Forget political correctness, it's all about populist correctness

[Jack_]

Populist correctness: the new PC culture of Trump's America and Brexit Britain

Rightwing snowflakes are offended by everything from Kermit to holiday greetings and Starbucks cups

An Englishman, a Frenchman and an American man walk into a bar and make whatever jokes they want because – have you heard? – political correctness is dead. Donald Trump and Brexit have sent it to its grave. You can say whatever you like now, offend whoever you like!

Well, not quite.

From the gender-neutral ashes of political correctness a new sort of PC culture has risen. You could call it populist correctness: a virulent policing of language and stifling of debate that is rapidly and perniciously insinuating itself into daily life in Trump’s America and Brexit Britain.

Populist correctness is the smearing and silencing of points of view by labelling them “elitist” – and therefore at odds with the will of the people and the good of the country. Take, for example, the rhetoric around “remoaners”, which can be summed up as “the people have spoken, so the rest of you should shut up”. Opposing Brexit, Britain’s tabloids tell us almost daily, is unpatriotic and undemocratic. See, for example, front-page headlines such as: “Damn the unpatriotic Bremoaners and their plot to subvert the will of the British people” and “Time to silence Brexit whingers. Silencing opposing views would normally be seen as incompatible with the freedom of speech conservatives are supposed to hold so dear.

But the cunning thing about populist correctness is the way it dresses dogma up as democracy, invoking a majority consensus of opinion it doesn’t actually command. Theresa May, for example, recently warned MPs not to stand in the way of Brexit, stating: “Now is not the time to obstruct the democratically expressed wishes of the British people.” Strictly speaking, of course, Brexit wasn’t the will of the people. About 17.4 million people voted leave; 16.1 million voted remain; 12.9 million didn’t vote. The wishes of the British people are complicated. The same goes for the US, where almost 3 million more Americans voted for Clinton than for Trump. But populist correctness doesn’t bother itself with inconvenient details. Rather it carves the country up into a neat dichotomy of ordinary people versus the elite.

As well as silencing opposing opinions by branding them elitist, populist correctness works to rebrand ideas, creating a new vocabulary for a new world order. The right prides itself on being straight-talking, on calling a spade a spade, but when it comes to calling a Nazi a Nazi or a racist a racist – well then, things are more vague. They are the “alt-right”, please. Use unacceptable terminology and they will get very angry indeed.

But what’s this? I thought an easily triggered outrage button was the preserve of politically correct liberals? From the vitriol the right heaps on “sensitive snowflakes”, you’d think they have skins as thick as elephants. Far from it: nobody is offended by quite such a wide range of banal things as conservatives. Everything from insufficiently Christmassy Starbucks coffee cups to Budweiser ads to Kermit the Frog’s lack of trousers seems to cause an outpouring of outrage. And, while jokes about minorities or women may be considered just banter, don’t even try joking about white people – that’s reverse-racism! Indeed, many triggered rightwingers recently deleted their Netflix accounts in protest against a new comedy show called Dear White People.

Holiday greetings are another hot-button issue. A survey by Public Policy Polling found “very conservative” Americans were more than twice as likely to be personally offended by someone saying “Happy holidays” to them (21%) as “very liberal” respondents to be offended by someone saying “Merry Christmas” (10%) to them.

Kneeling down can also trigger conservatives. Last year, the American football player Colin Kaepernick refused to stand for the national anthem to protest against racism. This caused distress to many “patriots”. A conservative post that went viral said: “My heart is exploding, my lungs are without air … my body is shaking, and tears are running down my face. Kaepernick … is refusing to stand for the national anthem.” But liberals are the sensitive snowflakes eh?

Trump is, of course, king of the snowflakes, flying into a rage at any hint of criticism. He has even, seemingly unironically, called for safe spaces. Last year, after cast members of Hamilton politely criticised Mike Pence, he tweeted: “The theater must always be a safe and special place. The cast of Hamilton was very rude last night to a very good man, Mike Pence. Apologize!”

Conservatives are impressively adept at belittling politically correct snowflakes one minute and flying into fits of ideological outrage the next. Snowflakes are to be mocked because they take things personally; their feelings are hurt. The outrage of populist correctness, however, is framed more as righteous indignation. It is not you who is offended. You are offended on behalf of the people. On behalf of your country. Your outrage is morally superior.

The most dangerous thing about populist correctness is the way liberals have been swept into it. Always keen for a little self-flagellation, the triumph of Trump and Brexit triggered a crisis of liberal confidence. Perhaps we have been out-of-touch and elitist, wrote columnist after columnist. Perhaps political correctness did go too far. Perhaps we shouldn’t say “racist”, perhaps we should say “alt-right”. Populist correctness isn’t just making us question our right to dissent, it’s quite literally putting words in our mouths.

The Guardian (https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2017/feb/19/populist-correctness-new-pc-culture-trump-america-brexit-britain)

****ING NAILED IT :cheer2::cheer2: :cheer2: :cheer2: :cheer2: :cheer2::cheer2::cheer2: :cheer2:

[user104658]

Conservatives are impressively adept at belittling politically correct snowflakes one minute and flying into fits of ideological outrage the next. Snowflakes are to be mocked because they take things personally; their feelings are hurt. The outrage of populist correctness, however, is framed more as righteous indignation. It is not you who is offended. You are offended on behalf of the people. On behalf of your country. Your outrage is morally superior.

This is oddly relevant to another current thread :think:

[arista]

Yes Jack
its all Change

8 Years of Full Steam Ahead

[Niamh.]

That was a good read Jack. I think people in general need to start walking a little bit more towards the middle though

[user104658]

Know what the funniest and most ironic part of it is?

There's a HUGE number of right-wing snowflakes in the comments bawling and whining about the article :joker:.

[RichardG]

i agree with what the article is trying to say but then i'd also mostly agree with a right wing article saying the same about people on the left. those on either extreme can be very hypocritical, it's human nature. :laugh:

[King Gizzard]

:clap2:

[James]

I think it is the Internet that has created, or given prominence to, 'snowflake-ism'.

It doesn't matter which side of politics it is - just look at so many Youtube comment sections and you'll see people getting offended or complaining at the slightest thing.

Like much on-line though, it doesn't necessarily reflect the real-world views of most people.

[arista]

I think it is the Internet that has created, or given prominence to, 'snowflake-ism'.

It doesn't matter which side of politics it is - just look at so many Youtube comment sections and you'll see people getting offended or complaining at the slightest thing.

Like much on-line though, it doesn't necessarily reflect the real-world views of most people.


Yes James
none of this is in
Morrisons or AsdaWalmart

[Niamh.]

I think it is the Internet that has created, or given prominence to, 'snowflake-ism'.

It doesn't matter which side of politics it is - just look at so many Youtube comment sections and you'll see people getting offended or complaining at the slightest thing.

Like much on-line though, it doesn't necessarily reflect the real-world views of most people.

Hopefully not although my daughter told me something triggered her the other day :worry: She was joking but it was the first time I'd ever heard a real life person say it

[ebandit]

.......be proud of your differences.........why? is it suddenly no-no to poke fun at others
differences........................

.......don't let others gag ya................express yersel...................

Mark L

[arista]

Hopefully not although my daughter told me something triggered her the other day :worry: She was joking but it was the first time I'd ever heard a real life person say it


How Nice

[Niamh.]

How Nice

She's lucky she was :nono:

[Withano]

Saying populist correctness gone mad to snowflakes is going to be my new thing.

[user104658]

Like much on-line though, it doesn't necessarily reflect the real-world views of most people.

What worries me though is that I think it usually DOES reflect the real world views of people... it's just that in the real world people are more inclined to mask or tone down their opinions if they're too "out there". People are more inclined to toe the middle ground for the sake of appearances but online will just let it all fly. It's still "in there" at all times.

Plus we're now starting to get to the point where young adults have grown up "with internet" and social media. It's a completely intertwined part of normal social interaction for people under the age of 20.

[Kizzy]

Wonderful article thanks Jack, I disagree that it isn't ever present in society as a double standard is becoming more and more evident everywhere.
Buzzwords, soundbites and media spin are losing their pull ( finally) Thanks for the most part to Trump, he has allowed the scales to fall for many and see how easy it is to influence the masses into believing what is and isn't real... This realisation although terrifying has had a positive outcome in that we are again learning to think for ourselves.
Which is why this article will resonate as the public wake up to the fact WE decide what it is we are enraged about and it ISN'T kermit, it's the NHS, jobs, living standards, homes and our families futures.

[Niamh.]

What exactly is the kermit thing about, i never heard anything about that

[Kizzy]

I don't know :laugh: ... I just picked that from the text, but in my view it's something that is given an appearance of being a huge affront to values, culture or moral standards that in in reality are totally meaningless... Say for instance the latest UKIP headline relating to fish and chips! Who cares about fish and chips?
How are fish and chips going to impact on my life in any significant way?... They aren't, ergo the whole issue surrounding them is pointless, what are UKIP going to do about what really matters to people and their daily struggle?... feck knows, they're too busy babbling on about fish and chips!

Arrrggghhhh!!!

[user104658]

What exactly is the kermit thing about, i never heard anything about that

Some people were upset because he doesn't wear pants and so by implication his little Kermit is out.

[user104658]

I don't know :laugh: ... I just picked that from the text, but in my view it's something that is given an appearance of being a huge affront to values, culture or moral standards that in in reality are totally meaningless... Say for instance the latest UKIP headline relating to fish and chips! Who cares about fish and chips?
How are fish and chips going to impact on my life in any significant way?... They aren't, ergo the whole issue surrounding them is pointless, what are UKIP going to do about what really matters to people and their daily struggle?... feck knows, they're too busy babbling on about fish and chips!

Arrrggghhhh!!!

Don't Mention The Fish And Chips Thing!

It triggers LT.

[Niamh.]

Some people were upset because he doesn't wear pants and so by implication his little Kermit is out.

ah stop :laugh: Do frogs even have willies?

[Vicky.]

I think it is the Internet that has created, or given prominence to, 'snowflake-ism'.

It doesn't matter which side of politics it is - just look at so many Youtube comment sections and you'll see people getting offended or complaining at the slightest thing.

Like much on-line though, it doesn't necessarily reflect the real-world views of most people.

Indeed. Luckily (unlike Niamh) I have yet to hear 'triggered' in real life. I do tend to find though, the it is the more...right wing...people I know that get offended by everything and get oh so wound up about trivial topics. On the other hand, the most ridiculous person I know is far left...so swings and roundabouts I guess.

A lot of topic that get people very wound up online are just not an issue in real life. Or not round here anyway

[Crimson Dynamo]

"Trump is, of course, king of the snowflakes, flying into a rage at any hint of criticism"

Good to see the failing Guardian using its top trained journalists to report fact and not resort to clickbait gutter journalism to please generation lose....

:idc:

[arista]

"A lot of topic that get people very wound up online are just not an issue in real life. Or not round here anyway "

How Nice Vicky

[Vicky.]

"Trump is, of course, king of the snowflakes, flying into a rage at any hint of criticism"

Good to see the failing Guardian using its top trained journalists to report fact and not resort to clickbait gutter journalism to please generation lose....

:idc:

Are you denying trump is the snowflakiest snowflake of all?

The president of the united states going on twitter rants as someone called him orange is not normal tbh

[Niamh.]

Are you denying trump is the snowflakiest snowflake of all?

