Downloading illegally

[Chrizzle]

With that big heated debate we just had in Graphics, I think a debate should be made.

What are you opinions on the following being downloaded/copyrighted illegally:

Computer operating systems
Computer software
Computer Games
Copyright images
Console games
Television progammess
Radio programmes
Films
Music Videos
Books

Is it right? Wrong?
What can we do to stop it?
Should it be made legal?

[Mrluvaluva]

It will never be made legal, because the music industry lose so much money over it.

[Arneldo]

I'm in two mindas about it.

In one hand i think that the musicians have a right to get the money for people actully buying it. But, on the other hand, why is it illegal to download but not illegal to record off the radio? Just seems rather silly.

[~Kizwiz~]

Originally posted by bb4eva
I'm in two mindas about it.

In one hand i think that the musicians have a right to get the money for people actully buying it. But, on the other hand, why is it illegal to download but not illegal to record off the radio? Just seems rather silly.

I think its legal to make copies of things on the radio because of the low quality of recording. Its high quality recordings that are illegal.

[Arneldo]

Originally posted by kizwiz
Originally posted by bb4eva
I'm in two mindas about it.

In one hand i think that the musicians have a right to get the money for people actully buying it. But, on the other hand, why is it illegal to download but not illegal to record off the radio? Just seems rather silly.

I think its legal to make copies of things on the radio because of the low quality of recording. Its high quality recordings that are illegal.

But, with CD recorders coming in now people are able to record of the radio perfectly.

[~Kizwiz~]

I know.... its all so grey at the moment..... and of course we now have DAB radio too so thats more clear aswel.... its all a bit mixed up really

[Red Moon]

I think we should expand the debate about downloading Illegally. The list should include:

Computer operating systems
Computer software
Computer Games
Copyright images
Console games
Television progammess
Radio programmes
Films
Music Videos
Books

basically anything that has copyright.

[Chrizzle]

Edited:thumbs:

[lily.]

I don't pay for music. I'm a thief.

[Mrluvaluva]

Is recording something from the radio actually legal? I am not so sure.

[Sunny_01]

Originally posted by Stropz
I don't pay for music. I'm a thief.

Ditto

[GiRTh]

Me too. They make tons of money so if I can do it on the side. No problem.

[Mrluvaluva]

I think their main interests are against the people who share music. If you download it, do you move it out of your shared folder? If you do, then noone else can access it.

[lily.]

Yes, I move it, and I don't sell it on either. I move it into "My Music" and I listen to it on my pc.

Sometimes I burn it to disc for the car.

[Sunny_01]

Yer I just save it into my music - dont go in for all that sharing stuff was the youngest of 3 children I never had to share lol!

Like Stropz I sometimes burn a disc but usually just save it to my i-pod :angel:

[lily.]

The reason I have no moral objection to doing what I do is that I'm so tight that I wouldn't go out and buy the CD anyway. I'd just listen to Radio 1 in the car if I didn't have the music that I have, and I would just listen to stuff online when I'm at the computer. So basically, the music industry isn't losing anything because of my activities. I wouldn't buy it anyway.

[MarkWaldorf]

I'm not against it, as I download all the time. I download TV shows, music, and once I even downloaded a movie. It's wrong, I know. I download them using a legal programme, so I doesn't really bother me.

[Sophii3x]

I'm not that bothered with it actually. Even though my parents have never allowed me to download Limewire, to then download music and stuff, I don't have a problem with people who do. I know loads of people who download stuff illeagaly through sites and stuff, it's their choice. My friends do send me music that they have downloaded though, so that's good!

[Mrluvaluva]

Do you download it for free Markus?

[MarkWaldorf]

Yup.

[Sophii3x]

Originally posted by MrLuvaLuva
Do you download it for free Markus?

Barry, why would he pay to download music and stuff illegaly!!:laugh:

[Mrluvaluva]

Markus said he downloaded stuff using a legal programme. If he don't pay for iy, it ain't legal is it?

[Chrizzle]

Nope. I think all non-paying downloading systems are illegal.
Otherwise, they'd be no point of buying stuff would there?

[Mrluvaluva]

Originally posted by Chrizzle
Nope. I think all non-paying downloading systems are illegal.
Otherwise, they'd be no point of buying stuff would there?


Spot on Chris.

[Tanser_Man]

I don't really care, if i download something whether it's illegal or not and i like what i have downloaded... eight times out of ten i'll go out and buy that album, dvd, game etc.

If your buying an album you want to know if its a one hit wonder or an album of hits, and the internet is the best way for that, to make it illegal would be stupid and would be kicking themselves in the knackers.

[Mrluvaluva]

Most sites are illegal. Some legal sites let you listen but not download. Myspace is a great way to listen to up and coming musicians, and download their tracks.

[GlitterEyes]

I think if people download and then sell on the music then they are costing the industry obviously. I think aslong as there are sites and file sharing software acessable people will continue to download music. The price of a cd in the shops and albums cost a silly amount in my opinion anyway so I can see why people do download stuff. Most videos can be seen on youtube aswell so alot of people listen that way.

