Do you have to be in favor of immigration from everywhere to prove u are not racist?

[Liberty4eva]

Seriously. That is the vibe I get. If I didn't want people from the Middle East to come to the USA would that make me a bad person? :shrug:

[thesheriff443]

I think it makes you narrow minded, bad people come from every where the same as good people.
If the shoe was on the other foot and someone was saying they don't want you coming to them because of where you are from would you not think that was wrong.

There was a good program on once where a child was locked up with chickens, he then took on all the traits of a chicken.

[VanessaFeltz.]

I mean no but you have to think there are valuable people in middle east for example me (:P) that would be an asset to the society rather than hinder it.

Strict control in borders is an understandable and smart desicion but to say you CANT come is... bad

[Beso]

I think it makes you narrow minded, bad people come from every where the same as good people.
If the shoe was on the other foot and someone was saying they don't want you coming to them because of where you are from would you not think that was wrong.

There was a good program on once where a child was locked up with chickens, he then took on all the traits of a chicken.

Obviously not a muslim child or the chickens eggs would be popping out little chicklims.

[Kazanne]

Seriously. That is the vibe I get. If I didn't want people from the Middle East to come to the USA would that make me a bad person? :shrug:

I think its stupid to let any Tom ,Dick and Harry into a country,let people in by all means but have the sense to vet them and do not let any race destroy your countries culture and traditions, this is what has happened a lot here in the UK, some places here are uncomfortable to walk round in, so it's not racist just common sense.

[Toy Soldier]

Seriously. That is the vibe I get. If I didn't want people from the Middle East to come to the USA would that make me a bad person? :shrug:

Err... if you don't want ANYONE from the Middle East to come to the US as a sweeping generalisation, regardless of who they are / what they believe in, then yes that is in fact the very definition of racism. Sorry. :shrug:

I mean there's more of a discussion if you go into issues of religion or culture / integration but you're saying you don't want "anyone from the Middle East" full stop, regardless of their religion, upbringing, or personal philosophies?

[arista]

Seriously. That is the vibe I get. If I didn't want people from the Middle East to come to the USA would that make me a bad person? :shrug:


No I see it More Simple
Legit Legal Immigrants are Fine
they arrive , Pay TAX, and work
become part of the community.


L4e you are missing the point
say Legit Legal Immigrants
then left and right agree. (ref : CNN HD, FoxNewsHD, CBSnewsHD)

Its all these ILLEGAL Immigrants
that will be stopped in USA and UK


there is a red line
never cross that red line
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Life In The City.

[Withano]

Not all anti-immigration people are racist
But all racist people are anti-immigration

Youll only be presumed to be the latter if you have a dodgy reasoning or poor word choices.

[Livia]

Being anti-immigration doesn't mean you are racist, but it does mean that you will be judged by those who are not anti-immigration. They're the ones who will decide. They'll interpret your words in whichever way suits them and turn it around to shine the light of goodness upon themselves while casting you down as a Nazi.

Also, if you don't want people from the Middle East coming to your country, people will point out that all Muslims are not terrorists and how we could be missing out on good people adding value to our country. And you know, the MINUTE we have a way of checking which ones coming in are terrorist and who are moderates, they will have a point. Because if I was in charge of Al Qaida, IS or any of the lunatic terrorist organisations, I'd be making sure every second person was one of mine.

[thesheriff443]

Being anti-immigration doesn't mean you are racist, but it does mean that you will be judged by those who are not anti-immigration. They're the ones who will decide. They'll interpret your words in whichever way suits them and turn it around to shine the light of goodness upon themselves while casting you down as a Nazi.

Also, if you don't want people from the Middle East coming to your country, people will point out that all Muslims are not terrorists and how we could be missing out on good people adding value to our country. And you know, the MINUTE we have a way of checking which ones coming in are terrorist and who are moderates, they will have a point. Because if I was in charge of Al Qaida, IS or any of the lunatic terrorist organisations, I'd be making sure every second person was one of mine.
Livia you judge just like we all do and highlight the parts of someone's post that suits you agenda.

[Livia]

Livia you judge just like we all do and highlight the parts of someone's post that suits you agenda.

I don't have an agenda. I have opinions.

This is a Big Brother forum. In the sceme of things, it isn't important that everyone likes me or agrees with me.

[Crimson Dynamo]

Not all anti-immigration people are racist
But all racist people are anti-immigration

Youll only be presumed to be the latter if you have a dodgy reasoning or poor word choices.

thats is just a left wing slogan and has no basis in fact

you are just repeating what you heard, probably on tv

[Kazanne]

Being anti-immigration doesn't mean you are racist, but it does mean that you will be judged by those who are not anti-immigration. They're the ones who will decide. They'll interpret your words in whichever way suits them and turn it around to shine the light of goodness upon themselves while casting you down as a Nazi.

Also, if you don't want people from the Middle East coming to your country, people will point out that all Muslims are not terrorists and how we could be missing out on good people adding value to our country. And you know, the MINUTE we have a way of checking which ones coming in are terrorist and who are moderates, they will have a point. Because if I was in charge of Al Qaida, IS or any of the lunatic terrorist organisations, I'd be making sure every second person was one of mine.

:clap1::clap1:

[ebandit]

..........i don't expect to have right to emigrate to USA or sweden....................

Mark L

[thesheriff443]

I don't have an agenda. I have opinions.

This is a Big Brother forum. In the sceme of things, it isn't important that everyone likes me or agrees with me.

You have an opinion that's true, we all do but when you say some people will take what is said and twist it you are talking about members on here.

I don't kiss arse, but I also don't feel the need to argue with people who disagree with my opinions.

And true its a bb forum.

[Crimson Dynamo]

I take it everyone on the forum would of course agree we have had too much uncontrolled immigration in the UK?

[Tom4784]

Wanting stricter immigration policies does not make you a racist, it's the intent and motivation that makes the difference. Not all people that want a tough immigration stance are racist but all racists want that tough stance.

The whole 'if I speak out against immigration then I'm gonna be called a racist' is just a shield to discredit those accusations. It's simple to spot a racist and more often then not, it's not their stance on immigration that gets them clocked.

[jennyjuniper]

I take it everyone on the forum would of course agree we have had too much uncontrolled immigration in the UK?

Yes I would agree with that statement.

[DemolitionRed]

I don't think its racist to be concerned but I think its naive if you have become concerned because you have been listening to far right media.

What we need is proper debate about immigration but every time we try to do that, we just end up with faux outrage on both sides. I've got some small concerns about immigration and I would like some of my questions answered but I won't converse and debate with people who think all the Middle East are a psychotic death cult or Eastern Europeans are stealing all our jobs.

Our laws on immigration mustn't be built on the backs of prejudice and bigotry but on sensible solutions.

[Northern Monkey]

If you don't want middle eastern people to be let in because brown people then that is racist.
If you don't want Islam in your country then no that is not racist as you are against a religion which is your right.
Islam is a problem.Sikhs and Hindus and pretty much every other religion seems to integrate fine without causing problems.
Islamisation only takes civilisations backwards.Just look at the state of mainland Europe now and it's not getting any better.
Even once beautiful parts of Britain have been Islamised and turned into Muslim ghettos and are unrecognisable and some are no go areas for whites.
There are areas where you could mistake them for being a middle eastern towns if it weren't for the bad whether.

Personally though i'm not against immigration from the middle east but i'd control it much better and i'd let more refugees in who need our help first.More than we are now.From the camps and vetted and i'd take in professionals who we need i.e doctors,business men etc.

[Brillopad]

Wanting stricter immigration policies does not make you a racist, it's the intent and motivation that makes the difference. Not all people that want a tough immigration stance are racist but all racists want that tough stance.

The whole 'if I speak out against immigration then I'm gonna be called a racist' is just a shield to discredit those accusations. It's simple to spot a racist and more often then not, it's not their stance on immigration that gets them clocked.

'Clocking'' as you put it could just as easily be described as paranoia. Just because you think you have 'clocked' someone doesn't make you right - you do realise that don't you. Your opinion is not always right.

[Kizzy]

I don't have an agenda. I have opinions.

This is a Big Brother forum. In the sceme of things, it isn't important that everyone likes me or agrees with me.

You have to accept immigration from everywhere to prove you aren't prejudiced in my view.

If you have an opinion where is it? our post covers some A N Others opinion...not yours.

[Brillopad]

Seriously. That is the vibe I get. If I didn't want people from the Middle East to come to the USA would that make me a bad person? :shrug:

No and no one should allow people who think like that to make them doubt themselves. Their opinions are simply that, opinions,

[Brillopad]

You have to accept immigration from everywhere to prove you aren't prejudiced in my view.

.

Excuse me for not buying into that load of old leftist nonsence.

[Northern Monkey]

You have to accept immigration from everywhere to prove you aren't prejudiced in my view.


I mean yeah.Obviously your statement is an inarguable fact.
However that does'nt make you 'racist' if you don't.
You may be for example perfectly fine with people from Egypt coming in but not from Iraq.

Predjudice is'nt always a bad thing.I'm pretty predjudiced towards radical Islamists preaching hate.That's not a bad thing.Calling somebody predjudiced is'nt necessarily an insult.
Everyone is predjudiced towards something.

[Crimson Dynamo]

Excuse me for not buying into that load of old leftist nonsence.

:joker:

[Kizzy]

Excuse me for not buying into that load of old leftist nonsence.

Ah well I'll leave you to wallow in the stench of your own ignorance then.

[Kizzy]

I mean yeah.Obviously your statement is an inarguable fact.
However that does'nt make you 'racist' if you don't.
You may be for example perfectly fine with people from Egypt coming in but not from Iraq.

Predjudice is'nt always a bad thing.I'm pretty predjudiced towards radical Islamists preaching hate.That's not a bad thing.Calling somebody predjudiced is'nt necessarily an insult.
Everyone is predjudiced towards something.

I did not suggest it did.

Aaaaand we're back to Muslims again.

[Brillopad]

Ah well I'll leave you to wallow in the stench of your own ignorance then.

I can say exactly the same to you. There are none so blind as those that cannot see!!

[Kizzy]

I can say exactly the same to you. There are none so blind as those that cannot see!!

Yes I saw that earlier when Livia posed it, means nothing it's just another nonsense statement.
Unless you can put it into the context of the discussion don't bother with the irrelevant soundbites please.

[Tom4784]

'Clocking'' as you put it could just as easily be described as paranoia. Just because you think you have 'clocked' someone doesn't make you right - you do realise that don't you. Your opinion is not always right.

Except it is, dear.

I live in a heavily racist area, sadly. I can tell if someone's a racist a mile off and it's easy to spot a racist that's trying to hide the fact that they are racist.

One solid tell is when someone gets more offended over the word 'racist' than the incident which prompted the use of it.

[Brillopad]

Except it is, dear.

I live in a heavily racist area, sadly. I can tell if someone's a racist a mile off and it's easy to spot a racist that's trying to hide the fact that they are racist.

One solid tell is when someone gets more offended over the word 'racist' than the incident which prompted the use of it.

You think you can, not the same. It doesn't matter how many times you try to state your opinion as fact - it simply isn't.

[Withano]

thats is just a left wing slogan and has no basis in fact

you are just repeating what you heard, probably on tv

You think racist people are likely to be pro-immigration? I mean I'm all for supplying sources when they're required but this just needs ten seconds of rational thinking lol?..
And then my other point was not all anti-immigration people are racist? I cant imagine you have a problem with me saying this either?

So what was your problem with my original post? Just in an argumentative mood?

[Tom4784]

You think you can, not the same. It doesn't matter how many times you try to state your opinion as fact - it simply isn't.

When did I say my opinion is fact?

Honestly Wombai, stick to arguing the points instead of making up and misrepresent what people are saying as you go along.

[armand.kay]

Wanting stricter immigration policies does not make you a racist, it's the intent and motivation that makes the difference. Not all people that want a tough immigration stance are racist but all racists want that tough stance.

The whole 'if I speak out against immigration then I'm gonna be called a racist' is just a shield to discredit those accusations. It's simple to spot a racist and more often then not, it's not their stance on immigration that gets them clocked.

Say I was a white supremacist who's all up for white europeans coming through?

[thesheriff443]

What gives one human being the right to decide where another human being should live?
We where born on this planet we don't own it.

[arista]

What gives one human being the right to decide where another human being should live?
We where born on this planet we don't own it.


Money


Mercenaries take lives for money

[the truth]

Seriously. That is the vibe I get. If I didn't want people from the Middle East to come to the USA would that make me a bad person? :shrug:

that is what labour think, they label anyone who disagrees with them as either sexist or racist. Thats why they will never ever be voted into power ever again

[the truth]

When did I say my opinion is fact?

Honestly Wombai, stick to arguing the points instead of making up and misrepresent what people are saying as you go along.

But thats what you do

[Brillopad]

When did I say my opinion is fact?

Honestly Wombai, stick to arguing the points instead of making up and misrepresent what people are saying as you go along.

I suggest you re-read your posts as you were doing just that.

Could you quit your obsession with wombai - it's beyond childish and pretty boring.

[Tom4784]

Say I was a white supremacist who's all up for white europeans coming through?

White Europeans aren't being excluded from the US though, it's not them that are affected by Trump's muslim ban and they aren't likely to be affected by those issues in the future. It'll be places like South America, Africa and the Middle East that'll suffer restrictions the most.

[Tom4784]

But thats what you do

Saying that I'm always right is not the same as saying my opinions are factual.

[Crimson Dynamo]

White Europeans aren't being excluded from the US though, it's not them that are affected by Trump's muslim ban and they aren't likely to be affected by those issues in the future. It'll be places like South America, Africa and the Middle East that'll suffer restrictions the most.

sigh

Its not a Muslim ban


Please stop being inflammatory

[Tom4784]

Except the order came from a promise Trump made during the election to ban muslims from entering the country, he stated muslims specifically. To act like this isn't a muslim ban is foolishness.

[Brillopad]

Saying that I'm always right is not the same as saying my opinions are factual.

Fact!

[Tom4784]

Fact!

Are you just saying random words now?

Opinions are never facts, that's kind of basic knowledge.

[Crimson Dynamo]

Except the order came from a promise Trump made during the election to ban muslims from entering the country, he stated muslims specifically. To act like this isn't a muslim ban is foolishness.

Incorrect the countries on the list were obama picked and a Indonesia is not on the ban, the country withy the most muslims

The vast majority of the world's muslims are not on the order


So to call it a muslim ban is inflammatory. It is a temporary restriction on incoming immigrants from certain high risk countries that have proven they themselves are, or are willing to harbour groups that, are a known threat to the safety of the people of the United States.

please try to stick to facts

[Kizzy]

Incorrect the countries on the list were obama picked and a Indonesia is not on the ban, the country withy the most muslims

The vast majority of the world's muslims are not on the order


So to call it a muslim ban is inflammatory. It is a temporary restriction on incoming immigrants from certain high risk countries that have proven they themselves are, or are willing to harbour groups that, are a known threat to the safety of the people of the United States.

please try to stick to facts

Have you heard of home grown terrorism? It is actions like this that add to pressure and divisions that lead to disaffection and radicalisation.

[Brillopad]

Have you heard of home grown terrorism? It is actions like this that add to pressure and divisions that lead to disaffection and radicalisation.

Without immigration we would have no homegrown terrorism. The more immigration the more home grown terrorism.

[Livia]

Incorrect the countries on the list were obama picked and a Indonesia is not on the ban, the country withy the most muslims

The vast majority of the world's muslims are not on the order


So to call it a muslim ban is inflammatory. It is a temporary restriction on incoming immigrants from certain high risk countries that have proven they themselves are, or are willing to harbour groups that, are a known threat to the safety of the people of the United States.

please try to stick to facts

It's only a problem because it's the USA. No one's got a problem with Japan's policy and it's virtually the same as the USA only it's been in place longer.

[Kizzy]

Without immigration we would have no homegrown terrorism. The more immigration the more home grown terrorism.

That is not true, immigration has no effect on radicalisation.

[DemolitionRed]

It's only a problem because it's the USA. No one's got a problem with Japan's policy and it's virtually the same as the USA only it's been in place longer.

But Japan didn't turn much of the Middle East into a dust bowl... America did.

[Tom4784]

Without immigration we would have no homegrown terrorism. The more immigration the more home grown terrorism.

Well that's just foolishness. In America, you're more likely to die to a terror attack carried out by a Right Wing extremist or a socially awkward white teenage boy that's mad at the world then you are at the hands of a muslim terrorist, homegrown or not.

[Crimson Dynamo]

But Japan didn't turn much of the Middle East into a dust bowl... America did.

that is nonsense, what evidence have you got to make such a statement?

[Kizzy]

It's only a problem because it's the USA. No one's got a problem with Japan's policy and it's virtually the same as the USA only it's been in place longer.

Nobody has an issue with outer mongolia either, the discussion is specifically related to the US. Why is there an issue keeping the focus on the US?

[Tom4784]

It's only a problem because it's the USA. No one's got a problem with Japan's policy and it's virtually the same as the USA only it's been in place longer.

Japan is not a country that preaches freedom in every single one of it's amendments. Japan wasn't built with the same priorities in mind, for a sizable chunk of it's history it was an isolationist country. To hold it to the same standards as the US is rather silly and ill-thought out.

The muslim ban is stamping over the liberties that the US constitution vowed to protect, it's there's states rebelling and blocking it and why Trump has resorted to threats of withholding funds for places that don't cave to his unconstitutional demands.

[Crimson Dynamo]

Japan is not a country that preaches freedom in every single one of it's amendments. Japan wasn't built with the same priorities in mind, for a sizable chunk of it's history it was an isolationist country. To hold it to the same standards as the US is rather silly and ill-thought out.

The muslim ban is stamping over the liberties that the US constitution vowed to protect, it's there's states rebelling and blocking it and why Trump has resorted to threats of withholding funds for places that don't cave to his unconstitutional demands.

its not a muslim ban and your insistence in calling it that undermines anything you say on it

sorry

[Tom4784]

Yes, let's not call the MUSLIM BAN a MUSLIM BAN although it targets muslim countries and it's people, with the exceptions of the countries Trump has business interests in. Let's just ignore the fact that the MUSLIM BAN was a term Trump came up and was a promise during his campaign, let's ignore the fact that Sean Spicer, the White House's representative to the press has called it a Muslim Ban before the White House went into full on damage control.

It it looks like a MUSLIM BAN. sounds like a MUSLIM BAN then it probably is a MUSLIM BAN

[Cherie]

Yes, let's not call the MUSLIM BAN a MUSLIM BAN although it targets muslim countries and it's people, with the exceptions of the countries Trump has business interests in. Let's just ignore the fact that the MUSLIM BAN was a term Trump came up and was a promise during his campaign, let's ignore the fact that Sean Spicer, the White House's representative to the press has called it a Muslim Ban before the White House went into full on damage control.

It it looks like a MUSLIM BAN. sounds like a MUSLIM BAN then it probably is a MUSLIM BAN


I thought this was a Kirk post for a minute :hehe:

[DemolitionRed]

that is nonsense, what evidence have you got to make such a statement?

The U.S arming Sadam to attack Iran.
U.S destroying Iraq, Afghanistan and Syria.
U.S fully supporting Israel against Palestine.

[Withano]

I thought this was a Kirk post for a minute :hehe:

:joker:

[arista]

I thought this was a Kirk post for a minute :hehe:


Kirk
is needed again
I know his posts are LONG
but he is good fun.

[the truth]

Japan is not a country that preaches freedom in every single one of it's amendments. Japan wasn't built with the same priorities in mind, for a sizable chunk of it's history it was an isolationist country. To hold it to the same standards as the US is rather silly and ill-thought out.

The muslim ban is stamping over the liberties that the US constitution vowed to protect, it's there's states rebelling and blocking it and why Trump has resorted to threats of withholding funds for places that don't cave to his unconstitutional demands.

its not a muslim ban youre lying again

[the truth]

yes, let's not call the muslim ban a muslim ban although it targets muslim countries and it's people, with the exceptions of the countries trump has business interests in. Let's just ignore the fact that the muslim ban was a term trump came up and was a promise during his campaign, let's ignore the fact that sean spicer, the white house's representative to the press has called it a muslim ban before the white house went into full on damage control.

It it looks like a muslim ban. Sounds like a muslim ban then it probably is a muslim ban

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