Thoughts on this?

[Tozzie]

I'm interested to know what British people think about a muslim man banning bikini clad women on adverts. We all know many Muslim men don't like their women to show any part of their body so is this the beginning of Muslims taking control of how we conduct our country? I myself am an overweight woman and I have no qualms about models showing off their bodies.

What about you? :shrug:

https://www.theguardian.com/media/2016/jun/13/sadiq-khan-moves-to-ban-body-shaming-ads-from-london-transport

[MB.]

...no, it's about a decent politician taking a step against companies which promote unrealistic expectations about body image and health :umm2:

[MB.]

I mean ZOMG LOOK AT HIS WIFE YOU CAN BARELY SEE HER THROUGH THAT GREAT BIG GIANT BURKA

http://media.gettyimages.com/photos/saadiya-khan-and-mayor-of-london-sadiq-khan-attend-the-london-evening-picture-id628716544?k=6&m=628716544&s=594x594&w=0&h=Lx1kkI_yR2amHU5HdMLstv0Qy1ccMGyiTmoE10qPJmw=

[Cherie]

I'm interested to know what British people think about a muslim man banning bikini clad women on adverts. We all know many Muslim men don't like their women to show any part of their body so is this the beginning of Muslims taking control of how we conduct our country? I myself am an overweight woman and I have no qualms about models showing off their bodies.

What about you? :shrug:

https://www.theguardian.com/media/2016/jun/13/sadiq-khan-moves-to-ban-body-shaming-ads-from-london-transport

I was about to say you will get little joy on this, if it were a white straight man trying this it would be a different story :joker:

That said I see his point about unrealistic body images, but lets use to it for both male and females, you rarely see a pasty white /black weedy man in an advert unless it's to ridicule , so let's do it for both sexes

[Tozzie]

[QUOTE=MB.;9260791]I mean ZOMG LOOK AT HIS WIFE YOU CAN BARELY SEE HER THROUGH THAT GREAT BIG GIANT BURKA

Whats with the caps? calm down. Bikini clad women have been around for many many years in this country on posters and the like. Taking posters down isn't going to stop young women wanting to be skinny. I don't see him making them take posters down of muscle men models or half naked men!

[Tozzie]

I was about to say you will get little joy on this, if it were a white straight man trying this it would be a different story :joker:

That said I see his point about unrealistic body images, but lets use to it for both male and females, you rarely see a pasty white /black weedy man in an advert unless it's to ridicule , so let's do it for both sexes

LOL, I just posted a similar thing. whats good for one is good for the other.

[MB.]

Bikini clad women have been around for many many years in this country on posters and the like. Taking posters down isn't going to stop young women wanting to be skinny. I don't see him making them take posters down of muscle men models or half naked men!

And that equals "the Islamification of this country is beginning!" how?

[Brillopad]

I'm interested to know what British people think about a muslim man banning bikini clad women on adverts. We all know many Muslim men don't like their women to show any part of their body so is this the beginning of Muslims taking control of how we conduct our country? I myself am an overweight woman and I have no qualms about models showing off their bodies.

What about you? :shrug:

https://www.theguardian.com/media/2016/jun/13/sadiq-khan-moves-to-ban-body-shaming-ads-from-london-transport

You can't help but question his true motivation. A Muslim man with 2 teenage daughters - does sound as though what he actually says and what he really means might not be the same thing.

[Tozzie]

[QUOTE=MB.;9260821]And that equals "the Islamification of this country is beginning!" how?[/QUOTE

I think it is coming. Perhaps not in my lifetime but if something isn't done about radicalisation we are in danger and that scares me for my young family members. Just thinking my son was told by a young muslim man a couple of years ago.........we will take over your country, my son was just minding his own and this man just blurted this out for no reason. Anyway I hope I am wrong. I guess time will tell and I'm glad I wont be around to see it. One day there will be a bloodbath in the UK. Multiculture isn't working. I live in a very heavily populated muslim area and I can't help but notice that the white children and muslim children just do not mix with each other, of course some do but for the most part they don't. I watch them walking home from school in groups, one white group and one muslim group. Integration just isn't happening. It is sad but it is a reality

[MB.]

I'm amazed you managed to get all that from a single 10 month-old story about a billboard. That's one special skill you got there x

[Brillopad]

[QUOTE=MB.;9260821]And that equals "the Islamification of this country is beginning!" how?[/QUOTE

I think it is coming. Perhaps not in my lifetime but if something isn't done about radicalisation we are in danger and that scares me for my young family members. Just thinking my son was told by a young muslim man a couple of years ago.........we will take over your country, my son was just minding his own and this man just blurted this out for no reason. Anyway I hope I am wrong. I guess time will tell and I'm glad I wont be around to see it. One day there will be a bloodbath in the UK. Multiculture isn't working. I live in a very heavily populated muslim area and I can't help but notice that the white children and muslim children just do not mix with each other, of course some do but for the most part they don't. I watch them walking home from school in groups, one white group and one muslim group. Integration just isn't happening. It is sad but it is a reality

We should do the same as the Swiss - if they don't integrate and follow the laws and culture of Switzerland they won't get citizenship.

[Tozzie]

I'm amazed you managed to get all that from a single 10 month-old story about a billboard. That's one special skill you got there x

yeah, good eh :hee:

[Brother Leon]

Why does it matter if he's a Muslim? How does that come before his role in Government?

It's the Mayor planning to tackle body dismorphia. Did Boris Johnson get "White Blonde Male Mayor has several racist comments on Black people"?

[Tozzie]

Why does it matter if he's a Muslim? How does that come before his role in Government?

It's the Mayor planning to tackle body dismorphia. Did Boris Johnson get "White Blonde Male Mayor has several racist comments on Black people"?

he should do the same for male models. Why just women

[MB.]

yeah, good eh :hee:

I was going to say "racist" but sure, if that's the word you'd like to go with

How about you stop trivialising actual acts of radical Islamic terror by deluding yourself into thinking the Mayor of London wants every woman to walk around in burkas? Surely that's easier?

he should do the same for male models. Why just women

If you could name a recent advertising campaign featuring a male model which has received over 70,000 signatures in a petition to have it banned, then you might have the slightest trace of a point. That is, of course, ignoring the fact that he stated in the article that this kind of advertising "demeans people, especially women" (i.e. men as well, but there aren't as many ads promoting extreme weight loss for men, so he's currently - as a sensible father - focusing on trying to make sure his young daughters, and other young women in that situation, don't grow up buying into that kind of stuff) which you've conveniently skipped over... funny that

[Tom4784]

I'm interested to know what British people think about a muslim man banning bikini clad women on adverts. We all know many Muslim men don't like their women to show any part of their body so is this the beginning of Muslims taking control of how we conduct our country? I myself am an overweight woman and I have no qualms about models showing off their bodies.

What about you? :shrug:

https://www.theguardian.com/media/2016/jun/13/sadiq-khan-moves-to-ban-body-shaming-ads-from-london-transport

I think you've put 2 and 2 together and got 20 although the answer's written right there. You've essentially assumed that, because he is a Muslim, that he automatically has some sort of evil Muslim agenda to force Shariah Law upon the UK.

The idea of 'muslims taking over' that prejudiced people have is a hysterical and unrealistic fear, it's not going to happen. Muslims are not out to get you.

I think he is right to want get rid of body shaming adverts, if he was a white christian man would you accuse him of having an ulterior motive?

[Cherie]

he should do the same for male models. Why just women



Sexist..apparently men arent as easily influenced as silly women .....

[Cherie]

I think you've put 2 and 2 together and got 20 although the answer's written right there. You've essentially assumed that, because he is a Muslim, that he automatically has some sort of evil Muslim agenda to force Shariah Law upon the UK.

The idea of 'muslims taking over' that prejudiced people have is a hysterical and unrealistic fear, it's not going to happen. Muslims are not out to get you.

I think he is right to want get rid of body shaming adverts, if he was a white christian man would you accuse him of having an ulterior motive?

I would ask the same question..why just women?

[MB.]

...because women are twice as likely to suffer from a clinically significant eating disorder? And because the story is about an advertising campaign complained about by over 70k people because it says that women aren't "beach body ready" unless they look like a twig?

[Tozzie]

I was going to say "racist" but sure, if that's the word you'd like to go with

How about you stop trivialising actual acts of radical Islamic terror by deluding yourself into thinking the Mayor of London wants every woman to walk around in burkas? Surely that's easier?





oh I'm sure the muslim men would love that everyone walks around in burkas. My guess it was a muslim man who made the first woman wear a burka, I doubt it was the idea of a woman, I might be wrong but somehow I think not. Its a control thing with men, luckily muslim women are becoming more independent and unafraid. Good for them I say.

[Tom4784]

I would ask the same question..why just women?

Did I say anything about excluding men? I didn't even specify women in that post. I didn't think I'd need to specify both genders since it was obvious I was talking about both genders in the first place.

In fairness though, Bodyshaming in advertising is more of an issue that affects women anyway because adverts are designed depending on the gender they are aimed at. Female-centric advertising quite often relies on exploiting insecurities while a lot of male aimed advertisements tend to be more about inflating egos 'You're amazing already, buy this and be even more of a legend!'.

It's why discussions of bodyshaming is often centred more on women, it's more prevalent in media and advertising aimed at them, it doesn't mean that people are okay with men being bodyshamed, it's just that it's not as prevalent as it is with women.

[Tom4784]

oh I'm sure the muslim men would love that everyone walks around in burkas. My guess it was a muslim man who made the first woman wear a burka, I doubt it was the idea of a woman, I might be wrong but somehow I think not. Its a control thing with men, luckily muslim women are becoming more independent and unafraid. Good for them I say.

Do you believe that all christian men would prefer women to dress like puritans or do you only paint in broad strokes when it comes to Islam?

[Tozzie]

...because women are twice as likely to suffer from a clinically significant eating disorder? And because the story is about an advertising campaign complained about by over 70k people because it says that women aren't "beach body ready" unless they look like a twig?

Its always been the same, most men don't fancy obese women and unfortunately many women are out to please men :conf: Of course I know there are men that fancy fat women but not that many I don't think. Would it be acceptable if a model is a healthy weight on a billboard? I think he would still have wanted it banning. Women should have a choice to model in bikinis, by banning them he is trying to take away their choice for his own personal reasons

[Tozzie]

Do you believe that all christian men would prefer women to dress like puritans or do you only paint in broad strokes when it comes to Islam?

most men love a beautiful naked womans body, if truth be known they would love it if they would all walk around naked, but the married men wouldn't want that of course because they don't want other men to fancy their women lol :laugh:

[Tom4784]

Its always been the same, most men don't fancy obese women and unfortunately many women are out to please men :conf: Of course I know there are men that fancy fat women but not that many I don't think. Would it be acceptable if a model is a healthy weight on a billboard? I think he would still have wanted it banning. Women should have a choice to model in bikinis, by banning them he is trying to take away their choice for his own personal reasons

Models don't typically have a choice in what they wear in jobs, they either accept a job or not, go to it and wear what they are told to wear. They have to like it or lump it.

He's also not trying to ban modelling in bikinis? he's trying to restrict bodyshaming advertisements. Jumping to conclusions won't get you anywhere.

[Tom4784]

most men love a beautiful naked womans body, if truth be known they would love it if they would all walk around naked, but the married men wouldn't want that of course because they don't want other men to fancy their women lol :laugh:

Right...

[MB.]

I'm not even sure if you know what your own argument is here Tozzie

[Tozzie]

seems I've ruffled a few feathers. I didn't mean to offend just something I was thinking about and wanted others views on it. Soz

[Tozzie]

I'm not even sure if you know what your own argument is here Tozzie

I/m not arguing I don't do arguing

[Tozzie]

Right...

Glad you agree with me lmao :laugh:

[MB.]

I'm just a little confused by the way you keep flipping between "Sadiq Khan is part of a wider conspiracy to impose Islam on Britain" and "most men want women to walk around naked"

[Tozzie]

I'm just a little confused by the way you keep flipping between "Sadiq Khan is part of a wider conspiracy to impose Islam on Britain" and "most men want women to walk around naked"

hahaha yeah I'm confused myself :joker:

[Cherie]

...because women are twice as likely to suffer from a clinically significant eating disorder? And because the story is about an advertising campaign complained about by over 70k people because it says that women aren't "beach body ready" unless they look like a twig?

oh so because some survey said women are twice as likely we must only focus on women, maybe the men are lying in the survey, the way I see it there are as many men down the gym trying to get buff bodies as women.



Did I say anything about excluding men? I didn't even specify women in that post. I didn't think I'd need to specify both genders since it was obvious I was talking about both genders in the first place.

In fairness though, Bodyshaming in advertising is more of an issue that affects women anyway because adverts are designed depending on the gender they are aimed at. Female-centric advertising quite often relies on exploiting insecurities while a lot of male aimed advertisements tend to be more about inflating egos 'You're amazing already, buy this and be even more of a legend!'.

It's why discussions of bodyshaming is often centred more on women, it's more prevalent in media and advertising aimed at them, it doesn't mean that people are okay with men being bodyshamed, it's just that it's not as prevalent as it is with women.


You only rambled on about it affecting women more when challenged, I expect you have a poll to back this up.

[Brillopad]

I'm just a little confused by the way you keep flipping between "Sadiq Khan is part of a wider conspiracy to impose Islam on Britain" and "most men want women to walk around naked"

I think it's called have their cake and eat it.

Do you think these Muslim extremists practice what they preach and never drink, look at porn or go to sex clubs? It's the old 'some women you marry and some you have fun with' double standard mentality.

[Cherie]

hahaha yeah I'm confused myself :joker:

No you make perfect sense to me Tozzie

[Jamie89]

I'm interested to know what British people think about a muslim man banning bikini clad women on adverts. We all know many Muslim men don't like their women to show any part of their body so is this the beginning of Muslims taking control of how we conduct our country? I myself am an overweight woman and I have no qualms about models showing off their bodies.

What about you? :shrug:

https://www.theguardian.com/media/2016/jun/13/sadiq-khan-moves-to-ban-body-shaming-ads-from-london-transport

He didn't want to ban bikini clad women as far as I'm aware, it was specifically ads that promote body shaming, with this particular ad coming under fire mainly because of it's text (and that text being associated with the woman in a bikini looking unhealthily thin), and the whole thing came to be an issue because of the thousands of people who complained about it, not because the Mayor of London is Muslim. He didn't instigate the backlash against the ad, should he have ignored it?

[Jamie89]

On the male/female thing, I don't think he ever actually singled it out as only being an issue for women, it's just been spun that way in the OP because of the ad that sparked all this. He referred to advertising that can demean people, he's not targeting 'bikini clad women'.

[Tom4784]

oh so because some survey said women are twice as likely we must only focus on women, maybe the men are lying in the survey, the way I see it there are as many men down the gym trying to get buff bodies as women.






You only rambled on about it affecting women more when challenged, I expect you have a poll to back this up.

I have knowledge, qualifications and experience when it comes to advertising and how it's done and things are done differently depending on the target audience. Hell, you could make an argument that most of the adverts that could be seen as bodyshaming towards men are in fact aimed at women since things like fragrances, deodorants and male health and beauty products are more often marketed towards women because it's more common for women to buy those products for their other halves or male relations then it is for the man to go out and buy them.

'rambling on' interesting choice of words, you can't argue directly with what I'm saying so you need to discredit it.

[Cherie]

He didn't want to ban bikini clad women as far as I'm aware, it was specifically ads that promote body shaming, with this particular ad coming under fire mainly because of it's text (and that text being associated with the woman in a bikini looking unhealthily thin), and the whole thing came to be an issue because of the thousands of people who complained about it, not because the Mayor of London is Muslim. He didn't instigate the backlash against the ad, should he have ignored it?

No he shouldn't have ignored it, but he should have focussed on all adverts male or female which portray an unrealistic body image, it makes no sense to single females out in 2017, the number of males v females shouldn't come in to it

[MB.]

oh so because some survey said women are twice as likely we must only focus on women, maybe the men are lying in the survey, the way I see it there are as many men down the gym trying to get buff bodies as women.

The article literally says that it's not just women and the only reason that this particularly case is focused on women is because it's an ad targeted at women :unsure: Also, "some survey"? Yeah, that has a ring of "we don't trust experts" to it...

I'll ignore the other poster who seems to have just called Sadiq Khan a Muslim extremist

[MB.]

No he shouldn't have ignored it, but he should have focussed on all adverts male or female which portray an unrealistic body image, it makes no sense to single females out in 2017, the number of males v females shouldn't come in to it

*2016 (the article's ten months old and isn't actually relevant to anything, so why this thread even exists now I don't know)

[Cherie]

I have knowledge, qualifications and experience when it comes to advertising and how it's done and things are done differently depending on the target audience. Hell, you could make an argument that most of the adverts that could be seen as bodyshaming towards men are in fact aimed at women since things like fragrances, deodorants and male health and beauty products are more often marketed towards women because it's more common for women to buy those products for their other halves or male relations then it is for the man to go out and buy them.

'rambling on' interesting choice of words, you can't argue directly with what I'm saying so you need to discredit it.


oh right, I don't think you need particular qualifications in this area to have an opinion, advertising isn't exactly rocket science..sorry.

[Cherie]

*2016 (the article's ten months old and isn't actually relevant to anything, so why this thread even exists now I don't know)

Oh I didn't realise there was an expiry date on news articles, I learn something new every day on TiBB :laugh:

[Jamie89]

No he shouldn't have ignored it, but he should have focussed on all adverts male or female which portray an unrealistic body image, it makes no sense to single females out in 2017, the number of males v females shouldn't come in to it

I think he did tbf, women are the focus of the article and just generally I think because it's more of a common issue for women (and the ad that attracted all the attention and complaints was of a woman), but his comments addressed that it's an issue for everyone.

[MB.]

Oh I didn't realise there was an expiry date on news articles, I learn something new every day on TiBB :laugh:

Well, it's not news if it's ten months old, for starters... if anything, I'd suggest the OP's trying to whip up some hysteria in relation to more current events and suggest there's some kind of link (oh wait, that's exactly what they did right away), but that's just me

Again, whilst advertising clearly does play a role in causing body issues for men, if you could find an ad campaign which specifically tells men they're not 'ready' to be on a beach if they're not stick thin then I'd love to see it. If not, then why not just be happy that the Mayor of London did something to prevent advertising promoting body dsysmorphia regardless of gender? Why try to act as if he's doing something wrong?

[Brillopad]

Well, it's not news if it's ten months old, for starters... if anything, I'd suggest the OP's trying to whip up some hysteria in relation to more current events and suggest there's some kind of link (oh wait, that's exactly what they did right away), but that's just me

Again, whilst advertising clearly does play a role in causing body issues for men, if you could find an ad campaign which specifically tells men they're not 'ready' to be on a beach if they're not stick thin then I'd love to see it. If not, then why not just be happy that the Mayor of London did something to prevent advertising promoting body dsysmorphia regardless of gender? Why try to act as if he's doing something wrong?

Because it is very convenient as most Muslim men believe women should cover their bodies and he wants to ban ads of half-naked women. The reason he gives is questionable.

[MB.]

I thought the picture of his wife posted only a few posts into this thread would put an end to stupid comments like that, never mind

[Jamie89]

Because it is very convenient as most Muslim men believe women should cover their bodies and he wants to ban ads of half-naked women. The reason he gives is questionable.

He never singled out women or said anyone should 'cover up', these are links and assumptions being made because he happens to be muslim, but he's also the mayor of London, and all this is is the mayor reacting to a large number of complaints regarding advertising within their city. Everything else seems to be assumptions that he must really mean something more sinister than what he's saying,

[Tom4784]

oh right, I don't think you need particular qualifications in this area to have an opinion, advertising isn't exactly rocket science..sorry.

You asked me for proof, I offered a reason why my opinion is informed. I didn't say anything about needing qualifications to have an opinion so I'm not sure what you are going on about. I guess this is what happens when you are more concerned about getting on up on someone than having an actual discussion.

Advertising is more complex than what you think, it's psychological, it's analytical, everything has to be considered and everything has serve a function. To downplay that shows your lack of understanding about what advertising entails.

[jennyjuniper]

Instead of looking at ads like these to 'shame people', why not look at them as something to admire and maybe create in us a little spark of 'I wouldn't mind looking like that'. Some people need outside stimulus to promote a little ambition and drive within ourselves. Although having said that, most normal, sensible people just look at it, think 'nice' and move on.-
I am so sick of the populace being wrapped in cotton wool and protected from every little thing that might offend them or lower their self esteem. This is what obese people who have no intention of changing their ways rely on, a society that says 'There there, it's not your fault that you have no self control'.

[AnnieK]

Wow, this thread is totally indicative of what is wrong with this site at the moment. The OP asked for opinions on an article and was immediately called racist and accused of calling Khan an extremist. Not everyone is as well informed on certain things. Instead of jumping and accusing and answering sarcastically maybe the better option is to try and educate people on matters rather than assume the worst in people which is how bad feeling festers and people stop posting on here for fear of being jumped on.

I have learnt plenty reading posts on issues I am ill informed on but had questioned something and had my questions treated as bigotry in some shape of form I wouldn't have asked again and then I would never have learned and continued woth jy original train of thought.

[Ashley.]

Taking posters down isn't going to stop young women wanting to be skinny.

No, but it's a start.

[Cherie]

You asked me for proof, I offered a reason why my opinion is informed. I didn't say anything about needing qualifications to have an opinion so I'm not sure what you are going on about. I guess this is what happens when you are more concerned about getting on up on someone than having an actual discussion.

Advertising is more complex than what you think, it's psychological, it's analytical, everything has to be considered and everything has serve a function. To downplay that shows your lack of understanding about what advertising entails.

That seems to be more your issue than mine.


You would have to live under a rock not to have some understanding of how advertising works, hence my comment on rocket science

[Kazanne]

I'm interested to know what British people think about a muslim man banning bikini clad women on adverts. We all know many Muslim men don't like their women to show any part of their body so is this the beginning of Muslims taking control of how we conduct our country? I myself am an overweight woman and I have no qualms about models showing off their bodies.

What about you? :shrug:

https://www.theguardian.com/media/2016/jun/13/sadiq-khan-moves-to-ban-body-shaming-ads-from-london-transport

IF they don't like our culture and way of life ,go back to where those beliefs are normal,we live in a country that are used to these things,so why should we cow tow to backward thinking people.

[Kazanne]

Wow, this thread is totally indicative of what is wrong with this site at the moment. The OP asked for opinions on an article and was immediately called racist and accused of calling Khan an extremist. Not everyone is as well informed on certain things. Instead of jumping and accusing and answering sarcastically maybe the better option is to try and educate people on matters rather than assume the worst in people which is how bad feeling festers and people stop posting on here for fear of being jumped on.

I have learnt plenty reading posts on issues I am ill informed on but had questioned something and had my questions treated as bigotry in some shape of form I wouldn't have asked again and then I would never have learned and continued woth jy original train of thought.

Fantastic post Annie,well said :clap1::clap1::clap1::clap1:

[Kazanne]

[QUOTE=MB.;9260791]I mean ZOMG LOOK AT HIS WIFE YOU CAN BARELY SEE HER THROUGH THAT GREAT BIG GIANT BURKA

Whats with the caps? calm down. Bikini clad women have been around for many many years in this country on posters and the like. Taking posters down isn't going to stop young women wanting to be skinny. I don't see him making them take posters down of muscle men models or half naked men!

Lets get real Tozzie ,it's nothing to do with weight that just takes the heat off them a bit,it's simple ,some men think they own women and their bodies and can tell them what to wear and how to live,well not in Britain they can't.:wavey:

[Kazanne]

Its always been the same, most men don't fancy obese women and unfortunately many women are out to please men :conf: Of course I know there are men that fancy fat women but not that many I don't think. Would it be acceptable if a model is a healthy weight on a billboard? I think he would still have wanted it banning. Women should have a choice to model in bikinis, by banning them he is trying to take away their choice for his own personal reasons

Don't you try telling the truth in here,it wont work:hehe:

[Jamie89]

Instead of looking at ads like these to 'shame people', why not look at them as something to admire and maybe create in us a little spark of 'I wouldn't mind looking like that'. Some people need outside stimulus to promote a little ambition and drive within ourselves. Although having said that, most normal, sensible people just look at it, think 'nice' and move on.-
I am so sick of the populace being wrapped in cotton wool and protected from every little thing that might offend them or lower their self esteem. This is what obese people who have no intention of changing their ways rely on, a society that says 'There there, it's not your fault that you have no self control'.

I agree with this in principle and I don't think there's anything wrong with having attractive people in advertising and 'admiring' them or whatever, but I think the issue people had with this ad in particular was that a lot of people thought the model looked unhealthily thin, so I don't think the issue was just that it might offend obese or fat people, I think it was also that it was seen as something that could potentially have a damaging effect on people with eating disorders, and I think we should try and protect those people if we can.

[Withano]

It is odd that many self proclaimed "femininists" are outraged when they believe a male muslim tells them that they should wear a burqa, but are fine when a male ad director tells them to wear a bikini.
Its even more odd when they are further outraged when a male muslim has clearly made an active effort to prove he is against both of these things.
If you put male muslims in a spot where they can never win, then you should expect your argument (and yourself in general) to be taken less seriously.
The male muslim in discussion is a better feminist than anyone against this decision imo.

[Tozzie]

*2016 (the article's ten months old and isn't actually relevant to anything, so why this thread even exists now I don't know)

I posted it because I only just saw about it yesterday, didn't know it was 10months old, anyhow what if it is old news, I was interested in what people thought, this is a debate forum, all I have sensed from you MB is aggression of my original post, I have a right to post, but oh, sorry I forgot, not if it may offend someone. Freedom of speech was once allowed, if it offended so be it, people dealt with it, not like now, we just pussyfoot around not daring to open our mouths or question our thoughts.

[Tom4784]

That seems to be more your issue than mine.


You would have to live under a rock not to have some understanding of how advertising works, hence my comment on rocket science

Well considering I'm sticking to the topic and you seem more concerned with scoring points then what you are saying doesn't make much sense.

Advertising is not a simple thing, it's an exact science. It requires research, a psychological understanding of the target audience and creativity. Advertising in high traffic (thus high cost) areas like London isn't like writing up a poster for your local car boot sale, it's not simple. It's a process.

[Cherie]

Well considering I'm sticking to the topic and you seem more concerned with scoring points then what you are saying doesn't make much sense.

Advertising is not a simple thing, it's an exact science. It requires research, a psychological understanding of the target audience and creativity. Advertising in high traffic (thus high cost) areas like London isn't like writing up a poster for your local car boot sale, it's not simple. It's a process.



Really D: thanks for sharing

[Kazanne]

I posted it because I only just saw about it yesterday, didn't know it was 10months old, anyhow what if it is old news, I was interested in what people thought, this is a debate forum, all I have sensed from you MB is aggression of my original post, I have a right to post, but oh, sorry I forgot, not if it may offend someone. Freedom of speech was once allowed, if it offended so be it, people dealt with it, not like now, we just pussyfoot around not daring to open our mouths or question our thoughts.

Tozzie,and people wonder why people leave or don't bother to post.pfft. for what it's worth I agree with you totally,good for you standing by your beliefs, your not a bad person if you don't run with the PC crowd, don't ever change who you are.

[Brillopad]

It is odd that many self proclaimed "femininists" are outraged when they believe a male muslim tells them that they should wear a burqa, but are fine when a male ad director tells them to wear a bikini.
Its even more odd when they are further outraged when a male muslim has clearly made an active effort to prove he is against both of these things.
If you put male muslims in a spot where they can never win, then you should expect your argument (and yourself in general) to be taken less seriously.
The male muslim in discussion is a better feminist than anyone against this decision imo.

The difference between the male Muslim and an ad director is that she chooses to do so for the ad director for career reasons. No one is forcing her to do it, she could leave at any time.

I don''t approve of women being sexualised or being too thin but that doesn't compare in my opinion to the 'property' message a burka gives out.

No man anywhere owns any woman, much as he may like to think he does - it is all in his silly little egotistical head.

[Tom4784]

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Really D: thanks for sharing

Do you actually have anything to add to the discussion because your input seems mostly focused around failed attempts to undermine me rather than to actually add anything of value.

[Tom4784]

The difference between the male Muslim and an ad director is that she chooses to do so for the ad director for career reasons. No one is forcing her to do it, she could leave at any time.

I don''t approve of women being sexualised or being too thin but that doesn't compare in my opinion to the 'property' message a burka gives out.

A model will not get very far in their career if they walked out of jobs because they didn't like the clothes. You are defending what is essentially an illusion of choice.

There's a lot of Muslim women who would stand for the right to wear the Burkha, Hijab and other forms of religious head scarfs though. Is it really a feminist thing to dictate what they are allowed to wear because you disagree with it? How is that any different?

[MB.]

I posted it because I only just saw about it yesterday, didn't know it was 10months old, anyhow what if it is old news, I was interested in what people thought, this is a debate forum, all I have sensed from you MB is aggression of my original post, I have a right to post, but oh, sorry I forgot, not if it may offend someone. Freedom of speech was once allowed, if it offended so be it, people dealt with it, not like now, we just pussyfoot around not daring to open our mouths or question our thoughts.

And it's in my freedom of speech to point out that saying "Sadiq Khan wants to Islamify Britain and this unrelated thing is proof of that" has some pretty racist undertones... I appreciate that's not what you're saying (only asking the question), but I know for a fact there are others on this forum who believe that kind of thing

[Ninastar]

Wow, this thread is totally indicative of what is wrong with this site at the moment. The OP asked for opinions on an article and was immediately called racist and accused of calling Khan an extremist. Not everyone is as well informed on certain things. Instead of jumping and accusing and answering sarcastically maybe the better option is to try and educate people on matters rather than assume the worst in people which is how bad feeling festers and people stop posting on here for fear of being jumped on.

I have learnt plenty reading posts on issues I am ill informed on but had questioned something and had my questions treated as bigotry in some shape of form I wouldn't have asked again and then I would never have learned and continued woth jy original train of thought.

Extremely well put and the main reason I can't deal with the maturity of serious debates anymore. Its without a doubt the worst thing about politics. If you cannot keep an open mind and talk to someone without belittling them or anyone who thinks like them, then you're only going to make people think the opposite of what you believe.

You cannot expect 'uneducated' (as they call them) people to change their views on something, if you're going to be a condescending piece of **** to them.

[Kazanne]

And it's in my freedom of speech to point out that saying "Sadiq Khan wants to Islamify Britain and this unrelated thing is proof of that" has some pretty racist undertones... I appreciate that's not what you're saying (only asking the question), but I know for a fact there are others on this forum who believe that kind of thing

As said so many times .it's not what you say but how you say it,I also thought your responses were hostile, this had the makings of a good thread until those who think they know better than anyone else came in and try a force their views over.

[Vanessa]

I'm interested to know what British people think about a muslim man banning bikini clad women on adverts. We all know many Muslim men don't like their women to show any part of their body so is this the beginning of Muslims taking control of how we conduct our country? I myself am an overweight woman and I have no qualms about models showing off their bodies.

What about you? :shrug:

https://www.theguardian.com/media/2016/jun/13/sadiq-khan-moves-to-ban-body-shaming-ads-from-london-transport

I'm on his side. The average woman does not look like the models we see on the ads. I'm not offended by those ads, but i think as long as you're healthy you don't need to be a certain weight. It seems to me that those ads with women in bikini objectify women. There's more to a woman than the way she looks.