The president of the united states going on twitter rants as someone called him orange is not normal tbh

racism :nono:

[Tom4784]

The Guardian (https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2017/feb/19/populist-correctness-new-pc-culture-trump-america-brexit-britain)

****ING NAILED IT :cheer2::cheer2: :cheer2: :cheer2: :cheer2: :cheer2::cheer2::cheer2: :cheer2:

http://i.imgur.com/kJ6jHsz.gif

[Livia]

Luckily, no "snowflakes" on the Left.

Zero surprise this article comes from the Guardian, natural habitat of the Snowflake.

[Shaun]

Thought you were sick of that word Livia :nono:

[Livia]

Thought you were sick of that word Livia :nono:

I am. Totally and utterly sick of it. It's just got too nasty here and it's been allowed to continue... it was fun, but now it's just spiteful and ridiculous.

[Scarlett.]

"Trump is, of course, king of the snowflakes, flying into a rage at any hint of criticism"

Good to see the failing Guardian using its top trained journalists to report fact and not resort to clickbait gutter journalism to please generation lose....

:idc:

Look at this man, despite your viewpoint, left or right, you can't deny the man is an actual idiot, not good.

mplfnRytV-E

[Withano]

Some people were upset because he doesn't wear pants and so by implication his little Kermit is out.

What If he's been wearing green skinny jeans all along?

[Withano]

"Trump is, of course, king of the snowflakes, flying into a rage at any hint of criticism"

Good to see the failing Guardian using its top trained journalists to report fact and not resort to clickbait gutter journalism to please generation lose....

:idc:

Populist correctness gone mad

[the truth]

The Guardian (https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2017/feb/19/populist-correctness-new-pc-culture-trump-america-brexit-britain)

****ING NAILED IT :cheer2::cheer2: :cheer2: :cheer2: :cheer2: :cheer2::cheer2::cheer2: :cheer2:

the only honest part of that post is the part where you keep quoting me at the end...white men ARE the more discriminated against in the UK than anyone bar the disabled. the reason the anti politician is rising is because left wing bigots tried to deny the public freedom of speech

[Tom4784]

the only honest part of that post is the part where you keep quoting me at the end...white men ARE the more discriminated against in the UK than anyone bar the disabled. the reason the anti politician is rising is because left wing bigots tried to deny the public freedom of speech

Sure, Jan.

[the truth]

The left have become pathetically precious, they scream racism and sexism regardless of the debate. yet they blew up a country and murdered over a million innocent people, yet they see nothing racist in that, but they do get oh so offended by petty drivel like the word snowflake. the left bankrupted the country, destroyed sme's, killed a million innocents, had the filthiest hospitals in europe and created a bigger gap between rich and poor than for 200 years. They dont respect anything, the dont respect the economy, freedom of speech, job creation, business opportunity, sovereignty, civil liberties, freedom of speech, tax payers money , they disrespect safety of the public, they are anti common sense, they did nothing for the working class communities, nothing for the vast industrial areas and nothing for those millions in those broken jobless communities...they are a disgrace to the human race

[Tom4784]

The left have become pathetically precious, they scream racism and sexism regardless of the debate. yet they blew up a country and murdered over a million innocent people, yet they see nothing racist in that, but they do get oh so offended by petty drivel like the word snowflake. the left bankrupted the country, destroyed sme's, killed a million innocents, had the filthiest hospitals in europe and created a bigger gap between rich and poor than for 200 years. They dont respect anything, the dont respect the economy, freedom of speech, job creation, business opportunity, sovereignty, civil liberties, freedom of speech, tax payers money , they disrespect safety of the public, they are anti common sense, they did nothing for the working class communities, nothing for the vast industrial areas and nothing for those millions in those broken jobless communities...they are a disgrace to the human race

You've got such a good imagination :clap1:. You should try writing.

[the truth]

You've got such a good imagination :clap1:. You should try writing.

