Theresa May poised to announce end of free movement for new EU migrants next month

[Denver]

Theresa May is next month poised to announce the end of free movement for new EU migrants on the same day that she formally triggers Brexit negotiations.

The Prime Minister is expected to say that EU citizens who travel to Britain after she triggers Article 50 will no longer have the automatic right to stay in the UK permanently.

They will instead be subject to migration curbs after Britain leaves the European Union, which could include a new visa regime and restricted access to benefits.

Mrs May is expected to say that EU migrants who arrived in the UK before the "cut-off date" will have their rights protected as long British citizens living elsewhere in Europe are granted the same assurance.

Iain Duncan Smith, a leading Eurosceptic conservative MP, said that that announcement will show that Mrs May is taking control of Britain's borders while giving clarity to the 3.6million EU migrants already living in the UK.

He said: "Theresa understands that if you want to take control you have to command the high ground. She will be giving clarity by setting a clear deadline while the European Union looks increasingly muddled and mean-spirited".

The announcement means that the "cut-off date" for EU migrants is likely to be around March 15, once the Government's Article 50 bill has gone through Parliament.

The Prime Minister is expected to appeal to other European Union nations to reach a quick deal on the issue so it can be removed from Brexit negotiations as soon as possible.

It is likely to put her in conflict with the European Union, which has been pushing for Mrs May to delay the cut-off date until 2019. However ministers have raised concerns that waiting until the end of negotiations will lead to a huge surge in the number of EU migrants coming to the UK before Brexit.


"We have had some suggestion that that the European Commission might attempt to force us to protect everyone who arrives up to the moment of departure," a Government source said. "We could end up with half of Romania and Bulgaria coming here if we wait that long."

The Government has also considered suggestions that the cut-off date should be set for the referendum date in June last year. However Government lawyers have advised that such an approach would be illegal.

Amber Rudd, the Home Secretary, said that after Britain leaves the European Union "we will be ending free movement as we know it".

She is examining plans to give new arrivals who get jobs in key sectors of the economy multi-year visas while limiting access to benefits.

Under one plan being considered migrants would be given five-year working visas but barred from claiming in-work benefits while they are in Britain.

www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2017/02/26/theresa-may-poised-announce-end-free-movement-new-eu-migrants/

[Jack_]

Fantastic
ally awful

[Denver]

It is the right decision why should they come and use the benefits that is not entitled for them

[Jack_]

Can't wait to pay for a visa to go to ****in Spain fam

[Black Dagger]

Sigh.

[Denver]

Can't wait to pay for a visa to go to ****in Spain fam

Is that all you care about? they are not that expensive

[Owen Shroyer]

What a great era we have entered, keep up the good work Theresa.

[Marsh.]

It is the right decision why should they come and use the benefits that is not entitled for them

There are ways of regulating things like that they simply won't do. Hence the people in this country who feed on it but shouldn't.

Free movement within the EU went further than that.

[Denver]

There are ways of regulating things like that they simply won't do. Hence the people in this country who feed on it but shouldn't.

Free movement within the EU went further than that.

We dont need cleaner or road sweepers only skilled workers should be allowed in

[arista]

Yes Pro Skilled Workers
can pop in for each contract.

It will be better for us
Jack.

[reece(:]

Can't wait to pay for a visa to go to ****in Spain fam
This will be tragic, we already have to pay extra hotel costs

[Marsh.]

We dont need cleaner or road sweepers only skilled workers should be allowed in

I love tunnel vision.

[reece(:]

We dont need cleaner or road sweepers only skilled workers should be allowed in
You didn't get the job?

[Withano]

Imagine that even May thinks this is a terrible idea though, but all the people who thoughht it was a good idea were basically inept for the job for being thick *****.

[Denver]

You didn't get the job?

I dont need the job but you tell me why other people should live in this country that do nothing for the country? Many refuse to speak English

[Marsh.]

I dont need the job but you tell me why other people should live in this country that do nothing for the country? Many refuse to speak English

You just said we don't need cleaners or road sweepers.

So, you're condemning them if they do contribute via jobs such as that and the like but also condemning those doing nothing.

What are YOU doing for the country?

[Crimson Dynamo]

yeah boo hiss

racists

this is what you get for brexit and trump

what ever it is

booo


I told you so, we should have stayed in europe and not moved to america

hiss boo jeer

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[Denver]

You just said we don't need cleaners or road sweepers.

So, you're condemning them if they do contribute via jobs such as that and the like but also condemning those doing nothing.

What are YOU doing for the country?

Many British people will do those jobs yet foreigners get it for working for less money.

I am a British citizen who works and I am entitled to take out what I put in.

We are the only country who has a benefits system like this and if we want it to last we need to sort it out by stop non British citizens coming over to claim and then move on to the British who are to lazy to work.

[Denver]

Also I cant believe that the only reason most people on here wants to stay in the EU is so they don't pay visa charges

[Marsh.]

Many British people will do those jobs yet foreigners get it for working for less money.

I am a British citizen who works and I am entitled to take out what I put in.

We are the only country who has a benefits system like this and if we want it to last we need to sort it out by stop non British citizens coming over to claim and then move on to the British who are to lazy to work.

Your arguments are all confusing and merging into one.

If a foreigner comes over here to work, they too are paying into the system and are entitled to any benefits that come with it, including NHS services etc etc.

People coming over here and not working/contributing is something else.

You seem to be saying "No foreigners" no matter what. Work or no work, benefits or no benefits. If I were a lesser person I'd think you were racist.

[Marsh.]

Also I cant believe that the only reason most people on here wants to stay in the EU is so they don't pay visa charges

Not the only reason, merely one of the effects pointed out.

Otherwise we'd think the only reason you want to leave is because you don't like foreign street sweepers.

[Denver]

Your arguments are all confusing and merging into one.

If a foreigner comes over here to work, they too are paying into the system and are entitled to any benefits that come with it, including NHS services etc etc.

People coming over here and not working/contributing is something else.
They are coming over for jobs that British people can and should be made to do.

Things like cleaners, Car washers, factory workers etc.

British people can and should he made to do these jobs

[Denver]

We need to sort out the poverty in this country before caring about people in other countries

[Marsh.]

They are coming over for jobs that British people can and should be made to do.

Things like cleaners, Car washers, factory workers etc.

British people can and should he made to do these jobs

If only life was as simple as you seem to think it is.

[Denver]

If only life was as simple as you seem to think it is.

It's can be simple.

Anybody who wont learn English should be told to leave.

Anyone who wont work including brits should not be allowed to claim benefits

Brits should be made to do dirty jobs

We need to take money out of other countries and plow it back into Britain as there are so many families in poverty

[Denver]

Also as spoon as France vote out the EU will be gone as Germany wont pay the money of the 2 biggest contributers

[Marsh.]

Anybody who wont learn English should be told to leave.

Anyone who wont work including brits should not be allowed to claim benefits

How many foreigners have you met that refuse to learn English?

How many foreigners and Brits do you know who refuse to work but claim benefits?

Brits should be made to do dirty jobs

Ok?

We need to take money out of other countries and plow it back into Britain as there are so many families in poverty

Take but no give. :joker::joker::joker:

[Denver]

How many foreigners have you met that refuse to learn English?

How many foreigners and Brits do you know who refuse to work but claim benefits?



Ok?



Take but no give. :joker::joker::joker:

It's is a proven statistic that majority Bangladeshi women can't speak English.

I can't tell exactly who is bumming off the state when I see them

[Marsh.]

It's is a proven statistic that majority Bangladeshi women can't speak English.

There's a difference between "can't speak English" and "refuse to learn English"?


I can't tell exactly who is bumming off the state when I see them

So where's the outrage coming from if you haven't seen it?

[Toy Soldier]

How many foreigners and Brits do you know who refuse to work but claim benefits?


Funnily enough, I know load of people who clearly have no intention of ever working and basically all of them are "native Brits" over the age of 40. :think:. Strange really, I mean we already know as a fact from the press that it's immigrants and young people who are the problem :shrug:.

[Marsh.]

Funnily enough, I know load of people who clearly have no intention of ever working and basically all of them are "native Brits" over the age of 40. :think:. Strange really, I mean we already know as a fact from the press that it's immigrants and young people who are the problem :shrug:.

:clap2:

[Denver]

There's a difference between "can't speak English" and "refuse to learn English"?



So where's the outrage coming from if you haven't seen it?

That can't speak English cause they won't learn to.

I am outraged because British people come last in Britain

[Marsh.]

There's a 35 year old man I know who has a bare minimum contract (18 hours over 3 days or something) who lives at home and the only reason he works that is to get his parents off his case. :umm2: THIRTY FIVE YEARS OLD!

[Marsh.]

That can't speak English cause they won't learn to.

You know they won't learn how?


I am outraged because British people come last in Britain

How do you work that out?

[Denver]

You know they won't learn how?



How do you work that out?

Because the statistics was about refusing to learn.

Let me tell you a few years back how a Somalian man brought his family over to London and got a mansion the next day all paid for by the government.

Many British families in poverty live in houses with mould and have to pay for it to be fixed

[Greg!]

I hope crusty old immigrant-hating brexit voters who have been planning to move to Spain for their retirement get their dreams crushed because of this

[Denver]

I hope crusty old immigrant-hating brexit voters who have been planning to move to Spain for their retirement get their dreams crushed because of this

Many young people out and the reason why will be told in a few years when France destoy the EU

[Toy Soldier]

Let me tell you a few years back how a Somalian man brought his family over to London and got a mansion the next day all paid for by the government.

:facepalm:

[Greg!]

Many young people out and the reason why will be told in a few years when France destiny's the EU

what

[Marsh.]

Because the statistics was about refusing to learn.

But you said....

It's is a proven statistic that majority Bangladeshi women can't speak English.

Different wording AND different meaning?

Let me tell you a few years back how a Somalian man brought his family over to London and got a mansion the next day all paid for by the government.

I heard there's a whole street of these mansions now. :fist:

[Jordan.]

The Prime Minister is expected to say that EU citizens who travel to Britain after she triggers Article 50 will no longer have the automatic right to stay in the UK permanently.

They will instead be subject to migration curbs after Britain leaves the European Union, which could include a new visa regime and restricted access to benefits.

This seems perfectly reasonable :clap1:

[Marsh.]

This seems perfectly reasonable :clap1:

Not the Prime Minister having a reasonable middle ground. :clap2:

[Denver]

what

Destroy*

France want out
Hungary want out
Bulgaria want out
Italy want out

Plus most countries will leave if Turkey are allowed to join

[Kizzy]

It's can be simple.

Anybody who wont learn English should be told to leave.

Anyone who wont work including brits should not be allowed to claim benefits

Brits should be made to do dirty jobs

We need to take money out of other countries and plow it back into Britain as there are so many families in poverty

Mining was a pretty dirty job, remember what happened to them?..

Your argument is flawed.

[Denver]

Mining was a pretty dirty job, remember what happened to them?..

Your argument is flawed.

Mining was always gonna die but cleaners and farmers will always be needed

[Marsh.]

Mining was always gonna die but cleaners and farmers will always be needed

Are you comparing general cleaners to miners? Lmfao.

Farming is a skilled job imo. You can't just throw a spotty 18 year old on the dole onto any farm.

[Denver]

Are you comparing general cleaners to miners? Lmfao.

Farming is a skilled job imo. You can't just throw a spotty 18 year old on the dole onto any farm.

Farming is an easy job to pick up especially the picking part

[Marsh.]

Farming is an easy job

Lol.

[Marsh.]

FYI picking strawberries from the bush in your nan's garden is not farming. :fan:

[Denver]

Lol.

Any job is easy if you want it as much.

The immigrants who do it have no previous experience so explain that one

[Denver]

FYI picking strawberries from the bush in your nan's garden is not farming. :fan:

I have done flower picking and I never had a problem and I can't see vegetable picking being hard yiu just need 3 things

Willpower
Happy to work long hour
Happy to work in all weather

[Marsh.]

Any job is easy if you want it as much.

That's the most idiotic thing written in this thread so far.

You can't do any job simply by wanting it. :umm2:

[Denver]

That's the most idiotic thing written in this thread so far.

You can't do any job simply by wanting it. :umm2:

Any job is doable if you want to.

People don't spend 10 years training to be a brain surgeon for fun they do it because they really want to do it

[Kizzy]

Mining was always gonna die but cleaners and farmers will always be needed

You misunderstand... Your premise was that Brits don't want to do dirty jobs, my example was mining which was a very dirty job, one that many generations did before outsourcing.

It wasn't always going to die, Britain sits on top of miles of coal rich seams, and industry still rely heavily on it.

As marsh said do you think any unskilled unemployed Brit can become a farmer?

[Marsh.]

Any job is doable if you want to.

People don't spend 10 years training to be a brain surgeon for fun they do it because they really want to do it

Yeah, the key in that sentence is "training".

A lot of jobs cost a fortune to train in or require people already with certain qualities and qualifications.

Your outlook on life is extremely simplistic.

[Marsh.]

I have done flower picking and I never had a problem and I can't see vegetable picking being hard yiu just need 3 things

Willpower
Happy to work long hour
Happy to work in all weather

All this tells me is you don't know very much about farming other than gardening.

[Glenn.]

She is queen

[Denver]

You misunderstand... Your premise was that Brits don't want to do dirty jobs, my example was mining which was a very dirty job, one that many generations did before outsourcing.

It wasn't always going to die, Britain sits on top of miles of coal rich seams, and industry still rely heavily on it.

As marsh said do you think any unskilled unemployed Brit can become a farmer?

Yeah, the key in that sentence is "training".

A lot of jobs cost a fortune to train in or require people already with certain qualities and qualifications.

Your outlook on life is extremely simplistic.

The reason for this is the new generation

Back then miners had to do the job to earn because there was no benefit system.

Parents who had farms would make there son become a farmer they had no choice.

Now a day we have all sorts of technology and free money that the younger generation is more likely to be lazy hence why the drop in people studying for skilled jobs.

Some youngsters though will stop at nothing to achieve dreams.

That is why we need to let them know being lazy is no option and they will have to work or will get no money

[Denver]

All this tells me is you don't know very much about farming other than gardening.

Farming is so much easier these days then 50byears ago I will tell you that

[Marsh.]

The reason for this is the new generation

Back then miners had to do the job to earn because there was no benefit system.

Parents who had farms would make there son become a farmer they had no choice.

Now a day we have all sorts of technology and free money that the younger generation is more likely to be lazy hence why the drop in people studying for skilled jobs.

Some youngsters though will stop at nothing to achieve dreams.

That is why we need to let them know being lazy is no option and they will have to work or will get no money

Quick question, are there enough jobs for everyone to do?

[Marsh.]

Farming is so much easier these days then 50byears ago I will tell you that

So is being a doctor but you still couldn't walk into that job either.

[Marsh.]

Parents who had farms would make there son become a farmer they had no choice.


That's neither here nor there. That makes it a family business. So you have one young lad of benefits, what about the rest?

[Tom4784]

It is the right decision why should they come and use the benefits that is not entitled for them

Immigrants can only claim benefits for an incredibly short amount of time and if they don't find a job by the end of that period then their job search visa will be voided. The money a typical person gets from benefits is barely enough to live on, nobody's gonna set up shop here just to sponge off benefits that are only just enough to live on especially when they'll be given the boot in a few weeks time if they don't show results.

Honestly, people need to stop using benefits as an excuse to validate their xenophobia. If you took a second to google what immigrants are entitled to you'd see that it's basically **** all which makes the idea of immigrating just to live off benefits pointless.

[Denver]

Immigrants can only claim benefits for an incredibly short amount of time and if they don't find a job by the end of that period then their job search visa will be voided. The money a typical person gets from benefits is barely enough to live on, nobody's gonna set up shop here just to sponge off benefits that are only just enough to live on especially when they'll be given the boot in a few weeks time if they don't show results.

Honestly, people need to stop using benefits as an excuse to validate their xenophobia. If you took a second to google what immigrants are entitled to you'd see that it's basically **** all which makes the idea of immigrating just to live off benefits pointless.

EU citizens are entitled to more benefits then those out of the EU.

As i said we need to fix the people in this country instead of putting them last

[Marsh.]

EU citizens are entitled to more benefits then those out of the EU.

As i said we need to fix the people in this country instead of putting them last

You've just called the majority of British benefit claimants lazy and work shy.

Now they're the neglected ones?

You can't have it both ways.

[Denver]

You've just called the majority of British benefit claimants lazy and work shy.

Now they're the neglected ones?

You can't have it both ways.

I have explained before on this thread that the country is already over popularised and because of that so many families are living in poverty.

Poverty should not exist in Britain in 2017

[Marsh.]

I have explained before on this thread that the country is already over popularised and because of that so many families are living in poverty.

Poverty should not exist in Britain in 2017

These are just generic statements though, would you like to be more specific?

Are they poor due to a lack of job opportunities? That would affect the benefit claimants too.

[Tom4784]

EU citizens are entitled to more benefits then those out of the EU.

As i said we need to fix the people in this country instead of putting them last

Wrong. EU Immigrants are only entitled to similar benefits as British citizens if they are working and contributing otherwise they get the same window of opportunity to claim jobseekers as any other immigrant and they too need to show results in that period or have their visa revoked plus before they can claim anything they need to pass a test first.

To think that immigrants come to this country just to scrape by on benefits for three months (which they aren't even guaranteed to get in the first place) before getting the boot is just plain silly.

[Kizzy]

The reason for this is the new generation

Back then miners had to do the job to earn because there was no benefit system.

Parents who had farms would make there son become a farmer they had no choice.

Now a day we have all sorts of technology and free money that the younger generation is more likely to be lazy hence why the drop in people studying for skilled jobs.

Some youngsters though will stop at nothing to achieve dreams.

That is why we need to let them know being lazy is no option and they will have to work or will get no money

I'm not going back that far, there was a benefit system.
Being raised on a farm is different to working on a farm, how has this thread turned from bashing foreigners to the unemployed to young people, are we playing daily mail bingo? as I think I have a full house.

[Denver]

These are just generic statements though, would you like to be more specific?

Are they poor due to a lack of job opportunities? That would affect the benefit claimants too.

It is due to many things but mainly that the governments over the last 10-15 years did not care for everyday brits

[Marsh.]

It is due to many things

Such as...?

[Denver]

Such as...?

Google it as i have other things going on in my mind to give in to your childish attacks

[Ronald.]

Agree with Marsh and Dezzy on this one. R.

[Marsh.]

Google it as i have other things going on in my mind to give in to your childish attacks

:unsure:

If you don't wish to elaborate on your statements and contribute to the discussion what are you doing here? :think:

Questioning and discussing = childish attacks. Sure dude. :thumbs:

[Denver]

:unsure:

If you don't wish to elaborate on your statements and contribute to the discussion what are you doing here? :think:

Questioning and discussing = childish attacks. Sure dude. :thumbs:

I have personal **** to deal with now and i am not you ****ing news guide so if you want to know look it up if not then go away

[Denver]

And green cards work perfectly fine in Aus so they will work over here

[Marsh.]

I have personal **** to deal with now and i am not you ****ing news guide so if you want to know look it up if not then go away

So take a break from the forum and come back another time? The thread aint going anywhere.

Don't dare speak to me like I'm something you've just scraped off your shoe. Have some sodding respect and you might get it in return.

However, if you don't wish to be questioned or explain your points then don't join a discussion. Just a suggestion.

[Ronald.]

Yes. Perhaps a break would be a good idea Adam. I have seen nothing personal in Marsh's replies. R.

[Scarlett.]

We dont need cleaner or road sweepers only skilled workers should be allowed in

So, what about their families? What if said skilled worker has a husband/wife who is unskilled, what if they have two teenage kids who are also unskilled? :shrug: Immigrants are unfairly painted in a bad light, 99% of the ones I know are good hard working people, who, even if they are unskilled, contribute more to this country than some British people.

[Toy Soldier]

I have personal **** to deal with now and i am not you ****ing news guide so if you want to know look it up if not then go away

:joker: "I would fight u but my mum sez I have to be home for tea at 6 so I have to go home but I will come back later and fight u I just can't now OK cos I have to go for tea."

[Rogan Josh]

So, what about their families? What if said skilled worker has a husband/wife who is unskilled, what if they have two teenage kids who are also unskilled? :shrug: Immigrants are unfairly painted in a bad light, 99% of the ones I know are good hard working people, who, even if they are unskilled, contribute more to this country than some British people.

I agree with all you have said, but have you watched some of the benefit programs on Channel5? where you have whole Eastern European families not wanting to work, but only claim benefits? They can claim benefits in any other EU country, but why the UK? and why are the government allowing this when our own citizens are getting sanctioned for the least possible reason?

[Denver]

:joker: "I would fight u but my mum sez I have to be home for tea at 6 so I have to go home but I will come back later and fight u I just can't now OK cos I have to go for tea."

My grandad died today so you can troll the **** all you want like you normally do with people who have different opinion to you

[Rogan Josh]

My grandad died today so you can troll the **** all you want like you normally do with people who have different opinion to you

Take it easy and please look after yourself, its' a difficult time :)

[Toy Soldier]

My grandad died today so you can troll the **** all you want like you normally do with people who have different opinion to you
Genuinely sorry for your loss. It maybe would be a good idea to take some time out to process... I don't mean that it a bad way. I find that this place can add needless stress.

[Tom4784]

I agree with all you have said, but have you watched some of the benefit programs on Channel5? where you have whole Eastern European families not wanting to work, but only claim benefits? They can claim benefits in any other EU country, but why the UK? and why are the government allowing this when our own citizens are getting sanctioned for the least possible reason?

Except that if a family like that existed, they'd be booted out after three months if they couldn't find work....

Channel 5's 'documentaries' are sensationalist and shouldn't be used as evidence of anything ever. Their benefits programming is made just to bait people into getting mad by presenting to them the version of reality they want to see.

[Brillopad]

Except that if a family like that existed, they'd be booted out after three months if they couldn't find work....

Channel 5's 'documentaries' are sensationalist and shouldn't be used as evidence of anything ever. Their benefits programming is made just to bait people into getting mad by presenting to them the version of reality they want to see.

Oh like there's no such thing as trashy immigrants. Just like we have our own trashy types, they exist in all nationalities.

[Tom4784]

Oh like there's no such thing as trashy immigrants. Just like we have our own trashy types, they exist in all nationalities.

Sure, there's trashy immigrants (I can't remember saying there wasn't but oh well, any excuse for you to have a jab at someone I guess) but the law on immigrants claiming benefits is clear. The ones you see on C5 are likely playing up to the cameras for a pay day as with most of the 'subjects' of their 'documentaries'.

[Brillopad]

Your arguments are all confusing and merging into one.

If a foreigner comes over here to work, they too are paying into the system and are entitled to any benefits that come with it, including NHS services etc etc.

People coming over here and not working/contributing is something else.

You seem to be saying "No foreigners" no matter what. Work or no work, benefits or no benefits. If I were a lesser person I'd think you were racist.

Oooh the R word, as soon as you start to throw that around you lose any credibility.

People should pay in for a number of years, like the rest of us, before they take out. You don't pay in one month, then take out the next.

[Marsh.]

I agree with all you have said, but have you watched some of the benefit programs on Channel5? where you have whole Eastern European families not wanting to work, but only claim benefits? They can claim benefits in any other EU country, but why the UK? and why are the government allowing this when our own citizens are getting sanctioned for the least possible reason?

PLEASE don't shape your view of the world via a channel 5 documentary.

[Marsh.]

Oooh the R word, as soon as you start to throw that around you lose any credibility.

People should pay in for a number of years, like the rest of us, before they take out. You don't pay in one month, then take out the next.

Oh right so does that apply for Brits then who have only just left school, got their first job and literally made one payment of tax? Do they have to wait an "x" amount of weeks/months/years to use services? Or those people who don't earn above the threshold to pay any tax at all, what about those people?

I'll use whatever words I want to where I see fit.

[Brillopad]

Oh right so does that apply for Brits then who have only just left school, got their first job and literally made one payment of tax? Do they have to wait an "x" amount of weeks/months/years to use services?

I'll use whatever words I want to where I see fit.

Not the same as their parents likely paid in for years.

There is a reason the government want to restrict access to benefits for immigrants as easy access attracts the wrong types of people and money doesn't grow on trees.

[Marsh.]

Not the same as their parents likely paid in for years.

There is a reason the government want to restrict access to benefits for immigrants as easy access attracts the wrong types of people and money doesn't grow on trees.

It is restricted.

What if their parents were one of these naughty benefit cheats, would the child be entitled then?

There's countless holes in daft rules like what you're suggesting.

[Brillopad]

It is restricted.

What if their parents were one of these naughty benefit cheats, would the child be entitled then?

There's countless holes in daft rules like what you're suggesting.

That works both ways. If we just give handouts to everyone regardless there will be consequences for the rest of us as there is not a never ending supply of money, homes and services.

[Marsh.]

If we just give handouts to everyone regardless

Evidence?

The man in the mansion doesn't count.

[Jordan.]

Why are people even wasting time arguing over this, it's happening whether you like it or not :fan:

[Toy Soldier]

Why are people even wasting time arguing over this, it's happening whether you like it or not :fan:
He's right goshdarnit, why has no one ever realised this before? Mods, close SD. It's over.

[Brillopad]

Evidence?

The man in the mansion doesn't count.

Evidence of the obvious! :joker:

[Marsh.]

Evidence of the obvious! :joker:

Yeah, the obvious. Course it is. :pat:

Grrrr!!! Those Jeremy Kyle contestants!!!!

[Toy Soldier]

To be fair it's not just the Jezza contestants. I've also seen them on documentaries on Channel 5. There was this one where a guy walked into a job centre and was like "lol can I have benefits I want some" and they were like "Yeh here you go and an Audi" and they gave him an audi.

And if sources like Channel 5, ITV2 and The Sun are reporting on it, I'm not going to argue.

[Brillopad]

Yeah, the obvious. Course it is. :pat:

Grrrr!!! Those Jeremy Kyle contestants!!!!

It's even more of the JK types we don't want dipping into the money the rest of us have worked hard for and paid into the pot, not for scrounges who take, take take.

Grrrr!!!!!

[Jack_]

Oh this thread is ****ing absurd, put down your copies of the Daily Express and do some research

For starters, a UCL report (http://www.cream-migration.org/publ_uploads/CDP_22_13.pdf) found that the positive net contribution of EU migrants since 2000 totalled £20bn, compared with a negative figure for native born Brits of £617bn. Moreover, they were 43% less likely than natives to claim benefits and tax credits, and 7% less likely to be living in social housing (https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2014/nov/05/eu-migrants-uk-gains-20bn-ucl-study). Not only that, but they are on average better educated than natives (https://www.ucl.ac.uk/news/news-articles/1114/051114-economic-impact-EU-immigration)...with...get this, 25% of those pesky recent Eastern European migrants being university graduates compared with only 24% of Brits.

On a separate but related note, unemployment benefits total just 1% of the welfare spending bill (http://visual.ons.gov.uk/welfare-spending/), and even if you collate the figures for housing and family support, they still do not exceed the amount we spend on pensions. Why do people always forget this?

Migrants undercutting wages of British workers is the fault of their employers who are illegally underpaying them. The poverty we have in this country is the fault of successive governments failing to build adequate levels of social housing, and the continuing obsession with 'clamping down' on benefit fraud despite the fact that uncollected tax is 30x more of a loss. But no we won't give a **** about any of that because it's not a tangible scenario that we can envisage like Blanka and her family of seventeen kids not working and not speaking English is :rolleyes:

[Kizzy]

Oh this thread is ****ing absurd, put down your copies of the Daily Express and do some research

For starters, a UCL report (http://www.cream-migration.org/publ_uploads/CDP_22_13.pdf) found that the positive net contribution of EU migrants since 2000 totalled £20bn, compared with a negative figure for native born Brits of £617bn. Moreover, they were 43% less likely than natives to claim benefits and tax credits, and 7% less likely to be living in social housing (https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2014/nov/05/eu-migrants-uk-gains-20bn-ucl-study). Not only that, but they are on average better educated than natives (https://www.ucl.ac.uk/news/news-articles/1114/051114-economic-impact-EU-immigration)...with...get this, 25% of those pesky recent Eastern European migrants being university graduates compared with only 24% of Brits.

On a separate but related note, unemployment benefits total just 1% of the welfare spending bill (http://visual.ons.gov.uk/welfare-spending/), and even if you collate the figures for housing and family support, they still do not exceed the amount we spend on pensions. Why do people always forget this?

Migrants undercutting wages of British workers is the fault of their employers who are illegally underpaying them. The poverty we have in this country is the fault of successive governments failing to build adequate levels of social housing, and the continuing obsession with 'clamping down' on benefit fraud despite the fact that uncollected tax is 30x more of a loss. But no we won't give a **** about any of that because it's not a tangible scenario that we can envisage like Blanka and her family of seventeen kids not working and not speaking English is :rolleyes:

:clap1: :clap1: :clap1: The media always has and always will create folk devils to keep the public from giving any attention to the wrongdoings of the establishment.

[Denver]

Another rule should be any foreign people in British prisons should be deported with lifelong bans from entering the UK

[Brillopad]

:clap1: :clap1: :clap1: The media always has and always will create folk devils to keep the public from giving any attention to the wrongdoings of the establishment.

Personally can't be doing with all that anti-establishment bull. That's for impressionable rebellious student types trying to 'find themselves'.

[Marsh.]

It's even more of the JK types we don't want dipping into the money the rest of us have worked hard for and paid into the pot, not for scrounges who take, take take.

Grrrr!!!!!

And they always have darker skin and funny accents. :fist:

[Marsh.]

To be fair it's not just the Jezza contestants. I've also seen them on documentaries on Channel 5. There was this one where a guy walked into a job centre and was like "lol can I have benefits I want some" and they were like "Yeh here you go and an Audi" and they gave him an audi.

And if sources like Channel 5, ITV2 and The Sun are reporting on it, I'm not going to argue.

:joker:

[Marsh.]

Personally can't be doing with all that anti-establishment bull. That's for impressionable rebellious student types trying to 'find themselves'.

I'd say getting all of your knowledge of the benefits system from tabloid sensationalism is a lot more impressionable than any student.

[Marsh.]

Another rule should be any foreign people in British prisons should be deported with lifelong bans from entering the UK

Define "foreign" people. Is it just the people with no family connections to the country? Just the ones with funny accents? Ones who have British citizenship but weren't born here? Or...?

[Brillopad]

And they always have darker skin and funny accents. :fist:

It takes all sorts.

[Denver]

Define "foreign" people. Is it just the people with no family connections to the country? Just the ones with funny accents? Ones who have British citizenship but weren't born here? Or...?

The ones who have not been given citizenship although if it is serious like rape or murder then they should have the citizenship revoked

[RichardG]

To be fair it's not just the Jezza contestants. I've also seen them on documentaries on Channel 5. There was this one where a guy walked into a job centre and was like "lol can I have benefits I want some" and they were like "Yeh here you go and an Audi" and they gave him an audi.

And if sources like Channel 5, ITV2 and The Sun are reporting on it, I'm not going to argue.

omg :joker: i need to see this

[Marsh.]

The ones who have not been given citizenship although if it is serious like rape or murder then they should have the citizenship revoked

What are the figures for our prisons? I don't have a clue about stuff like how many immigrants we have in our prisons. Is there a lot?

[Denver]

What are the figures for our prisons? I don't have a clue about stuff like how many immigrants we have in our prisons. Is there a lot?

I dont know tbh but i guess there is a fair few.

I know a few were deported last year for raping children but most of the gang are still in prison here

[Rogan Josh]

omg :joker: i need to see this

I've watched them all but I never saw that one???:confused:

[Marsh.]

I dont know tbh but i guess there is a fair few.

I know a few were deported last year for raping children but most of the gang are still in prison here

I was in the queue on that day. I wanted an Audi but all of the local Poles had took them first.

I had to settle for a Ford Focus. :(

[Rogan Josh]

I dont know tbh but i guess there is a fair few.

I know a few were deported last year for raping children but most of the gang are still in prison here

You have to ask yourself, why??? They are costing us even more to keep in prison here :fist:

[Marsh.]

I dont know tbh but i guess there is a fair few.

So then you've thought up a rule/solution to a problem we don't even know if we have?

[Denver]

So then you've thought up a rule/solution to a problem we don't even know if we have?

More than 13,000 foreign criminals are awaiting deportation from the UK, including thousands of European citizens, according to a report by MPs, which warns that the failure to remove a population "the size of a small town" could undermine public confidence in the UK’s EU membership.

[Toy Soldier]

I was in the queue on that day. I wanted an Audi but all of the local Poles had took them first.

I had to settle for a Ford Focus. :(

Bloody typical. Europeans coming over here, taking our Audis and BMWs and what do native Brits get?? A Corsa if they're lucky, or ... ... a Polo :fist:. I saw one old gent who has lived in this town his entire life having to make do with a Ford Ka! It's a disgrace! The sooner Brexit comes the better.

[Kizzy]

Personally can't be doing with all that anti-establishment bull. That's for impressionable rebellious student types trying to 'find themselves'.

Nope, that's for anyone who feels their civil rights are being eroded and are no longer happy to be led by the nose.

[Withano]

I like to follow life by one simple question with two possible answers

'Is there a problem?'

No - thanks to Brexit
Yes - thanks to immigrants

Its simple, if you dont understand it, youre probably in education or a loony lefty.

[Tom4784]

Oh this thread is ****ing absurd, put down your copies of the Daily Express and do some research

For starters, a UCL report (http://www.cream-migration.org/publ_uploads/CDP_22_13.pdf) found that the positive net contribution of EU migrants since 2000 totalled £20bn, compared with a negative figure for native born Brits of £617bn. Moreover, they were 43% less likely than natives to claim benefits and tax credits, and 7% less likely to be living in social housing (https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2014/nov/05/eu-migrants-uk-gains-20bn-ucl-study). Not only that, but they are on average better educated than natives (https://www.ucl.ac.uk/news/news-articles/1114/051114-economic-impact-EU-immigration)...with...get this, 25% of those pesky recent Eastern European migrants being university graduates compared with only 24% of Brits.

On a separate but related note, unemployment benefits total just 1% of the welfare spending bill (http://visual.ons.gov.uk/welfare-spending/), and even if you collate the figures for housing and family support, they still do not exceed the amount we spend on pensions. Why do people always forget this?

Migrants undercutting wages of British workers is the fault of their employers who are illegally underpaying them. The poverty we have in this country is the fault of successive governments failing to build adequate levels of social housing, and the continuing obsession with 'clamping down' on benefit fraud despite the fact that uncollected tax is 30x more of a loss. But no we won't give a **** about any of that because it's not a tangible scenario that we can envisage like Blanka and her family of seventeen kids not working and not speaking English is :rolleyes:

:clap1:

Personally can't be doing with all that anti-establishment bull. That's for impressionable rebellious student types trying to 'find themselves'.

I have complete and utter sincere pity for anyone that doesn't think their government should be questioned or held accountable for their actions.

[Brillopad]

:clap1:



I have complete and utter sincere pity for anyone that doesn't think their government should be questioned or held accountable for their actions.


Did I say that. No words in mouths please. What I have little time for are those that see conspiracy theories around every corner and act as though they are the 'enlightened' generation and the first to question the establishment.

I find it idealistic, naïve and downright hypocritical that many are quick to question the establishment but refuse to question religious ideology and oppressive practice in their own countries - basically because it isn't fashionable, PC. They defend the undefendable in their blind attempts to lay all blame at the establishment and their misguided attempts at 'justice'. Western governments cannot compare/compete with religion when it comes to oppression and dictatorships.

I believe everyone should be held accountable for their actions whatever race, religion or nationality and PC should never get in the way of that. I too have complete and utter pity for anyone who doesn't think religious ideology and relating oppressive practice should be questioned and people indulging in such practices in this country held accountable. Since when did being a minority put someone above the laws and beliefs of a country. The same rules should apply to all and people shouldn't fear challenging behaviours because the culprits happen to be a minority group within that country.

Idealism and tunnel vision go hand in hand.

[Cherie]

Oh this thread is ****ing absurd, put down your copies of the Daily Express and do some research

For starters, migration.org/publ_uploads/CDP_22_13.pdf]a UCL report (http://www.cream-Not only that, but they are on average better educated than natives (https://www.ucl.ac.uk/news/news-articles/1114/051114-economic-impact-EU-immigration)...with...get this, 25% of those pesky recent Eastern European migrants being university graduates compared with only 24% of Brits.[/B]

On a separate but related note, unemployment benefits total just 1% of the welfare spending bill (http://visual.ons.gov.uk/welfare-spending/), and even if you collate the figures for housing and family support, they still do not exceed the amount we spend on pensions. Why do people always forget this?

Migrants undercutting wages of British workers is the fault of their employers who are illegally underpaying them. The poverty we have in this country is the fault of successive governments failing to build adequate levels of social housing, and the continuing obsession with 'clamping down' on benefit fraud despite the fact that uncollected tax is 30x more of a loss. But no we won't give a **** about any of that because it's not a tangible scenario that we can envisage like Blanka and her family of seventeen kids not working and not speaking English is :rolleyes:


But then the spin is they are taking our jobs :hee: you can't win as an immigrant

[Crimson Dynamo]

snip

Migrants undercutting wages of British workers is the fault of their employers who are illegally underpaying them. snip

SO not "because Brits bare too lazy to do the jobs"?

And then also the faulty of say the NHS themselves when we are told "if all the immigrants left the NHS would collapse"?

[Toy Soldier]

SO not "because Brits bare too lazy to do the jobs"?

And then also the fault of say the NHS themselves when we are told "if all the immigrants left the NHS would collapse"?

The NHS would collapse if all immigrants left because of the sheer number of qualified, trained NHS staff who are immigrants. You can't just say "Oh but Betty down the street needs a job, she can do it!"

[Crimson Dynamo]

The NHS would collapse if all immigrants left because of the sheer number of qualified, trained NHS staff who are immigrants. You can't just say "Oh but Betty down the street needs a job, she can do it!"

I guess it would collapse if all men left, or all right handed people left or if all people who masturbated once a week left?

are you suggesting we should allow the unfettered influx of organ abusers into the UK?

[Toy Soldier]

I guess it would collapse if all men left, or all right handed people left or if all people who masturbated once a week left?


Err yes but no one is suggesting removing those people from the country. As far as I'm aware.

[Tom4784]

Did I say that. No words in mouths please. What I have little time for are those that see conspiracy theories around every corner and act as though they are the 'enlightened' generation and the first to question the establishment.

I find it idealistic, naïve and downright hypocritical that many are quick to question the establishment but refuse to question religious ideology and oppressive practice in their own countries - basically because it isn't fashionable, PC. They defend the undefendable in their blind attempts to lay all blame at the establishment and their misguided attempts at 'justice'. Western governments cannot compare/compete with religion when it comes to oppression and dictatorships.

I believe everyone should be held accountable for their actions whatever race, religion or nationality and PC should never get in the way of that. I too have complete and utter pity for anyone who doesn't think religious ideology and relating oppressive practice should be questioned and people indulging in such practices in this country held accountable. Since when did being a minority put someone above the laws and beliefs of a country. The same rules should apply to all and people shouldn't fear challenging behaviours because the culprits happen to be a minority group within that country.

Idealism and tunnel vision go hand in hand.

The media DO tend to create scapegoats because it's easy to get people who want their prejudices validated to buy into it. Newspapers like ongoing narratives since it's easy to report on new developments and they'll get a strong response. The good example of this is the Andrew Sachs mess that happened a few years back, it wasn't actually a story until the Daily Mail reported on it and encouraged people to complain then they spent weeks ****ting out 'follow up' stories which the public ate up.
Why go out and actually investigate a story when you can control the narrative and write 500 words on the latest statements and developments about the narrative on social media?

Everything that Jack stated were based on factual evidence so there's no conspiracy theorising there either unless you're simply denying truths you disagree with.

I also find this 'You can't complain about corrupt governments when there's muslims running about!' suggestion you made to be incredibly foolish. I care more about the government stripping away funding for public services so they can privatise everything than having an irrational hatred of muslims. All religions have fundamentalists, moderates and everything in between, I'd rather focus on what the government is doing than worry about Raheela next door's choice to wear a hijab.

Everything else in your post is just the typical meaningless 'PC BLAH BLAH, YOUNG PEOPLE ARE NAIVE!' bull****.