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Scarlett.
14-03-2017, 05:13 AM
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Jon Jafari is a popular YouTube gamer and comedian better known as JonTron. He’s the founder of Normalboots—a network of channels including Did You Know Gaming and Peanutbuttergamer—and was the original cohost of the “Let’s Play” channel Game Grumps. Between those projects, Jafari wields influence over an estimated 12 million subscribers, not counting minor cameos and crossovers elsewhere within the YouTube community.

More recently, Jafari has claimed that Mexican immigrants are setting up “ethnic enclaves” in the US “to break parts of America off back into Mexico.”

Jafari began his descent into madness on Sunday, when he tweeted a defense of Iowa Representative Steve King’s controversial claim that “[we] can’t restore our civilization with somebody else’s babies,” a remark that has since been condemned by just about everyone except for white nationalist and possible fish-human David Duke. From there, Jafari’s tweets led him to agree to defend his positions during a conversation with professional streamer Steve Bonnell, better known as Destiny, on Twitch. Yes, yes, we’re getting to the interesting stuff shortly.

Over the course of two hours, Jafari’s comments on the stream ranged from baseless to deeply inflammatory. In addition to his ludicrous claim about Mexicans attempting to somehow recapture American land, he said that “we don’t need immigrants from incompatible places” and that white people were going through a “demographic displacement” due to immigration, which he likened to apartheid South Africa. Truly the mind reels. But wait, there’s more.

Jafari also claimed that wealthy black Americans commit more crimes than poor whites (citation badly needed), the court system doesn’t display bias against people of color (it does), that Irish and Italians were always considered “white” in America (they weren’t), and that Black Lives Matter doesn’t disavow violence (it does). “We’ve gotten rid of discrimination in our Western countries,” said Jafari, only to later state that “nobody wants to become a minority in their own country.”

The source of Jafari’s anxiety seems to be the looming possibility that whites will become a minority in the United States, which he projects will happen by 2042. And despite Bonnell asking repeatedly why that matters, Jafari instead stumbled through far right talking points vilifying immigrants as lazy criminals and demanding the need for America to have a unifying culture (though he was unable to express why that would demand a white majority). “White interests” and “tribalism” were something he harped on repeatedly but was unable to quantify or defend the importance of. Bonnell pointed out that Jafari is half Iranian and half Hungarian himself. Jafari appeared open to the idea of immigration, conceding that “if they assimilated they would enter the gene pool eventually.” One imagines Mengele would be proud.

Jafari was quick to jump on Bonnell the way many in the far right do when criticized: by claiming that someone is trying to police their thoughts. Jafari is free to think whatever he wants, and we’re free to think less of him for it.

“I thought he would walk back some of the more extreme things he said, but it seems like he was pushing for something more insidious than what I’d originally expected,” Bonnell told Gizmodo via Twitter. “ie: his ‘gene pool’ comment, his laughing about why black youth committed crime, his comparisons between black people in the US vs Africa.”

We reached out to Jafari and Jafari’s associated channels for comment. We’ll update if we hear back.

Gizmodo (Not the best source, but none of the big media have picked it up yet)

Previously people were able to seperate Jon from these views when he defended Trump, that's just a political difference, but Jon delves into some really bad racist stuff in the debate, a lot of his fans are turning their back on him this time.

arista
14-03-2017, 06:06 AM
Chewy
Another TRUMP thread from You

Scarlett.
14-03-2017, 06:31 AM
Um, it's not a Trump thread, I made a passing mention about Jon Tron once mentioning Trump, this is about a well known Youtuber supporting white supremacy.

arista
14-03-2017, 08:59 AM
Um, it's not a Trump thread, I made a passing mention about Jon Tron once mentioning Trump, this is about a well known Youtuber supporting white supremacy.

OK Chewy
but when many of read Trump
in your passing mention
they can then make it about Trump.


Well known Youtuber you say
I have 5 live news feeds
no one has brought his name up?

But at least you tell us the Source
so fair play to you Chewy

Tregard
14-03-2017, 09:20 AM
Yeah, Jon has been veering into this territory for a while now, I recently stopped watching him because of it, but I never would have anticipated him to go this deep this quickly. It feels like complete career suicide, but I don't know, perhaps much like Colin from Kinda Funny, he's looking towards a lucrative career in right-wing punditry where he knows his audience will be loyal to him. I think what will be very interesting is how his well established network of other Youtube personalities who are friends with him will respond. Defending what he has said would be a terrible idea, but I can definitely see that happening trying not to piss anyone off.

user104658
14-03-2017, 09:39 AM
TIL there are "Muslim Riots" regularly in the UK :think:. I'm glad this American guy told me about them because I hadn't noticed :omgno:.

ebandit
14-03-2017, 09:58 AM
Chewy
Another TRUMP thread from You

is trump not kinda important right now..........................

disunited states of trump could impact on us all

as to OP...............maybe that guy should stick with gaming?

Mark L

Withano
14-03-2017, 10:15 AM
christ, what a ****

Niamh.
14-03-2017, 10:24 AM
TIL there are "Muslim Riots" regularly in the UK :think:. I'm glad this American guy told me about them because I hadn't noticed :omgno:.

And look what happened in the UK last night just after what happened in Sweden too, Sweden fgs!

Withano
14-03-2017, 10:39 AM
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These guys sum it up in ten mins, i gave up on the original vid after 40 mins! He was just clearly a deluded moron.

arista
14-03-2017, 11:25 AM
is trump not kinda important right now..........................

disunited states of trump could impact on us all

as to OP...............maybe that guy should stick with gaming?

Mark L

Yes Very

Northern Monkey
14-03-2017, 01:13 PM
Looks like although he's not losing many viewers he probs could lose his sponsors.Idiot.Unless he's thinking of quitting YT and moving into something else and he wanted to go out in style.
Can't see why else he'd want to **** his channel up.

Shaun
14-03-2017, 01:51 PM
Perhaps stop giving YouTubers a platform.

DemolitionRed
14-03-2017, 01:51 PM
And JonTron is second generation Iranian!

Thanks Withano.

Niamh.
14-03-2017, 01:56 PM
And JonTron is second generation Iranian!

Thanks Withano.

ffs I thought he wanted white Europeans only though? :laugh:

user104658
14-03-2017, 01:57 PM
ffs I thought he wanted white Europeans only though? :laugh:

Kirk tease tbh

Northern Monkey
14-03-2017, 02:26 PM
Perhaps stop giving YouTubers a platform.

But.....


Then they wouldn't be YouTubers:laugh:

user104658
14-03-2017, 02:34 PM
Perhaps stop giving YouTubers a platform.

I think you might have missed the fundamental point of YouTube there...

Withano
14-03-2017, 08:30 PM
And JonTron is second generation Iranian!

Thanks Withano. ffs I thought he wanted white Europeans only though? :laugh:

Wow, bolding everything apart from the 'thanks withano' bit

Shady, Niamh, so shady.

Niamh.
14-03-2017, 08:33 PM
Wow, bolding everything apart from the 'thanks withano' bit

Shady, Niamh, so shady.
:laugh2:

Brillopad
15-03-2017, 09:23 AM
Full video:
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Gizmodo (Not the best source, but none of the big media have picked it up yet)

Previously people were able to seperate Jon from these views when he defended Trump, that's just a political difference, but Jon delves into some really bad racist stuff in the debate, a lot of his fans are turning their back on him this time.

Sounds very one-sided - the usual racist rant against anyone who expresses concerns regarding mass immigration. A vicious attempt to undermine his opinions and possibly twist his words.

You say yourself it wasn't the best source and I personally would reserve judgement based on that alone.

Withano
15-03-2017, 10:25 AM
Sounds very one-sided - the usual racist rant against anyone who expresses concerns regarding mass immigration. A vicious attempt to undermine his opinions and possibly twist his words.

You say yourself it wasn't the best source and I personally would reserve judgement based on that alone.

Well watch the video then? The article was entirely accurate, and actually, consisted of mostly direct quotes. If you think it must be a biased source cos it makes him sound like a dick, without realising that he sounds that way because of the article is full of his quotes, then you actually agree with everybody else in the thread. The guys is a dick.

You would know this if you watched the vid.

Livia
15-03-2017, 10:27 AM
He's got a right to his opinions. Once he puts those opinions out there though, he invites comment. And he must have known what would happen...

Niamh.
15-03-2017, 10:29 AM
He's got a right to his opinions. Once he puts those opinions out there though, he invites comment. And he must have known what would happen...

I guess these youtubers need shock value to keep them relevant or some s**t

Livia
15-03-2017, 10:35 AM
I guess these youtubers need shock value to keep them relevant or some s**t

They need a kick up the arse, most of them.

Niamh.
15-03-2017, 10:50 AM
They need a kick up the arse, most of them.

I know, my daughter paid £20 for Dan & Phil (some youtubers) book and I swear it was the biggest load of rubbish, they didn't even try to write a book, it was full of crap like how to draw cat whiskers on your face :worry: Thankfully she's come out of that phase now

Northern Monkey
15-03-2017, 11:09 AM
Imo there is no way a big monetised Youtuber with sponsors would not know exactly what would happen if he put these views out.It has to be planned imo.Unless he is just ridiculously stupid.

Tom4784
15-03-2017, 01:00 PM
Sounds very one-sided - the usual racist rant against anyone who expresses concerns regarding mass immigration. A vicious attempt to undermine his opinions and possibly twist his words.

You say yourself it wasn't the best source and I personally would reserve judgement based on that alone.

The quotes are there in print and on the video. It seems a bit odd to be more offended about the accusation of racism and not the obviously racist things he said

Scarlett.
20-03-2017, 02:53 AM
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Withano
20-03-2017, 03:02 AM
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At least he tried i suppose

"I didnt eloquently explain my point, but youre all stupid for not knowing this, oh, and btw, backpeddle denial backpeddle"

Scarlett.
20-03-2017, 03:21 AM
Yeah, it didn't even feel like an apology, its like, Jon, you said some really messed up **** and now you're just doubling down on it.

user104658
20-03-2017, 08:17 AM
I think a lot of it is unfortunately him being young, not all that clever, quite defensive, and parroting the words of others. In the majority of the video it felt like he was just rattling off the opinions of other people, that he had read elsewhere. Maybe those opinions resonated with him but at the end of the day, they weren't the product of his own thought process, so he didn't really have full understanding of what he was saying and also tied himself in knots trying to debate the position.