Passport to siphoning off more public money?

[Kizzy]

Disgusting waste of money!



'The Home Office has confirmed it will spend almost £500m redesigning passports for British citizens once the UK has left the European Union, paving the way for a possible return to the old dark-blue style.

Since the referendum last June, some pro-Brexit MPs and campaign groups have called for the return of blue passports to replace the current burgundy ones carried by all EU citizens.

The Home Office has invited businesses to apply for the £490m redesign project, with the new passports set to come into existence in 2019 – although it stressed this is because the current contract is ending, rather than because of the exit process.


http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/brexit-plan-bring-back-blue-passports-500-million-home-office-redesign-project-a7662601.html

[MB.]

lol our country's an utter joke lol

[Greg!]

UGH I hate everything about this.

[Greg!]

Noah fence but some crusty old Brexiters need to get their priorities straight

[Jordan.]

A cute makeover <3

[T*]

can we have ours like the pretty norwegian ones
http://cdn-image.travelandleisure.com/sites/default/files/styles/tnl_redesign_article_landing_page/public/1442848594/NORWAY0915-cb9bcb974.jpg?itok=T06JFdO8
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/C3vgpzGWAAAQylc.jpg

[MTVN]

Well it's not like we've never had to redesign our passports before, we had to do it when we joined the EU and so we have to do it now that we're leaving. If the current contract expires in 2019 then they would get a new design regardless

[Kizzy]

How in this age of 'austerity' can they ringfence 490m for it though? :/

[Denver]

How in this age of 'austerity' can they ringfence 490m for it though? :/

Maybe because they have to replace all the passports out there?

[Marsh.]

Well it's not like we've never had to redesign our passports before, we had to do it when we joined the EU and so we have to do it now that we're leaving. If the current contract expires in 2019 then they would get a new design regardless

This. It says the contract is up so it happens anyway.

Fuss over nothing as usual.

[Cherie]

Does it always cost this much to redesign D:, I though no one was having a passport change until they expired then you pay for it yourself

[smudgie]

The change is due anyhow.
I doubt it will go back to the dark blue style, but I suppose if the public want it then it could sway it.
Go for Gold I say.

[Tom4784]

It's a ridiculous amount of money to spend.

[Denver]

The change is due anyhow.
I doubt it will go back to the dark blue style, but I suppose if the public want it then it could sway it.
Go for Gold I say.

Apparently there are only 4 colours to chose from

Red, Blue, Green and Black

[smudgie]

Apparently there are only 4 colours to chose from

Red, Blue, Green and Black

Oh..forget the gold then:joker:
Blue then, red is too common now.
I have never owned a passport, nor likely to either.

[Marsh.]

Oh..forget the gold then:joker:
Blue then, red is too common now.
I have never owned a passport, nor likely to either.

I love illegal immigrants.

[smudgie]

I love illegal immigrants.

Shhhhhhhhh.
I came over here on my dads passport.
16 and under back in the day. Showing my age now.:joker:

[Marsh.]

Shhhhhhhhh.
I came over here on my dads passport.
16 and under back in the day. Showing my age now.:joker:

Aww, I remember being on my mum's passport in the 90s.

[Kizzy]

This. It says the contract is up so it happens anyway.

Fuss over nothing as usual.

Whether the contract is up or not how does that justify £490m for a redesign?

You may not feel it's a waste of public money, others might.
If you think £490m is nothing you've been playing virtual tycoon too long :/

[Toy Soldier]

"I say ol' chap, remember how life used to be so much better back in the old days? And remember how passports used to be blue? Let's make passports blue again! Then life will be good again with blue passports and no immigrants. Fish and chips and a warm pint you say? Why, don't mind if I do! Just give me 10 minutes to finish off Nigel and I'll grab my flatcap and be right with you. Nom nom nom."

[Scarlett.]

Funny thing is, the government had the choice to change the design of the passport at any point.