On programs I think if you use it regularly then you should buy it yourself just because you will get good use out of it and they come with guides to help. Copyright images are a very grey area I think....everything has a copyright...celeb images copyrighted to the photographer...disney images etc but I feel if people are using them for none profit...through banners/fansites then there is no harm to it. Aslong as you are not claiming that the images are yours then its okay...using the Copyright symbol © on anything that you havent created fully yourself is wrong but not many people are aware of it.

[rex3]

I believe in freedom of information, just as i believe water should be free, only its not.

[lily.]

Lmao@water. Nice one rex. Next thing they will be charging us for is "air".. although how exactly they intend to cut our supply off if we don't pay is a mystery.. :laugh:

[Mrluvaluva]

Maybe they will just take you to court and fine you for it. lol

[noahman]

i think that tv shows such as reality show like big brother that are too big to but on dvd is ok to download

[Dr43%er]

"just as i believe water should be free" Water is free. Clean water delivered on demand to your house 24 hours a day is a different mater. You choose. I do believe however that water supply should be not for profit.

[bananarama]

I think a chunk of this downloading problem would go away if the music and film industry did not charge such a high price for their products. Greed...


Downloadin a copyright is illegal and stealing. However the music and film industry steal with the blessing of the law by overcharging.
Six of one and half a dozen of the other.....

[Psylocke]

If i d/l somthing and i like it,ill buy it,if i D/L and dislike somthing i wont.

I use it as a quality controll.

[bananarama]

Originally posted by Psylocke
If i d/l somthing and i like it,ill buy it,if i D/L and dislike somthing i wont.

I use it as a quality controll.

Yeah that's a good reason. Back in the year dot when I was a lorra lorra younger I would go into the music (Record) store in the days of plastic discs..:bigsmile: and ask for a listen using one of the listeneing boothes they supplied in those days. As you suggest decide the quality before you lose the bucks........

[MarkWaldorf]

Ohh, this again?
I still D/L stuff all the time, and it isn't really a problem for me.

[001steven]

i but illegal copise of CDs but not any more as they are hard to find now but it will never be stopped

[Sarah.]

I do, without it, I wouldn't be able to watch Lost, and THAT's a crime.

[Cody™]

i download all the time but if the album is worth buying then i will defo go and buy a copy.

[Cody™]

Originally posted by mrs_rko
I do, without it, I wouldn't be able to watch Lost, and THAT's a crime.

HAHA! exactly! i can only watch lost if i download it :(

[InTheHood]

When HMV and the like realise that £10+ for an album is actually a con, then people may actually buy at reduced prices, after all, the real thing is better.

I don't actually download , I don't like risking my PC's health, but if people do, it doesn't bother me, as all these big companies are ripping folk off anyway, so why not rip them off in return?

[spitfire]

TBH i havent bought a CD or DVD since ive had a PC.

[easypeasy]

My town has lost two record shops that have been open for 20 years during the last month. even the chain stores are suffering, sad times.

[Stu]

I download everything and anything and love every second of it. Companys make enough money anyway and given the choice of paying for something and getting it for free via the internet , the choice is clear for me. Theirs no regrets in it. Viva la free stuff ¬!!!!

[rex3]

downloading illegally is wrong....

but i disagree with the cost of music on high street stores,

they were taking liberties before the internet came

[Stu]

Originally posted by rex3
downloading illegally is wrong....



Of course it is , but its free stuff , and you only live once! Your nto going to get caught for it anyway so the positives are endless.

[Matt]

For me, if musicians are OK with making their music available to listen to on their MySpaces, Bebos, websites etc. then surely it's OK for me to download it?

(Not that I do... :wink:)

[Billy]

I download and get the cds lol cos I like having them in my shelf

[InTheFade]

My opinion is that downloading illegally is the least of the world's problems...

[MarkWaldorf]

Originally posted by InTheHood
When HMV and the like realise that £10+ for an album is actually a con, then people may actually buy at reduced prices, after all, the real thing is better.

I don't actually download , I don't like risking my PC's health, but if people do, it doesn't bother me, as all these big companies are ripping folk off anyway, so why not rip them off in return?

Good point. I go into HMV/Virgin and find that DVD's are like £20+ - why should I pay that much when I can download it? I only download movies if I've seen them in cinema, and liked them. So I technically have payed for the movie, and I believe I have the right to download them. :laugh:

[spacebandit]

Originally posted by Stropz
Lmao@water. Nice one rex. Next thing they will be charging us for is "air".. although how exactly they intend to cut our supply off if we don't pay is a mystery.. :laugh:

Enforceable yearly charge like the licence fee

If they could they would :laugh:


As for downloading - If I like it I buy it, and if I don't I don't keep the files and don't buy it.

Simple as that -

Though most of the stuff I get from the sites I use has had no commercial release - soundboards, demo's, bootlegs in general and I see nothing wrong with that.