The idea that Assad gassed his own people is so stupid

[Liberty4eva]

When there was an assassination in ancient Rome the question they would ask is who benefits? Assad gassing his own people gains him nothing. This smacks of war propaganda. I would sooner believe the rebels (ISIS) gassed the people to frame Assad.

[Denver]

He is an horrible person who will do anything to get rid of people wanting him out

[DemolitionRed]

Does anyone know if it was Shiites or Sunnis who were gassed?

[Toy Soldier]

IF indeed it was the rebels / terrorists / miscellaneous who unleashed a chemical weapon, then it is extremely likely that they did so with the prior knowledge of, in collusion with, or possibly even suggested by, an interested third party such as the United States.

Wake up Liberty. You're half way there. Further down the rabbit hole, faster faster!

[Brillopad]

IF indeed it was the rebels / terrorists / miscellaneous who unleashed a chemical weapon, then it is extremely likely that they did so with the prior knowledge of, in collusion with, or possibly even suggested by, an interested third party such as the United States.

Wake up Liberty. You're half way there. Further down the rabbit hole, faster faster!

You would blame Trump if a meteorite crashed into the Middle East and eradicated it - somehow it would be his fault. :shrug:

Conspiratory theories gone mad. :conf:

[Toy Soldier]

You would blame Trump if a meteorite crashed into the Middle East and eradicated it - somehow it would be his fault. :shrug:

Conspiratory theories gone mad. :conf:
Nothing at all to do with Trump.

[Liberty4eva]

IF indeed it was the rebels / terrorists / miscellaneous who unleashed a chemical weapon, then it is extremely likely that they did so with the prior knowledge of, in collusion with, or possibly even suggested by, an interested third party such as the United States.

Wake up Liberty. You're half way there. Further down the rabbit hole, faster faster!

I'm a lot more awake than you realize, TS. I don't know everything about the world but I know that when it comes to war that governments and media are VERY likely to lie. And perhaps most wars in history are started over lies. War means business. War means opportunity to enhance government power both over seas and domestically. People will know that I am a Trump supporter but I will turn on him so fast if he continues to provoke war.

[jennyjuniper]

When there was an assassination in ancient Rome the question they would ask is who benefits? Assad gassing his own people gains him nothing. This smacks of war propaganda. I would sooner believe the rebels (ISIS) gassed the people to frame Assad.

Saddam Hussein did it.

[the truth]

When there was an assassination in ancient Rome the question they would ask is who benefits? Assad gassing his own people gains him nothing. This smacks of war propaganda. I would sooner believe the rebels (ISIS) gassed the people to frame Assad.

Youre probably right but 90% of US news is controlled by just 6 corporations...General electric, disney, cbs, time warner, news corporation and viacom

its whats known as the illusion of choice, where the 50 odd corporations in the 1980s were bought out and consolidated into just 6. thats just 6 bosses controlling the news in america, frightening

http://www.businessinsider.com/these-6-corporations-control-90-of-the-media-in-america-2012-6?IR=T

[DemolitionRed]

I'm a lot more awake than you realize, TS. I don't know everything about the world but I know that when it comes to war that governments and media are VERY likely to lie. And perhaps most wars in history are started over lies. War means business. War means opportunity to enhance government power both over seas and domestically. People will know that I am a Trump supporter but I will turn on him so fast if he continues to provoke war.

People can shout 'propaganda' all they want. The question is, who's propaganda do we believe?

What we do know is, the West took out Hussein and Gaddafi under a pretext of lies. They want to take out Assad before taking out Khamenei but those pesky Russians are making things tough this time round.

I don't believe for a moment that Western interest is about overthrowing ISIS because there's a hundred gorilla groups just as ruthless as them and I don't believe they want to see the fall of Assad because he's an evil dictator (he's only evil if you only pay attention to western news). This is all about oil pipe lines for both Russia and the West.

[Livia]

If there's no evidence of chemical weapons being used, 'beyond a reaonsable doubt', there is definitely a preponderance of evidence. Victims being treated for what could only have been a chemical attack, and bodies showing unique symptons of exposure to chemical weapons. Leaders in the Middle East are not adverse to using chemical weapons; Saddam's chemical attach on the Kurds at Halabja... for instance.

[the truth]

The west blamed iran for killing 5000 people in the 1980s ...then 20 years later they blamed iraq for the exact same 5000 deaths as an excuse to blow up Iraq? colin powell, bush and killary all peddled this and the masses didnt seem to notice

[DemolitionRed]

The west blamed iran for killing 5000 people in the 1980s ...then 20 years later they blamed iraq for the exact same 5000 deaths as an excuse to blow up Iraq? colin powell, bush and killary all peddled this and the masses didnt seem to notice

^This

How can the Syrian government be held accountable for using chemical weapons when, so far, there's not a scrap of evidence. All evidence so far is pointing at Jabhat al-Nusra terrorists, so why would the U.S jump in before an agreed investigation from none interested parties outside of Syria?

From where I'm sitting, it looks like the U.S goal is to weaken the ability of the Syrian Arab Army and its allies to fight terrorism. If that's the case, America has just encouraged mass terrorism with chemical weapons.

[Northern Monkey]

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[Brillopad]

People can shout 'propaganda' all they want. The question is, who's propaganda do we believe?

What we do know is, the West took out Hussein and Gaddafi under a pretext of lies. They want to take out Assad before taking out Khamenei but those pesky Russians are making things tough this time round.

I don't believe for a moment that Western interest is about overthrowing ISIS because there's a hundred gorilla groups just as ruthless as them and I don't believe they want to see the fall of Assad because he's an evil dictator (he's only evil if you only pay attention to western news). This is all about oil pipe lines for both Russia and the West.

There may be 100 other groups but ISIS are the ones carrying out all the terror attacks in the West currently and should be top of the list.

[DemolitionRed]

There may be 100 other groups but ISIS are the ones carrying out all the terror attacks in the West currently and should be top of the list.

One thing that's been proven over and over again is, you can't fight gorilla warfare like you can a conventional war because there's no clear supply line. ISIS is so entrenched in multiple areas that they are virtually impossible to pin down.

Perhaps we should ask ourselves, why does ISIS exist and why is ISIS targetting the West? Should we just get out and stop trying to police that part of the world for our own material gain? We need to remind ourselves that just as ISIS is evil to us, the West is equally as evil to ISIS.

[Brillopad]

One thing that's been proven over and over again is, you can't fight gorilla warfare like you can a conventional war because there's no clear supply line. ISIS is so entrenched in multiple areas that they are virtually impossible to pin down.

Perhaps we should ask ourselves, why does ISIS exist and why is ISIS targetting the West? Should we just get out and stop trying to police that part of the world for our own material gain? We need to remind ourselves that just as ISIS is evil to us, the West is equally as evil to ISIS.

And why are they entrenched in multiple areas - it's all part of their plan. Hence the battle the West now have with the enemy within. We only have ourselves to blame for that in my opinion. Finally, hopefully, the West are waking up to that.

You make it sound as if they don't dictate to and terrorise their own people, especially the poor women. As if they just go about their lives not bothering anyone else unless others bother them. They are tyrants who need to control others and make their lives a misery. Who are you trying to convince!

[Cherie]

One thing that's been proven over and over again is, you can't fight gorilla warfare like you can a conventional war because there's no clear supply line. ISIS is so entrenched in multiple areas that they are virtually impossible to pin down.

Perhaps we should ask ourselves, why does ISIS exist and why is ISIS targetting the West? Should we just get out and stop trying to police that part of the world for our own material gain? We need to remind ourselves that just as ISIS is evil to us, the West is equally as evil to ISIS.


They don't just target the West though do they?

[Cherie]

And why are they entrenched in multiple areas - it's all part of their plan. Hence the battle the West now have with the enemy within. We only have ourselves to blame for that in my opinion. Finally, hopefully, the West are waking up to that.

You make it sound as if they don't dictate to and terrorise their own people, especially the poor women. As if they just go about their lives not bothering anyone else unless others bother them. They are tyrants who need to control others and make their lives a misery. Who are you trying to convince!



Good point

[DemolitionRed]

And why are they entrenched in multiple areas - it's all part of their plan. Hence the battle the West now have with the enemy within. We only have ourselves to blame for that in my opinion. Finally, hopefully, the West are waking up to that.



Of course its part of their plan. They know the terrain, their enemies don't. I mean, good grief, the American army don't even know who to target because ISIS soldiers can look like civilians; all they can do is rely on tip-offs and interception but neither of those things are reliable

Like you say, its the same in the West. These lone wolves come out of nowhere. They can walk among us without creating suspicion


You make it sound as if they don't dictate to and terrorise their own people, especially the poor women. As if they just go about their lives not bothering anyone else unless others bother them. They are tyrants who need to control others and make their lives a misery. Who are you trying to convince!

They are all fighting for their own cause and many of these fractions are as equally as bad as ISIS... meaning they lop off peoples heads, rape and imprison women and murder babies in arms. The Shiites are as bad as the Sunnis who are as bad as the Wahabis and in the middle of all that mess are people who just want to live peaceful lives or get out of that hell hole.

What am I trying to convince people of? I think I have a fairly good understanding of what started this mess. I know the western governments were no innocents in this and I don't believe for an iota of a second that our governments are the good Samaritans that are trying to resolve this mess.

[waterhog]

When there was an assassination in ancient Rome the question they would ask is who benefits? Assad gassing his own people gains him nothing. This smacks of war propaganda. I would sooner believe the rebels (ISIS) gassed the people to frame Assad.

he is one sick individual - ofcorse her did as he has no limits to what he does and to who. and with russia behind him - he has got a green card.

[DemolitionRed]

he is one sick individual - ofcorse her did as he has no limits to what he does and to who. and with russia behind him - he has got a green card.

We can't paint this as black and white like western media have. Its been grossly simplified into Assad EVIL... The west and Saudi GOOD; Its a lot more complex than that.

A percentage of Syrians hate Assad and another percentage see him as the great captain of the ship. Assad's army are killing its opponent's, just as the opponent's are killing people who support Assad. The Shiite's love their president, the Sunni's hate him and want a Sunni government installed, which would be equally dictatorial.

America and the West took it upon themselves to sit on Syrias doorstep and support Assad's opponent's but first they had to paint Assad as the evil tyrant who gasses children (there is no proof to back this claim) They did the same in Iraq and Libya and look at whats risen from the ashes there.

If you read Syrian public opinion of the goings on in Syria, its frightening because the hatred towards the West is huge. Even those who the Americans are presently supporting make comments like, "first we will kill Assad and then we will kill America".

Don't get me wrong. I believe Assad is a dictator, just as Saddam and Khamenei of Iran and Salman Al Saud of Saudi are dictators, but every time we topple a dictator, something much worse takes its place and entire nations become unstable and brutally tribal and we get refugees en-mass arriving on our shores.

So Assad may be bad according to the western government and Salman bin Abdulaziz Al Saud is good... think about that and you will understand that this has nothing to do with dictatorship and all to do with pipe lines and the price of future oil.

[waterhog]

I am judging him on what he has said and his plans - this man is more deluded then me - what he says is not reality. the quicker he is gone the quicker we can get to grips with the next person who takes his place and all the problems they bring.

[Livia]

Does anyone here think that Assad has been painted as "evil", but that he actually isn't? If anyone's in doubt and you don't trust the press... do some digging yourself, read some of the stories by actual Syrians and see what they've lost. But really, I have faith that the vast majority are not sheep, but thinking beings who can sniff out a lie as well as the next person.

[DemolitionRed]

I am judging him on what he has said and his plans - this man is more deluded then me - what he says is not reality. the quicker he is gone the quicker we can get to grips with the next person who takes his place and all the problems they bring.

So another Iraq is for the best then?

[DemolitionRed]

I believe Assad is evil but no worse than all those potential leaders ready to step into his boots.

I continually read journalism from Iran, Russia, Saudi, the West and in particular Syria. All of them carry bias.

[Brillopad]

I believe Assad is evil but no worse than all those potential leaders ready to step into his boots.

I continually read journalism from Iran, Russia, Saudi, the West and in particular Syria. All of them carry bias.

Everything and everyone carries bias. People form their own opinions based on a combination of their own experience, what they read and their own opinion, partly based on what they prefer to believe - no one is above reproach on this.

[Livia]

Everything and everyone carries bias. People form their own opinions based on a combination of their own experience, what they read and their own opinion, partly based on what they prefer to believe - no one is above reproach on this.

I agree. People are capable of sorting the wheat from the chaff, it isn't just a select few. People make their own decisions about what's true and what's not. The UK's Department for International Development has spent over £1bn on aid for Syria and is one of the largest, if not the largest, provider of aid to Jordan which has massive refugee camps. That's not been in the news... it's all about the arms and the fighting. But I know about it. And it's true!

[Brillopad]

When there was an assassination in ancient Rome the question they would ask is who benefits? Assad gassing his own people gains him nothing. This smacks of war propaganda. I would sooner believe the rebels (ISIS) gassed the people to frame Assad.

ISIS - Insane Small Ignorant Scum

Unfortunately the world is full of power-mad little men all trying to be big fish in their own small ponds. ISIS are deluded enough and stupid enough to believe they can take on the whole world, getting their tentacles into every country on earth it seems. They are the most deluded of all in all their ignorance.

I really wouldn't put anything past those idiots. There are none so blind as those that will not progress and are too scared to abandon their backward ideology for fear of becoming powerless and invisible. The West will always be one step ahead of such insecure, backward thinking fools.

[DemolitionRed]

There are at least ten well known armies and militia groups fighting in Syria.
The Syrian army backed by Russia and Iran and has the support of the Shiites and Christians in Syria who view Assad’s army as their only real protectorate.
Turkey, who’s motives aren’t very transparent
Iran/ Hezbollah who are aligned with Assad
The Free Syrian Army who are anti-Assad and were supported by America until they started handing their weapons over to ISIS
The YPG who want a Kurdish state and who have reliably allied themselves with America and continue to fight against ISIS
ISIS (formally al-Qaeda in Iraq) Who commits acts of genocide against Shiites, Christians, and Yezidis.
The Nursa Front, better known as al-Qaeda who are now accepting mass desertions from ISIS and like ISIS, are fighting against Shiites and Christians which includes the Syrian Army.
The Christian Militias who fight against jihadist groups including ISIS. They are supported by Russia and Assad but have had no U.S support so far.
And America who was sending weapons to The Free Syrian Army and is still working with the YPG against ISIS but more recently has concentrated its efforts on toppling Assad.
Assad is the only Arab group protecting Christians and yet surprise, surprise, he’s gassing children, just like Hussain did. Remember though none of this has ever been verified.
Edited to add Russia!

This all started about ten years ago when Assad screwed up the contract that was set to build a gas pipline from Qatar, through Syria down to the Med where it would supply Europe. Instead of strengthening the US and European economy, Assads broken contract was about to strengthen Russia. The same thing happened to the Ukraine when it refused to sign up to the EU.
Russia needs to control the Syrian pipeline and the West need to control the Syrian pipeline but what both the Russians and the West overlooked was how many forces are at play in Syria.

For those who rule over us, its all about oil, for us, the western civilians, its about having to live beside the fallout and for Syrian civilians its about having to live with all this extremism over lineage and interpretation of the Koran.
The West started this fight and now the West is blaming all the guys who turned up after.

I don't believe for a moment that the western pigs at the top are concerned about chemical weapons. This is all about occupation to control the flow of gas and has nothing to do with brokering peace or any other crap like that.

[Livia]

There are at least ten well known armies and militia groups fighting in Syria.
The Syrian army backed by Russia and Iran and has the support of the Shiites and Christians in Syria who view Assad’s army as their only real protectorate.
Turkey, who’s motives aren’t very transparent
Iran/ Hezbollah who are aligned with Assad
The Free Syrian Army who are anti-Assad and were supported by America until they started handing their weapons over to ISIS
The YPG who want a Kurdish state and who have reliably allied themselves with America and continue to fight against ISIS
ISIS (formally al-Qaeda in Iraq) Who commits acts of genocide against Shiites, Christians, and Yezidis.
The Nursa Front, better known as al-Qaeda who are now accepting mass desertions from ISIS and like ISIS, are fighting against Shiites and Christians which includes the Syrian Army.
The Christian Militias who fight against jihadist groups including ISIS. They are supported by Russia and Assad but have had no U.S support so far.
And America who was sending weapons to The Free Syrian Army and is still working with the YPG against ISIS but more recently has concentrated its efforts on toppling Assad.
Assad is the only Arab group protecting Christians and yet surprise, surprise, he’s gassing children, just like Hussain did. Remember though none of this has ever been verified.

This all started about ten years ago when Assad screwed up the contract that was set to build a gas pipline from Qatar, through Syria down to the Med where it would supply Europe. Instead of strengthening the US and European economy, Assads broken contract was about to strengthen Russia. The same thing happened to the Ukraine when it refused to sign up to the EU.
Russia needs to control the Syrian pipeline and the West need to control the Syrian pipeline but what both the Russians and the West overlooked was how many forces are at play in Syria.

For those who rule over us, its all about oil, for us, the western civilians, its about having to live beside the fallout and for Syrian civilians its about having to live with all this extremism over lineage and interpretation of the Koran.
The West started this fight and now the West is blaming all the guys who turned up after.

I don't believe for a moment that the western pigs at the top are concerned about chemical weapons. This is all about occupation to control the flow of gas and has nothing to do with brokering peace or any other crap like that.

That whole post was wiped out by one ridiculous, provocative phrase.

[Kizzy]

That whole post was wiped out by one ridiculous, provocative phrase.

No it wasn't, it's getting more and more frequent this stomping around the forum judging which information , links, sources or standpoints are 'ridiculous'.

We are pigs with our noses in the trough of the world, we always have been and we always will be... If that makes me unpatriotic I don't give a toss! There is precious little about Britain to feel proud of anymore and what there is this govt is hell bent on stamping out!

who are you to call it ridiculous?

[Brillopad]

No it wasn't, it's getting more and more frequent this stomping around the forum judging which information , links, sources or standpoints are 'ridiculous'.

We are pigs with our noses in the trough of the world, we always have been and we always will be... If that makes me unpatriotic I don't give a toss! There is precious little about Britain to feel proud of anymore and what there is this govt is hell bent on stamping out!

who are you to call it ridiculous?

It's a public forum - we all have a right to call something ridiculous, you do it often enough.

Besides she is right.

[Kizzy]

It's a public forum - we all have a right to call something ridiculous, you do it often enough.

Besides she is right.

Why because she referred to Brits as pigs, that then negates a common sense informative factual post?

What's the best either of you two have added of any merit to any discussion of late?
Your combined best effort is to label anything not a direct quote from a tabloid newspaper as ridiculous or 'PC' :laugh:

[Brillopad]

Why because she referred to Brits as pigs, that then negates a common sense informative factual post?

What's the best either of you two have added of any merit to any discussion of late?
Your combined best effort is to label anything not a direct quote from a tabloid newspaper as ridiculous or 'PC' :laugh:

In your limited biased opinion. In my opinion your efforts are predictably anti-establishment, full of conspiracy theories and anti the West, with most of your sources provided by left-wing rags. Real balanced sources there. The merit of your opinions are debatable.

As you seem to hate Britain, America and the West so much maybe you could emigrate to the Middle East, but I don't think that as a mere woman, your strong opinions, or any opinions come to that, will be appreciated.

[Livia]

Why because she referred to Brits as pigs, that then negates a common sense informative factual post?

What's the best either of you two have added of any merit to any discussion of late?
Your combined best effort is to label anything not a direct quote from a tabloid newspaper as ridiculous or 'PC' :laugh:

Oh... I didn't realise we were being graded. By you.

[Kizzy]

In your limited biased opinion. In my opinion your efforts are predictably anti-establishment, full of conspiracy theories and anti the West, with most of your sources provided by left-wing rags. Real balanced sources there. The merit of your opinions are debatable.

As you seem to hate Britain, America and the West so much maybe you could emigrate to the Middle East, but I don't think that as a mere woman, your strong opinions, or any opinions come to that, will be appreciated.

Typical retort...if you don't like it foff!

very blinkered and narrow minded view of history and present misguided actions that are killing people at home and abroad.

[Kizzy]

Oh... I didn't realise we were being graded. By you.

Well, you are... And I'm very disappointed.

For someone so intelligent I don't see any insight in your posts, just the bog standard mocking jibes. Sorry.

[Brillopad]

Typical retort...if you don't like it foff!

very blinkered and narrow minded view of history and present misguided actions that are killing people at home and abroad.

Indeed your views are very blinkered and narrow-minded and those being killed are largely the victims of religous zealots and terrorists. All grown-ups are accountable for their actions wherever they come from. But let's just blame the West for all the world's ills - what a nice, easy, convenient little belief system that is.

[DemolitionRed]

Those who cannot understand how to put their insults on ice should not enter into the heat of debate.

Fredrick somebody or other

I wouldn't mind being judged for my words, if those judging me could understand something of the topic. Continually using satire or not sticking to the debate topic is nearly always an attempt to throw that topic off track.

[DemolitionRed]

Indeed your views are very blinkered and narrow-minded and those being killed are largely the victims of religous zealots and terrorists. All grown-ups are accountable for their actions wherever they come from. But let's just blame the West for all the world's ills - what a nice, easy, convenient little belief system that is.

Is there anyone here who blames the West for all the worlds ills?

As for Iraq and Syria, we invaded them. We started this but sometimes it feels like you're not aware of this.

[Northern Monkey]

They are all fighting for their own cause and many of these fractions are as equally as bad as ISIS... meaning they lop off peoples heads, rape and imprison women and murder babies in arms. The Shiites are as bad as the Sunnis who are as bad as the Wahabis and in the middle of all that mess are people who just want to live peaceful lives or get out of that hell hole.

Hmm.....


Not the best endorsement for bringing them over here

:joker:

[DemolitionRed]

Hmm.....


Not the best endorsement for bringing them over here

:joker:

Laughing aside; it makes bringing them over here a lot more complex than just looking out for ISIS insurgents. The FSA and NURSA Front are both revolutionary armies. ISIS are just better at spreading propaganda, especially when it comes to the West. If NF or FSA were to claim a terrorist attack over here, the government, for the sake of public knowledge, would tell us it was ISIS and ISIS would be happy with stealing that brownie point.

We do need to give the innocents a choice of escape, but what we can't do is release people who are under suspicion until we make a decision to send them back or not. I believe that's what happened with the Swedish attacker.

[Livia]

Well, you are... And I'm very disappointed.

For someone so intelligent I don't see any insight in your posts, just the bog standard mocking jibes. Sorry.

You're right to be sorry.

You understand that we're not here for you to shareyour opinion of me with the forum, right? I am not a topic of conversation here.

[Livia]

Those who cannot understand how to put their insults on ice should not enter into the heat of debate.

Fredrick somebody or other

I wouldn't mind being judged for my words, if those judging me could understand something of the topic. Continually using satire or not sticking to the debate topic is nearly always an attempt to throw that topic off track.

You were judged for your words. You called a whole section of humanity "pigs".

To my mind, that loses you the right to talk down to others and say who should or shouldn't enter a debate.

[smudgie]

Assad has had no conscience about killing his own people for 6 years, so it is easy enough to believe he would use chemical weapons on them.

[Livia]

Assad has had no conscience about killing his own people for 6 years, so it is easy enough to believe he would use chemical weapons on them.

I agree. He's a dictator, plain and simple.

[Kizzy]

You were judged for your words. You called a whole section of humanity "pigs".

To my mind, that loses you the right to talk down to others and say who should or shouldn't enter a debate.

It doesn't lose anyone anything, if it was any other section other than the collective that you have chosen to defend there would be no issue.

That aside I wouldn't sat DR had talked down to anyone, or suggested who should or shouldn't enter the debate...
I get it you don't like the western pigs analogy, but seriously if you think that negates anything else you're deluded.

[Brillopad]

I get it you don't like the western pigs analogy, but seriously if you think that negates anything else you're deluded.

I'ts an analogy that demonstrates a particular mindset and very hostile bias against the West. It spoke volumes. Seriously, if you think it doesn't negate anything you're the deluded one.

[Withano]

I'ts an analogy that demonstrates a particular mindset and very hostile bias against the West. It spoke volumes. Seriously, if you think it doesn't negate anything you're the deluded one.

"I know you are but what am I?"

[Brillopad]

"I know you are but what am I?"

Brownie points for your self-awareness.

[Tom4784]

Brownie points for your self-awareness.

The irony.

[Withano]

Brownie points for your self-awareness.

You'll get there some day :)

[Brillopad]

You'll get there some day :)

If you say so. :joker:

[Brillopad]

The irony.

Says the expert!!!

Bye boys, I'll leave you to your games.

[Withano]

Says the expert!!!

Bye boys, I'll leave you to your games.

Its ironic that in response to me quoting your "i know you are but what am i" catchphrase, you replied with "i know you are but what am i"
Why must i explain everything

[Kizzy]

I'ts an analogy that demonstrates a particular mindset and very hostile bias against the West. It spoke volumes. Seriously, if you think it doesn't negate anything you're the deluded one.

I wish I had blind faith and scales for eyes... Unfortunately I don't.

Do you think it makes you more patriotic to close your eyes and stick your fingers in your ears and berate others for daring to question the decisions of the UK government?
It doesn't, it makes you for me less, as how we are perceived by the rest of the world should be something to be proud of... I'm not proud, every day I'm getting less proud.
The British are resilient, good humoured and fair... recent govts are not, they do not represent us.

We are power hungry bomb peddlers with our noses in the trough of war!
You can warble 'god save the queen' and wave your little flag, but without a degree of acknowledgement it's a total sham.

[Brillopad]

I wish I had blind faith and scales for eyes... Unfortunately I don't.

Do you think it makes you more patriotic to close your eyes and stick your fingers in your ears and berate others for daring to question the decisions of the UK government?
It doesn't, it makes you for me less, as how we are perceived by the rest of the world should be something to be proud of... I'm not proud, every day I'm getting less proud.
The British are resilient, good humoured and fair... recent govts are not, they do not represent us.

We are power hungry bomb peddlers with our noses in the trough of war!
You can warble 'god save the queen' and wave your little flag, but without a degree of acknowledgement it's a total sham.

Sit there with my fingers in my ears, really, you do go off on a tangent. I question the UK government on many occasions and have pretty much detested some of our priministers i.e. Blair and Cameron and many of their policies over the years, like most, but it seems to me you are blaming May et al for Brexit when they are only doing what the the people wanted. They are therefore representing many of us, just not everyone - that's what public votes are about, you can't please everyone all of the time.

Let's get things in perspective shall we it's not the West that are the warmongers it's the Middle East - they are always at war with someone. There are times when the West have to intervene - whatever you personal reasons on why they do so. What's the point in having rules about the use of chemical weapons if, when abused, nothing is done - can you imagine what would happen if these idiots had nuclear power. Someone has to act. Are you happy for the world to stand by and do nothing when such atrocities are committed. Beggars belief.

Sounds to me that, despite your constant whining about the West doing little to help these countries, when it comes to them doing something you fear may actually affect you you sing a different tune. Let's just stand by with our fingers in our ears then shall we. Or is it because it's Trump that made that decision that you can't digest.

For the record I am not a supporter of royalty and have often questioned their value to Britain as a whole. I can see pros and cons but feel they get too much money and should pay their own way more - so once again more of your ridiculous assumptions.

[jaxie]

I think you have to ask yourself if any country did not plan to use chemical weapons why would they have them. Assad has admitted he had them. I think it is win at any cost with this regime and they think they are beyond the law with Russia backing them with their arms and veto.

[Northern Monkey]

I don't think you can say 100% without any investigation or evidence.Yes Assad has chemical weapons but then so do the 'rebels' supposedly.
The Russians keep calling for an investigation but the US seem reluctant.
I wouldn't like to commit either way.
Both sides have track records for lying.
It could've been a stockpile that got bombed or it could've been dropped by Assad or it could've been one of these many terror groups who call themselves rebels that we back.Who knows?

[jaxie]

I don't think you can say 100% without any investigation or evidence.Yes Assad has chemical weapons but then so do the 'rebels' supposedly.
The Russians keep calling for an investigation but the US seem reluctant.
I wouldn't like to commit either way.
Both sides have track records for lying.
It could've been a stockpile that got bombed or it could've been dropped by Assad or it could've been one of these many terror groups who call themselves rebels that we back.Who knows?

But then Russia just veto's the draft un resolution calling for an investigation. :shrug:

[Livia]

Pull out of the Middle East, leave them to it.... and never intervene again.

[Tozzie]

We all can only speculate because no one of us really knows the truth because of propaganda, we just don't know what to believe but as I see it Assad is an evil man who thought nothing of having thousands killed who were protesting against his regime so why wouldn't we believe he is responsible for the gassing off all those people. Back in 2013 he allegedly used chemical weapons so he could have been responsible for this gassing too. He is a very angry man and I believe he wants all those against him to be killed.

[Toy Soldier]

Pull out of the Middle East, leave them to it.... and never intervene again.

I'm inclined to agree. Not because I think it's "none of our business" or that the west hasn't CAUSED a lot of the problems in the middle east... but simply because we never, ever seem to make any of it any better. Always worse.

[Northern Monkey]

Pull out of the Middle East, leave them to it.... and never intervene again.

I agree.Let Islam slaughter itself.The only thing that's going to change that religion is evolution and its not happening any time soon.
When they've killed each other for long enough they'll start to learn.

[Kizzy]

Sit there with my fingers in my ears, really, you do go off on a tangent. I question the UK government on many occasions and have pretty much detested some of our priministers i.e. Blair and Cameron and many of their policies over the years, like most, but it seems to me you are blaming May et al for Brexit when they are only doing what the the people wanted. They are therefore representing many of us, just not everyone - that's what public votes are about, you can't please everyone all of the time.

Let's get things in perspective shall we it's not the West that are the warmongers it's the Middle East - they are always at war with someone. There are times when the West have to intervene - whatever you personal reasons on why they do so. What's the point in having rules about the use of chemical weapons if, when abused, nothing is done - can you imagine what would happen if these idiots had nuclear power. Someone has to act. Are you happy for the world to stand by and do nothing when such atrocities are committed. Beggars belief.

Sounds to me that, despite your constant whining about the West doing little to help these countries, when it comes to them doing something you fear may actually affect you you sing a different tune. Let's just stand by with our fingers in our ears then shall we. Or is it because it's Trump that made that decision that you can't digest.

For the record I am not a supporter of royalty and have often questioned their value to Britain as a whole. I can see pros and cons but feel they get too much money and should pay their own way more - so once again more of your ridiculous assumptions.

If there are rules about the use of chemical weapons why did we sell this country the very chemicals used in the weapon?... We have blood on our hands, you can remain as ignorant as you like, just don't expect everyone to.