Is multiculturalism really just a euphemism for the destruction of your own culture?

[Liberty4eva]

I dislike the word "multiculturalism" because it seems to be a back-handed way of saying your own culture isn't good enough. Nations throughout history have moved towards having a single culture and it seems obvious to me why: there is less confusion and it is easier to predict the behavior of their fellow countrymen. If multiculturalism is what you believe in, then you don't believe in anything, IMHO. It's the celebration of the destruction of your own country.

[Marsh.]

I dislike the word "multiculturalism" because it seems to be a back-handed way of saying your own culture isn't good enough.

:umm2: On what planet?

What a silly, cynical, ridiculous viewpoint.

[Scarlett.]

Culture thrives and evolves through contact with other cultures, or else it stagnates.

[jennyjuniper]

I',m all in favour of some multiculterism, it makes life more interesting, but the other cultures should not overwhelm the culture of the host country.

[Beso]

Weekly celebrations should be enough.

[VanessaFeltz.]

I',m all in favour of some multiculterism, it makes life more interesting, but the other cultures should not overwhelm the culture of the host country.

basically

[Tregard]

Nations throughout history have moved towards having a single culture and it seems obvious to me why: there is less confusion and it is easier to predict the behavior of their fellow countrymen.

You could argue the exact same thing on a global scale; the international community itself is moving towards a singular culture which is that of the shared culture of all nations. The idea of a "culture" can be defined as locally or as globally as you like, but a society grows from learning and appreciating them in my opinion.

[Crimson Dynamo]

every culture needs a degree of cross fertilisation but not like we have endured and not if they arrive with a superstition cult attached

the word has been used to hide uncontrolled immigration and poor integration

[Withano]

Every country is becoming more multi-cultural. Tunisia, for example, has bars and night club - the people dont even drink alcohol.

They're not doing it because the Tunisian culture isn't good enough, they're doing it because cultures from elsewhere are also good, people are always going to want to travel, and theres room to incorporate practices from everywhere

Give it a few hundred years and I can't imagine culture will separate countries very much. Everywhere will be have a similar combination of policies and practices.. and people will gradually get less and less scared of a new mosque in town because we wont stay stupid forever.

[Livia]

I don't have a problem with multiculturalism. I have a problem with over-multiculturalism. I come from the East End of London. There's nothing left for indiginous Londoners there, unless you can afford a £multi-million apartment overlooking the Thames.

[ebandit]

....like reading a murakami novel...characters may have japanese names are in

japan.............but products consumed/events could be occurring in any country

across our globe..............................

Mark L

[Brillopad]

Every country is becoming more multi-cultural. Tunisia, for example, has bars and night club - the people dont even drink alcohol.

They're not doing it because the Tunisian culture isn't good enough, they're doing it because cultures from elsewhere are also good, people are always going to want to travel, and theres room to incorporate practices from everywhere

Give it a few hundred years and I can't imagine culture will separate countries very much. Everywhere will be have a similar combination of policies and practices.. and people will gradually get less and less scared of a new mosque in town because we wont stay stupid forever.

A perfect example of wishful thinking. It won't happen however much you want to believe it.

To just insult everyone who values their own culture by calling them stupid does not show you in a good light and is good case of pot and kettle.

[Tom4784]

The UK was built on multiculturalism, we'd be worse off without it.

Culture is a constantly evolving thing and it's sad that anyone would want to stand in the way of that because of their own prejudices and fear of change.

[Crimson Dynamo]

The UK was built on multiculturalism, we'd be worse off without it.

Culture is a constantly evolving thing and it's sad that anyone would want to stand in the way of that because of their own prejudices and fear of change.

Do you agree that immigration must be sensibly controlled?

[Brillopad]

The UK was built on multiculturalism, we'd be worse off without it.

Culture is a constantly evolving thing and it's sad that anyone would want to stand in the way of that because of their own prejudices and fear of change.

I think some clearly fear change a lot more than others with their overly religious, superstitious beliefs that have held them back centuries.

[Kizzy]

How ironic that the empire has as issue with multiculturalism.

As ye sow ( for the religibots)

[Crimson Dynamo]

How ironic that the empire has as issue with multiculturalism.

As ye sow ( for the religibots)

The British Empire is not a person and does not exist so your comment is illogical

[Kizzy]

The British Empire is not a person and does not exist so your comment is illogical

Were colonialists not people?...Ok then

[Northern Monkey]

No,Multiculturalism is a good thing.Just not in the ridiculous numbers we've been enduring.It needs to be a steady flow not a monsoon.When white British are a minority in Britains capital city then that is too much multiculturalism.

[Shaun]

What exactly, beyond morris dancing, does the British culture even mean any more without some form of influence from those we've invaded?

[Brillopad]

Oh here we go with the Britain has no culture rubbish. If you don't see it and you don't feel it maybe you are living in the wrong country.

[Kizzy]

If anyone mentions fish and chips, so help me!... :fist:

[Shaun]

Oh here we go with the Britain has no culture rubbish. If you don't see it and you don't feel it maybe you are living in the wrong country.

And here we go with the "deport everyone who doesn't share my opinion" rubbish.

[DemolitionRed]

I’ve enjoyed growing up in a culturally diverse country and I think I’m correct in believing all progressive countries have multiculturalism, even Australia! I also think multiculturalism can have its problems. When large pockets of a country have segregated communities and those ethnic communities can’t speak our language or merge and embrace diversity, then it becomes regressive, not progressive. I also believe that such communities give people a platform for racism and racism is certainly regressive.

[Brillopad]

And here we go with the "deport everyone who doesn't share my opinion" rubbish.

Why would anyone want to come here if they don't like the culture and way of life unless they are simply after the economic benefits created by that culture. Are their motives to simply reap the financial rewards and nothing else. If so why would we welcome them.

[DemolitionRed]

Why would anyone want to come here if they don't like the culture and way of life unless they are simply after the economic benefits created by that culture. Are their motives to simply reap the financial rewards and nothing else. If so why would we welcome them.

Because they pay into the tax system?

[Crimson Dynamo]

Because they pay into the tax system?

which?

[Tom4784]

I think some clearly fear change a lot more than others with their overly religious, superstitious beliefs that have held them back centuries.

Brillo bringing up muslims again?

*takes another shot*

[Brillopad]

Brillo bringing up muslims again?

*takes another shot*

You need to improve your technique.

[DemolitionRed]

which?

“Sometimes we find ourselves walking through life blindfolded, and we try to deny that we're the ones who securely tied the knot.”

Vanishing Acts

[Withano]

A perfect example of wishful thinking. It won't happen however much you want to believe it.

To just insult everyone who values their own culture by calling them stupid does not show you in a good light and is good case of pot and kettle.

Did you even read my post or did you decide what you wanted me to say and reply to that instead :joker:

The only time I used the word 'stupid' was to refer to people who are scared of mosques, nobody is scared of mosques - I was being silly, not everything is very serious..
If there was a person who was scared of a mosques, then yes they are stupid lol, but that has nothing to do with culture, which your post strangely suggested? Clarification there might help. But yes, a fear of a mosque would just be idiocy, or tbf, an irrational phobia, and theres several treatments for that.

I'm not sure if you read my post properly

[Withano]

Brillo bringing up muslims again?

*takes another shot*

:joker:

[Tom4784]

You need to improve your technique.

You could do with making more sense tbh.

[armand.kay]

Why are people so thirsty to preserve cultures and traditions? Like most great cultures are constantly changing and evolving with the times just think about how much Britain changes every 100 years. also why are people shook over a few mosques but are happy open up just eat and get themselves a vindaloo and some bhaji's?

[Brillopad]

Did you even read my post or did you decide what you wanted me to say and reply to that instead :joker:

The only time I used the word 'stupid' was to refer to people who are scared of mosques, nobody is scared of mosques - I was being silly, not everything is very serious..
If there was a person who was scared of a mosques, then yes they are stupid lol, but that has nothing to do with culture, which your post strangely suggested? Clarification there might help. But yes, a fear of a mosque would just be idiocy, or tbf, an irrational phobia, and theres several treatments for that.

I'm not sure if you read my post properly

You're the one always sarcastically implying people are scared of anything Muslim. Dislike of a controlling religion/culture is not fear and to constantly attempt to undermine peoples' opinions by writing them off as simply scared of difference is Provocative and blind.

It also demonstrates a serious lack of understanding of the long-term effects of the mass immigration of such a culture. Ideology is often blind.

[Livia]

Plenty of other cultures didn't see the British as adding to their culture. Or the French. Or the Germans. Or the Portuguese.

Nothing wrong with accepting other cultures, it all adds to the rich tapestry. However... when other cultures completely overrun an area, like east London for instance, people are entitled to be angry.

[Niamh.]

Plenty of other cultures didn't see the British as adding to their culture. Or the French. Or the Germans. Or the Portuguese.

Nothing wrong with accepting other cultures, it all adds to the rich tapestry. However... when other cultures completely overrun an area, like east London for instance, people are entitled to be angry.

What? When they invaded their countries you mean? I wonder why that is :think:

[Brillopad]

You could do with making more sense tbh.

Ha, ha pot and kettle!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[Withano]

You're the one always sarcastically implying people are scared of anything Muslim. Dislike of a controlling religion/culture is not fear and to constantly attempt to undermine peoples' opinions by writing them off as simply scared of difference is Provocative and blind.

It also demonstrates a serious lack of understanding of the long-term effects of the mass immigration of such a culture. Ideology is often blind.

Do you see why reacting to it as if it was very serious was a bit mindless lol?
Good luck promoting an ideological British culture, presumably thats not blind?

[Livia]

What? When they invaded their countries you mean? I wonder why that is :think:

Yes, that's what I mean. But sadly, it's just the British who bear the brunt of colonialism, despite the fact that most of us never made one penny piece from it, and other countries who were just as cruel and just as wrong, are forgiven. People have a real downer on our history, and while it was appalliing in many cases, we are still being held to account while other countries are revered. And the people who made nothing from imperialism are the ones who now have their areas given over to immigration.

I'm wondering how much longer we have to wear sackcloth and ashes because people generations ago had a bad idea.

It's like the whole United Ireland thing. Most decent English people want whatever's best for Ireland and recognise that what happened in the past was wrong - and that's a mild word for what happened.

We're told we must forgive Germany and Japan... but we can never forgive ourselves and move on.

[Brillopad]

Because they pay into the tax system?

Many don't.

[Brillopad]

Do you see why reacting to it as if it was very serious was a bit mindless lol?
Good luck promoting an ideological British culture, presumably thats not blind?

Many try to disguise the true meaning of their words with 'humour'. Doesn't wash.

[Niamh.]

Yes, that's what I mean. But sadly, it's just the British who bear the brunt of colonialism, despite the fact that most of us never made one penny piece from it, and other countries who were just as cruel and just as wrong, are forgiven. People have a real downer on our history, and while it was appalliing in many cases, we are still being held to account while other countries are revered. And the people who made nothing from imperialism are the ones who now have their areas given over to immigration.

I'm wondering how much longer we have to wear sackcloth and ashes because people generations ago had a bad idea.

It's like the whole United Ireland thing. Most decent English people want whatever's best for Ireland and recognise that what happened in the past was wrong - and that's a mild word for what happened.

We're told we must forgive Germany and Japan... but we can never forgive ourselves and move on.

Well, I can't speak for everyone else but for me obviously as an Irish person the British empire effected my own country which is why it's more personal I suppose as I would imagine Germany would be for you? I suppose while Ireland is still split in two it's always going to be there in the background as well although I'm not sure if that can ever be rectified at this stage tbh. I do think our countries have turned a corner though compared to not so long ago.

I know your stance on it but it is very maddening when you have people like Arista saying that "England owns Northern Ireland" and a person from Northern Ireland has no right to comment on what happens to his country

[Livia]

Well, I can't speak for everyone else but for me obviously as an Irish person the British empire effected my own country which is why it's more personal I suppose as I would imagine Germany would be for you? I suppose while Ireland is still split in two it's always going to be there in the background as well although I'm not sure if that can ever be rectified at this stage tbh. I do think our countries have turned a corner though compared to not so long ago.

I know your stance on it but it is very maddening when you have people like Arista saying that "England owns Northern Ireland" and a person from Northern Ireland has no right to comment on what happens to his country

yeah, I saw the "we own you..." posts yesterday. I honestly don't know anyone who feels like that.

[Brillopad]

Well, I can't speak for everyone else but for me obviously as an Irish person the British empire effected my own country which is why it's more personal I suppose as I would imagine Germany would be for you? I suppose while Ireland is still split in two it's always going to be there in the background as well although I'm not sure if that can ever be rectified at this stage tbh. I do think our countries have turned a corner though compared to not so long ago.

I know your stance on it but it is very maddening when you have people like Arista saying that "England owns Northern Ireland" and a person from Northern Ireland has no right to comment on what happens to his country

Just as it is very maddening that people try to deny our culture and way of life as meaningless. Some of us value our culture and will defend it to the hilt.

[Niamh.]

yeah, I saw the "we own you..." posts yesterday. I honestly don't know anyone who feels like that.

Yeah, I hope TiBB isn't a proper representation of the general British public :laugh:

Just as it is very maddening that people try to deny our culture and way of life as meaningless. Some of us value our culture and will defend it to the hilt.

There's literally no similarities at all in these two things

[Livia]

Yeah, I hope TiBB isn't a proper representation of the general British public :laugh:







Oh GOD so do I! LMAO....

[Brillopad]

Yeah, I hope TiBB isn't a proper representation of the general British public :laugh:



There's literally no similarities at all in these two things

The principle and strength of feeling it creates are the same in my opinion.

[Tom4784]

Ha, ha pot and kettle!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

More meaningless platitudes.

[Brillopad]

More meaningless platitudes.

Not meaningless. I think the meaning was very clear.

[Kizzy]

Plenty of other cultures didn't see the British as adding to their culture. Or the French. Or the Germans. Or the Portuguese.

Nothing wrong with accepting other cultures, it all adds to the rich tapestry. However... when other cultures completely overrun an area, like east London for instance, people are entitled to be angry.

Have you ever been to Benidorm?

[Livia]

Have you ever been to Benidorm?

No, I have never been to Benidorm or anywhere resembling Benidorm. But I have heard the wild, sweeping generalisations on here that British people living in Europe are mostly fish and chip-munching, bingo-playing, lager-swilling chavs. Is that what you mean?

And of course, lots of Spanish people have made lots and lots of Euros off the backs of the British living out there... so let's hope the government's worries for them post-Brexit are as strong as all the hand-wringing over Europeans living here. They're much more valuable it seems.

[Kizzy]

yeah, I saw the "we own you..." posts yesterday. I honestly don't know anyone who feels like that.

Our government feels like that obv.

[Livia]

Our government feels like that obv.

Really? The same government who instigated the Good Friday Agreement?

As opposed to Labour sacked Mo Mowlam, a politician with immense respect, and replaced her with.... Mandelson. Shocked it went forward to be honest.

[Kizzy]

No, I have never been to Benidorm or anywhere resembling Benidorm. But I have heard the wild, sweeping generalisations on here that British people living in Europe are mostly fish and chip-munching, bingo-playing, lager-swilling chavs. Is that what you mean?

And of course, lots of Spanish people have made lots and lots of Euros off the backs of the British living out there... so let's hope the government's worries for them post-Brexit are as strong as all the hand-wringing over Europeans living here. They're much more valuable it seems.


Hey if you get to generalise about eastenders I can too fairs fair, I wonder if they ever hark back to the days before the package holiday...how did they ever survive as a nation without us?...

London will be ok it has sold most things of any value to the Saudis or the Chinese....Oi oi saveloy, Loadsamonay!!

[Livia]

Hey if you get to generalise about eastenders I can too fairs fair, I wonder if they ever hark back to the days before the package holiday...how did they ever survive as a nation without us?...

London will be ok it has sold most things of any value to the Saudis or the Chinese....Oi oi saveloy, Loadsamonay!!

Yes. That's everyone in London. All 9 million of them. Fortunately there are no poor people in London. Well, no poor white people.

[jennyjuniper]

Why are people so thirsty to preserve cultures and traditions? Like most great cultures are constantly changing and evolving with the times just think about how much Britain changes every 100 years. also why are people shook over a few mosques but are happy open up just eat and get themselves a vindaloo and some bhaji's?

A few mosques!! When did you last visit the North of England or the Midlands?

[Brillopad]

As long as those who value British culture don't allow those too blind or with ulterior motives to undermine that belief, then British culture and way of life will prevail. The PC brigade and those that seek to destroy British culture will only 'win' if allowed to.

[Withano]

As long as those who value British culture don't allow those too blind or with ulterior motives to undermine that belief, then British culture and way of life will prevail. The PC brigade and those that seek to destroy British culture will only 'win' if allowed to.

Is it important that British culture stays the exact same to what it is right now, or can it evolve and adapt in your opinion?

[ArgyESC]

No, not at all.