everyone who have a different opinion.

As i said easily half of the muslims do not have good intentions and lots of muslims would agree with me on this issue. In the ideal world everyone from all kinds of backgrounds should live in peace with love but at this time we should be careful.

For the violence thing.. These people attack their own minority groups in their own countries, how you can be sure that they wont supports the attacks on other religions?

Do you mind if I ask what religion you are?
Also, you suggest that half the Muslims in your country are vile. Is that the Sunni half or the Shiite half?

[Northern Monkey]

10 percent is not an unrealistic number.It actually seems kind of low tbh.

[Brillopad]

Do you mind if I ask what religion you are?
Also, you suggest that half the Muslims in your country are vile. Is that the Sunni half or the Shiite half?

The suggestion being that they his/ her opinions are based on what type of Muslims they are and therefore bias. Very weak!!! That would of course work both ways.

[VanessaFeltz.]

Do you mind if I ask what religion you are?
Also, you suggest that half the Muslims in your country are vile. Is that the Sunni half or the Shiite half?

I used to be a muslim but i am deist now, i only believe in god.

Yes i can honestly say half of the muslims are here are vile people. For example there is an upcoming election and it is a very important one. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Turkish_constitutional_referendum,_2017 Basically if we say yes then parliment loses control and the president gets a big amount of control. They are not showing no campaings on the tvs and they are firing anyone who says no on their social media accounts but they keep the ones that say yes even probably promote them. Also we have been called terorists, country haters and a supporter of coup. (lol)

Human rights are basically non existent. Last LGBT walk was basically destroyed and they were thretaned to be killed. Women do get beat up daily and the people who that get arrested then get released on the same day. None of this happened 15 years ago before they took over the country. You know why they are able to do this? Because they victimise themselves so much and at first we let them do it.

We dont really have much Shiite believers here but we have Alevism. Alevi people are also muslim but they get bullied by sunni people and often called non teists. Also everything bad happens here is because of other countries in their eyes because you are out to get them (:laugh:)

I think you can take Turkish people as a great example when you are looking at general muslim population. Also dont feel sad for them for not getting education or something, they really dont want to get educated and they destroyed the whole education in turkey in such a short time.

[Cherie]

Who are these 'other people'? I don't know ANYONE on this forum who won't have a word said against Islam Cherie.
So enlighten me please, I wavtched the vid in the link and that flies in the face of the premis in the OP, as the French Muslim seemed pretty seriously against extremism within his faith, as did the millions who marched last November.

I do

[Cherie]

I used to be a muslim but i am deist now, i only believe in god.

Yes i can honestly say half of the muslims are here are vile people. For example there is an upcoming election and it is a very important one. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Turkish_constitutional_referendum,_2017 Basically if we say yes then parliment loses control and the president gets a big amount of control. They are not showing no campaings on the tvs and they are firing anyone who says no on their social media accounts but they keep the ones that say yes even probably promote them. Also we have been called terorists, country haters and a supporter of coup. (lol)

Human rights are basically non existent. Last LGBT walk was basically destroyed and they were thretaned to be killed. Women do get beat up daily and the people who that get arrested then get released on the same day. None of this happened 15 years ago before they took over the country. You know why they are able to do this? Because they victimise themselves so much and at first we let them do it.

We dont really have much Shiite believers here but we have Alevism. Alevi people are also muslim but they get bullied by sunni people and often called non teists. Also everything bad happens here is because of other countries in their eyes because you are out to get them (:laugh:)

I think you can take Turkish people as a great example when you are looking at general muslim population. Also dont feel sad for them for not getting education or something, they really dont want to get educated and they destroyed the whole education in turkey in such a short time.

Scary that in such a short time there has been so much change

[Cherie]

The tumble weed through this thread :idc:

[Crimson Dynamo]

I used to be a muslim but i am deist now, i only believe in god.

Yes i can honestly say half of the muslims are here are vile people. For example there is an upcoming election and it is a very important one. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Turkish_constitutional_referendum,_2017 Basically if we say yes then parliment loses control and the president gets a big amount of control. They are not showing no campaings on the tvs and they are firing anyone who says no on their social media accounts but they keep the ones that say yes even probably promote them. Also we have been called terorists, country haters and a supporter of coup. (lol)

Human rights are basically non existent. Last LGBT walk was basically destroyed and they were thretaned to be killed. Women do get beat up daily and the people who that get arrested then get released on the same day. None of this happened 15 years ago before they took over the country. You know why they are able to do this? Because they victimise themselves so much and at first we let them do it.

We dont really have much Shiite believers here but we have Alevism. Alevi people are also muslim but they get bullied by sunni people and often called non teists. Also everything bad happens here is because of other countries in their eyes because you are out to get them (:laugh:)

I think you can take Turkish people as a great example when you are looking at general muslim population. Also dont feel sad for them for not getting education or something, they really dont want to get educated and they destroyed the whole education in turkey in such a short time.


Thank you for real time evidence in this thread. Its certainly a very serious issue.

[user104658]

The tumble weed through this thread :idc:

...

Who are these 'other people'? I don't know ANYONE on this forum who won't have a word said against Islam Cherie.
So enlighten me please

I do

I think we're all still waiting for you, Cherie. :shrug:

[Cherie]

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I think we're all still waiting for you, Cherie. :shrug:



I don't think this is the burning issue of the thread

[user104658]

I don't think this is the burning issue of the thread

It is now. I for one have been holding my breath since 9am and am starting to seriously worry about my health.

[Cherie]

It is now. I for one have been holding my breath since 9am and am starting to seriously worry about my health.

Continue holding :hee:

[user104658]

Continue holding :hee:

b-b-b-b-b-b-b-b-but that means...