You have neither facts or fiction, so keep away from writing

[smudgie]

I am. Totally and utterly sick of it. It's just got too nasty here and it's been allowed to continue... it was fun, but now it's just spiteful and ridiculous.

Let it go over your head Livia, we both know that you and I are Sunbeams.

[Tom4784]

You have neither facts or fiction, so keep away from writing

http://oi59.tinypic.com/1znppo2.jpg

[Smithy]

Wow this tea burnt me :(

[Brillopad]

The Guardian (https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2017/feb/19/populist-correctness-new-pc-culture-trump-america-brexit-britain)

****ING NAILED IT :cheer2::cheer2: :cheer2: :cheer2: :cheer2: :cheer2::cheer2::cheer2: :cheer2:

Nailed it - that left wing rag hey - not likely to say anything else are they. :joker::joker::joker::joker::joker::joker:

[Jack_]

'The Guardian' isn't an entity with the capacity to 'say' or indeed write anything. It isn't a person. Nor, for the record, is it a 'rag' - it's a broadsheet.

The piece in the OP is not an editorial, nor is it an article, it's a column written by Arwa Mahdawi - one I happen to believe 'nailed it'. There is no 'they'.

Quite what you are trying to get at is beyond me.

:joker::joker::joker::joker::joker::joker:

[Smithy]

'The Guardian' isn't an entity with the capacity to 'say' or indeed write anything. It isn't a person. Nor, for the record, is it a 'rag' - it's a broadsheet.

The piece in the OP is not an editorial, nor is it an article, it's a column written by Arwa Mahdawi - one I happen to believe 'nailed it'. There is no 'they'.

Quite what you are trying to get at is beyond me.

:joker::joker::joker::joker::joker::joker:

Poor snowflakes :(

[Brillopad]

'The Guardian' isn't an entity with the capacity to 'say' or indeed write anything. It isn't a person. Nor, for the record, is it a 'rag' - it's a broadsheet.

The piece in the OP is not an editorial, nor is it an article, it's a column written by Arwa Mahdawi - one I happen to believe 'nailed it'. There is no 'they'.

Quite what you are trying to get at is beyond me.

:joker::joker::joker::joker::joker::joker:

It's the puppet whose left-wing master does all the talking. Mr Mahdawi doesn't exactly sound unbiased on the subject, in keeping with the general left-wing stance of the paper.

So forgive this alleged 'snowflake' for taking such biased drivel with the pinch of salt it deserves. :hehe

[Withano]

It's the puppet whose left-wing master does all the talking. Mr Mahdawi doesn't exactly sound unbiased on the subject, in keeping with the general left-wing stance of the paper.

So forgive this alleged 'snowflake' for taking such biased drivel with the pinch of salt it deserves. :hehe

Populist correctness gone mad

[Crimson Dynamo]

Are you denying trump is the snowflakiest snowflake of all?

The president of the united states going on twitter rants as someone called him orange is not normal tbh

I am, Its so refreshing to see a politician who is normal, not an automaton pc gonk spouting what they think wont get them blame

it a breath of fresh air

:clap1:

[Jack_]

It's the puppet whose left-wing master does all the talking. Mr Mahdawi doesn't exactly sound unbiased on the subject, in keeping with the general left-wing stance of the paper.

So forgive this alleged 'snowflake' for taking such biased drivel with the pinch of salt it deserves. :hehe

Well for starters, Arwa is a Mrs not a Mr - so one can only assume you didn't bother to check the source and dare I say even read the column.

Secondly, what is there to be unbiased or biased about? What exactly is this 'subject' you speak of? This is an opinion piece about the alleged hypocrisy of the terms 'snowflake', 'safe space' and 'PC' levelled at those on the left by some sections of the right. It isn't a news story, there is no facts or 'fake news'. It's a column.

Finally, much like many of the other Comment is Free columnists she does not work solely for The Guardian and so this 'master' nonsense you've invented seems utterly bizarre and completely misplaced. The next time Katie Hopkins or Piers Morgan write a column for The Sun or the Mail respectively, can I expect to see you deriding them for bowing to their right wing masters and writing what their overlords want them to? I'm guessing not.

Populist correctness gone mad, it seems.

[Jamie89]

It's an excellent article. I think generally that there's too much 'us and them' in politics and I suppose articles like this might perpetuate that, but then again it's just a reaction really to so many things that have happened in politics recently, and I do think it's correct in what it's saying and the hypocrisies it's highlighting. Specifically the reaction many people had after Brexit in trying to shut down people who opposed it, which I agree goes completely against freedom of speech and democracy. So it's good to see things like that get highlighted.

[Marsh.]

Who started this "snowflakes" sh*t? It's annoying as ****.

[Brillopad]

Well for starters, Arwa is a Mrs not a Mr - so one can only assume you didn't bother to check the source and dare I say even read the column.

Secondly, what is there to be unbiased or biased about? What exactly is this 'subject' you speak of? This is an opinion piece about the alleged hypocrisy of the terms 'snowflake', 'safe space' and 'PC' levelled at those on the left by some sections of the right. It isn't a news story, there is no facts or 'fake news'. It's a column.

Finally, much like many of the other Comment is Free columnists she does not work solely for The Guardian and so this 'master' nonsense you've invented seems utterly bizarre and completely misplaced. The next time Katie Hopkins or Piers Morgan write a column for The Sun or the Mail respectively, can I expect to see you deriding them for bowing to their right wing masters and writing what their overlords want them to? I'm guessing not.

Populist correctness gone mad, it seems.

Takes one to know one perhaps.

[Jack_]

Takes one to know one perhaps.

Ah, you can always tell when someone's run out of a counter argument when they respond to a lengthy post with a one sentence reply. Especially if said sentence is as feeble and juvenile as 'takes one to know one'.

Glad to know I was right.

[Scarlett.]

Also, regarding the whole 'political correctness' bull****
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/C5JOLnzWMAIjSKj.jpg

[Brillopad]

Ah, you can always tell when someone's run out of a counter argument when they respond to a lengthy post with a one sentence reply. Especially if said sentence is as feeble and juvenile as 'takes one to know one'.

Glad to know I was right.

Sometimes brief is more appropriate. Lengthy in itself is not an indication of quality but if it makes you feel better to think your post was 'too challenging'' go ahead.

Seriously Jack I have no problem with your post I just feel that your approval of the comments expressed in the column were solely based on it's obvious left-wing bias which is in keeping with your own views. It was as you say an opinion-based column not a statement of fact.

[Northern Monkey]

Who started this "snowflakes" sh*t? It's annoying as ****.

I think it's just an internet thing from Tumblr.A site i've never been to.From what i've read it was used to describe people who think they deserve a medal for saying they're different.Like calling themselves 'gender fluid' etc to try and look edgy.It's another ridiculous term that should never have made into real life speech like 'check your privilege'.I think these things mainly start making it into the actual conversations in American universities and then get spread back onto places like Youtube and the cycle perpetuates.
I agree it's annoying as ****.
Whenever i hear it or read it i always assume it's being used ironically.I really very much doubt that anyone over the age of twenty uses it in real life.

[Jack_]

Sometimes brief is more appropriate. Lengthy in itself is not an indication of quality but if it makes you feel better to think your post was 'too challenging'' go ahead.

Seriously Jack I have no problem with your post I just feel that your approval of the comments expressed in the column were solely based on it's obvious left-wing bias which is in keeping with your own views. It was as you say an opinion-based column not a statement of fact.

Brief would've been appropriate had your response actually addressed any of the points I made, but it didn't. It was juvenile and akin to 'I know you are but what am I', which is quite frankly just laughable.

...where did I say it was a statement of fact? You clearly aren't reading my posts because I've tried to explain to you on several occasions that the piece wasn't an article or a news story but a column that expressed the opinion of the author, which I happened to agree with. I actually said that. Of course I'm going to agree with it, what a futile thing to point out. Next time someone posts an article or column that you agree with I'll be sure to point out for absolutely no reason at all that the only reason you agree with it is because it aligns with your own views.

Seriously. What a complete waste of time.

[Northern Monkey]

I can understand why the author wrote this tbf.It's a reactionary piece.A kind of fighting back type thing.You can tell she spends a fair amount of time on the internet by her use of the word 'snowflake'.Nobody(or barely anybody) uses that term off the internet.
I can see why the left are so angry atm.They all get tarred with the same brush as the far left,The real looney left.Not every and infact most left leaning people are like that at all.Most are sensible and moderate in their opinions just as most on the right.
It's abit like people on the right being branded as far right and racist etc when that is a very small minority.People on both sides are being lumped in with the extreme ends of those sides.
It has kind of got out of hand.
It's like tit for tat from both sides.I think the whole left/right thing is outdated now anyway.Most people i think are somewhere in the middle.

[Withano]

'I know you are but what am I',

She genuinely uses this all the time. I think she thinks its a zinger.

[Niamh.]

I think it's just an internet thing from Tumblr.A site i've never been to.From what i've read it was used to describe people who think they deserve a medal for saying they're different.Like calling themselves 'gender fluid' etc to try and look edgy.It's another ridiculous term that should never have made into real life speech like 'check your privilege'.I think these things mainly start making it into the actual conversations in American universities and then get spread back onto places like Youtube and the cycle perpetuates.
I agree it's annoying as ****.
Whenever i hear it or read it i always assume it's being used ironically.I really very much doubt that anyone over the age of twenty uses it in real life.

The very first time I heard it used actually was by katie Hopkins...of course that would be one she would latch onto

[Niamh.]

I can understand why the author wrote this tbf.It's a reactionary piece.A kind of fighting back type thing.You can tell she spends a fair amount of time on the internet by her use of the word 'snowflake'.Nobody(or barely anybody) uses that term off the internet.
I can see why the left are so angry atm.They all get tarred with the same brush as the far left,The real looney left.Not every and infact most left leaning people are like that at all.Most are sensible and moderate in their opinions just as most on the right.
It's abit like people on the right being branded as far right and racist etc when that is a very small minority.People on both sides are being lumped in with the extreme ends of those sides.
It has kind of got out of hand.
It's like tit for tat from both sides.I think the whole left/right thing is outdated now anyway.Most people i think are somewhere in the middle.

Yes I totally agree. I think people who lean slightly either way feel like they have to back everything left or right atm for some strange reason though

[Tom4784]

Takes one to know one perhaps.

Back to the playground tactics, I see.

[Brillopad]

Back to the playground tactics, I see.

Indeed.

[Kizzy]

I am. Totally and utterly sick of it. It's just got too nasty here and it's been allowed to continue... it was fun, but now it's just spiteful and ridiculous.

It hasn't gotten nasty, what has happened is the people using it to cause offence are offended it has been adopted by those it was intended to offend...It was fun before then, but now it's just being ridiculed as the nonsense term it is it's spiteful and ridiculous.

Or is it simply that it was funny when the term was levied right to left but now it goes left to right it's spiteful and ridiculous? which is a mahoosive double standard.

[Withano]

It hasn't gotten nasty, what has happened is the people using it to cause offence are offended it has been adopted by those it was intended to offend...It was fun before then, but now it's just being ridiculed as the nonsense term it is it's spiteful and ridiculous.

Or is it simply that it was funny when the term was levied right to left but now it goes left to right it's spiteful and ridiculous? which is a mahoosive double standard.

:joker: this is an excellent post. Wrap up warm, Kizzy. I have a feeling a blizzard is coming your way.