Net migration to UK falls sharply after Brexit vote

[Northern Monkey]

:clap1:
Well done Brexit

Net migration to Britain fell by 49,000 to 273,000 last year, according to official figures that include the three months after the Brexit vote.

The latest quarterly migration figures from the Office for National Statistics show that immigration fell by 23,000 to 596,000 in the 12 months to last September while emigration rose by 26,000 to 323,000.

The fall in annual net immigration to below 300,000 is the first substantial drop in the politically sensitive figure for more than four years and will come as a relief to Theresa May, who has recently renewed her target to get it below 100,000.


https://www.google.co.uk/amp/s/amp.theguardian.com/uk-news/2017/feb/23/net-migration-to-uk-falls-by-49000-after-brexit-vote

[Crimson Dynamo]

Theresa, ha impact

[Livia]

Record numbers arriving from Bulgaria and Romania, though. I don't think I've said this before... but Nigel Farage was right on the money about that one.

[Brillopad]

:clap1:
Well done Brexit

Net migration to Britain fell by 49,000 to 273,000 last year, according to official figures that include the three months after the Brexit vote.

The latest quarterly migration figures from the Office for National Statistics show that immigration fell by 23,000 to 596,000 in the 12 months to last September while emigration rose by 26,000 to 323,000.

The fall in annual net immigration to below 300,000 is the first substantial drop in the politically sensitive figure for more than four years and will come as a relief to Theresa May, who has recently renewed her target to get it below 100,000.


https://www.google.co.uk/amp/s/amp.theguardian.com/uk-news/2017/feb/23/net-migration-to-uk-falls-by-49000-after-brexit-vote

Welcome news for many. Personally I believe we should set up a strict points system like Australia , it clearly works well for them and is the best way to go to protect Britsh interests.

[user104658]

You realise that as this is not down to any sort of legislation but rather is down to choice, right? That means that the reduction in people coming is due to no longer feeling welcome in Britain. So it's not the refugees and unskilled labour who have stopped coming. It's the people who have a choice on where they want to go. The professionals and skilled individuals. The people who we not only WANT to be attracting to the UK... But who are essential. Well done Brexit. Clappy clappy clap1. You've successfully made Britain unattractive to skilled migrants and they're going elsewhere.

This is only good news for people who simply "don't like foreigners", because the drop almost certainly represents migrants who would be overall net contributers to the UK economy.

[Kizzy]

You realise that as this is not down to any sort of legislation but rather is down to choice, right? That means that the reduction in people coming is due to no longer feeling welcome in Britain. So it's not the refugees and unskilled labour who have stopped coming. It's the people who have a choice on where they want to go. The professionals and skilled individuals. The people who we not only WANT to be attracting to the UK... But who are essential. Well done Brexit. Clappy clappy clap1. You've successfully made Britain unattractive to skilled migrants and they're going elsewhere.

This is only good news for people who simply "don't like foreigners", because the drop almost certainly represents migrants who would be overall net contributers to the UK economy.

:clap1: :clap1: :clap1:

[Brillopad]

You realise that as this is not down to any sort of legislation but rather is down to choice, right? That means that the reduction in people coming is due to no longer feeling welcome in Britain. So it's not the refugees and unskilled labour who have stopped coming. It's the people who have a choice on where they want to go. The professionals and skilled individuals. The people who we not only WANT to be attracting to the UK... But who are essential. Well done Brexit. Clappy clappy clap1. You've successfully made Britain unattractive to skilled migrants and they're going elsewhere.

This is only good news for people who simply "don't like foreigners", because the drop almost certainly represents migrants who would be overall net contributers to the UK economy.

Supposition.

[Kizzy]

I thought brexit wasn't about immigration anyway... :/

[Mystic Mock]

:clap1:
Well done Brexit

Net migration to Britain fell by 49,000 to 273,000 last year, according to official figures that include the three months after the Brexit vote.

The latest quarterly migration figures from the Office for National Statistics show that immigration fell by 23,000 to 596,000 in the 12 months to last September while emigration rose by 26,000 to 323,000.

The fall in annual net immigration to below 300,000 is the first substantial drop in the politically sensitive figure for more than four years and will come as a relief to Theresa May, who has recently renewed her target to get it below 100,000.


https://www.google.co.uk/amp/s/amp.theguardian.com/uk-news/2017/feb/23/net-migration-to-uk-falls-by-49000-after-brexit-vote

What about the most important thing for any country the Economy?:smug:

[Mystic Mock]

Welcome news for many. Personally I believe we should set up a strict points system like Australia , it clearly works well for them and is the best way to go to protect Britsh interests.

An unpopular opinion with many, but the UK is more forward thinking than the Australian Government, the day we start copying them is the day where some of our freedoms will be gone as they ban anything even remotely controversial.

[user104658]

Supposition.
Hypothesis. And an extremely likely one.

If you were a foreign professional, and had the choice of working anywhere in the world, would YOU move your family to the UK in 2016/17?

[user104658]

An unpopular opinion with many, but the UK is more forward thinking than the Australian Government, the day we start copying them is the day where some of our freedoms will be gone as they ban anything even remotely controversial.
True, most Australian gamers import any 15+ rated games from other countries, because the Aussie copies usually have loads of the content censored. And for PC games you often get unofficial patches for Australian players to restore cut content.

[Brillopad]

Hypothesis. And an extremely likely one.

If you were a foreign professional, and had the choice of working anywhere in the world, would YOU move your family to the UK in 2016/17?

I'd choose Australia.

[Mystic Mock]

True, most Australian gamers import any 15+ rated games from other countries, because the Aussie copies usually have loads of the content censored. And for PC games you often get unofficial patches for Australian players to restore cut content.

Exactly, and it was Australia that actually banned Mortal Kombat.:joker:

[arista]

Record numbers arriving from Bulgaria and Romania, though. I don't think I've said this before... but Nigel Farage was right on the money about that one.


Yes
that needs tracking

[arista]

Hypothesis. And an extremely likely one.

If you were a foreign professional, and had the choice of working anywhere in the world, would YOU move your family to the UK in 2016/17?


No I would do the Contract
take the Money home to my Family


Time is Money

[Withano]

I'd choose Australia.

Precisely lol. Skilled immigrants do not want the UK.

[smudgie]

Might have more to do with the new benefit rules..just saying.:shrug:

[the truth]

the beauty of brexit is we can choose who we allow to live in our country....net migration may not fall drastically, but illegal immigration will and we will be able to decide who we need and who needs our help the most....as it stands we are restricted how many doctors and nurses we can get outside the EU nations, thats insane

[the truth]

Might have more to do with the new benefit rules..just saying.:shrug:

of course thats a huge factor

[RichardG]

personally i'm trying to get to hong kong

or singapore

:fc:

[Vicky.]

Obviously...people moving here (professionals especially) are unsure about if they could even stay to work. I wouldn't move my family somewhere where it was uncertain if my job would even be remaining in a year or so...

[Tom4784]

It's not surprising, skilled migrants that have a choice won't choose the UK over more welcoming countries.

[Tom4784]

Might have more to do with the new benefit rules..just saying.:shrug:

The rules since the start of 2016 is that a jobseeking migrant can only claim for a very short period of time and they need offer up proof of a job offer by the end of that period otherwise they'll lose their benefits and their right to stay in the country.

I doubt benefits has anything to do with why immigration is down otherwise it would have taken a hit before now.

[Crimson Dynamo]

Its out Governments aim to get this number right down and that is what the majority of the UK wants , hence why we voted in the Conservatives

Democracy at work


:clap1:

[Smithy]

would be quite interesting to see the emigration rate too over that period

[the truth]

It's not surprising, skilled migrants that have a choice won't choose the UK over more welcoming countries.

more false supposition

[Rogan Josh]

Record numbers arriving from Bulgaria and Romania, though. I don't think I've said this before... but Nigel Farage was right on the money about that one.

No one is under any illusion that these people are only coming for benefits. They are economic migrants that we don't need.

[the truth]

lets hope trump can get rid of political correctness and replace it with political truth

[arista]

I thought brexit wasn't about immigration anyway... :/

The Vote was Not
for many of us.
Like Me or Celeb Ian Dale on LBC


However, "some" who
Voted on the 23rd of June 2016,
live in bad zones
that have become a mess...............

[Rogan Josh]

The Vote was Not
for many of us.
Like Me or Celeb Ian Dale on LBC


However, "some" who
Voted on the 23rd of June 2016,
live in bad zones
that have become a mess...............

All the politicians seem to be afraid to speak about 'the elephant in the room' .

[Livia]

So if skilled workers aren't coming - and it's only supposition to think they aren't - maybe we could train British people how to be skilled workers? Seems like a great idea to me.

[Rogan Josh]

So if skilled workers aren't coming - and it's only supposition to think they aren't - maybe we could train British people how to be skilled workers? Seems like a great idea to me.

It is a great idea, if enough of them are willing to be trained and are interested enough. I have known quite a few people who would be happy to be trained to be skilled , if only they could get a reply to an application for a job, but therein lies the problem, who wants British workers?:shrug:

[Livia]

It is a great idea, if enough of them are willing to be trained and are interested enough. I have known quite a few people who would be happy to be trained to be skilled , if only they could get a reply to an application for a job, but therein lies the problem, who wants British workers?:shrug:

You imply that an employer would take a qualified foreign candidate over a qualified British worker. In the case of skilled workers, professionals, people with trade qualifications, I don't think that's the case.

[Rogan Josh]

You imply that an employer would take a qualified foreign candidate over a qualified British worker. In the case of skilled workers, professionals, people with trade qualifications, I don't think that's the case.
Some skilled people from the UK are lucky enough to find employment, if they win the lottery of getting a response to their applications, but it is a fact that some employers appear to favour foreign workers over British workers. There could be varying reasons for this, I have heard quite a few British employers saying foreign workers are better timekeepers. I personally don't agree with that as I have known many people who are very good timekeepers and are British and the poor timekeepers are in the minority, only in my own experience, I cannot comment for anyone else.

[Livia]

Some skilled people from the UK are lucky enough to find employment, if they win the lottery of getting a response to their applications, but it is a fact that some employers appear to favour foreign workers over British workers. There could be varying reasons for this, I have heard quite a few British employers saying foreign workers are better timekeepers. I personally don't agree with that as I have known many people who are very good timekeepers and are British and the poor timekeepers are in the minority, only in my own experience, I cannot comment for anyone else.

I think that's mostly supposition. I'm sure there will be a couple of places like that... but most employers want someone suitably qualified to do the job and who speaks fluent English.

[Rogan Josh]

I think that's mostly supposition. I'm sure there will be a couple of places like that... but most employers want someone suitably qualified to do the job and who speaks fluent English.

Yes, I know and you are entitled to your opinion on this subject, but I have known several people, very well qualified, in their chosen field, who have not even been given an interview with some British companies. One was a nephew who had a reply, got an interview with a British company and was interviewed by an Eastern European human resources manager, who employed an Eastern European person for the job. Who is to say who was better qualified to do the job?

[Vicky.]

So if skilled workers aren't coming - and it's only supposition to think they aren't - maybe we could train British people how to be skilled workers? Seems like a great idea to me.

It is a great idea. However we need to support those people whilst they are learning of course. We have a shortage of people training to be doctors and nurses and such as it is :S I don't think discouraging trained people from coming here is a good thing as it realy does seem we need them...I hope I am proved wrong though

[Rogan Josh]

It is a great idea. However we need to support those people whilst they are learning of course. We have a shortage of people training to be doctors and nurses and such as it is :S I don't think discouraging trained people from coming here is a good thing as it realy does seem we need them...I hope I am proved wrong though

I have worked with some of these trained professionals from the European Union and could not praise them highly enough as well as our own trained professionals, who seem to be in short supply, more's the pity as we need more young people to train in the professions , and then stay here in the UK.

