The beginning of the end - Political Correctness

[Northern Monkey]

A great take on Political Correctness

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[Withano]

I enjoyed the first 5 minutes, she brought a lot of insane points to my attention in that well-written speech.
Then she started going on about freedom of speech, and how they (the rights) should be allowed to say stuff but cant because of the words that the left use, and then started going on about how they (the left) shouldnt say this stuff, what about the lefts freedom of speech? Why does she only want freedom of speech for the right? Like, I cant take your argument seriously anymore, you dont even understand your argument... sounds like she just wants to attack whenever she likes without being attacked by others, thats not anything to do with freedom of speech / political correctness, thats just you being a bit of a twat that cant take what you give.

[Brillopad]

A great take on Political Correctness

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I've seen a few videos and read a few articles about this and agree with everything she said. PC is oppressive with the intention of intimidating and forcing people to think and act according to the belief systems of the PC brigade. It is all very manipulative and controlling. It is institutional bullying.

We have seen it on here on several occasions with the oh so predictable racist, bigot, zenophobia, islamophobia etc comments directed to anyone who expresses concerns about open borders etc. If they can't change your mind or get you to back down out come the insults. As long as people are aware of that but don't let it intimidate them then it won't have the desired effect.

I do believe many more people are wising up to these tactics and fighting back. I think PC is on an inevitable downward spiral as more and more people start to challenge this kind of unacceptable behaviour.

[Kizzy]

Is it unacceptable behaviour to out prejudice where you see it?

Nobody is saying you can't be as prejudiced as you want... go for it but for gods sake own it. If you are proud of your views and opinions what would it matter who opposes them?

Labeling people PC is a way of denigrating any and all counter argument as they are too shamefaced to stand behind what they advocate imo.

[Marsh.]

I enjoyed the first 5 minutes, she brought a lot of insane points to my attention in that well-written speech.
Then she started going on about freedom of speech, and how they (the rights) should be allowed to say stuff but cant because of the words that the left use, and then started going on about how they (the left) shouldnt say this stuff, what about the lefts freedom of speech? Why does she only want freedom of speech for the right? Like, I cant take your argument seriously anymore, you dont even understand your argument... sounds like she just wants to attack whenever she likes without being attacked by others, that not anything to do with freedom of speech / political correctness, thats just you being a bit of a twat that cant take what you give.

NAIL. ON. HEAD. :clap1:

[Withano]

We have seen it on here on several occasions with the oh so predictable racist, bigot, zenophobia, islamophobia etc comments directed to anyone who expresses concerns about open borders etc. .

But you not liking it when people throw out those sort of insults makes you very PC, and very against freedom of speech. You are literally fighting against yourself.

[Brillopad]

Is it unacceptable behaviour to out prejudice where you see it?

Nobody is saying you can't be as prejudiced as you want... go for it but for gods sake own it. If you are proud of your views and opinions what would it matter who opposes them?

Labeling people PC is a way of denigrating any and all counter argument as they are too shamefaced to stand behind what they advocate imo.

That's exactly what Supporters of multiculturalism and open borders have attempted to do to anyone with different views - they label them racist etc. They dished it out, but can't take it back.

Your words 'to out prejudice where you see it' says it all for me, you can't see it as your opinion, you assume your opinion to be fact. Those that support multiculturalism cannot/will not see that questioning such issues does not in itself make people prejudice - that is simply their interpretation - not fact. It does not entitle people to label others because they disagree with their views. If they insist on doing that then they can't complain when the tide turns.

[Tom4784]

I enjoyed the first 5 minutes, she brought a lot of insane points to my attention in that well-written speech.
Then she started going on about freedom of speech, and how they (the rights) should be allowed to say stuff but cant because of the words that the left use, and then started going on about how they (the left) shouldnt say this stuff, what about the lefts freedom of speech? Why does she only want freedom of speech for the right? Like, I cant take your argument seriously anymore, you dont even understand your argument... sounds like she just wants to attack whenever she likes without being attacked by others, thats not anything to do with freedom of speech / political correctness, thats just you being a bit of a twat that cant take what you give.

Pretty much this.

It's often a pattern with people that act like PC is the end of the world that they ultimately want to say whatever they like with no consequence (ALL opinions come with consequences) while only wanting Freedom of Speech for her and people who share her views. It's hypocritical beyond belief.

[Jake.]

Yeah essentially what others have said in here already but people who seem to love freedom of speech like to attack those with views that differ from theirs (see any Mail Online comments section)

[Tom4784]

That's exactly what Supporters of multiculturalism and open borders have attempted to do to anyone with different views - they label them racist etc. They dished it out, but can't take it back.

Your words 'to out prejudice where you see it' says it all for me, you can't see it as your opinion, you assume your opinion to be fact. Those that support multiculturalism cannot/will not see that questioning such issues does not in itself make people prejudice - that is simply their interpretation - not fact. It does not entitle people to label others because they disagree with their views. If they insist on doing that then they can't complain when the tide turns.

So, a bit like how you've accused me of being sexist multiple times to try to silence my opinion in the past? I didn't act like a victim though, I took that accusation and ripped it to shreds.

An accusation is just an accusation, and meaningless unless true. If someone calls another person a racist when they aren't then it's an easy thing to refute. People only get antsy about it when they are racist but don't want to admit it.

[Kizzy]

That's exactly what Supporters of multiculturalism and open borders have attempted to do to anyone with different views - they label them racist etc. They dished it out, but can't take it back.

Your words 'to out prejudice where you see it' says it all for me, you can't see it as your opinion, you assume your opinion to be fact. Those that support multiculturalism cannot/will not see that questioning such issues does not in itself make people prejudice - that is simply their interpretation - not fact. It does not entitle people to label others because they disagree with their views. If they insist on doing that then they can't complain when the tide turns.

The tide hasn't turned, prejudice is still prejudice...

I don't assume anything, there's no point trying to wriggle out of your prejudice because you are ashamed.....Embrace your inner bigot.

Be loud and proud, if you feel a certain way and that defines you then accept it, don't bitch and whine and try redefine it :/

[Brillopad]

So, a bit like how you've accused me of being sexist multiple times to try to silence my opinion in the past? I didn't act like a victim though, I took that accusation and ripped it to shreds.

An accusation is just an accusation, and meaningless unless true. If someone calls another person a racist when they aren't then it's an easy thing to refute. People only get antsy about it when they are racist but don't want to admit it.

It never ceases to amaze me how you always seem to see your response as 'ripping it to shreds'. If you say so.

[Tozzie]

I've seen a few videos and read a few articles about this and agree with everything she said. PC is oppressive with the intention of intimidating and forcing people to think and act according to the belief systems of the PC brigade. It is all very manipulative and controlling. It is institutional bullying.

We have seen it on here on several occasions with the oh so predictable racist, bigot, zenophobia, islamophobia etc comments directed to anyone who expresses concerns about open borders etc. If they can't change your mind or get you to back down out come the insults. As long as people are aware of that but don't let it intimidate them then it won't have the desired effect.

I do believe many more people are wising up to these tactics and fighting back. I think PC is on an inevitable downward spiral as more and more people start to challenge this kind of unacceptable behaviour.

Couldnt have said it any better :thumbs:

[Brillopad]

The tide hasn't turned, prejudice is still prejudice...

I don't assume anything, there's no point trying to wriggle out of your prejudice because you are ashamed.....Embrace your inner bigot.

Be loud and proud, if you feel a certain way and that defines you then accept it, don't bitch and whine and try redefine it :/

I don't support open borders. I don't support controlling religions - the more dictorial and opressive they are the more I dislike them. Make of that what you will - but I understand that that is just your opinion, even if you don't.

[DemolitionRed]

I don't support open borders. I don't support controlling religions - the more dictorial and opressive they are the more I dislike them. Make of that what you will - but I understand that that is just your opinion, even if you don't.

Yes we know, you remind us again and again. Its only because we consider your argument weak that we come back at you.

[Tozzie]

The tide hasn't turned, prejudice is still prejudice...

I don't assume anything, there's no point trying to wriggle out of your prejudice because you are ashamed.....Embrace your inner bigot.

Be loud and proud, if you feel a certain way and that defines you then accept it, don't bitch and whine and try redefine it :/

A bigot is a person who is intolerant towards those holding different opinions. It seems you are intolerant towards someone who doesn't agree with your opinions, I guess we are all bigots in one way or another. Embrace your inner bigot :laugh:

[DemolitionRed]

Good grief… It feel like my words are continually stifled on here because of political correctness. Sometimes, even when I’ve tried to limit my words so as not to offend, I still find certain people are outraged by what I’ve said. I’m less vocal and literal here than other discussion groups for fear of offending some sensitive soul.

This “Left wing PC nonsense” by the British press has unfairly migrated from the American ‘Right’ and similarly adopted from the press by Right wing forum users but unlike the American left, we, in the UK, don’t need ‘safe spaces’ or have ‘trigger warnings’ so the ridiculous accusation that its a Left wing thing is foundless.

[DemolitionRed]

FFS, we have people on here telling us its unpatriotic to be ashamed of the way Britain is being run. If that’s not PC what is? We have the Right telling us foreigners should adhere to British culture if they want to live here because its not PC to do otherwise and we have PC outrage and accusations of anti-Semitism when anyone dares to criticise Israel. All of these things need to be debated but when we have to police our words over everything just in case we offend, it limits debate.

For all your PC outrage remember this; you’re guilty of what you are accusing others of being guilty of. How do you not see that?

[Tozzie]

Yes we know, you remind us again and again. Its only because we consider your argument weak that we come back at you.

What makes Brillos argument weak and yours strong though? Just interested

[DemolitionRed]

What makes Brillos argument weak and yours strong though? Just interested

Did I say mine was strong?

[DemolitionRed]

Trump is hailed by some on here as the King of fighting against PC and then skips debates because someone hurt his feelings. The one with the cherry on top is Trump falling out and never forgiving the journalist who mentioned he had small hands!

[Brillopad]

Yes we know, you remind us again and again. Its only because we consider your argument weak that we come back at you.

So be it. I assume you consider your argument fact, I think you will find many would disagree.

[Tozzie]

Did I say mine was strong?

No but you said "thats why WE come back at you"

[Brillopad]

Did I say mine was strong?

You certainly implied it. It would be rather odd to criticise someone for something you felt could apply to you.

[DemolitionRed]

No but you said "thats why WE come back at you"

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[Tozzie]

'We'
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[DemolitionRed]

You certainly implied it. It would be rather odd to criticise someone for something you felt could apply to you.

It would be presumptuous to presume anything is going to be believed or taken as fact in a forum discussion, especially by the opposing side. That goes both ways.

The question is, are my replies being none PC?

[Brillopad]

Good grief… It feel like my words are continually stifled on here because of political correctness. Sometimes, even when I’ve tried to limit my words so as not to offend, I still find certain people are outraged by what I’ve said. I’m less vocal and literal here than other discussion groups for fear of offending some sensitive soul.



That turning tide. People against open borders have been made to feel that way many times.

[Tom4784]

It never ceases to amaze me how you always seem to see your response as 'ripping it to shreds'. If you say so.

I refuted your silly little claim without having to resort to your tactics of whining about being called a bigot,

That's what you do when someone accuses you of something, you don't whine about the word and try to turn it into something that can't be said because it hurts your feelings. Refute it or accept it, there are no other options.

[DemolitionRed]

That turning tide. People against open borders have been made to feel that way many times.

People who don't like open borders have every right to debate their reasons but facts are nice because they give us something honest to work with and talk about.

[user104658]

It's quite amusing for me, really. I'm not actually a huge fan of "political correctness" or, rather, the legal implementation of such. I am all for balls-out free speech. For everyone. That means that you can say whatever you want without fear of the authorities or persecution or any official sanction. It also means that everyone else has free reign to say whatever they want back and tear you the **** down and there's not a damned thing you can do or say about it. If that's what we mean by PC coming to an end then I'm all for it :shrug:. Bring it on. We could test it out on this forum. Remove all of the rules, make it no holds barred. That's what makes it amusing --- I know exactly which members would head for the hills first :joker:.

Because what these people ACTUALLY want - and this is where it gets really ironic - is somewhere that they can share their views WITHOUT being called out on them. Without being "called oh-so-mean names" like bigot, narrow-minded, nasty little racist, etc. What they want is a safe space. And that cracks me up.

[the truth]

the left abused political correctness, they perverted it and destroyed its true meaning just to make political gain themselves. absolutely disgusting. 20,000 kids molested in rotherham thanks to a perverted form of political correctness and all labours fault

[the truth]

I refuted your silly little claim without having to resort to your tactics of whining about being called a bigot,

That's what you do when someone accuses you of something, you don't whine about the word and try to turn it into something that can't be said because it hurts your feelings. Refute it or accept it, there are no other options.

wrong, its slander supported by the left which people should sue over. just as those falsely accused by money grabbers should counter sue and take the false accusers to hell

[Brillopad]

It's quite amusing for me, really. I'm not actually a huge fan of "political correctness" or, rather, the legal implementation of such. I am all for balls-out free speech. For everyone. That means that you can say whatever you want without fear of the authorities or persecution or any official sanction. It also means that everyone else has free reign to say whatever they want back and tear you the **** down and there's not a damned thing you can do or say about it. If that's what we mean by PC coming to an end then I'm all for it :shrug:. Bring it on. We could test it out on this forum. Remove all of the rules, make it no holds barred. That's what makes it amusing --- I know exactly which members would head for the hills first :joker:.

Because what these people ACTUALLY want - and this is where it gets really ironic - is somewhere that they can share their views WITHOUT being called out on them. Without being "called oh-so-mean names" like bigot, narrow-minded, nasty little racist, etc. What they want is a safe space. And that cracks me up.

You think you know, but it's no coincidence that you clearly imply that those that would run are those on the opposite side of the fence to you.

[user104658]

You think you know, but it's no coincidence that you clearly imply that those that would run are those on the opposite side of the fence to you.

I'm not implying it I'm outright stating it. You complain about the things that are said to you already, seemingly completely unaware that you are benefitting - massively - from people holding back due to political correctness.

[Brillopad]

I'm not implying it I'm outright stating it. You complain about the things that are said to you already, seemingly completely unaware that you are benefitting - massively - from people holding back due to political correctness.

I don't complain out of sensitivity I complain on principle. Many are probably holding back to some degree due to forum rules, but if someone pushes the boundaries it is far more likely that those expressing opinions considered 'right wing' will be infracted. Lessons learned. Sometimes the feeling of not giving some people the satisfaction prevails.

[Brillopad]

I refuted your silly little claim without having to resort to your tactics of whining about being called a bigot,

That's what you do when someone accuses you of something, you don't whine about the word and try to turn it into something that can't be said because it hurts your feelings. Refute it or accept it, there are no other options.

Obviously your idea and my idea of proof don't agree. In my book you proved nothing. It's all about context.

[Withano]

What makes Brillos argument weak

On this particular topic?
Shes implied that she is against forum members calling others names such as racists or bigots, despite her labelling many members as a sexist in the past
She wants freedom of speech but wants to stop others from calling right wing people mean names
She wants PC culture to come to an end despite endlessly arguing against: people protesting against governments, people namecalling in general, and posts that she believes to be anti-feminist

Her argument is so weak, in so many different ways. She claims to be fighting against PC whilst having many PC traits, and she is fighting for freedom of speech whilst suggesting that others should not have the same privilege.
And this mindset is very similar to the woman in the video. Its senseless, contradictory, and hypocritical.

[Brillopad]

On this particular topic?
Shes implied that she is against forum members calling others names such as racists or bigots, despite her labelling many members as a sexist in the past
She wants freedom of speech but wants to stop others from calling right wing people mean names
She wants PC culture to come to an end despite endlessly arguing against: people protesting against governments, people namecalling in general, and posts that she believes to be anti-feminist

Her argument is so weak, in so many different ways. She claims to be fighting against PC whilst having many PC traits, and she is fighting for freedom of speech whilst suggesting that others should not have the same privilege.
And this mindset is very similar to the woman in the video. Its senseless, contradictory, and hypocritical.

That is twisted beyond belief. If certain people are going to try to label me because they don't like my opinions they can't then expect me to hold back when I don't like theirs. I never start it.

It isn't me that wants it all their way. You really don't seem to know half of what's occured so until you do it's probably best you refrain from giving your not so well informed opinion.

[the truth]

labour made the basic most obvious mistake of any political party, they tried to heavily legislate for everything, including everyday social behaviour, conversations and interactions

You simply cannot do that, every phrase every conversation are all in different contexts and situations. to think cops are meant to police everyday conversations is absurd. some people arent necessarily being bigotted , therer can be a million different explanations....they could be just dumb or stupid or poorly educated, they may be insane, they could be high on cocaine, they could be mentally ill, they could be reacting to being punched etc etc and yes in some cases they may be mean as a snake bigots. Its often a lot easier for the public and organizations deal with these everyday situations themselves. instead of a police officer arresting someone for saying something ignorant say in a school or college, let the head master/mistress or the principals take care of it, if a person at work is bullying let the bosses take care of it, if a comedian is being obnoxious dont buy a ticket boycott the show..etc etc

but over legislating always means innocent people get caught in the web

[Withano]

That is twisted beyond belief. If certain people are going to try to label me because they don't like my opinions they can't then expect me to hold back when I don't like theirs. I never start it.

It isn't me that wants it all their way. You really don't seem to know half of what's occured so until you do it's probably best you refrain from giving your not so well informed opinion.

Kinda missed the point again though didnt you.

You are not fighting for freedom of speech regardless of how much you think you are, as you are actively trying to surpress others' speech

You are not against Political correctness, because you are incredibky PC on some topics.

You want PC when it suits you, you want freedom of speech when it suits you, as does the woman in this video. Its senseless, contradictory, and hypocritical.

[the truth]

Kinda missed the point again though didnt you.

You are not fighting for freedom of speech regardless of how much you think you are, as you are actively trying to surpress others' speech

You are not against Political correctness, because you are incredibky PC on some topics.

You want PC when it suits you, you want freedom of speech when it suits you, as does the woman in this video. Its senseless, contradictory, and hypocritical.

No hes not youre misrepresenting him yet again:nono:

[Withano]

No hes not youre misrepresenting him yet again:nono:

Shes not even a bloke, what were you saying about misrepresentation?

[Brillopad]

Kinda missed the point again though didnt you.

You are not fighting for freedom of speech regardless of how much you think you are, as you are actively trying to surpress others' speech

You are not against Political correctness, because you are incredibky PC on some topics.

You want PC when it suits you, you want freedom of speech when it suits you, as does the woman in this video. Its senseless, contradictory, and hypocritical.

Honestly I can't be bothered as I don't think you know what you're talking about. Either that or you have been reading up on spin.

[Withano]

Honestly I can't be bothered as I don't think you know what you're talking about. Either that or you have been reading up on spin.

You are completely PC when it comes to feminist issues for example. You are completely against freedom of speech when it comes to the left calling the right names for example

Yet you come in to the thread claiming PC is bad and freedom of speech is good

Your argument does not make sense. You have fought for both sides of both topics and claimed that you only feel one way. You don't feel consistently one way, you're very in the middle like most people.

I have no idea if you're just being stubborn or if you genuinely dont understand how contradictory youre being.

[the truth]

Shes not even a bloke, what were you saying about misrepresentation?

the gender is irrelevant to me, sadly it isnt to you

[Withano]

the gender is irrelevant to me, sadly it isnt to you

Tell that to your 100+ anti-feminist threads, sis.

[the truth]

You are completely PC when it comes to feminist issues for example. You are completely against freedom of speech when it comes to the left calling the right names for example

Yet you come in to the thread claiming PC is bad and freedom of speech is good

Your argument does not make sense. You have thought for both sides of both topics and claimed that you only feel one way. You don't feel consistently one way, you're very in the middle like most people.

I have no idea if you're just being stubborn or if you genuinely dont understand how contradictory youre being.

youre being contradictory, its the left who always play the race , sexist card from the bottom of the deck in order to try and shut down all debate

[Withano]

youre being contradictory, its the left who always play the race , sexist card from the bottom of the deck in order to try and shut down all debate

But even if that was true, as a person that loves freedom of speech as much as you do, you should be okay with this. But you're not, clearly. So stop pretending youre all for freedom of speech lol. Youre more against it than any other person on this thread pretty much.

[the truth]

But even if that was true, as a person that loves freedom of speech as much as you do, you should be okay with this. But you're not, clearly. So stop pretending youre all for freedom of speech lol. Youre more against it than any other person on this thread pretty much.

lol Youre lying again

[Brillopad]

You are completely PC when it comes to feminist issues for example. You are completely against freedom of speech when it comes to the left calling the right names for example

Yet you come in to the thread claiming PC is bad and freedom of speech is good

Your argument does not make sense. You have thought for both sides of both topics and claimed that you only feel one way. You don't feel consistently one way, you're very in the middle like most people.

I have no idea if you're just being stubborn or if you genuinely dont understand how contradictory youre being.

So I'm the contradictory one ... sigh!!! :wavey:

[Withano]

So I'm the contradictory one ... sigh!!! :wavey:

Finally, you're getting somewhere.

[the truth]

Finally, you're getting somewhere.

No she was being facetious, look it up:hee: