White privilege

[Northern Monkey]

The only people oppressing this black lady is other black people.
She destroys the "white privilege" myth.

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[ebandit]

.................we are all brothers and sisters under the same sun

.................well? apart from me............i'm whiter than white...'cos
dat sun shines so rarely here......................

Mark L

[Withano]

I honestly think she might be joking

[Wizard.]

I love this woman!

[Liberty4eva]

When someone says it's a "privilege" to be white, I know longer take it as an offense. I know it's a myth but I'll try to take it as a complement. If the person who says "white privilege" by implication wants to denigrate their own race (or gender) and say that being their race sucks in comparison to whites, then that will only hurt them.

It's a privilege to be white!!! It's beautiful and amazing to be white!!! No shame. :smug::smug::smug:

[MB.]

...so, erm, moving on...

[Kizzy]

The only people oppressing this black lady is other black people.
She destroys the "white privilege" myth.



It's not a myth.

[Northern Monkey]

It's not a myth.

Branding people victims from birth doesn't help them.It just holds them back and gives them a giant chip on their shoulder.Give people confidence and tell them they can be anything they want and you never know.They might become president one day.

[Kizzy]

Branding people victims from birth doesn't help them.It just holds them back and gives them a giant chip on their shoulder.Give people confidence and tell them they can be anything they want and you never know.They might become president one day.

Are you after LTs job? There has been a black president... What's your point?

White washing history isn't the answer either.

[Northern Monkey]

Are you after LTs job? There has been a black president... What's your point?

White washing history isn't the answer either.

Nobody's saying anything about white washing history.Just don't tell people they're underprivileged because of the colour of their skin.Tell them that they're not good enough for long enough and it can become a self fulfilling prophecy.Terms like white privilege are counter productive and problematic.

[Withano]

It's a privilege to be white!!! It's beautiful and amazing to be white!!! No shame. :smug::smug::smug:

You genuinely sound like you're from the 1600s.

[Brillopad]

Nobody's saying anything about white washing history.Just don't tell people they're underprivileged because of the colour of their skin.Tell them that they're not good enough for long enough and it can become a self fulfilling prophecy.Terms like white privilege are counter productive and problematic.

I agree totally. In the West colour of skin no longer dictates success. It is state of mind that is much more likely to do that.

[Withano]

Nobody's saying anything about white washing history.Just don't tell people they're underprivileged because of the colour of their skin.Tell them that they're not good enough for long enough and it can become a self fulfilling prophecy.Terms like white privilege are counter productive and problematic.

Would you suggest that each ethnicity is treated and represented equally in the West?

[Withano]

I agree totally. In the West colour of skin no longer dictates success. It is state of mind that is much more likely to do that.

Would you suggest that each ethnicity is equally likely to grow in to this state of mind?

[Brillopad]

Would you suggest that each ethnicity is equally likely to grow in to this state of mind?

That is up to them now isn't it. People need to take responsibility for their own success and stop blaming everyone else for their failures.

[Withano]

That is up to them now isn't it. People need to take responsibility for their own success and stop blaming everyone else for their failures.

So no, some people are less likely, and it is up to them to take responsibility?
Thats exactly what white privaledge is, you just single handedly proved its existence.
You suggested that each ethnicity is not given an equal opportunity, but those with a lesser opportunity need to take responsibility and stop blaming others, Presumably those who are given a larger opportunity.
The imbalance of opportunity, which you are suggesting to exist, is exactly what people mean when they say white privaledge
You suggesting that those with a lesser opportunity need to take responsibility without a rational suggestion for equaling the playing field is exactly why people are talking about it, its clearly showing no signs of stopping

[Brillopad]

So no, some people are less likely, and it is up to them to take responsibility?
Thats exactly what white privaledge is, you just single handedly proved its existence.
You suggested that each ethnicity is not given an equal opportunity, but those with a lesser opportunity need to take responsibility and stop blaming others, Presumably those who are given a larger opportunity.
The imbalance of opportunity, which you are suggesting to exist, is exactly what people mean when they say white privaledge
You suggesting that those with a lesser opportunity need to take responsibility without a rational suggestion for equaling the playing field is exactly why people are talking about it, its clearly showing no signs of stopping

Everyone in the West has equal access to education and therefore achievement. At the end of the day is up to everyone how they use that opportunity!

[Withano]

Everyone in the West has equal access to education and therefore achievement. At the end of the day is up to everyone how they use that opportunity!

Thats not strictly true in America, I dont believe there is a student-finance alternative, meaning College is more for the wealthy.
Not incredibly relevant either, you suggesting that there is unequal opporunity in the mindset for achievements which is dependent on ethnicity (aka white privaledge) is what was being discussed.
Or are you now retracting your previous statement, and that there is equal opportnity for ethnicities cos education
Very unclear.

[Brillopad]

Thats not strictly true in America, I dont believe there is a student-finance alternative, meaning College is more for the wealthy.
Not incredibly relevant either, you suggesting that there is unequal opporunity in the mindset for achievements which is dependent on ethnicity (aka white privaledge) is what was being discussed.
Or are you now retracting your previous statement, and that there is equal opportnity for ethnicities cos education
Very unclear.

I believe that in the West, especially in Britain and any country that provides free education for all, everyone of average intelligence and determined to achieve by working and studying hard can be successful. Ethnicity is no longer a barrier to achievement, it is determination and self-belief that dictates success. That is the same for everyone.

If people don't value education and don't bother they have no-one to blame but themselves. It is also never too late. There are plenty of opportunities for those determined to make better lives for themselves and skin ethnicity has little to do with it in my opinion.

[Withano]

I believe that in the West, especially in Britain and any country that provides free education for all, everyone of average intelligence and determined to achieve by working and studying hard can be successful. Ethnicity is no longer a barrier to achievement, it is determination and self-belief that dictates success. That is the same for everyone.

If people don't value education and don't bother they have no-one to blame but themselves. It is also never too late. There are plenty of opportunities for those determined to make better lives for themselves and skin ethnicity has little to do with it in my opinion.

Yeah, I was more talking about America, I actually agree with you here, and will probs piss off others by saying I think White-privilege is more of an American issue (but not non-existent in Europe).
However, you have made the claim that a mindset for achievement is influenced by ethnicity, obviously a mindset for achievement influences achievement, and therefore success, education and wealth in the long run.
I'm not sure if you were talking about the entire West, or just America? But this is white privilege. The unequal balance favouring caucasians by default, and you have made it clear that you believe that this difference exists in the mindset for achievement, others believe that it extends further than this.
So looks like we're both in agreement that white privalege exists, would you like to discuss anything else?

[Tom4784]

White Privilege is a thing, no matter what this Stacey Dash wannabe has to say.

[Alf]

White Privilege is a thing, no matter what this Stacey Dash wannabe has to say.Are you living proof?

[Kizzy]

Are you living proof?

Can you understand the irony of you saying that with a pic of Alf Garnett?

[Alf]

Can you understand the irony of you saying that with a pic of Alf Garnett?No I can't! could you tell me what the irony is please?

[Kizzy]

:joker:

[Alf]

:joker:I could change it to Arthur Daley if you like.

You see? I could be so good for you.

[Northern Monkey]

Would you suggest that each ethnicity is treated and represented equally in the West?

There is plenty of inequality but skin colour isn't a factor in that anymore imo.Plenty of people of every race without the same opportunities as many people.Many many homeless white people without the opportunity to get off the streets.
Unless you think that if white people are homeless it's all their own fault but if a black person is homeless then it's all 'cos white privilege'.,A white guy deals crack cos he's an idiot,A black guy deals crack 'cos white privilege'.No.People of all races can find themselves in bad situations.

[Withano]

There is plenty of inequality but skin colour isn't a factor in that anymore imo.

Inequality in skin colour implies that some people are treated better (with privilege, if you will) because of this factor. Suggesting it isn't a factor anymore is odd when you also claimed it exists plentifully. I don't think I've ever seen someone contradict themselves in less than 20 words before.


Plenty of people of every race without the same opportunities as many people.Many many homeless white people without the opportunity to get off the streets.
Unless you think that if white people are homeless it's all their own fault but if a black person is homeless then it's all 'cos white privilege'.,A white guy deals crack cos he's an idiot,A black guy deals crack 'cos white privilege'.No.People of all races can find themselves in bad situations.

This is a fairly interesting point, and I never thought of it this way, but perhaps this suggests that white privilege is less relevant in the non-privileged.
Think its difficult for you to try and convince anybody that it doesn't exist at all when you started your last post referencing the plentiful inequality in skin colour, but who am I to stop ya trying.

[Northern Monkey]

White privilege is bollocks.
If any particular race privileged it's Asians.



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[Brillopad]

White privilege is bollocks.
If any particular race privileged it's Asians.



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It's cultural - something most were aware of, except for those trying desperately to blame whites for everything and conviently ignoring/ diverting attention away from the fact that the cultural patterns of behaviour of other groups are less likely to improve their economic living standards.

[Brillopad]

Inequality in skin colour implies that some people are treated better (with privilege, if you will) because of this factor. Suggesting it isn't a factor anymore is odd when you also claimed it exists plentifully. I don't think I've ever seen someone contradict themselves in less than 20 words before.



This is a fairly interesting point, and I never thought of it this way, but perhaps this suggests that white privilege is less relevant in the non-privileged.
Think its difficult for you to try and convince anybody that it doesn't exist at all when you started your last post referencing the plentiful inequality in skin colour, but who am I to stop ya trying.

He actually said 'there is plenty of inequality but skin colour isn't a factor in that anymore' NOT that there was plentiful inequality in skin colour. Putting words in peoples' mouths in your haste to undermine their point tends to have the opposite effect.

[Beso]

Where mine? I have been serving the black man with rolls of rolled up notes for years. Wheres my nice trainers?

[Withano]

He actually said 'there is plenty of inequality but skin colour isn't a factor in that anymore' NOT that there was plentiful inequality in skin colour. Putting words in peoples' mouths in your haste to undermine their point tends to have the opposite effect.

You missed the context of his post hun, it was in reply to a post about ethnicity. Also look through the first page, you also suggested that white privilege exists. Not too sure what youre doing back here claiming anything else. You love contradicting yourself, you.

[Brillopad]

You missed the context of his post hun, it was in reply to a post about ethnicity. Also look through the first page, you also suggested that white privilege exists. Not too sure what youre doing back here claiming anything else. You love contradicting yourself, you.

I haven't contradicted myself and have clearly agreed that inequality was related to other things not skin colour. It may have been the case in the past but times have changed a lot. There will always be those that will make excuses for their own inaction as no doubt you will do for your continued baiting. I will leave you to it again. :nono:

[Withano]

Would you suggest that each ethnicity is equally likely to grow in to this state of mind?

That is up to them now isn't it. People need to take responsibility for their own success and stop blaming everyone else.

I haven't contradicted myself and have clearly agreed that inequality was related to other things not skin colour.

You love contradicting yourself, you

[Livia]

I'm white and a Jew. Am I privileged or not?

People have to stop feeling like a victim. If some white people screw over black people it's because they're dickheads and dinosaurs, not because they're white. Probably one of the races MOST done down by whitie in the last couple of hundred years is the Native American. And yet... you hardly hear from them. Are they not now discriminated against? Yes they bloody are... and yet who's weeping over their misfortune? No one.

It's a small world, we're all a long time dead and no one in the world is any better than anyone else.

[user104658]

I do personally think it's a red herring, in many ways. A very tiny proportion of people actually have the sort of privilege that is being talked about... most of those people do happen to be white (and also, male) for various historical reasons. However, the VAST majority of white people, and the vast majority of men, are just as oppressed as everyone else. It benefits the privileged to have everyone at each others throats on gender and ethnic battlegrounds because it stops us from turning our gaze where it belongs. Upwards. At the true wealth. The true power.

Within the last decade, we were so close to "getting the point". After the recession... pointing the finger at the banks, the finance markets, the 1%, things like Occupy. Something was really taking off. But these people are clever and have been doing this since the dawn of civilization; they successfully distracted us, once again, and we're all squabbling about Feminism and Terrorism and "PC culture" and whatever other bull**** they've decided to throw to turn our heads.

[Brillopad]

[QUOTE=Withano;9290142]You love contradicting yourself, you[/QUOTE


And , I stated everyone has equal opportunity to improve their quality of life in this day and age, if they want to. How was that contradicting myself.

If you misinterpret my words that's your problem.

[thesheriff443]

My input,
White people advanced faster than black people, and other cultures,
If black people advanced faster the tables would be turned in my opinion.
White people invented guns when black people had spears.

Black people are still reminded in America that they where once slaves to white people.

[UserSince2005]

A black friend told me i was a privileged white boy over the weekend

so I sent him this meme

https://img.buzzfeed.com/buzzfeed-static/static/2013-10/enhanced/webdr02/27/20/enhanced-buzz-17808-1382919326-3.jpg

[thesheriff443]

[QUOTE=Withano;9290142]You love contradicting yourself, you[/QUOTE


And , I stated everyone has equal opportunity to improve their quality of life in this day and age, if they want to. How was that contradicting myself.

If you misinterpret my words that's your problem.

I would have to say if you are born in a mud hut in Africa you going to find it harder to get into Eton college than someone living in mansion in surry.

[Niamh.]

I do personally think it's a red herring, in many ways. A very tiny proportion of people actually have the sort of privilege that is being talked about... most of those people do happen to be white (and also, male) for various historical reasons. However, the VAST majority of white people, and the vast majority of men, are just as oppressed as everyone else. It benefits the privileged to have everyone at each others throats on gender and ethnic battlegrounds because it stops us from turning our gaze where it belongs. Upwards. At the true wealth. The true power.

Within the last decade, we were so close to "getting the point". After the recession... pointing the finger at the banks, the finance markets, the 1%, things like Occupy. Something was really taking off. But these people are clever and have been doing this since the dawn of civilization; they successfully distracted us, once again, and we're all squabbling about Feminism and Terrorism and "PC culture" and whatever other bull**** they've decided to throw to turn our heads.
Nail on the head

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[the truth]

The left create a victim culture to encourage people to think of themselves as powerless helpless victims who need the government to do everything for them....this is the opposite of real empowerment

The real battle is economic between the elite and the rest

[user104658]

The left create a victim culture to encourage people to think of themselves as powerless helpless victims who need the government to do everything for them....this is the opposite of real empowerment

The real battle is economic between the elite and the rest

I agree with all of that, except the bit about "The Left". It's not a left/right thing - everyone is doing it at the moment. Like I said on another thread, the whole thrust behind Trump's rise to power is whiney, right-leaning, disempowered white men who want "daddy Trump" to swoop in and solve all of their problems. We DO have a "snowflake problem" where everyone is offended about everything and apparently no one has the emotional stability to be able to handle it... and "Right" and "Left" are just as bad as each other. Both offending each other, both unable to handle perceived slights, all wanting "something official" done by "someone important", about all of it.

[user104658]

Oh I'd also add, a lot of people are desperate to blame "this new young generation" of current teens / 20-somethings for this. Errrmmm. Did they just pop out of the ground? Did they grow on trees? IF there is an issue regarding emotional stability infesting today's youth, there can only be one reasonable place to point the finger of blame. The ****ing selfish, arrogant Boomers and early GenX'ers. They are the parents who raised this generation, and yet they are the ones complaining the loudest about it. :shrug:

[Kizzy]

I think young people are very switched on actually, at least they're not burying their head in the sand about the past and don't expect some cultures to 'get over' the injustices they suffered.

[the truth]

I agree with all of that, except the bit about "The Left". It's not a left/right thing - everyone is doing it at the moment. Like I said on another thread, the whole thrust behind Trump's rise to power is whiney, right-leaning, disempowered white men who want "daddy Trump" to swoop in and solve all of their problems. We DO have a "snowflake problem" where everyone is offended about everything and apparently no one has the emotional stability to be able to handle it... and "Right" and "Left" are just as bad as each other. Both offending each other, both unable to handle perceived slights, all wanting "something official" done by "someone important", about all of it.

Nope. Its the left. They created this entire culture. the right is simply a reaction to it.

[the truth]

I think young people are very switched on actually, at least they're not burying their head in the sand about the past and don't expect some cultures to 'get over' the injustices they suffered.

Nope theyre not switched on at all. They believe the nonsense revisionistout of context over simplistic history that paints the white man as the evil and everyone else as poor victims. If only life were so simplistic. Now theyve simply created an army of mostly workless victims devoid of truth and ambition and looking for handouts.

[user104658]

Nope. Its the left. They created this entire culture. the right is simply a reaction to it.

Irrelevant; it doesn't matter "who started it" if everyone is now doing it. "waaah waah the left waaah"... it's the same whiney bull**** that you're complaining about :idc:.

[Kizzy]

Nope theyre not switched on at all. They believe the nonsense revisionistout of context over simplistic history that paints the white man as the evil and everyone else as poor victims. If only life were so simplistic. Now theyve simply created an army of mostly workless victims devoid of truth and ambition and looking for handouts.

So when you're not demonising women you switch to the youth and the left?.... Only middle aged white men that are worth listening to eh?