[Marsh.]

Whether the contract is up or not how does that justify £490m for a redesign?

You may not feel it's a waste of public money, others might.
If you think £490m is nothing you've been playing virtual tycoon too long :/

Have they broken down what that £490m is actually being spent on?
Or are your knickers twisting over one newspaper article?

[T*]

Have they broken down what that £490m is actually being spent on?
Or are your knickers twisting over one newspaper article?

the latter

[Toy Soldier]

Have they broken down what that £490m is actually being spent on?


Tallow

[Marsh.]

Tallow

*Lostie screams*

[waterhog]

whats all the fuss - we got millionsssssssssssssssssssssssssss :joker:

[Cherie]

It’s likely that all old passports will continue to be valid until they come to be renewed, at which point we will presumably be given one with a new design.


From the Independant, wouldn't this be a rational response, throw it out to the public to come up with a design, have an online poll and free post for the non computer literate, cost....pretty much zero...

[Kizzy]

Have they broken down what that £490m is actually being spent on?
Or are your knickers twisting over one newspaper article?

I'll ignore your patronising sexist comment, surprisingly no I don't have a financial breakdown of the costings.

This is serious debates and news... This is news is it not?

[Marsh.]

I'll ignore your patronising sexist comment, surprisingly no I don't have a financial breakdown of the costings.

This is serious debates and news... This is news is it not?

Sexist. :joker:

You don't have the monopoly on pretty undergarments love. I'm sporting a pink thong with a fluffy trim as I type.

Yes, it's news. But you're moaning about the cost of something we DON'T have the news on just yet. All we know is that the passport design will change.

[Kizzy]

Sexist. :joker:

You don't have the monopoly on pretty undergarments love. I'm sporting a pink thong with a fluffy trim as I type.

Yes, it's news. But you're moaning about the cost of something we DON'T have the news on just yet. All we know is that the passport design will change.

:umm2: could you not turn my thread into some 70s sitcom please?.....

[Toy Soldier]

https://image.ibb.co/eL973v/aapp.jpg


There you go. And I only want £5 million. Just saved them a ****ing fortune.

[Northern Monkey]

:joker:

This thread is win for satire

[Northern Monkey]

Couldn't they just change the ink cartridge in the printer?£20 from The Cartridge People.

Would love a red,white and blue Union Jack cover though.Imagine rolling through customs with that bad boy while the Europeans are still brandishing their crappy bergundy things.

[Kizzy]

https://image.ibb.co/eL973v/aapp.jpg


There you go. And I only want £5 million. Just saved them a ****ing fortune.

Bloody marvellous, just change the ink in the printer to blue ( add another 5m for that) and we're done.... let's ring theresa and give her the good news.

[Marsh.]

:umm2: could you not turn my thread into some 70s sitcom please?.....

Then don't bring silly dated arguments into the thread then.

[Toy Soldier]

https://image.ibb.co/gxYdAa/bluepp.jpg

:omgno:

[Cherie]

I would also appoint a Minister for Passports on minimum wage who would sort through the design entries, we could then throw it open to a phone vote to recoup his salary and more and also have 5 free votes on an app :amazed: I've just saved the country 500 million ..you're welcome

[Marsh.]

I would also appoint a Minister for Passports on minimum wage who would sort through the design entries, we could then throw it open to a phone vote to recoup his salary and more and also have 5 free votes on an app :amazed: I've just saved the country 500 million ..you're welcome

Aww, but then we'll have threads moaning about the cost to then print millions of these passports which will get printed and made regardless. :hee:

Solve that one!

Digital passports? I agree Chezza.

[Cherie]

Aww, but then we'll have threads moaning about the cost to then print millions of these passports which will get printed and made regardless. :hee:

Solve that one!

Digital passports? I agree Chezza.



a passport costs about 80.00 there is no cost to the Government :unsure:

[Marsh.]

a passport costs about 80.00 there is no cost to the Government :unsure:

£80 per person. That adds up Cherie.

DISGUSTING WASTE. The public have to pay for this! :fist:

[Cherie]

£80 per person. That adds up Cherie.

DISGUSTING WASTE. The public have to pay for this! :fist:

Is that pink thong strangling your brain tonight :laugh:

[Marsh.]

Is that pink thong strangling your brain tonight :laugh:

I thought the point of the thread was to get enraged about something that's nothing? :think:

My mistake. :hehe:

[Kizzy]

Then don't bring silly dated arguments into the thread then.

Dated arguments? you were the one making juvenile comments :/ How hard is it to respond civilly?
Try it.

[Marsh.]

Dated arguments? you were the one making juvenile comments :/ How hard is it to respond civilly?
Try it.

Your first comment to me was about playing virtual tycoon for too long as though my input was invalid and trying to patronise me.

I conduct a discussion in the manner of the thread starter.

I'd also use the phrase "knickers in a twist" to any sex so don't pull the sexist crap on me either.

And yet my response still stands.
"although it stressed this is because the current contract is ending, rather than because of the exit process." - So not a Brexit issue.

"The Home Office stressed that Brits will only have to pay for a new passport when their old one expires" - So not much waste considering it gets changed when they require a new one anyway.

And still no clarification on actual costs. Just "£500mill" thrown into headlines. So I still think it's a big fuss over nothing.

[Kizzy]

Your first comment to me was about playing virtual tycoon for too long as though my input was invalid and trying to patronise me.

I conduct a discussion in the manner of the thread starter.

I'd also use the phrase "knickers in a twist" to any sex so don't pull the sexist crap on me either.

And yet my response still stands.
"although it stressed this is because the current contract is ending, rather than because of the exit process." - So not a Brexit issue.

"The Home Office stressed that Brits will only have to pay for a new passport when their old one expires" - So not much waste considering it gets changed when they require a new one anyway.

And still no clarification on actual costs. Just "£500mill" thrown into headlines. So I still think it's a big fuss over nothing.

Ah well you don't have to discuss it if you don't want, there are other threads.
My first reply to was based on your rather glib comment that my concern and the article was mere 'fuss', I'm not getting into a back and forth with you so you can derail the thread further.

[Marsh.]

Ah well you don't have to discuss it if you don't want, there are other threads.
My first reply to was based on your rather glib comment that my concern and the article was mere 'fuss', I'm not getting into a back and forth with you so you can derail the thread further.

I don't mind discussing.

My original comment was in agreement with someone else and nothing was said about you. Also, there was nothing glib about it.

YOU derailed the thread Kizzy.

[Vicky.]

Am I going to be made to renew mine plus pay 80 quid for it like I have to pay 80 quid to change to my married name? :bored:

[Marsh.]

Am I going to be made to renew mine plus pay 80 quid for it like I have to pay 80 quid to change to my married name? :bored:

Plus £80? It'll just be the one charge of £74-80 to renew it surely?

[Kizzy]

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/C8E2InHW0AAQrTR.jpg:large

If only 31% of a sample of 2000 want it then why are they doing it?

https://www.indy100.com/article/andrew-rosindell-mp-tory-burgundy-pink-passports-7662836

[Marsh.]

Well, I don't think it's been confirmed they're going back to the old blue ones.

But, as has been stated, of course the passports are going to be changed now we're out of the EU. That would happen regardless. And the current contract is up at the same time so, not really a big deal.

[Kizzy]

Well, I don't think it's been confirmed they're going back to the old blue ones.

But, as has been stated, of course the passports are going to be changed now we're out of the EU. That would happen regardless. And the current contract is up at the same time so, not really a big deal.

Who said it was a big deal changing the passports?...

It's the costings proposed that are causing concern.

[Denver]

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/C8E2InHW0AAQrTR.jpg:large

If only 31% of a sample of 2000 want it then why are they doing it?

https://www.indy100.com/article/andrew-rosindell-mp-tory-burgundy-pink-passports-7662836

The UK ended the Death Penalty has nothing to do with the EU so i dont get where you are going with this bull crap pointless poll

[Cherie]

Well, I don't think it's been confirmed they're going back to the old blue ones.

But, as has been stated, of course the passports are going to be changed now we're out of the EU. That would happen regardless. And the current contract is up at the same time so, not really a big deal.

The point is people with current passports shouldn't have to change until they are due to expire or unless they really want to and are willing to pay? I think it will be easy enough for customs officials to direct UK citizens with EU passports to the non EU queue in 2 years time rather than wasting money renewing them?

[Marsh.]

Who said it was a big deal changing the passports?...

It's the costings proposed that are causing concern.

You just made a post questioning why it was happening when a majority of the public don't want it. Nothing about cost.

[Marsh.]

The point is people with current passports shouldn't have to change until they are due to expire or unless they really want to and are willing to pay? I think it will be easy enough for customs officials to direct UK citizens with EU passports to the non EU queue in 2 years time rather than wasting money renewing them?

But, according to the only reports we have, that's EXACTLY what they're doing. :unsure: A new design that will be rolled out as and when people renew their passports.

[Cherie]

But, according to the only reports we have, that's EXACTLY what they're doing. :unsure: A new design that will be rolled out as and when people renew their passports.

so where does the 500 million tag come in then? seems a lot of money to change a design...

[Toy Soldier]

so where does the 500 million tag come in then? seems a lot of money to change a design...

I dunno, didn't they pay like a million for that Simpsons incest blowjob London 2012 Olympics logo? :think:

[Marsh.]

so where does the 500 million tag come in then? seems a lot of money to change a design...

Exactly. That's what we don't know.

BUT LET'S GET OUTRAGED. :oh:

[Cherie]

I dunno, didn't they pay like a million for that Simpsons incest blowjob London 2012 Olympics logo? :think:

theres a bit difference between 1 mil and 500, but even 1 million seems incredible, someone is getting a huge kickback no doubt

[Kizzy]

You just made a post questioning why it was happening when a majority of the public don't want it. Nothing about cost.

That shows they aren't fussed for changing the colour only.

[Cherie]

Exactly. That's what we don't know.

BUT LET'S GET OUTRAGED. :oh:

so we just ignore a proposed 500 million bill? we don't question, we just say oh well, and pay up extra money on our council tax bills because their funding has been cut due to lack of funds..okay..:oh:

[Kizzy]

The UK ended the Death Penalty has nothing to do with the EU so i dont get where you are going with this bull crap pointless poll

No need for the offensive remarks...Can you see the data relating to passports? That's why I posted the poll.

[Marsh.]

That shows they aren't fussed for changing the colour only.

Again, we don't know what changes they're making.

[Toy Soldier]

I do find it a bit hilarious though. That people are like "Let's make them Blue again! THEY USED TO BE BLUE!! Yaaarrr Bwitaaaiiinnn!" :joker:. Quite telling actually. The argument is that "for many Brits blue will always be the colour of the British Passport"...

It changed in 1988.

That means for your first passport as an adult to have been blue, you would have to have been born before 1970.

Or in other words; you would have to be at least 47 now.


Breaking news: "OVER 50'S WANT OLD PASSPORT COLOUR BACK BECAUSE OLD"

Hmmmm... :think:... "OVER 50'S WANT OLD BRITAIN BACK BECAUSE OLD"

[Marsh.]

so we just ignore a proposed 500 million bill? we don't question, we just say oh well, and pay up extra money on our council tax bills because their funding has been cut due to lack of funds..okay..:oh:

No. Read what I said originally. We don't know what this is being spent on, or even if this much is being spent at all. So save the outrage for when we're told they're spending £490 million on ink cartridges.

[Marsh.]

I do find it a bit hilarious though. That people are like "Let's make them Blue again! THEY USED TO BE BLUE!! Yaaarrr Bwitaaaiiinnn!" :joker:. Quite telling actually. The argument is that "for many Brits blue will always be the colour of the British Passport"...

It changed in 1988.

That means for your first passport as an adult to have been blue, you would have to have been born before 1970.

Or in other words; you would have to be at least 47 now.


Breaking news: "OVER 50'S WANT OLD PASSPORT COLOUR BACK BECAUSE OLD"

Hmmmm... :think:... "OVER 50'S WANT OLD BRITAIN BACK BECAUSE OLD"

Now that's not very nice exposing Cherie and Kizzy's ages like that. :nono:

[Denver]

Blue reportedly symbolises "the new world" with 15 of the Caribbean countries opting for it.

Further south down the South American continent, Brazil, Argentina and Paraguay also use a blue passport – the cover symbolising the connection with the Mercosur trade union.


The United States are said to be changing their passport colour again in the near future
Venezuela, on the other hand, still uses a red passport, a throwback from its time in the Andean Community.

The most famous blue passport in the world though has to be the one issued to US citizens – but this was changed to blue as recently in 1976.

[Denver]

As any Brit knows, when it comes to UK passports, deep red is the colour of choice.

It also happens to be the most common passport colour with all members of the European Union, apart from Croatia, sporting a burgundy hue.

The Economist called this a "branding exercise" - though there's no word on whether we'll stay a nice shade of EU red once we've left it.

It's not just EU states either. The Andean Community (also known for past EU-ambitions) of Bolivia, Colombia, Ecuador, and Peru also has burgundy passports.

Switzerland matches its passport colour to its bright, red flag.

[Marsh.]

Do you just post snippets from wikipedia or wherever without posting the source?

Kind of silly posting it otherwise. Looks like you're trying to make out you have this knowledge yourself.

[Denver]

Do you just post snippets from wikipedia or wherever without posting the source?

Kind of silly posting it otherwise. Looks like you're trying to make out you have this knowledge yourself.

I was letting everyone know the difference between red and blue which has been discussed in this thread.

But carry on with the baiting :thumbs:

[Marsh.]

I was letting everyone know the difference between red and blue which has been discussed in this thread.

But carry on with the baiting :thumbs:

I'm not baiting. Merely suggesting you post a link with a copied and pasted article in future.

[Denver]

www.mirror.co.uk/news/weird-news/only-four-passport-colours-world-10051813

Here is the link you want which tells you what each of the 4 passports mean

[Toy Soldier]

www.mirror.co.uk/news/weird-news/only-four-passport-colours-world-10051813

Here is the link you want which tells you what each of the 4 passports mean

For those who can't be bothered to read the link, the answer is "they mean absolutely nothing".

[Denver]

For those who can't be bothered to read the link, the answer is "they mean absolutely nothing".

Well there is a reason beyond the passports so they do.

We wont be adopting the green because we are not an Arabic country and i doubt will will go for black as few countries have it.

Blue is for the New World which we could interpretate into new Britian

[Cherie]

Now that's not very nice exposing Cherie and Kizzy's ages like that. :nono:

I have a nice shiny BURGUNDY EU Irish passport which I won't be swopping anytime soon :hee:

[Niamh.]

I have a nice shiny BURGUNDY EU Irish passport which I won't be swopping anytime soon :hee:

Cherie to get deported from Britain #Brexit

[Kizzy]

Now that's not very nice exposing Cherie and Kizzy's ages like that. :nono:

Well it's not far off, I was born in 72... But for the record I don't want a tory blue passport thank you.


If I do get a blue one, I will be getting a nice pink cover for it :hee:

[Toy Soldier]

Blue is for the New World which we could interpretate into new Britian

True. When I think "New World", Britain is usually the first country that springs to mind.

Jesus ****ing Christ :facepalm:.

[Denver]

True. When I think "New World", Britain is usually the first country that springs to mind.

Jesus ****ing Christ :facepalm:.

Grow the **** up

[Northern Monkey]

Feck blue.Blue's boring.It's gotta be Union Jack colour.

[Niamh.]

Feck blue.Blue's boring.It's gotta be Union Jack colour.

Not if Scotland and NI leave you :fan: Actually does Wales have any part in the Union Jack?

[Denver]

Not if Scotland and NI leave you :fan: Actually does Wales have any part in the Union Jack?

Yes the dragon is transparent in the corner

[Northern Monkey]

Not if Scotland and NI leave you :fan: Actually does Wales have any part in the Union Jack?

They won't leave.Have Union Jack with a kickass dragon in the middle then.It's the least we deserve for £500,000,000

[Niamh.]

Yes the dragon is transparent in the corner

The Welsh dragon does not appear on the flag because when the first Union Flag was created in 1606, Wales was already united with England from the 13th century. This meant that Wales a Principality instead of a Kingdom and as such could not be included.

http://projectbritain.com/geography/unionjack5.html

It would look way cooler with a dragon on it

[Marsh.]

Cherie to get deported from Britain #Brexit

Chexit?

[Niamh.]

Chexit?

:laugh2:

[Marsh.]

Well it's not far off, I was born in 72... But for the record I don't want a tory blue passport thank you.


If I do get a blue one, I will be getting a nice pink cover for it :hee:

A 70's child. :clap1:

[Marsh.]

:laugh2:

Cherie floating off into the North Atlantic, burgundy passport still tightly clutched in her hands?

[Marsh.]

Actually does Wales have any part in the Union Jack?

The white lines are made of sheep wool.

[Kizzy]

A 70's child. :clap1:

Yes I am, not sure why that deserves a round of applause, but thank you anyway.

[Cherie]

Cherie to get deported from Britain #Brexit

Chexit?

Cherie floating off into the North Atlantic, burgundy passport still tightly clutched in her hands?

I'll leave when I am good and ready :oh:

[Cherie]

Yes I am, not sure why that deserves a round of applause, but thank you anyway.

I'll take it, the round of applause that is..:smug: we immigrants are grasping everything

[Marsh.]

Yes I am, not sure why that deserves a round of applause, but thank you anyway.

Because, I too, am a 70s child. :smug:




♪ ♫ The look of looooovee ♪ ♫

[Kizzy]

Because, I too, am a 70s child. :smug:




♪ ♫ The look of looooovee ♪ ♫

Really? I thought you were much younger.... and gay :joker:

[Marsh.]

Really? I thought you were much younger.... and gay :joker:

Just because a man spends a little too much on hand cream, and knows all the lines to All About Eve, you accuse him of being a receiver of swollen goods?

How very dare you.

[jaxie]

Not if Scotland and NI leave you :fan: Actually does Wales have any part in the Union Jack?

Wales and England are both red. The red X is wales I believe and the red cross for England.

[Niamh.]

Wales and England are both red. The red X is wales I believe and the red cross for England.

Nope, Wales aren't represented I googled it :hee:

[Kizzy]

Nope, Wales aren't represented I googled it :hee:

How dare you google facts on this forum lady... We deal only in heresay and heresy! :nono:

[MTVN]

so where does the 500 million tag come in then? seems a lot of money to change a design...

Passports a reviewed every now and then to update their security features and make them harder to counterfeit, I'd imagine that's where most of the cost comes in

[Vicky.]

Plus £80? It'll just be the one charge of £74-80 to renew it surely?

Need it renewed next year. Guessing new ones will be after that. So may have to have 2 updates in a year :bored:

[Marsh.]

Need it renewed next year. Guessing new ones will be after that. So may have to have 2 updates in a year :bored:

I should think you would only need to get the new ones when you need to renew them again. :omgno: