boob enhancements on the nhs

[the truth]

These are often supplied on the nhs

is this right? is it wrong or ok as it helps her career
or is it all the daily mails fault

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-4292850/Boob-job-scrounger-Josie-Cunningham-boasts-new-sugar-daddy.html

[arista]

No its not the DM fault

And that funding must Stop.

[Brillopad]

These are often supplied on the nhs

is this right? is it wrong or ok as it helps her career
or is it all the daily mails fault

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-4292850/Boob-job-scrounger-Josie-Cunningham-boasts-new-sugar-daddy.html

I don't think they are anymore. The only people who should get them under the NHS are those who have had breast cancer and require reconstructive surgery.

Stupid girls looking for more male attention who claim insecurity and mental health affects due to poor self-image, based on the size of their boobs, should not.

Grow a pair and understand what qualities really make them attractive - it has nothing to do with the size of their boobs.

[Vicky.]

They should only be funded if its for reconstructive surgery after mastectomies and such IMO. Its ridiculous that people could get them for other reasons.

My mother didn't want a reconstitution after her masectomy...she wanted the other breast off (as there was a huge chance it could come back in the other one, so preventative measure aswell as aesthetic) and they wouldn't do it. It was reconstruction or nothing. So she had to go private.

[jaxie]

I don't think any cosmetic surgery is appropriate on the NHS unless it is to reconstruct after accident or illness. It isn't there to mess around with the size of your bosoms.

[smudgie]

Medical reasons only.
Women with oversized breasts that suffer with back pain struggle to get help.

[DemolitionRed]

What I don't understand is, my sister and her husband have recently been informed by the NHS that getting breast implants for cosmetic reasons (for their daughter) may well be rejected and that my niece may have a battle ahead of her.

My niece has just reached an age where she is body conscious but because she lost her pituitary gland through a brain tumour, she hasn't produced the natural hormones to make her grow or her body develop like a woman. Synthetic hormones have made her grow and made her feel like a young woman but she's still totally flat chested and has boyish hips. Now that she feels like a woman, something she wouldn't feel without these synthetic hormones, she's become very self conscious. She has been told that once she's considered 'fully developed' they may consider breast implants on the NHS but she would have to go through at least a year of therapy about her mental state prior to surgery ever being considered.

Her parents have now told her that they will pay for her to go privately when the time is right, because they don't want make her beg the NHS for something that surely she should be offered on the NHS?

There are definitely exceptions for this procedure to be carried out by the NHS, but it seems that depending on which part of the country you live in, you will be treated differently.

[DemolitionRed]

Medical reasons only.
Women with oversized breasts that suffer with back pain struggle to get help.

Yes that's true and by the time they are accepted for a reduction, damage to the spine is already a problem.

[Vicky.]

Medical reasons only.
Women with oversized breasts that suffer with back pain struggle to get help.

Yes, for some reason funding is fine to make them bigger. But make them smaller...no chance.

Hmm :think:

[smudgie]

What I don't understand is, my sister and her husband have recently been informed by the NHS that getting breast implants for cosmetic reasons (for their daughter) may well be rejected and that my niece may have a battle ahead of her.

My niece has just reached an age where she is body conscious but because she lost her pituitary gland through a brain tumour, she hasn't produced the natural hormones to make her grow or her body develop like a woman. Synthetic hormones have made her grow and made her feel like a young woman but she's still totally flat chested and has boyish hips. Now that she feels like a woman, something she wouldn't feel without these synthetic hormones, she's become very self conscious. She has been told that once she's considered 'fully developed' they may consider breast implants on the NHS but she would have to go through at least a year of therapy about her mental state prior to surgery ever being considered.

Her parents have now told her that they will pay for her to go privately when the time is right, because they don't want make her beg the NHS for something that surely she should be offered to to her on the NHS?

There are definitely exceptions for this procedure to be carried out by the NHS, but it seems that depending on which part of the country you live in, you will be treated differently.

I would say her case is medical, hardly cosmetic.

[Alf]

A message to Women

Us guys like a real set of boobs, and think that fake, plastic ones look ugly.

Don't do it to yourselves, you look good the way you are, natural.

[Brillopad]

What I don't understand is, my sister and her husband have recently been informed by the NHS that getting breast implants for cosmetic reasons (for their daughter) may well be rejected and that my niece may have a battle ahead of her.

My niece has just reached an age where she is body conscious but because she lost her pituitary gland through a brain tumour, she hasn't produced the natural hormones to make her grow or her body develop like a woman. Synthetic hormones have made her grow and made her feel like a young woman but she's still totally flat chested and has boyish hips. Now that she feels like a woman, something she wouldn't feel without these synthetic hormones, she's become very self conscious. She has been told that once she's considered 'fully developed' they may consider breast implants on the NHS but she would have to go through at least a year of therapy about her mental state prior to surgery ever being considered.

Her parents have now told her that they will pay for her to go privately when the time is right, because they don't want make her beg the NHS for something that surely she should be offered to to her on the NHS?

There are definitely exceptions for this procedure to be carried out by the NHS, but it seems that depending on which part of the country you live in, you will be treated differently.

I do feel it is more important to encourage our young women to value themselves as women regardless of shape. Many women are naturally flat-chested but it shouldn't affected how they view themselves as women. Over-sized, top-heavy boobs are ugly.

Anyone who judges a woman's attractiveness purely on the size of her mammary glands is surely not worth worrying about. There is far more to a woman than that. Personally I do not view this as disfigurement like losing a breast through illness and don't feel it should qualify for NHS treatment.

[Northern Monkey]

The more boobs the better imo.If some women are lacking and want to improve their chesticles then i don't mind contributing.

[Kizzy]

I do feel it is more important to encourage our young women to value themselves as women regardless of shape. Many women are naturally flat-chested but it shouldn't affected how they view themselves as women. Over-sized, top-heavy boobs are ugly.

Anyone who judges a woman's attractiveness purely on the size of her mammary glands is surely not worth worrying about. There is far more to a woman than that. Personally I do not view this as disfigurement like losing a breast through illness and don't feel it should qualify for NHS treatment.

:shrug:

[Vicky.]

:shrug:

TBF natural large boobs wouldn't be top heavy. I think what brillo was getting at was the oversized football right under your neck type fake ones.

[Brillopad]

:shrug:

Because they look unnatural and unbalanced. They also indicate a lack of confidence in themselves as well as superficial values which can be unattractive.

They can also pose health problems in the future.

[Kizzy]

Because they look unnatural and unbalanced. They also indicate a lack of confidence in themselves as well as superficial values which can be unattractive.

They can also pose health problems in the future.

You're judging though... can you not see how it makes your post a tad hypocritical?

[Brillopad]

You're judging though... can you not see how it makes your post a tad hypocritical?

I simply believe that being flat-chested is not unattractive. I have seen many stunningly attractive, feminine flat-chested women and many less attractive large breasted women.

My point being it is not the size of their breasts that determine their femininity or attractiveness. They are not disfigured and should not get what would amount to cosmetic surgery on a cash-strapped NHS.

Do you not believe women should be valued for who they are - not on the size of one part of their body?

[DemolitionRed]

I do feel it is more important to encourage our young women to value themselves as women regardless of shape. Many women are naturally flat-chested but it shouldn't affected how they view themselves as women. Over-sized, top-heavy boobs are ugly.

Anyone who judges a woman's attractiveness purely on the size of her mammary glands is surely not worth worrying about. There is far more to a woman than that. Personally I do not view this as disfigurement like losing a breast through illness and don't feel it should qualify for NHS treatment.

Oh I agree. My husband gets so frustrated with how women are brainwashed into believing beauty and femininity is only skin deep. The problem is, we are brought up with this, it may as well be implanted into our DNA.

I do though, believe that a girl who has grown up with so much illness should have that choice. She told her mum recently that she wished they'd never given her female hormone treatment as its ruined her life. Its not like she's looking for a cleavage; she'd be happy with a 32a.

[Brillopad]

Oh I agree. My husband gets so frustrated with how women are brainwashed into believing beauty and femininity is only skin deep. The problem is, we are brought up with this, it may as well be implanted into our DNA.

I do though, believe that a girl who has grown up with so much illness should have that choice. She told her mum recently that she wished they'd never given her female hormone treatment as its ruined her life. Its not like she's looking for a cleavage; she'd be happy with a 32a.

Sorry I don't mean to undermine your neice's situation in any way but I imagine she is probably lovely as she is. She is still young and vulnerable and probably feeling unattractive because of all she has been through but I am not convinced breast surgery would be the answer. If she still feels the same way in a few years maybe the situation could be Reviewed.

[Kizzy]

I simply believe that being flat-chested is not unattractive. I have seen many stunningly attractive, feminine flat-chested women and many less attractive large breasted women.

My point being it is not the size of their breasts that determine their femininity or attractiveness. They are not disfigured and should not get what would amount to cosmetic surgery on a cash-strapped NHS.

Do you not believe women should be valued for who they are - not on the size of one part of their body?

Of course I do, that said I'm a bit lost with your face/ body attractiveness scale.

Would it be more acceptable to request facial surgery if you didn't consider yourself attractive?

Personally I wouldn't expect the NHS to put people forward for invasive surgery on a whim.

[Brillopad]

Of course I do, that said I'm a bit lost with your face/ body attractiveness scale.

Would it be more acceptable to request facial surgery if you didn't consider yourself attractive?

Personally I wouldn't expect the NHS to put people forward for invasive surgery on a whim.

Neither would I. Breast surgery in particular is a booming industry and preys on young womens' natural insecurity. When did I say anything about facial attractiveness, there are many things that effect attractiveness in women and men. Boob size has little to do with it - perhaps only in the minds of superficial men and insecure young women.

[Kazanne]

I don't think they are anymore. The only people who should get them under the NHS are those who have had breast cancer and require reconstructive surgery.

Stupid girls looking for more male attention who claim insecurity and mental health affects due to poor self-image, based on the size of their boobs, should not.

Grow a pair and understand what qualities really make them attractive - it has nothing to do with the size of their boobs.

100% agree .

[Kizzy]

Neither would I. Breast surgery in particular is a booming industry and preys on young womens' natural insecurity. When did I say anything about facial attractiveness, there are many things that effect attractiveness in women and men. Boob size has little to do with it - perhaps only in the minds of superficial men and insecure young women.

'I have seen many stunningly attractive, feminine flat-chested women and many less attractive large breasted women.'

[Brillopad]

'I have seen many stunningly attractive, feminine flat-chested women and many less attractive large breasted women.'

Yes, but the point I was making was that there were other things that contributed to their attractiveness - not boob size.

[Kizzy]

Yes, but the point I was making was that there were other things that contributed to their attractiveness - not boob size.

So as long as their face is conventionally attractive they should be content, to hell with how they feel about any other aspect of themselves?

Ugly flat chested women are really screwed then :/

[Brillopad]

So as long as their face is conventionally attractive they should be content, to hell with how they feel about any other aspect of themselves?

Ugly flat chested women are really screwed then :/

I never said anything about faces. I was talking about overall attractiveness such as how they carry themselves i.e. self-confidence, femininity, intelligence. Boobs are not the issue and neither are faces. You are the one who mentioned faces, not me. You are being deliberately obtuse.

[Kizzy]

I never said anything about faces. I was talking about overall attractiveness such as how they carry themselves i.e. self-confidence, femininity, intelligence. Boobs are not the issue and neither are faces. You are the one who mentioned faces, not me. You are being deliberately obtuse.
You can't see intelligence though can you?...

'I have seen many stunningly attractive, feminine flat-chested women and many less attractive large breasted women.'
I'm not being obtuse... you are the one fudging the issue here.

[Brillopad]

You can't see intelligence though can you?...

'I have seen many stunningly attractive, feminine flat-chested women and many less attractive large breasted women.'
I'm not being obtuse... you are the one fudging the issue here.

You can't get a pretty good idea of someone's intelligence by the way they carry themselves or their conversation. Really!

You are really missing the point as that sentence is simply saying that flat chested women can be stunning and large chested women unattractive - there are other factors that make the difference - not chest size.

[Kizzy]

You can't get a pretty good idea of someone's intelligence by the way they carry themselves or their conversation. Really!

You are really missing the point as that sentence is simply saying that flat chested women can be stunning and large chested women unattractive - there are other factors that make the difference - not chest size.

So now you've had a good convo with all these women prior to your judgement?...ok, I think we'll leave that there.

I n my opinion you are missing the point by presuming what other people think is a factor at all, it's how these women feel about themselves that's the issue, what you or I or anyone else feels is irrelevant.

[Brillopad]

So now you've had a good convo with all these women prior to your judgement?...ok, I think we'll leave that there.

I n my opinion you are missing the point by presuming what other people think is a factor at all, it's how these women feel about themselves that's the issue, what you or I or anyone else feels is irrelevant.

It's not irrelevant when a certain element of society i.e. The media pressurise women to look a certain way to be 'attractive'. People would have to be deaf, dumb and blind not to see the connection.

[Kizzy]

It's not irrelevant when a certain element of society i.e. The media pressurise women to look a certain way to be 'attractive'. People would have to be deaf, dumb and blind not to see the connection.

Bit like being 'feminine' or 'intelligent' to be considered attractive, if you are neither are you any less of a woman? no.
When women stop putting pressure on each other the media might catch up.

[the truth]

proper natural dd's flop sideways and change shape quite majestically....they dance on your fingertips like jello at springtime

[Niamh.]

proper natural dd's flop sideways and change shape quite majestically....they dance on your fingertips like jello at springtime
Thats very poetic [emoji23]

[Vicky.]

proper natural dd's flop sideways and change shape quite majestically....they dance on your fingertips like jello at springtime

Try natural FFs. I call mine armpit warmers when I lay on my back :laugh:

My husband actually amuses himself for ages just poking them and watching :laugh:

[Brillopad]

Try natural FFs. I call mine armpit warmers when I lay on my back :laugh:

My husband actually amuseds himself for ages just poking them and watching :laugh:

:joker::joker:

[jennyjuniper]

These are often supplied on the nhs

is this right? is it wrong or ok as it helps her career
or is it all the daily mails fault

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-4292850/Boob-job-scrounger-Josie-Cunningham-boasts-new-sugar-daddy.html

No it's totally wrong. When people have to wait for treatment for serious illnesses, breast enhancement should be way down the list of priorities. In fact it shouldn't even be considered at all.

[Withano]

I havent read the article. Had a long day and cba for daily mail. In my experience, boob jobs have only been giving to those who are suffering with depressive tendencies as a direct result of their boobs. And this is fine to do in my opinion.

[Withano]

Over-sized, top-heavy boobs are ugly.

Anyone who judges a woman's attractiveness purely on the size of her mammary glands is surely not worth worrying about. .

I feel like you just must wander about walking into walls

[Brillopad]

I feel like you just must wander about walking into walls

I feel you could identify with that.

[Withano]

I feel you could identify with that.

I know you are but what am I
Good one

[the truth]

I know you are but what am I
Good one

that doesnt make sense

[Brillopad]

that doesnt make sense

He rarely makes much sense. :laugh:

[Livia]

You know a better way to enhance your career and also have some longevity in it? Get some qualifications. And you will have to pay for them... in the same way that if you want comedy tits, pay for them yourself. And if you're depressed over them, get some talking therapy.

Of course, like everyone I imagine, I am in favour of breast reconstruction following cancer or other illness or injury.

[Cherie]

I think this might have happened in the past but as stretched as the NHS is now (pardon the pun :hehe:) I doubt it happens very often.

Women have managed to live for centuries with different sized breasts and bottoms. If you really do need to change your appearance pay for it yourself unless as above its after an illness or accident etc.

[the truth]

there are finite resources in the nhs.....for every £5000 spent on a plastic breast, thats £5000 less available to spend on saving lives.

[Cherie]

there are finite resources in the nhs.....for every £5000 spent on a plastic breast, thats £5000 less available to spend on saving lives.

what is your stance on breast reconstruction after a mastectomy?

[the truth]

what is your stance on breast reconstruction after a mastectomy?

hmmm thats a tougher call...If it is a relatively small number of people maybe its affordable....put simply people who are seriously ill and need to treatment to get better are top priority ....we have to respect public money and realise every pound and penny has the potential to save or lose a life

[iloveaisleyne]

If men are so offended by women resorting to breast augmentation then maybe they should stop belittling those with flat chests...

[Brillopad]

If men are so offended by women resorting to breast augmentation then maybe they should stop belittling those with flat chests...

I totally agree with that - but I also feel women should take some responsibility in this. Some women are so needy and spend their whole time trying to be what they think men want them to be. They usually get it wrong.

The type of men who judge women on that are not likely to be that interesting and trying to please men all the time smacks of desperation which puts them off.

Women should just be themselves, be confident and just take care of themselves. There is more to life in my opinion.

[the truth]

If men are so offended by women resorting to breast augmentation then maybe they should stop belittling those with flat chests...

|Women put more pressure on other women, than any man does
Also lots of women, especially in the media mock mens penises, thats always fair game
flat chest is fine, emma willis has a flat chest shes stunning anyway

[Vicky.]

I don't think its fair to lay the blame on men tbh. I have yet to hear a man say he prefers plastic tits to real ones. The pressure to look 'good' tends to come from other women and magazines with unrealistic 'beauty' standards.

[Brillopad]

I don't think its fair to lay the blame on men tbh. I have yet to hear a man say he prefers plastic tits to real ones. The pressure to look 'good' tends to come from other women and magazines with unrealistic 'beauty' standards.

I disagree. The porn and glamour model industries which are very male dominated are full of women who have had boob jobs. They all seem to say they get them done to get work. Men make it and men pay for it and that is what they seem to want.

I think dosy women who have no other aspirations in life and sleazy men are the culprits.

[Withano]

Over-sized, top-heavy boobs are ugly.
.

Its people who say things like this, (or the complete opposite) who are causing body issues in young women in my opinion. Anti-feminist types.. It happens in magazines, and in pornography, but I think most people with body issues have probably had somebody personally telling them something like this, obviously this effect will be magnified by young women reading stuff like this over the internet.

But the truth is, there will always be young women who will have naturally above average or below average sized chests. And there will always be people, like this user, telling them that they are abnormal. If they get depressed because of people like this, and believe a boob job will make them feel better - then I'm personally all for it. Its a much shorter solution than trying to gather all the negative anti-feminist types and asking them to change their ways and much more cost-effective than providing therapy which I saw somebody suggest.

[Brillopad]

Its people who say things like this, (or the complete opposite) who are causing body issues in young women in my opinion. Anti-feminist types.. It happens in magazines, and in pornography, but I think most people with body issues have probably had somebody personally telling them something like this, obviously this effect will be magnified by young women reading stuff like this over the internet.

But the truth is, there will always be young women who will have naturally abover average or below average sized chests. And there will always be people, like this user, telling them that they are abnormal. If they get depressed because of people like this, and believe a boob job will make them feel better - then I'm personally all for it. Its a much shorter solution than trying to gather all the negative anti-feminist types and asking them to change their ways.

Ffs I was saying it in relation to this obsession so many young women today have with big fake boobs - why, when they don't even look good when so big. They are often out of proportion with the rest of them, will cause health problems in the future and just make them look desperate. They should like themselves the way the are - there is nothing wrong or unattractive about small boobs, what is wrong with that.

No one is criticising women with natural big boobs. It is the obsession with fake ones we are discussing.

[Withano]

Ffs I was saying it in relation to this obsession so many young women today have with big fake boobs - why, when they don't even look good when so big. They are often out of proportion with the rest of them, will cause health problems in the future and just make them look desperate. They should like themselves the way the are - there is nothing wrong or unattractive about small boobs, what is wrong with that.

No one is criticising women with natural big boobs. It is the obsession with fake ones we are discussing.

Thats less encouraging that youre presuming it is. Lot of young women feel as if their natural boobs are not in proportion with the rest of their body, and youre still suggesting that slimmer women with larger boobs look desperate (although credit where its due, you havent criticised unnatural looking boobs both ways, just the one). Youre literally still encouraging body issues. And many others do too, and these people, in my opinion, are the main issue.

[Brillopad]

Its people who say things like this, (or the complete opposite) who are causing body issues in young women in my opinion. Anti-feminist types.. It happens in magazines, and in pornography, but I think most people with body issues have probably had somebody personally telling them something like this, obviously this effect will be magnified by young women reading stuff like this over the internet.

But the truth is, there will always be young women who will have naturally above average or below average sized chests. And there will always be people, like this user, telling them that they are abnormal. If they get depressed because of people like this, and believe a boob job will make them feel better - then I'm personally all for it. Its a much shorter solution than trying to gather all the negative anti-feminist types and asking them to change their ways and much more cost-effective than providing therapy which I saw somebody suggest.

Quick fixes are the worst thing they can do. The women you mention have psychological issues that actually have nothing to do with their boobs. They just think big boobs will solve all their problems - they won't.

[Withano]

Quick fixes are the worst thing they can do. The women you mention have psychological issues that actually have nothing to do with their boobs. They just think big boobs will solve all their problems - they won't.

It will instantly stop the negative body feedback that they were used to getting, so I cant imagine thats entirely true. Although, presumably people like you would give them new negative feeback (if they go too large)? So perhaps youre right

[Brillopad]

It will instantly stop the negative body feedback that they were used to getting, so I cant imagine thats entirely true. Although, presumably people like you would give them new negative feeback (if they go too large)? So perhaps youre right

You're missing the point, having unecessary surgery to improve a psychological issue is madness. It will only have a short-term effect and then the mental problems the woman has will still be there. She will have paid that money for nothing not to mention put her body through an unecessary medical procedure.

No surgery is without risk either. Something could go wrong and she could either end up deformed or scarred or even potentially lose her life.

Her boobs are not her problem it is her mind.

[Withano]

You're missing the point, having unecessary surgery to improve a psychological issue is madness. It will only have a short-term effect and then the mental problems the woman has will still be there. She will have paid that money for nothing not to mention put her body through an unecessary medical procedure.

No surgery is without risk either. Something could go wrong and she could either end up deformed or scarred or even potentially lose her life.

Her boobs are not her problem it is her mind.

So whats the solution, people like you, who bodyshame others based on their breasts have caused many people to become depressed, there is no sign of this ever stopping. Where should they go?

[Brillopad]

So whats the solution, people like you, who bodyshame others based on their breasts have caused many people to become depressed, there is no sign of this ever stopping. Where should they go?

I don't bodyshame anyone. You don't sound as though you care much about why women don't value themselves as they are - your solution is to just dish out the boob jobs conveyor belt style. I wonder why.

[Withano]

I don't bodyshame anyone. You don't sound as though you care much about why women don't value themselves as they are - your solution is to just dish out the boob jobs conveyor belt style. I wonder why.

You've been bodyshaming those who have a disproportionate waist to chest ratio throughout this thread. Probably because youre anti-feminist or sumin, idk.

Not particularly relevant though, what should people that become clinically depressed by bodyshamers do next in your opinion? Youve only made suggestions on what they shouldnt do. Obviously this isnt helpful.

[Toy Soldier]

I disagree. The porn and glamour model industries which are very male dominated are full of women who have had boob jobs. They all seem to say they get them done to get work. Men make it and men pay for it and that is what they seem to want.

I think dosy women who have no other aspirations in life and sleazy men are the culprits.
Even that seems to be an issue with the industry, though. "Amateur style" porn and live cams are far more popular these days than "glossy" porn if you look at the stats, and it's all about looking "real".

I'm not saying that side of the industry is any better... If anything, the women involved are often even more mistreated, which may be part of why many "gloss up", get implants and try to move into Hollywood porn where the women earn far more than the men.

The whole industry is pretty dark and exploitative but, my only point really, is that the people WATCHING it seem to be more inclined to want to see "real bodies" which would suggest that men, in general, prefer real to fake.

[LaLaLand]

I know someone who had a boob job, tummy tuck and a nose job on the NHS for purely cosmetic reasons because their appearance made her feel "low".

I don't agree with it but know it goes on.

[the truth]

yet another disgusting by product of radical feminism

[jennyjuniper]

Thats less encouraging that youre presuming it is. Lot of young women feel as if their natural boobs are not in proportion with the rest of their body, and youre still suggesting that slimmer women with larger boobs look desperate (although credit where its due, you havent criticised unnatural looking boobs both ways, just the one). Youre literally still encouraging body issues. And many others do too, and these people, in my opinion, are the main issue.

So in your opinion anyone with an issue with their body should be able to get NHS funding for whatever they feel is wrong about themselves? I can hear the NHS grinding to a halt at the thought of it.
Not all who seek help with breast size are ego driven or feel that it will grant them instant sex appeal, but many do. If it is so important to these people, then let them save up and pay for it themselves, while the NHS does the job it was intended for, which is saving lives.

[jennyjuniper]

You're missing the point, having unecessary surgery to improve a psychological issue is madness. It will only have a short-term effect and then the mental problems the woman has will still be there. She will have paid that money for nothing not to mention put her body through an unecessary medical procedure.

No surgery is without risk either. Something could go wrong and she could either end up deformed or scarred or even potentially lose her life.

Her boobs are not her problem it is her mind.

I totally agree with this. Real women value themselves for who they are, not the size of their boobs.

[Withano]

So in your opinion anyone with an issue with their body should be able to get NHS funding for whatever they feel is wrong about themselves? I can hear the NHS grinding to a halt at the thought of it.
Not all who seek help with breast size are ego driven or feel that it will grant them instant sex appeal, but many do. If it is so important to these people, then let them save up and pay for it themselves, while the NHS does the job it was intended for, which is saving lives.

People are always gonna have disproportionate chests to their body, and people will always criticise this, this will always create depression in some people.
Im more asking for a solution, do you have one? You are also, like Brillo, suggesting things that clinically depressed women should not do, without suggesting anything that they should do.
This is incredibly simplistic and narrow-minded. Please complete your argument.
What should a clinically depressed woman do next, if not surgery.

[Brillopad]

People are always gonna have disproportionate chests to their body, and people will always criticise this, this will always create depression in some people.
Im more asking for a solution, do you have one? You are also suggesting things that clinically depressed women should not do, without suggesting anything that they should do.
What should a clinically depressed woman do next, if not surgery.

Isn't it obvious - see a shrink.

[Withano]

Isn't it obvious - see a shrink.

One, thats more costly on the NHS than surgery is, so that also defeats your point
Two, if they are clinically depressed, they likely already have.
Next suggestion.

[Brillopad]

People are always gonna have disproportionate chests to their body, and people will always criticise this, this will always create depression in some people.
Im more asking for a solution, do you have one? You are also, like Brillo, suggesting things that clinically depressed women should not do, without suggesting anything that they should do.
This is incredibly simplistic and narrow-minded. Please complete your argument.
What should a clinically depressed woman do next, if not surgery.

Answer this then - who should get priority on the NHS a woman insecure about her appearance or someone who needs life-saving surgery. There is not enough money for both. Many women feel insecure about their appearance during their life but they get past it, they do not resort to surgery.

She either sees a doctor about her depression (it is unlikely she would be clinically depressed, less hysteria please) and/or she saves hard or gets a bank loan/payment plan to get it done if that important to her. Such a case is NOT deserving of limited NHS funding.

[Withano]

Answer this then - who should get priority on the NHS a woman insecure about her appearance or someone who needs life-saving surgery. There is not enough money for both. Many women feel insecure about their appearance during their life but they get past it, they do not resort to surgery.

She either sees a doctor about her depression (it is unlikely she would be clinically depressed, less hysteria please) and/or she saves hard or gets a bank loan/payment plan to get it done if that important to her. Such a case is NOT deserving of limited NHS funding.

I'm sorry, I dont see the point in answering a hypothetical question. Thats not helpful to the discussion or any of the clinically depressed (google that phrase before your next post) young women, who are this way, because people (like you) continue to bodyshame based on the size of their chest.

Short story is - people like you will always criticise others on their hody
This will always cause depression
Depression is real, and something that the NHS does and should always deal with
The only suggestion you have given for these sufferers is more costly on the NHS
And Id refer you back to my original point

[Brillopad]

I'm sorry, I dont see the point in answering a hypothetical question. Thats not helpful to the discussion or any of the clinically depressed (google that phrase before your next post) young women, who are this way, because people (like you) continue to bodyshame based on the size of their chest.

Short story is - people like you will always criticise others on their hody
This will always cause depression
Depression is real, and something that the NHS does and should always deal with
And Id refer you back to my original point

I find your comments irresponsible. Do you understand the difference between a poor body image/mild depression and clinical depression. Advising a woman who was clinically depressed to have a boob job as the answer to her problems would be gross misconduct if you were a medical professional - it would be like putting a sticking plaster on a shot gun wound.

Someone with clinical depression needs expert psychological help whereas someone thinking big boobs will get them more male attention or more work can damn well pay for them themselves or maybe get some sucker to pay for them for them.

The Hugh increase in women getting boob jobs these days is not about clinical depression it's about attention. Boob jobs, Botox and the resulting trout pouts and liposuction are all a quick fix for vain women too lazy to work hard at improving their appearance in safer, more natural ways.

Surgery has become almost as common today as wearing make-up. If women want it it they pay for it and I think you would find that by far the majority of people would agree with that. NHS treatment is not there to finance women's insecurities and vanity.

[Withano]

I find your comments irresponsible. Do you understand the difference between a poor body image/mild depression and clinical depression. Advising a woman who was clinically depressed to have a boob job as the answer to her problems would be gross misconduct if you were a medical professional - it would be like putting a sticking plaster on a shot gun wound.

Someone with clinical depression needs expert psychological help whereas someone thinking big boobs will get them more male attention or more work can damn well pay for them themselves or maybe get some sucker to pay for them for them.

The Hugh increase in women getting boob jobs these days is not about clinical depression it's about attention. Boob jobs, Botox and the resulting trout pouts and liposuction are all a quick fix for vain women too lazy to work hard at improving their appearance in safer, more natural ways.

Surgery has become almost as common today as wearing make-up. If women want it it they pay for it and I think you would find that by far the majority of people would agree with that. NHS treatment is not there to finance women's insecurities and vanity.

If they are clinically depressed, they have likely gone through therapeutic treatment, if the NHS are suggesting surgery, it was probably unsuccessful. Christ, it must be so easy for you with naturally proportionate boobs, throwing insults at those that dont, and then throw about suggestions on how they should live heir life after making them feel less about themselves in the first place.

You are literally being the problem and fighting against a solution at the same time. Awful. Claiming that clinically depressed women want attention, after bodyshamers (like you) have made them be this way is just awful.

If i gave you the impression that I'm against therapy, I'm not by the way. But it isnt an end-all solution, it is regularly unsuccessful, and rarely free, the sufferers would likely pay to be there, unless they are part of psychological research. If sufferers come out of therapy still depressed and if the sufferer and the NHS believe that surgery will stop, or mimimise that (obviously they both do, or this discussion wouldnt exist) then i am all for that. Why you want these sufferers to remain depressed indefinitely is beyond me.

[Brillopad]

If they are clinically depressed, they have likely gone through therapeutic treatment, if the NHS are suggesting surgery, it was probably unsuccessful. Christ, it must be so easy for you with naturally proportionate boobs, throwing insults at those that dont, and then throw about suggestions on how they should live heir life after making them feel less about themselves in the first place.

You are literally being the problem and fighting against a solution at the same time. Awful. Claiming that clinically depressed women want attention, after bodyshamers (like you) have made them be this way is just awful.

If i gave you the impression that I'm against therapy, I'm not by the way. But it isnt an end-all solution, it is regularly unsuccessful, and rarely free, the sufferers would likely pay to be there, unless they are part of psychological research. If sufferers come out of therapy still depressed and if the sufferer and the NHS believe that surgery will stop, or mimimise that (obviously they both do, or this discussion wouldnt exist) then i am all for that. Why you want these sufferers to remain depressed indefinitely is beyond me.

I don't think you understand how short of money the NHS is. People are having operations cancelled and people are not receiving certain medications that are vital to the treatment of their condition because it is too expensive - people's lives are at risk because of a lack of money but you want to fund boob jobs for vain women. If a woman is genuinely depressed she needs proper treatment for what is an illness not a boob job.

I'm done now because your reasoning is unreasonable.

[Livia]

If someone's clinically depressed the chances are that surgery won't help them in the long run. It's like obese people who think that getting a gastric band will make them slim and consequently their life will be better. It won't be. Your life will be the same because you'll be the same person with the same problems but you'll be thinner. Similarly with breast implants; sewing little bags of silicon into your body will not help your long-term mental illness, you will be the same person with the same problems but with bigger tits. If therapy hasn't worked, it's the wrong therapy or the wrong therapist.

People who have much bigger problems than self-image benefit from psychiatric help rather than invasive surgery.

[Withano]

I don't think you understand how short of money the NHS is. People are having operations cancelled and people are not receiving certain medications that are vital to the treatment of their condition because it is too expensive - people's lives are at risk because of a lack of money but you want to fund boob jobs for vain women. If a woman is genuinely depressed she needs proper treatment for what is an illness not a boob job.

I'm done now because your reasoning is unreasonable.

NHS will always provide expenditure towards depressive patients, for they are a health service, and depressive tendencies are a prominent health concern in the UK.
It sounds like, to me, your main argument is that too much money is going on depressive patients. Its a bit of a dark discussion, I would not like to have that debate with you.

[Brillopad]

NHS will always provide expenditure towards depressive patients, for they are a health service, and depressive tendencies are a prominent health concern in the UK.
It sounds like, to me, your main argument is that too much money is going on depressive patients. Its a bit of a dark discussion, I would not like to have that debate with you.

Treatment for depression, yes. Boobs jobs are not appropriate treatment for depression. Jesus.

[jennyjuniper]

NHS will always provide expenditure towards depressive patients, for they are a health service, and depressive tendencies are a prominent health concern in the UK.
It sounds like, to me, your main argument is that too much money is going on depressive patients. Its a bit of a dark discussion, I would not like to have that debate with you.

Have you read Livia's post above? She addresses the issue of depressive tendancies very succinctly.

[jennyjuniper]

People are always gonna have disproportionate chests to their body, and people will always criticise this, this will always create depression in some people.
Im more asking for a solution, do you have one? You are also, like Brillo, suggesting things that clinically depressed women should not do, without suggesting anything that they should do.
This is incredibly simplistic and narrow-minded. Please complete your argument.
What should a clinically depressed woman do next, if not surgery.

My solution iwould be to campaign to change society's perception of what 'beauty' means. Instead of going along with the idea that 'beauty' is fake boobs, fake butts, duck pouts etc., By you saying 'Let them have boob jobs' you are just feeding into this unrealistic and totally fake idea of beauty.
As for the solution to people becoming depressed because other people may or may not make comments about their chest size, there isn't one. People have to learn not to care what other people think.

[Withano]

Treatment for depression, yes. Boobs jobs are not appropriate treatment for depression. Jesus.

But as a last resort, nobody has came up with a better alternative. Just a lot of 'your issues are not important so shh'. Obviously thats less helpful than surgery.

[Withano]

My solution iwould be to campaign to change society's perception of what 'beauty' means. Instead of going along with the idea that 'beauty' is fake boobs, fake butts, duck pouts etc., By you saying 'Let them have boob jobs' you are just feeding into this unrealistic and totally fake idea of beauty.
As for the solution to people becoming depressed because other people may or may not make comments about their chest size, there isn't one. People have to learn not to care what other people think.

I feel like your good intentions are there, I just think its very difficult to suggest that this is more effective than surgery. The NHS, and the patients clearly deem surgery beneficial under some circumstances otherwise this conversation would not exist.

[the truth]

I feel like your good intentions are there, I just think its very difficult to suggest that this is more effective than surgery. The NHS, and the patients clearly deem surgery beneficial under some circumstances otherwise this conversation would not exist.

Its immoral to waste money on plastic boobs ahead of channelling into life saving areas. Many thousands of people die whilst awaiting treatment on the nhs due to shortage of funding. We must prioritise and plastic boobs are way down the bottom of a long list of priorities.

[Withano]

Its immoral to waste money on plastic boobs ahead of channelling into life saving areas. Many thousands of people die whilst awaiting treatment on the nhs due to shortage of funding. We must prioritise and plastic boobs are way down the bottom of a long list of priorities.

NHS will always provide expenditure towards depressive patients, for they are a health service, and depressive tendencies are a prominent health concern in the UK.
It sounds like, to me, your main argument is that too much money is going on depressive patients. Its a bit of a dark discussion, I would not like to have that debate with you.

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[Niamh.]

I do tend to agree with those who say that getting bigger boobs is a bad way to treat depression/someone who is depressed because of having smaller boobs. Unless it's a breast reduction for health reasons or reconstructive surgery then I don't think it should be funded publicly

[Withano]

I do tend to agree with those who say that getting bigger boobs is a bad way to treat depression/someone who is depressed because of having smaller boobs. Unless it's a breast reduction for health reasons or reconstructive surgery then I don't think it should be funded publicly

But nobody has suggested a good way to treat those that do not respond well to therapeutic treatment, the answer is not do nothing.
If it wasnt an effective method, the NHS would not do it.

[DemolitionRed]

The Hugh increase in women getting boob jobs these days is not about clinical depression it's about attention. Boob jobs, Botox and the resulting trout pouts and liposuction are all a quick fix for vain women too lazy to work hard at improving their appearance in safer, more natural ways.

Its becoming less and less fashionable to have big boobs. In fact a lot of women who had boob jobs in the past are spending their money having them reduced. The new big thing is designer vaginas.

Surgery has become almost as common today as wearing make-up. If women want it it they pay for it and I think you would find that by far the majority of people would agree with that. NHS treatment is not there to finance women's insecurities and vanity.

I agree with this. There are women in their 20s having botox and contour implants and their teeth whitened and canines filed down. I look at such women and think, 'you are going to have a terrible time growing old'

I don't think just anyone should be able to have boob implants on the NHS but there has to be exceptions. I also think that people who are missing their front teeth and have no confidence, should, if they can't afford it, get help to fix that smile on the NHS.

[Brillopad]

Its becoming less and less fashionable to have big boobs. In fact a lot of women who had boob jobs in the past are spending their money having them reduced. The new big thing is designer vaginas.


I agree with this. There are women in their 20s having botox and contour implants and their teeth whitened and canines filed down. I look at such women and think, 'you are going to have a terrible time growing old'

I don't think just anyone should be able to have boob implants on the NHS but there has to be exceptions. I also think that people who are missing their front teeth and have no confidence, should, if they can't afford it, get help to fix that smile on the NHS.

Designer vaginas - god forbid. As long no one expects the NHS to finance them. :shocked:

Didn't Gemma Collins have one of them. I don't get it. If I was a man I wouldn't be attracted to her for many reasons but certainly a designer vagina wouldn't change that , if anything it would put me off because I would find it superficial and desperate.

[Niamh.]

Oh yeah that's awful DR when young girls in their 20's have stuff done, they end up looking older and losing that lovely youthfulness

I think society at the moment has awful standards for women (and men too I think)

[RichardG]

i don't know any men who prefer women with implants all over their bodies, i think it's a bit of a misconception that this is what we want tbh

[the truth]

i don't know any men who prefer women with implants all over their bodies, i think it's a bit of a misconception that this is what we want tbh

yes another example of reverse sexism

[waterhog]

if that was the case and that is all we wanted - we could just by a blow up doll ?

that's a genius idea as it cuts out all the nagging :joker:


I tried to read some potery to my one - she went as flat as a pan cake so I won't try that again as blowing her up gets harder every time - puff puff.

[Brillopad]

:smug:if that was the case and that is all we wanted - we could just by a blow up doll ?

that's a genius idea as it cuts out all the nagging :joker:


I tried to read some potery to my one - she went as flat as a pan cake so I won't try that again as blowing her up gets harder every time - puff puff.

:hehe:

[Kizzy]

Its becoming less and less fashionable to have big boobs. In fact a lot of women who had boob jobs in the past are spending their money having them reduced. The new big thing is designer vaginas.


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* phones GP *

[Livia]

People are already being denied drugs and/or treatment on the grounds of cost. I'm afraid the NHS just doesn't have enough money to grant wishes.