[Vicky.]

I have worked with some of these trained professionals from the European Union and could not praise them highly enough as well as our own trained professionals, who seem to be in short supply, more's the pity as we need more young people to train in the professions , and then stay here in the UK.

Definitely. This is a huge reason why we have a shortage IMO. People train here, then move elsewhere to work. Probably as they are treated badly working here. No wonder we have a shortage of skilled workers really :umm2:

[Crimson Dynamo]

lets not kid ourself that greedy business will employ the lowest common denominator to make profit - they will disguise this with

"british people wont do the jobs"

what they mean is

we can get illegals and immigrants on the cheap and make more money

The british workforce has been undermined by greed

shocking

[arista]

Yes LT
I am sick of UK Youths sitting on there FAT ass
avoiding Hard Work.

Enough is Enough.

[Crimson Dynamo]

We need national service for the young. army life for 3 years, make men of them, no phones or tablets only books and cold showers

teach them how to kill and polish shoes

:flutter:

[arista]

Yes I agree
National Service


That will sort out all the young tibbers


Come on TS
you know it makes sense

[Crimson Dynamo]

Yes I agree
National Service


That will sort out all the young tibbers

Arista you can build hangers in Ireland to house them, ship them over in their thousands. Ireland can get many jobs here, bolster the economy as we train the youth in discipline. A win win scenario and blue print to sell to the commonwealth?

they will arrive back in the UK ready for work, trained in trades we need, no media studies:nono: - plumbers, sparks, mechanics, roofers, carpenters..

:clap1:

[Rogan Josh]

Definitely. This is a huge reason why we have a shortage IMO. People train here, then move elsewhere to work. Probably as they are treated badly working here. No wonder we have a shortage of skilled workers really :umm2:

I trained with people and I worked with people, Vicky and the only reason they went abroad was for more money. None of them were treated badly and neither was I, but I did have some really sh*t managers, who would have made anyone move away, including myself and I did on one occasion. I moved to London for a few years, from Scotland and I loved it, sometimes I wish I had never ever came back here :hee: but I settled , happily :bawling: here lol.

[Crimson Dynamo]

TS can be a camp leader, we have to monitor his subversive views, but he can teach leadership and discipline. Yes we need to keep an eye on him but CCTV will be installed in every dorm in case he smuggles in a Guardian or New Statesman or Little Mix DVD.

[Rogan Josh]

We need national service for the young. army life for 3 years, make men of them, no phones or tablets only books and cold showers

teach them how to kill and polish shoes

:flutter:

Are you sure you're not treating them too gently :shocked:

[VanessaFeltz.]

We need national service for the young. army life for 3 years, make men of them, no phones or tablets only books and cold showers

teach them how to kill and polish shoes

:flutter:

Way to go for diversity!

[Brillopad]

Arista you can build hangers in Ireland to house them, ship them over in their thousands. Ireland can get many jobs here, bolster the economy as we train the youth in discipline. A win win scenario and blue print to sell to the commonwealth?

they will arrive back in the UK ready for work, trained in trades we need, no media studies:nono: - plumbers, sparks, mechanics, roofers, carpenters..

:clap1:

Media studies - one of those airy fairy non-subjects that no-one is sure what people are actually trained to do. :hee:

[Rogan Josh]

Way to go for diversity!

I don't think Ashley Banjo would agree with that :hehe:

[Brillopad]

I don't think Ashley Banjo would agree with that :hehe:

Ooh, I think Ashley is a lovely guy, Intelligent, multi-talented, handsome and great personality - he has it all. :dance:

[arista]

Arista you can build hangers in Ireland to house them, ship them over in their thousands. Ireland can get many jobs here, bolster the economy as we train the youth in discipline. A win win scenario and blue print to sell to the commonwealth?

they will arrive back in the UK ready for work, trained in trades we need, no media studies:nono: - plumbers, sparks, mechanics, roofers, carpenters..

:clap1:


Yes I could do that.

[user104658]

So if skilled workers aren't coming - and it's only supposition to think they aren't - maybe we could train British people how to be skilled workers? Seems like a great idea to me.

It does sound like a good idea. Maybe someone should pass the memo on to the Tories that if they want to discourage immigrant skilled labour and encourage it natively, they should probably stop systematically destroying the basic education system, and make it easier for people to access decent quality higher education.

Of course, they don't want to do either. They don't want to import talent. They don't want to fund the creation of talent natively either. State schooling is a shambles. Brexit is absolutely destroying academic funding with no apparent plan in place to make up the difference. A trundling, clunking race to the bottom :clap1:.

[Jack_]

Media studies - one of those airy fairy non-subjects that no-one is sure what people are actually trained to do. :hee:

lol that's funny, you consider yourself a feminist but deride Media Studies (which can be a surprisingly theoretical based course) when one of the most famous feminist scholars has work situated in the field

[Scarlett.]

Perhaps cause they don't want to be on ship that is heading directly for an iceberg?

[arista]

Perhaps cause they don't want to be on ship that is heading directly for an iceberg?

That was used on a Cartoon by Brighty,
with Corbyn hanging onto a Iceberg
and his big Labour ship
sinking behind him...........

[Brillopad]

lol that's funny, you consider yourself a feminist but deride Media Studies (which can be a surprisingly theoretical based course) when one of dthe most famous feminist scholars has work situated in the field

It isn't a prerequisite that believing in equal rights for women requires 'studying' feminism and every feminist scholar. All it takes is a bit of common sense and understanding of double standards and right and wrong.

[Brillopad]

An unpopular opinion with many, but the UK is more forward thinking than the Australian Government, the day we start copying them is the day where some of our freedoms will be gone as they ban anything even remotely controversial.

As Australia has one of the most successful economies in the world and is one of the most desirable places to live and work for educated and skilled people, which in turn helps build and preserve that economy, it is clearly doing something right.

Australia puts Australia first which in turn provides a better standard of living, quality of life and better future for all its citizens. Britain can learn a lot from Australia.

We need unskilled workers too but should be doing more to fill those jobs by providing better training and encouragement with better pay and working conditions for British people and reducing our benefit bill. Liberally handing out benefits to all, including those coming into the country, is too big a drain on the country and economy and dragging it down.

If Britain comes first so too will its citizens.

[Livia]

It does sound like a good idea. Maybe someone should pass the memo on to the Tories that if they want to discourage immigrant skilled labour and encourage it natively, they should probably stop systematically destroying the basic education system, and make it easier for people to access decent quality higher education.

Of course, they don't want to do either. They don't want to import talent. They don't want to fund the creation of talent natively either. State schooling is a shambles. Brexit is absolutely destroying academic funding with no apparent plan in place to make up the difference. A trundling, clunking race to the bottom :clap1:.

Yes, I'm sure you believe that is the ethos in the heart of every Tory.

[user104658]

Yes, I'm sure you believe that is the ethos in the heart of every Tory.
I don't think they "don't want people to have an education" but I also don't think they want to fund world class education for every child. They demonstrably don't. That's one thing that can't be back-blamed on the previous Labour government (although, I'm sure, someone will certainly try); state primary education has absolutely crumbled order the ConDems/Tories, secondary isn't much better, Universities are struggling already and with the loss of EU funding and also a drop in students from abroad (who pay high fees) they are going to be decimated unless the government commits to finding ways to replace that lost funding before full Brexit hits. Thus far they have shown very little concern.

[Livia]

I don't think they "don't want people to have an education" but I also don't think they want to fund world class education for every child. They demonstrably don't. That's one thing that can't be back-blamed on the previous Labour government (although, I'm sure, someone will certainly try); state primary education has absolutely crumbled order the ConDems/Tories, secondary isn't much better, Universities are struggling already and with the loss of EU funding and also a drop in students from abroad (who pay high fees) they are going to be decimated unless the government commits to finding ways to replace that lost funding before full Brexit hits. Thus far they have shown very little concern.

Students from the EU don't currently pay higher fees.

Don't agree with you totally... although I do agree that education, and indeed NHS funding should be ring-fenced and increased year on year.

[user104658]

Students from the EU don't currently pay higher fees.

Don't agree with you totally... although I do agree that education, and indeed NHS funding should be ring-fenced and increased year on year.
No, but students from Asia and Africa can be paying tens of thousands per year and I don't know about you... But I don't think I would pay that sort of money to study in a country where I didn't feel welcome. Not when there are other options available. Obviously many will still come but it seems unlikely that there won't be a significant decrease in interest.

The main issue though, is the research / PhD funding provided by Europe, and private entities within the EU. The government has this far offered up no plans at all for how that funding is going to be replaced, and R&D funding is absolutely essential for world class Universities.

I still have quite a few friends studying towards PhDs and the consensus has very much been... Get your PhD finished, as quickly as humanly possible, because in a few years time funding may simply not be there.

[Kizzy]

It does sound like a good idea. Maybe someone should pass the memo on to the Tories that if they want to discourage immigrant skilled labour and encourage it natively, they should probably stop systematically destroying the basic education system, and make it easier for people to access decent quality higher education.

Of course, they don't want to do either. They don't want to import talent. They don't want to fund the creation of talent natively either. State schooling is a shambles. Brexit is absolutely destroying academic funding with no apparent plan in place to make up the difference. A trundling, clunking race to the bottom :clap1:.

Spot on!

[Livia]

No, but students from Asia and Africa can be paying tens of thousands per year and I don't know about you... But I don't think I would pay that sort of money to study in a country where I didn't feel welcome. Not when there are other options available. Obviously many will still come but it seems unlikely that there won't be a significant decrease in interest.

The main issue though, is the research / PhD funding provided by Europe, and private entities within the EU. The government has this far offered up no plans at all for how that funding is going to be replaced, and R&D funding is absolutely essential for world class Universities.

I still have quite a few friends studying towards PhDs and the consensus has very much been... Get your PhD finished, as quickly as humanly possible, because in a few years time funding may simply not be there.

I don't agree that highly qualified people feel they are not welcome. You may think they feel like that because of your stance on this subject. However, I don't think they do. I seems to me that only anti-Brexit people have this doom-laden view of our country that the rest of the world doesn't seem to share. As people have said, Australia is difficult to get in to, but people still want to go there.

[Kizzy]

I don't agree that highly qualified people feel they are not welcome. You may think they feel like that because of your stance on this subject. However, I don't think they do. I seems to me that only anti-Brexit people have this doom-laden view of our country that the rest of the world doesn't seem to share. As people have said, Australia is difficult to get in to, but people still want to go there.

If this country is so brilliant, can you enlighten me as to why the govt is carving us from our closest allies and selling bits of it off to the highest bidder across the globe?

Anyone who cries sovereignty while advocating the practices currently being used to fund this country is at best ignorant.

[Livia]

If this country is so brilliant, can you enlighten me as to why the govt is carving us from our closest allies and selling bits of it off to the highest bidder across the globe?

Anyone who cries sovereignty while advocating the practices currently being used to fund this country is at best ignorant.

Are you calling me ignorant? Just for the sake of clarity.

[Crimson Dynamo]

If this country is so brilliant, can you enlighten me as to why the govt is carving us from our closest allies and selling bits of it off to the highest bidder across the globe?

Anyone who cries sovereignty while advocating the practices currently being used to fund this country is at best ignorant.

who exactly is our closest ally and how do you work out that?

[Northern Monkey]

who exactly is our closest ally and how do you work out that?

The US is our closest ally and we are doing quite well with them.

[Beso]

Bad for cheap labour businesses.

Oh well.:joker: