Where do we draw the line with open border/Political correctness

[the truth]

Now the left and corbyn love to protest against the mean establishment

the establishment is always criticized as those old Christian white men who have ruined us and the world for centuries etc

Always so simple to criticize those who have been in charge

OK so the left get into power and the country falls to pieces..ok we have gay marriage which is good and banned fox hunting, a pretty pathetic sum total for their 13 years in power .now we have the rich serving upper class elite running the show again


Now the left are back to protesting everything and taking the sanctimonious high ground, which they somehow feel entitled too, usually because they are willing to waste public money to appear kind and generous

My question to the politically correct, is if you are ruling the country, where do you draw the line with political correctness and open borders freedom of religious choices etc?

When 10 million population rose in 15 years...The left ignored the effect this had..Yes they point to the fact most immigrants work...But they constantly ignored the fact this drove wages down for the less educated and it take take away the manual jobs. Ok the left says people here wont do them, after a massive rise in benefits and absurd benefits rules, these people couldnt afford to risk going to work. So the left disincentivised people from taking manual jobs, then opened the borders and they didnt see a problem coming. anyone who questioned the masterplan was labelled racist by labour. as they passed 1000s of new laws eroiding free speech and civil rights


Ok so where does it end? When we see more and more islamic schools, more schools exposed as forcing this religion on their pupils....when we see more sharia law here? The set of beliefs for the hardline fundamentalists appear to not be open to compromise with some of our laws and cultures....At what point do we ever actually say , this is what we believe, this is the line past which we cannot cross? Or do the left in particular simply want to see us with different laws for different groups of people , lest we forget there are also laws for travellers....

I just cant figure out the left and their masterplan? To enslave us to the whims of globalization, do nothing for local people? nothing for industrial jobs? To bankrupt local councils with meteoric wage rises? to preach aboiut political correctness at home, yet bomb illegally abroad? and to give up whats left of the country to an unelected anti-democratic unaccounted european union which simply serves us up to the corporations on a plate?

While all this is going on all corbyn talks about is grammar schools and workers rights....workers rights become almost meaningless if the entire world is controlled by price fixing corporate cartels with politicians in their pockets. Where are the monopolies commissions to limit this frightening global takeover

the last irony of all , much of the left and the liberals support the EU it seems in these negotiations, saying yes its right they charge us £60 billion. If you leave a club you must pay £60 billion 1) why didnt they mention that in their campaign 2) if we should pay to join or leave, why shouldnt people who arrive to the UK pay into the pot for a period of time in order to qualify for everything the same as everyone else? Why didnt labour deal with that? Even claiming back travel insurance has been overlooked by our NHS for years....Not to forget that NHS trusts fail to recoup private home care insurance in many cases. wasting us billions overall

[jennyjuniper]

I agree wholeheartedly with this Truth.

[thesheriff443]

The road to hell is paved with good intentions!.

Lee rigbys killer has been moved to broadmoor, that will cost the tax payer 250 thousand a year.

A family friend who is a junkie just got 7 grand as a back payment he blew the lot in two weeks, he gets 600 a fortnight to blow on drink and drugs, lives rent free in a bungalow with other junkies and they have someone cooking them meals 7 days a week.

And yet disabled people are being tortured into work.

Doctors cut of an arm to to save the body.

[DemolitionRed]

What was the question?

[the truth]

What was the question?
ah the classic new labour fall back position, avoid the facts duck the truth, play dumb and hope no one notices

[Withano]

I think it was LT that said "if you cant make your point in 100 words, you've probably missed it"

[the truth]

I think it was LT that said "if you cant make your point in 100 words, you've probably missed it"

the question is in the title, 9 words
good attempt to avoid the question though

[Withano]

Now the left and corbyn love to protest against the mean establishment

Like right off the bat this is inaccurate, which might explain the very few responses. The only political party led protests that I can remember being carried out recently were by right wing parties like EDL and Britain First. The anti-establishment vote went to UKIP, another right wing party. Odd.

the establishment is always criticized as those old Christian white men who have ruined us and the world for centuries etc

Always so simple to criticize those who have been in charge

Literally never heard anybody criticise it this way.

OK so the left get into power and the country falls to pieces..ok we have gay marriage which is good and banned fox hunting, a pretty pathetic sum total for their 13 years in power .now we have the rich serving upper class elite running the show again

Are you calling tories left wing too? This is very hard to keep up with. Your personal definition of left wingedness would be helpful please.

Now the left are back to protesting everything and taking the sanctimonious high ground, which they somehow feel entitled too, usually because they are willing to waste public money to appear kind and generous

The only large marches that I can remember recently included both left and right wing people, which is why your personal definition of left wingedness would be helpful if you want people to respond. The only small protests I can remember were entirely right wing. I think this is more confirmation bias than anything else, you should work on this.

My question to the politically correct, is if you are ruling the country, where do you draw the line with political correctness and open borders freedom of religious choices etc?

Who is suggesting change? A country without any political correctness would be incredibly dark, I'm sure youre not suggesting that. A world with more political correctness sounds like it would be snowflakier than this post of yours, cant imagine many would want that. I dont think change is a priority, or at all needed? What changes are you proposing? And are all right wing proposing the same change in your opinion?

When 10 million population rose in 15 years...The left ignored the effect this had..Yes they point to the fact most immigrants work...But they constantly ignored the fact this drove wages down for the less educated and it take take away the manual jobs.

Are you suggesting all right wing people are uneducated and do the manual jobs, thats entirely inaccurate and a bit rude. We'll skip this point, I dont think youve thought about it.

Ok the left says people here wont do them, after a massive rise in benefits and absurd benefits rules, these people couldnt afford to risk going to work. So the left disincentivised people from taking manual jobs, then opened the borders and they didnt see a problem coming. anyone who questioned the masterplan was labelled racist by labour. as they passed 1000s of new laws eroiding free speech and civil rights

I think most of this only went on in your head, you should work on this.

Ok so where does it end? When we see more and more islamic schools, more schools exposed as forcing this religion on their pupils....

I went to a Catholic school, I didnt see it as an evil institution despite the bible being the most violent book in religious history. Thats probably because the school would have been shut down if children didnt learn the alphabet or the school didnt abide by the national curriculum. I think this requires more thought on your part. There will always be a demand for catholic schools, so it wouldnt make sense to shut them.

when we see more sharia law here? The set of beliefs for the hardline fundamentalists appear to not be open to compromise with some of our laws and cultures....

Simply paranoia, you should work on this

At what point do we ever actually say , this is what we believe, this is the line past which we cannot cross? Or do the left in particular simply want to see us with different laws for different groups of people , lest we forget there are also laws for travellers....

I think with things like this we should look at it from the perspective of actual reality, you should do this too.

I just cant figure out the left and their masterplan?

Do all right wing people share the same masterplan? No? Why would you presume all left wing people share a masterplan (again, your definition of left wingedness might be helpful, i have a feeling you mean everyone apart from UKIP, EDL, and Britain First - and the country, quite unanimously opposes a lot of their policies, so in that sense, perhaps thats the masterplan, less facism in general? Idk, this is ridiculous, I dont know why Im humouring you, it didnt seem like such a big task when I started)

To enslave us to the whims of globalization, do nothing for local people? nothing for industrial jobs? To bankrupt local councils with meteoric wage rises? to preach aboiut political correctness at home, yet bomb illegally abroad? and to give up whats left of the country to an unelected anti-democratic unaccounted european union which simply serves us up to the corporations on a plate?

Perspective of reality, and less paranoia I suppose are your take home messages from me.

While all this is going on all corbyn talks about is grammar schools and workers rights....workers rights become almost meaningless if the entire world is controlled by price fixing corporate cartels with politicians in their pockets. Where are the monopolies commissions to limit this frightening global takeover

This seems like a different point, one directed by paranoia, you should work on this

the last irony of all , much of the left and the liberals support the EU it seems in these negotiations, saying yes its right they charge us £60 billion. If you leave a club you must pay £60 billion 1) why didnt they mention that in their campaign 2) if we should pay to join or leave, why shouldnt people who arrive to the UK pay into the pot for a period of time in order to qualify for everything the same as everyone else? Why didnt labour deal with that? Even claiming back travel insurance has been overlooked by our NHS for years....Not to forget that NHS trusts fail to recoup private home care insurance in many cases. wasting us billions overall

I really need your personal definition of left wingedness to answer any of this. Labour literally technically arent left wing, and the tories definitely arent lol? If I were you, and if I wanted to discuss any of these points with anybody, I'd probably clarify your personal definition of left wing at the top of your OP. it seems like you're bringing up right and left wing issues, actually just every issue that youve ever had, but blaming only the left.. which doesnt make sense under the literal definition of left wing.

[jaxie]

Interesting to read your thoughts Truth. Thanks for sharing.

[Brillopad]

Now the left and corbyn love to protest against the mean establishment

the establishment is always criticized as those old Christian white men who have ruined us and the world for centuries etc

Always so simple to criticize those who have been in charge

OK so the left get into power and the country falls to pieces..ok we have gay marriage which is good and banned fox hunting, a pretty pathetic sum total for their 13 years in power .now we have the rich serving upper class elite running the show again


Now the left are back to protesting everything and taking the sanctimonious high ground, which they somehow feel entitled too, usually because they are willing to waste public money to appear kind and generous

My question to the politically correct, is if you are ruling the country, where do you draw the line with political correctness and open borders freedom of religious choices etc?

When 10 million population rose in 15 years...The left ignored the effect this had..Yes they point to the fact most immigrants work...But they constantly ignored the fact this drove wages down for the less educated and it take take away the manual jobs. Ok the left says people here wont do them, after a massive rise in benefits and absurd benefits rules, these people couldnt afford to risk going to work. So the left disincentivised people from taking manual jobs, then opened the borders and they didnt see a problem coming. anyone who questioned the masterplan was labelled racist by labour. as they passed 1000s of new laws eroiding free speech and civil rights


Ok so where does it end? When we see more and more islamic schools, more schools exposed as forcing this religion on their pupils....when we see more sharia law here? The set of beliefs for the hardline fundamentalists appear to not be open to compromise with some of our laws and cultures....At what point do we ever actually say , this is what we believe, this is the line past which we cannot cross? Or do the left in particular simply want to see us with different laws for different groups of people , lest we forget there are also laws for travellers....

I just cant figure out the left and their masterplan? To enslave us to the whims of globalization, do nothing for local people? nothing for industrial jobs? To bankrupt local councils with meteoric wage rises? to preach aboiut political correctness at home, yet bomb illegally abroad? and to give up whats left of the country to an unelected anti-democratic unaccounted european union which simply serves us up to the corporations on a plate?

While all this is going on all corbyn talks about is grammar schools and workers rights....workers rights become almost meaningless if the entire world is controlled by price fixing corporate cartels with politicians in their pockets. Where are the monopolies commissions to limit this frightening global takeover

the last irony of all , much of the left and the liberals support the EU it seems in these negotiations, saying yes its right they charge us £60 billion. If you leave a club you must pay £60 billion 1) why didnt they mention that in their campaign 2) if we should pay to join or leave, why shouldnt people who arrive to the UK pay into the pot for a period of time in order to qualify for everything the same as everyone else? Why didnt labour deal with that? Even claiming back travel insurance has been overlooked by our NHS for years....Not to forget that NHS trusts fail to recoup private home care insurance in many cases. wasting us billions overall

They are incapable of drawing a line, something they have demonstrated time and time again. It's almost as if it is some kind of competition that each generation needs to prove it's superiority when it comes to empathy and compassion.

Every generation will make it's mistakes and hopefully learn from them - we have to hope this generation can do the same before they do too much damage. In the meantime the rest of us us have to fight the good fight.

[the truth]

Like right off the bat this is inaccurate, which might explain the very few responses. The only political party led protests that I can remember being carried out recently were by right wing parties like EDL and Britain First. The anti-establishment vote went to UKIP, another right wing party. Odd.



Literally never heard anybody criticise it this way.

lol You have got to be kidding me, its repeated day after day ad nauseum


Are you calling tories left wing too? This is very hard to keep up with. Your personal definition of left wingedness would be helpful please.

Thats right play dumb


The only large marches that I can remember recently included both left and right wing people, which is why your personal definition of left wingedness would be helpful if you want people to respond. The only small protests I can remember were entirely right wing. I think this is more confirmation bias than anything else, you should work on this.


Again that is totally wrong, the left protest marches are endless , they often chant 1 meaningless sloga, fail to put across a cohesive argument and simply try and intimidate and bully in numbers or in unions. It was labout who signed the doctors contract allowing 90% of gp's to avoid all out of hours work. This created the current junior doctors disaster, yet no one in labour acknowledged this FACT. They isntead do their marches, ignore the truth and basically go back to default smug, holier than thou , sanctimonious deluded mode. oh and the hospitals were filtier under them, chief execs and management wages doubled, abuses rose, endless cover ups, systematic bullying, mrsa etc etc etc

Who is suggesting change? A country without any political correctness would be incredibly dark, I'm sure youre not suggesting that. A world with more political correctness sounds like it would be snowflakier than this post of yours, cant imagine many would want that. I dont think change is a priority, or at all needed? What changes are you proposing? And are all right wing proposing the same change in your opinion?


Meaningless paragraph. Answer the actual questions stop squirming

Are you suggesting all right wing people are uneducated and do the manual jobs, thats entirely inaccurate and a bit rude. We'll skip this point, I dont think youve thought about it.

What nonsense

I think most of this only went on in your head, you should work on this.

delusion and avoidance as usual

I went to a Catholic school, I didnt see it as an evil institution despite the bible being the most violent book in religious history. Thats probably because the school would have been shut down if children didnt learn the alphabet or the school didnt abide by the national curriculum. I think this requires more thought on your part. There will always be a demand for catholic schools, so it wouldnt make sense to shut them.


The Bible tells stories some of which are violent as in everyday life, violence exists, so youre point is again non existent
Simply paranoia, you should work on this

You should work on your fickleness and your delusion



I think with things like this we should look at it from the perspective of actual reality, you should do this too.

You dont thats why youre on the left


Do all right wing people share the same masterplan? No? Why would you presume all left wing people share a masterplan (again, your definition of left wingedness might be helpful, i have a feeling you mean everyone apart from UKIP, EDL, and Britain First - and the country, quite unanimously opposes a lot of their policies, so in that sense, perhaps thats the masterplan, less facism in general? Idk, this is ridiculous, I dont know why Im humouring you, it didnt seem like such a big task when I started)

Youre ridiculous and youre avoiding the question, Ive no idea why Im humouring a poster incapable of sincerity



Perspective of reality, and less paranoia I suppose are your take home messages from me.

Take your own messages
This seems like a different point, one directed by paranoia, you should work on this



I really need your personal definition of left wingedness to answer any of this. Labour literally technically arent left wing, and the tories definitely arent lol? If I were you, and if I wanted to discuss any of these points with anybody, I'd probably clarify your personal definition of left wing at the top of your OP. it seems like you're bringing up right and left wing issues, actually just every issue that youve ever had, but blaming only the left.. which doesnt make sense under the literal definition of left wing.

Sad and deluded and totally avoided all points intitally made and as always you ducked the actual question in spineless fashion to try and play to the liberal audience:nono:

[Withano]

Sad and deluded and totally avoided all points intitally made and as always you ducked the actual question in spineless fashion to try and play to the liberal audience:nono:

Your points were unclear and senseless, I answered them as best as I could.

Your main question for the post (somehow, you brought up a lot of irrelevant external points) was where is the line on PC. My followup question was who is trying to move the line? Are you? I'm not, and I don't know any left wing person that is. Does this answer the question? Lines fine as it is.

Also, you never defined your idea of left wingedness, so I cant comment on your followup points. You mentioned gay marriage, which was brought in by tories, you brought up he effects of Brexit which was directed by the tories, and you suggested that these are things that the left have brought. Do you consider the conservative party to be left wing? That would explain why you think that only the left participate in the larger protests, but then again, including the conservatives as left, as well as anybody more left than this accounts for like 80% of the country, so its not much of a point to discuss. I dont understand what you consider to be left wing, so nobody can really comment on any of your points thus far.

[the truth]

Your points were unclear and senseless, I answered them as best as I could.

Your main question for the post (somehow, you brought up a lot of irrelevant external points) was where is the line on PC. My followup question was who is trying to move the line? Are you? I'm not, and I don't know any left wing person that is. Does this answer the question? Lines fine as it is.

Also, you never defined your idea of left wingedness, so I cant comment on your followup points. You mentioned gay marriage, which was brought in by tories, you brought up he effects of Brexit which was directed by the tories, and you suggested that these are things that the left have brought. Do you consider the conservative party to be left wing? That would explain why you think that only the left participate in the larger parties, but then again, including the conservatives as left, as well as anybody more left than this accounts for like 80% of the country, so its not much of a point to discuss. I dont understand what you consider to be left wing, so nobody can really comment on any of your points thus far.

yet again youre being insincere and trolling and of course avoiding the question. Its oh so predictable , fake and boring. Its pointless discussing with someone like you who simply wont address the actual thread. So I wont.

[Withano]

I literally answered the main question multiple times, and most of your other questions once. Your comprehension skills need a polish young man.

[the truth]

I literally answered the main question multiple times, and most of your other questions once. Your comprehension skills need a polish young man.

You didnt you avoided it in the most cowardly of fashions boy

[Withano]

You didnt you avoided it in the most cowardly of fashions boy



Who is suggesting change? A country without any political correctness would be incredibly dark, I'm sure youre not suggesting that. A world with more political correctness sounds like it would be snowflakier than this post of yours, cant imagine many would want that. I dont think change is a priority, or at all needed? What changes are you proposing? And are all right wing proposing the same change in your opinion?
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Your main question for the post (somehow, you brought up a lot of irrelevant external points) was where is the line on PC. My followup question was who is trying to move the line? Are you? I'm not, and I don't know any left wing person that is. Does this answer the question? Lines fine as it is.
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I answered your main question twice in this thread, best friend. Its just that you're too tired to read it or sumin.
I also answered other questions that you had. Your response to them was baffling, but I should have saw the possibility of you only wanting praise and not discussions coming.
Enough with the insults there too, wouldnt want to get yourself a ban there.

[the truth]

I answered your main question twice in this thread, best friend. Its just that you're too tired to read it or sumin.
I also answered other questions that you had. Your response to them was baffling, but I should have saw the possibility of you only wanting praise and not discussions coming.
Enough with the insults there too, wouldnt want to get yourself a ban there.

No didnt you just trolled and the mods let you?

[smudgie]

I personally draw it at common sense.

[user104658]

I personally draw it at common sense.
But common sense is oh-so uncommon...

[Brillopad]

But common sense is oh-so uncommon...

Trigger points and safe spaces = no common sense

Uni's need to stop this nonsense and get on with the process of teaching and preparing these ultra-sensitive individuals for the real world.

[Beso]

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Default Where do we draw the line with open border/Political correctness




About 28 miles back from where it is now.

[Withano]

Trigger points and safe spaces = no common sense

Uni's need to stop this nonsense and get on with the process of teaching and preparing these ultra-sensitive individuals for the real world.

"I dEMAND A SAFE SPACE TO PROTECT ME FROM UNIVERSITYS SAFE SPACES"

[DemolitionRed]

Trigger points and safe spaces = no common sense

Uni's need to stop this nonsense and get on with the process of teaching and preparing these ultra-sensitive individuals for the real world.

Truth is a good example of needing a safe space because anyone who contradicts what he says has a trigger effect :hehe:

[DemolitionRed]

What really gets me with all this PC is a left wing thing is, why do so many right wing thinkers on here hit report when someone says something they consider none pc? That's a genuine question by the way. I've never met so many sensitive souls on a debate channel before.

[Brillopad]

What really gets me with all this PC is a left wing thing is, why do so many right wing thinkers on here hit report when someone says something they consider none pc? That's a genuine question by the way. I've never met so many sensitive souls on a debate channel before.

I think you'll find it's more the left leaners pushing that button than anyone else. What evidence do you have that it's the 'right thinkers'- just because they complain of their annoyance at some trying to label them as bigots etc doesn't equate to them using the report button.

My experience and of others I have spoken to it is the left thinkers more inclined to report people for trivial things - hence why more 'right thinkers' get banned.

[DemolitionRed]

I think you'll find it's more the left leaners pushing that button than anyone else. What evidence do you have that it's the 'right thinkers'- just because they complain of their annoyance at some trying to label them as bigots etc doesn't equate to them using the report button.

My experience and of others I have spoken to it is the left thinkers more inclined to report people for trivial things - hence why more 'right thinkers' get banned.

The amount of posts I've had deleted? certainly too many to count.

[Brillopad]

The amount of posts I've had deleted? certainly too many to count.

Believe me that works both ways. I used to get quite annoyed at posts of mine being removed that I felt were not offensive, but not so bothered now.

[user104658]

I think you'll find it's more the left leaners pushing that button than anyone else. What evidence do you have that it's the 'right thinkers'- just because they complain of their annoyance at some trying to label them as bigots etc doesn't equate to them using the report button.

My experience and of others I have spoken to it is the left thinkers more inclined to report people for trivial things - hence why more 'right thinkers' get banned.
Alternatively, not all that many reports are made at all. The mods actually read threads, you know... A post doesn't have to be reported to be deleted or get an infraction :facepalm:.

[Jack_]

What really gets me with all this PC is a left wing thing is, why do so many right wing thinkers on here hit report when someone says something they consider none pc? That's a genuine question by the way. I've never met so many sensitive souls on a debate channel before.

A good point, and what I also find odd is that it's often those who claim to be champions of 'free speech' and not being politically correct who are the first to express their faux outrage when the likes of Frankie Boyle stands on a comedy stage at a comedy festival and makes a joke about a taboo subject. Strange that...

[Northern Monkey]

Well i can say confidently that i've never hit the report button since i've been here.I think debates should be left to go in whatever direction they take.

[Brillopad]

A good point, and what I also find odd is that it's often those who claim to be champions of 'free speech' and not being politically correct who are the first to express their faux outrage when the likes of Frankie Boyle stands on a comedy stage at a comedy festival and makes a joke about a taboo subject. Strange that...

It's the left thinkers most guilty in their attempt to thwart free speech.

[Jack_]

It's the left thinkers most guilty in their attempt to thwart free speech.

So why is it usually right wingers who are oh so offended when comedians make jokes about taboo subjects, and demand they be banned from TV/apologise?

[Northern Monkey]

Speaking of political correctness what d'you all think of this.It was from 2013.Do you think this woman should've been sacked?

She made a tweet just before boarding a plane for an 11 hour flight to Africa and found out it had been retweeted over 2,000 times when she landed.She was then fired.
The Tweet read -

'Going to Africa. Hope I don't get AIDS. Just kidding. I'm white!'

I think tbh it was just a dumb joke and she was trying to be funny.




https://www.google.co.uk/amp/s/amp.theguardian.com/world/2013/dec/22/pr-exec-fired-racist-tweet-aids-africa-apology

[Brillopad]

So why is it usually right wingers who are oh so offended when comedians make jokes about taboo subjects, and demand they be banned from TV/apologise?

I will have to take your word for that, but not a fan of stand-up comics personally, usually a bunch of miserable misogynistic old farts most of the time.

However I'm not too bothered by their limited humour, but, like everything, there has to be limits and when they attack the disabled or other such groups it's distasteful. I do vaguely remember Frank ?Skinner, can't remember his name, apparently made some nasty comments about Katie Price's disabled son under the guise of humour which is pretty rank tbh. People often use humour and so-called 'jokes' to insult others- just cowards.

I would imagine the old lefties get pretty fired-up by racist/PC jokes. Every side has its 'sensitives', I very much doubt it's exclusive to the 'right wingers'.

[the truth]

So why is it usually right wingers who are oh so offended when comedians make jokes about taboo subjects, and demand they be banned from TV/apologise?

they dont

[the truth]

Speaking of political correctness what d'you all think of this.It was from 2013.Do you think this woman should've been sacked?

She made a tweet just before boarding a plane for an 11 hour flight to Africa and found out it had been retweeted over 2,000 times when she landed.She was then fired.
The Tweet read -

'Going to Africa. Hope I don't get AIDS. Just kidding. I'm white!'

I think tbh it was just a dumb joke and she was trying to be funny.




https://www.google.co.uk/amp/s/amp.theguardian.com/world/2013/dec/22/pr-exec-fired-racist-tweet-aids-africa-apology
no
should Andy gray have been sacked for a joke about a lines woman? should sharon Osborne have been sacked for mocking a man who bled to death from having his penis dismembered by a psychotic woman. Andy was sacked sharon didn't even get a slap on the wrists simply because she's a woman. imagine a man laughing about a woman who had her vaginally cut open and bled to death

[Niamh.]

I will have to take your word for that, but not a fan of stand-up comics personally, usually a bunch of miserable misogynistic old farts most of the time.

However I'm not too bothered by their limited humour, but, like everything, there has to be limits and when they attack the disabled or other such groups it's distasteful. I do vaguely remember Frank ?Skinner, can't remember his name, apparently made some nasty comments about Katie Price's disabled son under the guise of humour which is pretty rank tbh. People often use humour and so-called 'jokes' to insult others- just cowards.

I would imagine the old lefties get pretty fired-up by racist/PC jokes. Every side has its 'sensitives', I very much doubt it's exclusive to the 'right wingers'.
That was Frankie Boyle and I think that was particularly bad because he was making a joke about a specific person, a specific child more to the point, that was cruel imo

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[Withano]

they dont

the comedy is all pro liberal due to political correctness. tedious , spineless, predictable liberal nonsense

Theyre liberal cowards all saying the same thing

Nope theyre really not. cowardly spineless predictable liberals

:think:

[Northern Monkey]

no
should Andy gray have been sacked for a joke about a lines woman? should sharon Osborne have been sacked for mocking a man who bled to death from having his penis dismembered by a psychotic woman. Andy was sacked sharon didn't even get a slap on the wrists simply because she's a woman. imagine a man laughing about a woman who had her vaginally cut open and bled to death

The hypocrisy

[the truth]

That was Frankie Boyle and I think that was particularly bad because he was making a joke about a specific person, a specific child more to the point, that was cruel imo

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yeah frankie boyle, decided it was funny to suggest a disabled child may rape his mother, no doubt the sancimonious twat would claim it was taken out of context, whatever, it is cheap laughs, unfunny, mean spirited etc etc like a lot of his attention seeking drivel.. totally over rated and in that case very nasty

[the truth]

The hypocrisy

thats the feminist movement these days, utterly hypocritical, mean, selfish, destructive , biased, poisonous, oh but no man can dare question it for fear of being labelled sexist. what a joke. even a load fo women detest it, though msot are so scared to admit that in public certainly not on national tv where 99% of women in rather cowardly fashion slavishly follow feminist protocol for fear of a backlash themselves..thats how you end up with a room full of women in front of an audience of millions laughing about a man who has been murdered by his wife and no one even dare criticizes this disgusting spectacle.

[Withano]

yeah frankie boyle, decided it was funny to suggest a disabled child may rape his mother, no doubt the sancimonious twat would claim it was taken out of context, whatever, it is cheap laughs, unfunny, mean spirited etc etc like a lot of his attention seeking drivel.. totally over rated and in that case very nasty

I agree. Very liberal of you. Is this where you personally draw the line on political correctness? You havent actually answered the question in the OP yet.

[DemolitionRed]

thats the feminist movement these days, utterly hypocritical, mean, selfish, destructive , biased, poisonous, oh but no man can dare question it for fear of being labelled sexist. what a joke. even a load fo women detest it, though msot are so scared to admit that in public certainly not on national tv where 99% of women in rather cowardly fashion slavishly follow feminist protocol for fear of a backlash themselves..thats how you end up with a room full of women in front of an audience of millions laughing about a man who has been murdered by his wife and no one even dare criticizes this disgusting spectacle.

What about misogynists; those red pillers who generally hate women and use every opportunity to rant on about toxic feminism and believe in the whole conspiracy that feminism/women are fcuking up society.

You need to get out of the matrix before it swallows you whole.

[the truth]

What about misogynists; those red pillers who generally hate women and use every opportunity to rant on about toxic feminism and believe in the whole conspiracy that feminism/women are fcuking up society.

You need to get out of the matrix before it swallows you whole.

we hear about them 25 hours a day but you give man hating feminists a free pass.

[user104658]

It's the left thinkers most guilty in their attempt to thwart free speech.

Bollocks. I actually don't think the right/left divide comes into it at all. There are varying opinions on the amount of free speech we should / shouldn't be allowed on both "sides". Plenty of heavily right leaning posters on here who would happily stifle free speech (in the name of security, for example) and likewise those leaning the other way politically who would limit it far more strictly than I would ever agree with.

Case in point; this is basically what me and Kirk would PM about fairly frequently... our political opinions essentially never aligned. Ever. BUT we were both of the opinion that everyone should be able to say pretty much whatever they want without fear of official sanction. So we used to PM each other to get an unbiased opinion on the "fairness" of responses to things, because we each knew that the other would almost certainly disagree with the actual opinions expressed in the post, and so would only be giving an objective view on the post as it stood otherwise.

I do miss ol' Kirk's PMS. Sniffle.

[Withano]

we hear about them 25 hours a day but you give man hating feminists a free pass.

(Under the correct definition, which most people who talk about the subject probably use, man-hating feminists do not exist. These women are misandrists, not feminists - if it seems like people give them a freepass, its because nobody considers what they have to say as relevant or important, for they are the female equivalent of meninists, and nobody takes meninists seriously either).

[Brillopad]

What about misogynists; those red pillers who generally hate women and use every opportunity to rant on about toxic feminism and believe in the whole conspiracy that feminism/women are fcuking up society.

You need to get out of the matrix before it swallows you whole.

Cheap, tacky jokes are nearly always made at the expense of women, just like the example given in the other thread about sick jokes. Always have been. The old mother-in-law type jokes etc. Apart from blatant misogyony it also demonstrates what a bunch of tired old, untalented, unoriginal bores they are.

[the truth]

(Under the correct definition, which most people who talk about the subject probably use, man-hating feminists do not exist. These women are misandrists, not feminists - if it seems like people give them a freepass, its because nobody considers what they have to say as relevant or important, for they are the female equivalent of meninists, and nobody takes meninists seriously either).

scared of political correctness more like

[the truth]

Cheap, tacky jokes are nearly always made at the expense of women, just like the example given in the other thread about sick jokes. Always have been. The old mother-in-law type jokes etc. Apart from blatant misogyony it also demonstrates what a bunch of tired old, untalented, unoriginal bores they are.

That is simply a lie

[joeysteele]

So why is it usually right wingers who are oh so offended when comedians make jokes about taboo subjects, and demand they be banned from TV/apologise?

Spot on again there Jack_

[Withano]

scared of political correctness more like

This makes no sense.

Feminism = the equality of sexes
Misandrists = those who hate men / want the superiority of women
Misogynists/meninists = those who hate women / want the superiority of men

Under the correct definitions of the words, most people are feminist, its just that most dont identify this way because most people confuse what feminism means / they believe misandrists are slowly changing the definition.
If you are fighting for the equal rights of either, and both genders - you are a feminist. If you want a gender to have superiority, you are not.

[DemolitionRed]

Bollocks. I actually don't think the right/left divide comes into it at all. There are varying opinions on the amount of free speech we should / shouldn't be allowed on both "sides". Plenty of heavily right leaning posters on here who would happily stifle free speech (in the name of security, for example) and likewise those leaning the other way politically who would limit it far more strictly than I would ever agree with.

Case in point; this is basically what me and Kirk would PM about fairly frequently... our political opinions essentially never aligned. Ever. BUT we were both of the opinion that everyone should be able to say pretty much whatever they want without fear of official sanction. So we used to PM each other to get an unbiased opinion on the "fairness" of responses to things, because we each knew that the other would almost certainly disagree with the actual opinions expressed in the post, and so would only be giving an objective view on the post as it stood otherwise.

I do miss ol' Kirk's PMS. Sniffle.

Him and myself used to do that too. We could go at it hammer and tongue in SD but talk more openly and frankly with each other in pm. I think a lot of people presumed Kirk and me hated each other when in fact the opposite was true!!

I miss him too. :bawling:

[DemolitionRed]

This makes no sense.

Feminism = the equality of sexes
Misandrists = those who hate men / want the superiority of women
Misogynists/meninists = those who hate women / want the superiority of men

Under the correct definitions of the words, most people are feminist, its just that most dont identify this way because most people confuse what feminism means / they believe misandrists are slowly changing the definition.
If you are fighting for the equal rights of either, and both genders - you are a feminist. If you want a gender to have superiority, you are not.

Now if that isn't clear enough, nothing is.

[DemolitionRed]

I am a feminist and as a feminist I believe that both men and women suffer inequality's. I think more is expected of men than women, they are often expected to 'man up' which seems pretty unfair. They often get less rights over their children in a split marriage and men are expected to do the unpleasant jobs like cleaning out the gutters or changing a car tyre (I know some women are all too willing to do these jobs but not many). A woman can get away with things by acting weak and helpless. If a man was to do this he'd be called a wuss.

Women are more likely to be employed for their looks and age. As women get older they become less employable but as a man matures, he's deemed as having more experience. Men are seen as more dependable within many work roles. Women can get pregnant which means maternity leave and a whole load of hassle. I know a chef who won't employ women because he claims they can't cook well when they are on their monthly!!

[the truth]

Oh and before the feminists decide that all wars are ments fault, take a look at blairs labour party, 98% of the women voted for the illegal bombing of Iraq

Feminism has been hijacked by men hating misandrists, therefore it now has nothing to do with equality it has all to do with getting as much for women at the expense fo men.

Therefore I am 100% against what feminism has become and 100% for equal opportunities

[Withano]

Feminism has been hijacked by men hating misandrists, therefore it now has nothing to do with equality it has all to do with getting as much for women at the expense fo men.

I like dictionary definitions more personally.

[the truth]

I like dictionary definitions more personally.

Yeah because the meaning of words never changes lol

[Withano]

Yeah because the meaning of words never changes lol

Thats not true, the top dictionaries make changes to words annually. The word literally, for example, doesn't only mean 'literally' anymore because people kept using it sarcastically - so literally also means 'with emphasis'. It didnt mean this two years ago.
If misandrists change the definition of feminsm by dictionary standards, I will hang up my feminist cloak and find a new word to define by beliefs.

[the truth]

Thats not true, the top dictionaries make changes to words annually. The word literally, for example, doesn't only mean 'literally' anymore because people kept using it sarcastically - so literally also means 'with emphasis'. It didnt mean this two years ago.
If misandrists change the definition of feminsm by dictionary standards, I will hang up my feminist cloak and find a new word to define by beliefs.
that's what Germans said about the word nazi

[Northern Monkey]

Oh and before the feminists decide that all wars are ments fault, take a look at blairs labour party, 98% of the women voted for the illegal bombing of Iraq

Feminism has been hijacked by men hating misandrists, therefore it now has nothing to do with equality it has all to do with getting as much for women at the expense fo men.

Therefore I am 100% against what feminism has become and 100% for equal opportunities

This is the truth.

[Northern Monkey]

Extreme Political correctness is pretty ridiculous really.
D'you think people in third world countries are having debates about whether it's ok to say the word "bossy"?

No are they feck.They have real problems.

We have so little to worry about that we have to start creating our own problems by acting offended at everything anyone says now.
Society will grow out of it.
When we look back in fifty years time this decade will be known as the decade of the sensitive snowflake.

[Kizzy]

Are you having fun with your little rant..... OOOHHHH I'm so fwurious wif all these wimmin!!!! :joker: