Sharia in the UK ~ Leeds 29th March 2017

[Northern Monkey]

Q&A

Discuss points raised

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[Withano]

Point one: should their toilets be closer to the hall? Yes imo. Very impractical.

[jaxie]

Q. Is segregation ok if it's religious and based on your sex and not based on colour of skin.

A. No, segregation is never ok. We are all equals under the law of the land.

Ride the bus ladies, ride the bus.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rosa_Parks

[Cherie]

Is that Kizzy in the middle :fan:


Insert Christian in the video this thread would be 20 pages long it never ceases to amaze me how people make exception for what happens within the laws of Islam that would be abhorred in any other.

[Cherie]

I would take issue with his claim that sharia patrols in high viz vests are patrolling some London areas though, I think this was a one off occurrence in Whitechapel that was dealt with by police.

[Niamh.]

Can't watch this right now but I would strongly object to any law other than the law of the land being enforced here or in the UK.

[Withano]

Insert Christian in the video this thread would be 20 pages long it never ceases to amaze me how people make exception

I cant speak for every tibb member, but for me personally, I wasnt expecting a 20 page thread because the video is 67 minutes long, and the first 5 mins alone were mind numbingly boring.
Maybe you could give us a few bullet points of the points that were raised Cherie, considering you watched it all

[Livia]

Sharia Law, if it is to exist in the UK, must be in line with the law of the land.

Jewish courts have been in existance for ages, they deal mostly with civil and matrimonial disputes and they cannot come to a decision which breaks the law of the country they're in.

[Tom4784]

Sharia Law isn't legally binding in the UK and it never will be.

[Brillopad]

Is that Kizzy in the middle :fan:


Insert Christian in the video this thread would be 20 pages long it never ceases to amaze me how people make exception for what happens within the laws of Islam that would be abhorred in any other.


Spot on Cherie!

[the truth]

people are scared cowed and bullied by it

[Cherie]

I cant speak for every tibb member, but for me personally, I wasnt expecting a 20 page thread because the video is 67 minutes long, and the first 5 mins alone were mind numbingly boring.
Maybe you could give us a few bullet points of the points that were raised Cherie, considering you watched it all

Where did I say I watched it all? I watched some of it Ann Marie needed a mic or I might be going deaf

[Withano]

Where did I say I watched it all? I watched some of it Ann Marie needed a mic or I might be going deaf

It's just that you claimed everybody was uninterested in this 67 minute video because of the exceptions that they made, so I assumed you did something to different to those you were trying to mock.

[Ronald.]

I keep reading this as Shania and think she has announce uk tour dates. I'd love to see her live. R.

[Cherie]

It's just that you claimed everybody was uninterested in this 67 minute video because of the exceptions that they made, so I assumed you did something to different to those you were trying to mock.

I made an observation, if you want to see that as mocking I can't do anything about it

[Cherie]

I keep reading this as Shania and think she has announce uk tour dates. I'd love to see her live. R.

:joker:

[DemolitionRed]

I stopped the video at the point where Anne Marie declared the UK as the only nation in Europe that allows Sharia councils. Why would she say such nonsense when there are Sharia councils in Germany, Sweden, Holland, Denmark and other European countries? I can only presume these people are preaching on British naivety.

They also seem to be implying that Sharia Law within Britain is new. Shariah Law in the UK was implemented back in the 1950’s when the British government encouraged a lot of Muslims to come and labour in this country. The British government put Shariah Law in place so that these new workers could preserve their sacred law and feel accepted.

[DemolitionRed]

All they really do is arbitration tribunals, which deal with anything from family or business disputes to mundane and banal daily issues. Another thing Sharia law allows is religious considerations over the way meat is slaughtered. Every court must have a British registered lawyer in attendance with a scholar of Islamic law and so if it seeps outside the box, the lawyer always has authority over the religious scholar.

[Withano]

I made an observation, if you want to see that as mocking I can't do anything about it

The only point you discussed was high vis jackets, which would never be worth 20 pages on tibb in my opinion, so I'm struggling to see the parallel you were trying to make. Was there a different aspect of the short section you watched that would be worth a 20 page discussion under a different title?

[Northern Monkey]

All they really do is arbitration tribunals, which deal with anything from family or business disputes to mundane and banal daily issues. Another thing Sharia law allows is religious considerations over the way meat is slaughtered. Every court must have a British registered lawyer in attendance with a scholar of Islamic law and so if it seeps outside the box, the lawyer always has authority over the religious scholar.

Don't forget allowing a husband to divorce his wife by saying "I divorce you" three times and leaving her pennyless and on the street cos she was never aloud to work and encouraging physical punishment if the wife misbehaves.
How does the wife get divorced if she's unhappy?
"A Muslim woman may petition a qadi, or in non-Islamic areas an Islamic community panel, to grant her divorce if the husband refuses. The waiting period (iddah) of a woman who seeks a divorce is one menstrual cycle or one month if she is post-menopauseal, i.e. ceased menstruating."

[Niamh.]

Don't forget allowing a husband to divorce his wife by saying "I divorce you" three times and leaving her pennyless and on the street cos she was never aloud to work and encouraging physical punishment if the wife misbehaves.
How does the wife get divorced if she's unhappy?
"A Muslim woman may petition a qadi, or in non-Islamic areas an Islamic community panel, to grant her divorce if the husband refuses. The waiting period (iddah) of a woman who seeks a divorce is one menstrual cycle or one month if she is post-menopauseal, i.e. ceased menstruating."

ffs :/

[Northern Monkey]

Or she can just give back her dowry(or pay for divorce)

[Toy Soldier]

NM have you swallowed a Daily Mail?

[Northern Monkey]

NM have you swallowed a Daily Mail?

Nope,It was Farages love custard

[DemolitionRed]

Don't forget allowing a husband to divorce his wife by saying "I divorce you" three times and leaving her pennyless and on the street cos she was never aloud to work and encouraging physical punishment if the wife misbehaves.
How does the wife get divorced if she's unhappy?
"A Muslim woman may petition a qadi, or in non-Islamic areas an Islamic community panel, to grant her divorce if the husband refuses. The waiting period (iddah) of a woman who seeks a divorce is one menstrual cycle or one month if she is post-menopauseal, i.e. ceased menstruating."

Talaq (Muslim divorce) isn't recognised in the UK unless the divorce took place out of this country. They have to go through normal UK proceedings for a decree absolute and then if they wish, they can go to a Sharia court for a Talaq. Its the same with marriage. Many Muslims in the UK have what's called a Nikah ceremony but this isn't recognized as a marriage under British law and so if a Talaq goes ahead after a Nikah marriage, as far as English law is concerned, the couple were merely cohabiting.

[Cherie]

The only point you discussed was high vis jackets, which would never be worth 20 pages on tibb in my opinion, so I'm struggling to see the parallel you were trying to make. Was there a different aspect of the short section you watched that would be worth a 20 page discussion under a different title?

if you are struggling then I can't help you understand my point, given Brillo got it immediately I think it's fairly obvious :hee:

[DemolitionRed]

NM have you swallowed a Daily Mail?

In fairness to NM, his debating skills are pretty decent.

[Northern Monkey]

Talaq (Muslim divorce) isn't recognised in the UK unless the divorce took place out of this country. They have to go through normal UK proceedings for a decree absolute and then if they wish, they can go to a Sharia court for a Talaq. Its the same with marriage. Many Muslims in the UK have what's called a Nikah ceremony but this isn't recognized as a marriage under British law and so if a Talaq goes ahead after a Nikah marriage, as far as English law is concerned, the couple were merely cohabiting.
Yeah but how many of them even operate under UK law.Many will just get a Sharia divorce then an Islamic marriage and carry on.

[Northern Monkey]

In fairness to NM, his debating skills are pretty decent.

Thank you.I am a master(de)baiter

[DemolitionRed]

Yeah but how many of them even operate under UK law.Many will just get a Sharia divorce then an Islamic marriage and carry on.

More fool them. Legally married foreign couples in the UK have more rights than couples who cohabit. This is no different to Brits who get married on a choral island out in the Pacific. If they don't do things according to British law, then British law will not step in as their protectorate when the **** hits the fan.

[Northern Monkey]

More fool them. Legally married foreign couples in the UK have more rights than couples who cohabit. This is no different to Brits who get married on a choral island out in the Pacific. If they don't do things according to British law, then British law will not step in as their protectorate when the **** hits the fan.

Hence why women get treated the way they do in those communities.
They're a law unto themselves.

[DemolitionRed]

Thank you.I am a master(de)baiter

Stands well back!

[Withano]

if you are struggling then I can't help you understand my point, given Brillo got it immediately I think it's fairly obvious :hee:

Brillo either also thought it was Kizzy in the video or that you were trying to mock members of forum for being inconsistent though, and you already suggested you never intended on mocking anybody. So something doesnt add up.

[DemolitionRed]

Hence why women get treated the way they do in those communities.
They're a law unto themselves.

They probably have very little knowledge of their civil rights within a British marriage. If all they have ever know is Sharia law, to them a Nikah marriage is
the real thing.

Under Sharia law, a divorced woman can normally keep her child until the age of seven and then that child must be handed over to the father. In the UK though, regardless of a Nikah marriage or a Talaq divorce, British law will decide who should keep full or part custody of the children... Sharia courts have no power over this.

[Northern Monkey]

They probably have very little knowledge of their civil rights within a British marriage. If all they have ever know is Sharia law, to them a Nikah marriage is
the real thing.

Under Sharia law, a divorced woman can normally keep her child until the age of seven and then that child must be handed over to the father. In the UK though, regardless of a Nikah marriage or a Talaq divorce, British law will decide who should keep full or part custody of the children... Sharia courts have no power over this.

Legally no.However i have seen something recently-ish where a woman was having alot of trouble getting her kids back.Can't remember where i saw it.She had UK lawyers involved.There was one lawyer who deals with this stuff all the time and was saying how hard it can be.
Infact it might be in an old thread on here.

[Cherie]

Brillo either also thought it was Kizzy in the video or that you were trying to mock members of forum for being inconsistent though, and you already suggested you never intended on mocking anybody. So something doesnt add up.

I'd give up now before you get brain ache!

[Northern Monkey]

Here you go
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[Withano]

I'd give up now before you get brain ache!

I'm giving up to avoid more of your negativity. On some mocking spree today, you.

[Cherie]

I'm giving up to avoid more of your negativity. On some mocking spree today, you.

Good call

[MB.]

I keep reading this as Shania and think she has announce uk tour dates. I'd love to see her live. R.

:joker:

[Withano]

Good call

The confusion you have for the infractions and bans of other members are slowly starting to make sense after seeing the behaviour you've shown in this thread.

[DemolitionRed]

@NM: Hmm, unregulated, unauthorized and little accountability. It sounds like many of these courts simply aren't working in favour of the women. I'm glad there are people working and campaigning for a better system of divorce under Sharia law.

There are clearly problems that need sorting out. What frustrates me is the general misunderstanding of what Sharia law is when its used within Britain. Its not criminal law and regardless of the obvious problems with it, it does not and never can work in parallel with English law.

[Brillopad]

The confusion you have for the infractions and bans of other members are slowly starting to make sense after seeing the behaviour you've shown in this thread.

You're the one who sounds confused to me. :nono: