domestic abuse public experiment

[the truth]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XNrWuZV3jjw

[Marsh.]

Poor men. :(

[DemolitionRed]

What this proves is, a man hitting a woman makes him scum but a woman hitting a man is funny... sad, pathetic and cringe worthy.

The only thing I'd say is, he did come across a bit heavy handed. What he should of done was physically restrain her but I think he got the reaction he did because she fell to the ground a couple of times. Its normally assumed that a man can physically stick up for himself over a woman, whereas a woman is less likely able to defend herself against a man.

Made me feel very uncomfortable all the same.

[Northern Monkey]

What this proves is, a man hitting a woman makes him scum but a woman hitting a man is funny... sad, pathetic and cringe worthy.

The only thing I'd say is, he did come across a bit heavy handed. What he should of done was physically restrain her but I think he got the reaction he did because she fell to the ground a couple of times. Its normally assumed that a man can physically stick up for himself over a woman, whereas a woman is less likely able to defend herself against a man.

Made me feel very uncomfortable all the same.Yeah men do have to use abit of restraint as generally we are stronger.I say generally because there are some tough women out there.When we first met me and my gf used to get drunk alot and she hit me a few times.I never needed to hit her back.I just scared her into not doing it again.I would regret hitting a woman afterwards.

[Niamh.]

Yeah men do have to use abit of restraint as generally we are stronger.I say generally because there are some tough women out there.When we first met me and my gf used to get drunk alot and she hit me a few times.I never needed to hit her back.I just scared her into not doing it again.I would regret hitting a woman afterwards.

I suppose the term "reasonable force" probably applies here rather than making it a male/female thing. Obviously no one should ever hit anyone and people are perfectly entitled to defend themselves but you know, it'd be like if a 10 year old started hitting me, I'm not going to beat the s**t out of them like I could do but I would restrain them. It absolutely depends on the situation I think

[Northern Monkey]

I suppose the term "reasonable force" probably applies here rather than making it a male/female thing. Obviously no one should ever hit anyone and people are perfectly entitled to defend themselves but you know, it'd be like if a 10 year old started hitting me, I'm not going to beat the s**t out of them like I could do but I would restrain them. It absolutely depends on the situation I think

Yeah,That probably sums it up best."reasonable force".
Also it is always the men who intervene.The men are the ones creating the inequality.

[Niamh.]

Yeah,That probably sums it up best."reasonable force".
Also it is always the men who intervene.The men are the ones creating the inequality.

ssshhhhh we can't point that out, it's surely the feminists fault somehow :hehe:

[Withano]

I know the Truth didnt make a point but I'd imagine hes trying to highlight the inequality of men
Firstly shut up
Secondly how can we compare a woman lightly pushing a guy around because he was texting somebody else, to a man screaming and pushing a woman to the ground with force in retaliation to his wrongdoings
What a terrible experiment.

[smudgie]

If a woman hits a man she should be aware of the consequences.

[Northern Monkey]

If a woman hits a man she should be aware of the consequences.

I do agree.However i think the consequences should be a little measured.Not a full blown jaw breaking left hook.

[Northern Monkey]

I know the Truth didnt make a point but I'd imagine hes trying to highlight the inequality of men
Firstly shut up
Secondly how can we compare a woman lightly pushing a guy around because he was texting somebody else, to a man screaming and pushing a woman to the ground with force in retaliation to his wrongdoings
What a terrible experiment.

Tbf I don't think pushing a woman to the floor is a bad method of restraint.It beats hitting her.

[Withano]

If a woman hits a man she should be aware of the consequences.

With the video at the top it seems as if youre suggesting that the consequences should be physical retaliation, instead of jail time/police trouble?

[Withano]

Tbf I don't think pushing a woman to the floor is a bad method of restraint.It beats hitting her.

Its not the worst. I'm just highlighting why the experiment means nothing. You cant make any conclusions about gender because of the differences in the way they behaved in this "social experiment".
You cant be like 'oh they ignored the lovers tiff, but they stand up against men who border on actual physical violence, therefore men are treated worse'.

No constant in an experiment = no real experiment = no conclusions.

It would have been interesting to see a weak looking man lightly shove a stronger looking woman with loud claims of her texting someone else before she pelted him to the ground with harrowing yells.

[Kizzy]

The level of abuse although unwarranted even given the supposed provocation, the level of violence and the shouting was ramped up when the scene switched to the male abusing the female... Why was he shouting 'I'm a man!' while pushing her to the ground?

The two scenarios although conjoined were nothing alike. In one the woman portrayed as a wronged reactive hysterical female lashing out, and in the next the man is seen giving no other explanation for his dominance and aggression while knocking her to the ground other than ' don't hit me, I'm a man'.

For this to be an accurate response video then the language, tone and level of violence needed to be consistent between the two.

[Northern Monkey]

Its not the worst. I'm just highlighting why the experiment means nothing. You cant make any conclusions about gender because of the differences in the way they behaved in this "social experiment".
You cant be like 'oh they ignored the lovers tiff, but they stand up against men who border on actual physical violence, therefore men are treated worse'.

No constant in an experiment = no real experiment = no conclusions.

It would have been interesting to see a weak looking man lightly shove a stronger looking woman with loud claims of her texting someone else before she pelted him to the ground with harrowing yells.

That would be interesting to see the reactions of that.I'd like to see that video.If the woman was bigger in stature than the man.

[user104658]

The thing is, it shouldn't need to be an issue. I believe I heard one of the bystanders sum it up in the first "experiment" after all the people step in and he says "She kept hitting me! I don't want her hitting me any more!"

One of the people replies;

"So WALK AWAY FROM HER then!"


And that should be the point. Not just there and then, but full stop. If someone in your life is physically abusing you with no intention of stopping or getting help, leave them. You might think you love them, they might think they love you, but they certainly don't respect you and your basic right not to be physically abused for any reason. Simple as that. No need to fight back. Get them out of your life. Applies to males and females.

[Kizzy]

The thing is, it shouldn't need to be an issue. I believe I heard one of the bystanders sum it up in the first "experiment" after all the people step in and he says "She kept hitting me! I don't want her hitting me any more!"

One of the people replies;

"So WALK AWAY FROM HER then!"


And that should be the point. Not just there and then, but full stop. If someone in your life is physically abusing you with no intention of stopping or getting help, leave them. You might think you love them, they might think they love you, but they certainly don't respect you and your basic right not to be physically abused for any reason. Simple as that. No need to fight back. Get them out of your life. Applies to males and females.

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[DemolitionRed]

That would be interesting to see the reactions of that.I'd like to see that video.If the woman was bigger in stature than the man.

I had the pleasure of seeing that once. I was walking down the road with my friend who just happens to be a big black woman who works as a security guard. As we passed this guy he started verbally abusing her. We walked on trying to ignore him but he persisted and even started following us whilst shouting his mouth off. She suddenly stopped, calmly looked at me and said, "excuse me one moment" before walking up to him and with one strike putting him on the deck. He didn't fight back but I think he realized he'd met more than his match.

[DemolitionRed]

I think the whole point of this video is a "what would you do" scenario?

Some men do hit their partners and that's unacceptable. Some women do hit their partners and that's unacceptable too. What was shown in this video, at least the second half of it, is that people think its funny when a woman hits a man but feel angry and protective when a man hits a woman. Surely society should feel the same way about both?

[Kizzy]

I think the whole point of this video is a "what would you do" scenario?

Some men do hit their partners and that's unacceptable. Some women do hit their partners and that's unacceptable too. What was shown in this video, at least the second half of it, is that people think its funny when a woman hits a man but feel angry and protective when a man hits a woman. Surely society should feel the same way about both?

Should the context have been the same then that would have been easier to determine.
I agree it should be reacted to equally.

[Northern Monkey]

I had the pleasure of seeing that once. I was walking down the road with my friend who just happens to be a big black woman who works as a security guard. As we passed this guy he started verbally abusing her. We walked on trying to ignore him but he persisted and even started following us whilst shouting his mouth off. She suddenly stopped, calmly looked at me and said, "excuse me one moment" before walking up to him and with one strike putting him on the deck. He didn't fight back but I think he realized he'd met more than his match.

I mean i would love to have seen that.She didn't take any ****.
However now imagine that your friend is a big bloke and a smaller woman was walking down behind you and verbally abusing him and he turned round said 'excuse me one moment' and gave her one strike that decked her.....
Do you think your reaction would've been any different?

[UserSince2005]

Disgusting, no man should have to go through that.

[thesheriff443]

Would like to see livia kick the truth in the nuts in the style of someone taking a penalty.

[the truth]

Would like to see livia kick the truth in the nuts in the style of someone taking a penalty.

yes please:hehe:

[smudgie]

With the video at the top it seems as if youre suggesting that the consequences should be physical retaliation, instead of jail time/police trouble?

I am talking real life, not some set up scenario on video.
Sometimes a quick slap back is better than the police time etc.
Some people react differently to others. Therefore be aware of the consequences before you lash out, male or female.

[DemolitionRed]

Should the context have been the same then that would have been easier to determine.
I agree it should be reacted to equally.

I don't think the video was well planned. When I saw her hitting him around the head and pulling his hair and taking some real swipes at him, I was zoomed in on her actions. The problem is, she was fairly quiet and so her aggression went somewhat under the radar. He was screaming which immediately brought a lot of attention to what was happening. His loudness sounded very aggressive and at times it was hard to understand what he was shouting.

[Withano]

I am talking real life, not some set up scenario on video.
Sometimes a quick slap back is better than the police time etc. .

can you give me an exmple of a time where physical/violent retaliation is the most appropriate course of action. I cant think of any.

[DemolitionRed]

I mean i would love to have seen that.She didn't take any ****.
However now imagine that your friend is a big bloke and a smaller woman was walking down behind you and verbally abusing him and he turned round said 'excuse me one moment' and gave her one strike that decked her.....
Do you think your reaction would've been any different?

Honestly? I would of been horrified.

[Lostie!]

I know the Truth didnt make a point but I'd imagine hes trying to highlight the inequality of men
Firstly shut up
Secondly how can we compare a woman lightly pushing a guy around because he was texting somebody else, to a man screaming and pushing a woman to the ground with force in retaliation to his wrongdoings
What a terrible experiment.

It was more than "lightly pushing a guy around". Sure, the guy's retaliation was more aggressive (in the first instance, not so much in the last one yet that wannabe hero still felt the need to jump in only when he retaliated), but the woman was still being plenty aggressive. As for focusing on "his wrongdoings", I find it hard to believe that people would be as forgiving if a man was "lightly pushing around" his girlfriend just because he suspected her of being unfaithful and putting all the blame for the situation on her faults. The only one ever to blame for violence in a relationship is the instigator of the violence, male or female irregardless.

Actually, that reminds me of another one of these experiments I saw (one where the level of aggression from both parties was pretty equal). One woman walking past while the woman was being aggressive did a little fist pump and when asked about it afterwards said "I just assumed he deserved it". Yet in the very same experiment, nobody voiced anything close to that attitude when the roles were reversed.

I know people ever bringing up the situations where men are disadvantaged is taboo on here for some reason but it isn't always unwarranted and to do so doesn't make someone a woman hater or a "meninist". Where domestic abuse is concerned, clearly there's still an issue in regards to the way female-on-male aggression is seen and I think it's good for it to be talked about. Actually, it isn't even confined to domestic abuse, the number of times I've seen a woman slapping a man (and not "lightly" either) used for comedy on TV and film is ridiculous.

[the truth]

take a look at sharon osbourne

exhibit a - laughing at a man who has his penis cut off and is bleeding to death on a mainstream feminist show, shown to tens of millions

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kkmanLIAdXI

its ok for her to throw water in the face of simon cowell and louis walsh too
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hG63QbbzoIk

another of her shows , she interviewed female murderers in prison and told them they were right to do what they did and deserved to be released


another social experiment discussion
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4QFvEzIzQwg



this is a great video , judge pirro kicks ass
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zSj4lvbS_3A

[the truth]

heers feminists on rolondo fighting against having any shelters for battered men
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oOJIAp7sYU4

[Niamh.]

Told you it was the feminists fault again NM

[the truth]

heres another woman who lied for 10 months about domestic abuse and he went to prison etc
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qZXbl9_l38M

[Vicky.]

Its not the worst. I'm just highlighting why the experiment means nothing. You cant make any conclusions about gender because of the differences in the way they behaved in this "social experiment".
You cant be like 'oh they ignored the lovers tiff, but they stand up against men who border on actual physical violence, therefore men are treated worse'.

No constant in an experiment = no real experiment = no conclusions.

It would have been interesting to see a weak looking man lightly shove a stronger looking woman with loud claims of her texting someone else before she pelted him to the ground with harrowing yells.

Yes..an equal experiment would prove the point that this one is attempting to prove much better I think.

Though it does seem to be acceptable for women to hit men. On TV you see it all of the time...often in a 'funny' sense too.

[Withano]

It was more than "lightly pushing a guy around". Sure, the guy's retaliation was more aggressive

Actually, that reminds me of another one of these experiments I saw (one where the level of aggression from both parties was pretty equal). One woman walking past while the woman was being aggressive did a little fist pump and when asked about it afterwards said "I just assumed he deserved it". Yet in the very same experiment, nobody voiced anything close to that attitude when the roles were reversed.



I mean, this was more the point I was making.
The social experiment means nothing because of the reason I left from within your first paragraph, and it would be interesting to see a video like the one you saw to have a discussion on this properly.

[Withano]

Though it does seem to be acceptable for women to hit men. On TV you see it all of the time...often in a 'funny' sense too.

I only see that being used in a funny sense when the female is obviously weaker than the male, and the punch is used playfully.
I dont think many would see comedy in a female bodybuilder punching a skinny nervous looking male.
I think it will be hard to find a decent comparison, but I'd imagine people would react similarly

[Vicky.]

I only see that being used in a funny sense when the female is obviously weaker than the male, and the punch is used playfully.
I dont think many would see comedy in a female bodybuilder punching a skinny nervous looking male.
I think it will be hard to find a decent comparison, but I'd imagine people would react similarly

Oh yeah, usually big men being slapped by much smaller women and such I agree.

Still think we shouldn't normalize it to the degree we do though

[Lostie!]

I mean, this was more the point I was making.
The social experiment means nothing because of the reason I left from within your first paragraph, and it would be interesting to see a video like the one you saw to have a discussion on this properly.

But the part of my first paragraph you left intact was in reference only to the first section of the experiment. The last section had the woman being the more aggressive party in my opinion (and he's hardly some big burly muscle man is he?), and yet still only the man's retaliation spurred intervention. I thought that was worthy of discussion.

[Withano]

But the part of my first paragraph you left intact was in reference only to the first section of the experiment. The last section had the woman being the more aggressive party in my opinion (and he's hardly some big burly muscle man is he?), and yet still only the man's retaliation spurred intervention. I thought that was worthy of discussion.

I dont entirely agree, the female was the one who was pushed to the ground in a way which would suggest she was no longer able to defend herself, whereas the man stays calm and on two legs whilst blocking her hits throughout.
Its just a terrible social experiment made by children, for children. I dont think this it says anything about human behaviour. It would (still) be interesting to see an experiment which does.

[the truth]

Heres another one https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gOyrYThlOag

[Marsh.]

Poor men. :(

[the truth]

heres some harder line facts and personal stories of domestic violence against men, the women justified it by sayingt he men werent giving them enough attention

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5rCV8W7J-to

40% of victims of domestic violence are men, imagine how much more that would be if men came forward and there were actual shelters, charities and support networks for male victims as there are for women

[Marsh.]

So, you're saying men are the secret majority of domestic violence victims?

[Lostie!]

I dont entirely agree, the female was the one who was pushed to the ground in a way which would suggest she was no longer able to defend herself, whereas the man stays calm and on two legs whilst blocking her hits throughout.
Its just a terrible social experiment made by children, for children. I dont think this it says anything about human behaviour. It would (still) be interesting to see an experiment which does.

That's not what I saw. He ends up on the ground at one point and is yanked by his hair more than once. And "no longer able to defend herself" is an odd way to refer to the one instigating the aggression. I absolutely think her actions were more jarring in that part.

I get your reservations about the first section (although I completely disagree with his response in any way diluting her actions) but I think the last section is definitely worthy of discussion.

[Withano]

That's not what I saw. He ends up on the ground at one point and is yanked by his hair more than once. And "no longer able to defend herself" is an odd way to refer to the one instigating the aggression. I absolutely think her actions were more jarring in that part.

I get your reservations about the first section (although I completely disagree with his response in any way diluting her actions) but I think the last section is definitely worthy of discussion.

Bottom line for me is, I think people would have stepped in if they felt as if there was a possibility of this man becoming physically injured. This experiment did not portray this man is such a way, but it did portray the woman this way twice.

Any social commentry about this video is purely based on an uneven and misleading experiment rather than conclusions that can be drawn about human behaviour.

It would be interesting to see if a well-made social experiment would yield similar results.

[smudgie]

can you give me an exmple of a time where physical/violent retaliation is the most appropriate course of action. I cant think of any.

Yes, in my teens.
If you didn't hit back you would get more of it on a regular basis.:shrug:
Forget about grassing people up for a drunken argy bargy as well, life wouldn't have been worth living.
I suppose the rough side of life must have been really tougher back in the day.

[the truth]

So, you're saying men are the secret majority of domestic violence victims?

as usual youre lying again

[Marsh.]

as usual youre lying again

Lying? I asked you question? :unsure: