The French Election - Macron vs. Le Pen [May 7th]

[Wizard.]

Apparently it looks like it will be Emmanuel Macron vs. Marine Le Pen

https://www.theguardian.com/world/live/2017/apr/23/french-election-voting-under-way-in-first-round-live

[arista]

and another live link

http://news.sky.com/story/live-first-round-result-in-french-election-looms-10848373

[Will.]

Emmanuel Macron looks like Jason Segel

[arista]

Apparently it looks like it will be Emmanuel Macron vs. Marine Le Pen

https://www.theguardian.com/world/live/2017/apr/23/french-election-voting-under-way-in-first-round-live



SkyNewsHD & BBCnewsHD
say they are the top 2, now

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[MB.]

Emmanuel Macron looks like Jason Segel

And Marine Le Pen looks like Satan, so this should be fun

[Braden]

I haven't read much about this election, but apparently Macron is more likely to win. However, Le Pen is the Brexit/Trump in this scenario so she's probably going to take it.

[Denver]

Dont they both want out of the EU

[Will.]

And Marine Le Pen looks like Satan, so this should be fun

:joker::joker::joker:

[RichardG]

macron will win round 2

[Greg!]

Dont they both want out of the EU

Macron loves the EU I think!

[Greg!]

It will actually be quite scary if Le Pen wins. Sure Brexit was stupid and Trump is a twat, but this gal is an actual fascist

[Will.]

Emmanuel Macron is quite gird looking.

[Greg!]

I thought that too!

[RichardG]

are the 22% le pen 24% macron statistics actually confirmed or are they just exit poll predictions

[Greg!]

Emmanuel Macron is my dad.

[Will.]

Emmanuel Marcon is my dad.

:joker::joker:

[Brillopad]

It will actually be quite scary if Le Pen wins. Sure Brexit was stupid and Trump is a twat, but this gal is an actual fascist

The EU is a dictator we don't need. Brexit is the better choice.

[arista]

[The top two candidates - Emmanuel Macron and Marine Le Pen - go head-to-head in round two of the contest on 7 May.]

[Northern Monkey]

It's definitely going to be interesting.I don't think Le Pen will win but you couldn't blame the French for voting that way or anyone in mainland Europe at the moment.They make our immigration problems look like a fairytale

[Marsh.]

Oui

[reece(:]

Marine needs sinking

[Livia]

Another reaction to the over-population of Europe coupled with frequent terrorist attacks. When people can't have a full and frank discussion about immigration without being called bigots and racists, this is the only way they have to voice their opinion. Frankly, I'd rather have a grown up conversation about limiting incomers than have a Nazi running France. Shame that grown-up conversation is as far away now as it ever was.

[Kizzy]

Another reaction to the over-population of Europe coupled with frequent terrorist attacks. When people can't have a full and frank discussion about immigration without being called bigots and racists, this is the only way they have to voice their opinion. Frankly, I'd rather have a grown up conversation about limiting incomers than have a Nazi running France. Shame that grown-up conversation is as far away now as it ever was.

Shame your words appear to echo this nazi...

'Marine Le Pen is continuing her criticism of her rival today.

She tells the French people that Macron is not an outsider:

He is part of the old guard of French politics who are in one way or another responsible for where we are today.'

https://www.theguardian.com/world/live/2017/apr/24/french-election-macron-le-pen-second-round-live

[Tom4784]

Le Pen is the worst case scenario so knowing the GP as a whole, they'll probably vote her in.

[Livia]

Shame your words appear to echo this nazi...

'Marine Le Pen is continuing her criticism of her rival today.

She tells the French people that Macron is not an outsider:

He is part of the old guard of French politics who are in one way or another responsible for where we are today.'

https://www.theguardian.com/world/live/2017/apr/24/french-election-macron-le-pen-second-round-live


Your comment has nicely embroidered what I was trying to say. I do not support this woman... I don't support people like her... and simply saying that immigrations needs to be controlled gives YOU the right to suggest I sound like a Nazi? LOL...

[smudgie]

I can't see her winning.
I think the fact that she has got so far should send a warning shot.
People are turning away from the left, we need to be more centrist.
As has been said, people need to be able to discuss their grievances without being shot down as bigots and racists.

[RichardG]

I can't see her winning.
I think the fact that she has got so far should send a warning shot.
People are turning away from the left, we need to be more centrist.
As has been said, people need to be able to discuss their grievances without being shot down as bigots and racists.

that will not change anytime soon regardless of who wins

let's be honest

[Tom4784]

I can't see her winning.
I think the fact that she has got so far should send a warning shot.
People are turning away from the left, we need to be more centrist.
As has been said, people need to be able to discuss their grievances without being shot down as bigots and racists.

All opinions come with consequences and everyone can have an opinion on someone else's opinion. What you are saying here is basically 'I want my opinion and I don't want anyone to say anything that I don't like about that opinion.'

Freedom of Speech is not a one way street.

[Kizzy]

Your comment has nicely embroidered what I was trying to say. I do not support this woman... I don't support people like her... and simply saying that immigrations needs to be controlled gives YOU the right to suggest I sound like a Nazi? LOL...

I didn't suggest you supported her, I said your words echoed hers.

[Kizzy]

Don't know about the French but Brits get all shamefaced about sounding prejudiced, that's why they accuse others of invented behaviours with negative connotations such as 'PC' 'SJW' or 'virtue signalling' it detracts from their very real flaws.

[Wizard.]

Macron is NOT centerist he is far left disguised as a centerist by the far left. If you think Jeremy Corbyn is a far left socialist who had concerns about the EU, Macron is very very very pro-EU.

[smudgie]

All opinions come with consequences and everyone can have an opinion on someone else's opinion. What you are saying here is basically 'I want my opinion and I don't want anyone to say anything that I don't like about that opinion.'

Freedom of Speech is not a one way street.

Nope, what I am saying is if you keep shutting people down from having a debate then you can expect them to vote for someone they THINK will get their point across for them. So yes, of course there will be consequences.
Unfortunately as we all know, we don't always get what we are promised from politicians.
I consider my opinion no more or less important than anyone else's opinion, so therefore I am keen to hear opinions from all sides of any subject, one thing I have learned in life is that everything is not always black or white and even opinions can be swayed if you have an open mind.

[RichardG]

All opinions come with consequences and everyone can have an opinion on someone else's opinion. What you are saying here is basically 'I want my opinion and I don't want anyone to say anything that I don't like about that opinion.'

Freedom of Speech is not a one way street.

the problem isn't that people should be denied their freedom of speech to respond with their disagreement of someone's opinion. they can do so in any way that they like. the problem is that people feel the best way to respond to growing concerns is to shut down debate with simple insults, or to absolutely refuse to even consider with an open mind what someone else has to say.

this is coming from the perspective of someone who neither supported brexit nor opposed it, someone who neither supported trump nor opposed him. someone who has absolutely no interest in engaging in politics because the whole thing has become nothing but a school playground of childish insults.

the serious debates section of this forum is a shining example.

and this is not a one sided comment, it applies to people on both sides of the political spectrum. the far left and the far right are both morons who i have no time for but most people are seemingly moving further and further in each direction which i don't believe is in the long term interests of anyone.

[Kizzy]

the problem isn't that people should be denied their freedom of speech to respond with their disagreement of someone's opinion. they can do so in any way that they like. the problem is that people feel the best way to respond to growing concerns is to shut down debate with simple insults, or to absolutely refuse to even consider with an open mind what someone else has to say.

this is coming from the perspective of someone who neither supported brexit nor opposed it, someone who neither supported trump nor opposed him. someone who has absolutely no interest in engaging in politics because the whole thing has become nothing but a school playground of childish insults.

the serious debates section of this forum is a shining example.

and this is not a one sided comment, it applies to people on both sides of the political spectrum. the far left and the far right are both morons who i have no time for but most people are seemingly moving further and further in each direction which i don't believe is in the long term interests of anyone.

Here we go again..... :/

[RichardG]

here we go again indeed, kizzy.

[Withano]

Imagine voting for a Nazi cos somebody on the left called you a racist! They sure showed them!

[Tom4784]

Nope, what I am saying is if you keep shutting people down from having a debate then you can expect them to vote for someone they THINK will get their point across for them. So yes, of course there will be consequences.
Unfortunately as we all know, we don't always get what we are promised from politicians.
I consider my opinion no more or less important than anyone else's opinion, so therefore I am keen to hear opinions from all sides of any subject, one thing I have learned in life is that everything is not always black or white and even opinions can be swayed if you have an open mind.

Accusations do not shut down opinions, If someone accuses you of something that isn't true then why should it hinder your opinion? I've been accused of sillly accusations in the past and it's never shut down my opinion because those accusations are ridiculous and simply untrue.

People who say that their opinions are being shut down are choosing to shut down their opinions themselves. An accusation is just an accusation, It's only when it's true that it has any real power.

[Kizzy]

here we go again indeed, kizzy.

I'm not entering into this 'debate' that seems to crop up every time there's a slow news day on the forum for a bit of a jolly.


As I have stated before many times accusing someone of bigotry is not an insult if the statement they make is bigoted, it's not down to interpretation by individuals, there is a clear concise dictionary definition as to what denotes bigotry.

Stand behind your statements even if they are, by definition, bigoted.

[smudgie]

Accusations do not shut down opinions, If someone accuses you of something that isn't true then why should it hinder your opinion? I've been accused of sillly accusations in the past and it's never shut down my opinion because those accusations are ridiculous and simply untrue.

People who say that their opinions are being shut down are choosing to shut down their opinions themselves. An accusation is just an accusation, It's only when it's true that it has any real power.

I don't think accusations shut down the opinion, more a case of shutting the debate down.
If we all had the patience to listen to each other life would be easier.
Sometimes it is the best way to walk away from a debate if you feel you are banging your head against a wall, much better than it getting into a full scale argument, after all, you might differ on opinions on one subject but agree totally on others.

[Kizzy]

Personally if I hear the term PC I shut down as it means the person I'm talking to can't be bothered to formulate their own responses and relies solely on buzzwords to use as a blanket term for any given issue covering a wide array of topics.

[smudgie]

Personally if I hear the term PC I shut down as it means the person I'm talking to can't be bothered to formulate their own responses and relies solely on buzzwords to use as a blanket term for any given issue covering a wide array of topic.

It is thrown around a bit willy nilly.

[Niamh.]

I don't think accusations shut down the opinion, more a case of shutting the debate down.
If we all had the patience to listen to each other life would be easier.
Sometimes it is the best way to walk away from a debate if you feel you are banging your head against a wall, much better than it getting into a full scale argument, after all, you might differ on opinions on one subject but agree totally on others.

Absolutely agree Smudgie

[UserSince2005]

What a babe,

Hope she wins,

Its time for the EU to crumble and Britain to reign strong.

[Braden]

Le Pen has 'stepped down' as party leader:

Source: http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-39696861

[Withano]

Omg! Still, she'll probably be replaced with someone just as *****.

[DemolitionRed]

She's still standing as an independent. She has more chance of swinging the vote in her favour doing this.

[Braden]

Interesting. That is actually a very good idea on her behalf.

[UserSince2005]

Devoed, she was a heroine.

[Brillopad]

I'm not entering into this 'debate' that seems to crop up every time there's a slow news day on the forum for a bit of a jolly.


As I have stated before many times accusing someone of bigotry is not an insult if the statement they make is bigoted, it's not down to interpretation by individuals, there is a clear concise dictionary definition as to what denotes bigotry.

Stand behind your statements even if they are, by definition, bigoted.

Bigot = intolerant of the opinions of others - something many of your posts show you are. If it sounds like a duck.....

Clear and concise.

[Brillopad]

Don't know about the French but Brits get all shamefaced about sounding prejudiced, that's why they accuse others of invented behaviours with negative connotations such as 'PC' 'SJW' or 'virtue signalling' it detracts from their very real flaws.

Pot and kettle and you can't even see it. :joker:

[Wizard.]

Good move on Le Pens part, it looks kind of shifty though but it's good for her to rid herself of the Front National 'racist' view

[MTVN]

Pretty much all her speeches and campaign literature have avoided using 'FN' and even 'Le Pen' for months now. She has just styled herself as 'Marine' and it's effective

She won't win this election though, she's ~25 points behind in all polls which is not comparable to the deficits that Leave and Trump overturned. Macron will win but I doubt he will be the saviour of globalist, pro-EU politics that people hope he will be

[DemolitionRed]

Pot and kettle and you can't even see it. :joker:

Continuez à vous dire cela. :pipe2:

[Brillopad]

Continuez à vous dire cela. :pipe2:

Jusqu a la votre :laugh:

[Kizzy]

Jusqu a la votre :laugh:

hark at you being all cosmopolitan.... You'd never know you were in favour of England as a secular society :idc:

[Deirdre]

Macron has zero experience in politics... the guy has a degree in philosophy. France is screwed if either gets in.

[Livia]

There's a huge "Anyone But Macron" campaign going on right now.... and Le Pen has stepped down as leader of her party, just like De Gaulle did. Either of these people getting in is a terrifying thought...

[Livia]

hark at you being all cosmopolitan.... You'd never know you were in favour of England as a secular society :idc:

Not sure 'secular' was the word you were reaching for.

[Kizzy]

Not sure 'secular' was the word you were reaching for.

You're right I meant insular, thank you.

[Deirdre]

I'd be very surprised if Le Pen doesn't get in

[Kizzy]

Yes,with fascists running the UK and the US the more the merrier.....

[Deirdre]

France is in an absolute dire state. I'm not sure if anybody can save it, so guess it makes no difference

[Withano]

https://static.independent.co.uk/s3fs-public/styles/story_medium/public/thumbnails/image/2017/04/24/11/marine-le-pen-emmanuel-macron-statistics.png

[Brillopad]

Yes,with fascists running the UK and the US the more the merrier.....

And what fascists are they then, is that anyone on the opposite side of the political spectrum to yourself? Anyone who isn't a leftie ..... snore

If PC isn't facist I don't know what is. PC is the biggest facist of all.

[Kizzy]

And what fascists are they then, is that anyone on the opposite side of the political spectrum to yourself? Anyone who isn't a leftie ..... snore

If PC isn't facist I don't know what is.

I'll ignore the bating. I was referring to May and her ministers.

[Brillopad]

I'll ignore the bating. I was referring to May and her ministers.

At least she is a lot less likely to get us all killed. Corbyn puts us all at risk with his incredibly naive, reckless and idealistic desire to get rid of our nuclear protection. Yet again he demonstrates how blind and all consuming ideology can be. This view makes him dangerous.

[Kizzy]

And what fascists are they then, is that anyone on the opposite side of the political spectrum to yourself? Anyone who isn't a leftie ..... snore

If PC isn't facist I don't know what is. PC is the biggest facist of all.

Educate yourself.

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/C3d19m0UYAAwq7j.jpg:small

[Brillopad]

Educate yourself.

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/C3d19m0UYAAwq7j.jpg:small

If your views are education - no thanks.

[Kizzy]

At least she is a lot less likely to get us all killed. Corbyn puts us all at risk with his incredibly naive, reckless and idealistic desire to get rid of our nuclear protection. Yet again he demonstrates how blind and all consuming ideology can be. This view makes him dangerous.

The only ideology the tories have in war and death.... where are the policies for the living and the future?

Ramping up the fear of an attack only creates a nation in a state of high anxiety thus easier to manipulate to their will.

'WE HAVE TO DO THIS!! THEY'LL KILL US ALL!!!'

That's dangerous.

[Kizzy]

If your views are education - no thanks.

Ah well if you're going to let your personal prejudices cloud your judgement there's no helping you. This image is from the US Holocaust Memorial Museum.

[Brillopad]

Ah well if you're going to let your personal prejudices cloud your judgement there's no helping you. This image is from the US Holocaust Memorial Museum.

Many of those points can apply to both sides of politics. Labour is far from perfect - as history can endorse. Corbyn is on a planet of his own.

[Kizzy]

Many of those points can apply to both sides of politics. Labour is far from perfect - as history can endorse. Corbyn is on a planet of his own.

Which ones in particular?
We all know history has it's demons, what about the now?

This thread isn't about Corbyn, if you could temper your irrational hatred for a moment to discuss the issue of a far right extremist group jostling for in a prominence country 25 miles away that would be great.

[Brillopad]

Which ones in particular?
We all know history has it's demons, what about the now?

This thread isn't about Corbyn, if you could temper your irrational hatred for a moment to discuss the issue of a far right extremist group jostling for in a prominence country 25 miles away that would be great.

Maybe I could temper my 'irrational hatred' if you could temper yours.

Yes indeed history does have its demons including when you are whittering on about the injustices of the white race. No cake, no eat.

As far as France is concerned they need someone who will protect their country from terrorism and violence, same as us.

[Kizzy]

Maybe I could temper my 'irrational hatred' if you could temper yours.

Yes indeed history does have its demons including when you are whittering on about the injustices of the white race. No cake, no eat.

As far as France is concerned they need someone who will protect their country from terrorism and violence, same as us.

Is hating fascists irrational.... Who knew?

Hey if you are ashamed of our history don't shoot the messenger brillo.

We need fascists...Is that what you're saying?

[Withano]

As far as France is concerned they need someone who will protect their country from terrorism and violence, same as us.

Can you give an example of one president/prime minister in the world that is capable of doing this?

[Brillopad]

Is hating fascists irrational.... Who knew?

Hey if you are ashamed of our history don't shoot the messenger brillo.

We need fascists...Is that what you're saying?

If you don't believe that everyone, every race and every country has as history not to be so proud of then you are deluded. Blacks and Asians have been raping, pillaging, killing and murdering their own for centuries and, more importantly, still doing so. We all have a history unedifying as it may be to you.

White races have gone a long way to make-up for theirs but some are never satisfied. They are not responsible for those that cannot do the same and neither are they responsible for handing everything on a plate to those that haven't put in the same efforts to improve their thinking and therefore quality of lives.

[Withano]

Maybe I could temper my 'irrational hatred' if you could temper yours. .



White races have gone a long way to make-up for theirs but some are never satisfied. They are not responsible for those that cannot do the same and neither are they responsible for handing everything on a plate to those that haven't put in the same efforts to improve their thinking and therefore quality of lives.

:umm2: nobody was talking about your irrational hatred of non-whites or this groups history. This jump you made is pretty worrying.

[Northern Monkey]

If you don't believe that everyone, every race and every country has as history not to be so proud of then you are deluded. Blacks and Asians have been raping, pillaging, killing and murdering their own for centuries and, more importantly, still doing so. We all have a history unedifying as it may be to you.

White races have gone a long way to make-up for theirs but some are never satisfied. They are not responsible for those that cannot do the same and neither are they responsible for handing everything on a plate to those that haven't put in the same efforts to improve their thinking and therefore quality of lives.

This is very true.
Many on the left love to push this notion of 'white guilt' as if we're all responsible for our ancestors.
If that was the way forward the whole world would be running around apologising constantly.Many of the most barbaric civilisations in humanity are not and were not white.

[Withano]

This is very true.
Many on the left love to push this notion of 'white guilt' as if we're all responsible for our ancestors.
If that was the way forward the whole world would be running around apologising constantly.Many of the most barbaric civilisations in humanity are not and were not white.

I dont understand the relevance of any of this.
Is it because recent history is less relevant than some suggest, that we can/should elect fascists who promise to make similar mistakes?

[Northern Monkey]

I dont understand the relevance of any of this.
Is it because recent history is less relevant than some suggest, that we can/should elect fascists who promise to make similar mistakes?

I was agreeing with the post i quoted.Not necessarily in the context of the thread topic.

[Kizzy]

If you don't believe that everyone, every race and every country has as history not to be so proud of then you are deluded. Blacks and Asians have been raping, pillaging, killing and murdering their own for centuries and, more importantly, still doing so. We all have a history unedifying as it may be to you.



White races have gone a long way to make-up for theirs but some are never satisfied. They are not responsible for those that cannot do the same and neither are they responsible for handing everything on a plate to those that haven't put in the same efforts to improve their thinking and therefore quality of lives.

Whites don't murder or rape then?... Please stop embarrassing yourself, I appreciate your right to voice your prejudice but have the self awareness to realise when you're doing it.

Your prejudice is evident again here, where did we make a distinction between 'British' and 'white'?...

[Kizzy]

I was agreeing with the post i quoted.Not necessarily in the context of the thread topic.

Oh I think this colonial concept of blacks as savages fits in perfectly with the thread topic. The far right, NF and Marine love that stuff.

[Brillopad]

Oh I think this colonial concept of blacks as savages fits in perfectly with the thread topic. The far right, NF and Marine love that stuff.

Your words! That's infantile PC for you - the use of negative words and language as weapons against those they perceive are not towing the PC line. Sticks and stones.

[Brillopad]

Your prejudice is evident again here, where did we make a distinction between 'British' and 'white'?...

Can you not put your words in the middle of my post to make it look as if those are my words, is that even allowed.

The use of the word prejudice is just your definition of my words, not fact, so to attempt to present you opinion as fact is simply bias and misinformation. On the other hand my words about black an Asian history is fact.

I repeat sticks and stones. If you can't argue your case without name-calling that is proof enough.

[Northern Monkey]

Oh I think this colonial concept of blacks as savages fits in perfectly with the thread topic. The far right, NF and Marine love that stuff.

:joker: reaching

Now if that's not shouting 'racist' to shut down debate then idk what is:laugh:

Who has said that blacks are savages?

What Brillo was saying was that we all as civilisations have murky pasts.It's not just Britain who's the root of evil in the world.

[Withano]

:
Who has said that blacks are savages?

Blacks and Asians have been raping, pillaging, killing and murdering their own for centuries and, more importantly, still doing so.

.

[Northern Monkey]

.

Where does that say 'blacks are savages'?:joker:

[Kizzy]

Your words! That's infantile PC for you - the use of negative words and language as weapons against those they perceive are not towing the PC line. Sticks and stones.

Hey you brought up the differential between Blacks/Asians and Whites.... throw around your meaningless buzzwords all you like in an infantile manner, you have no other way of expressing yourself obviously.

You have leapt from issue to issue in the vain hope that it explains your point of view, Corbyn, nukes, terrorism, Blacks, Whites... it's just a disjointed fear driven mess.

[Withano]

Where does that say 'blacks are savages'?:joker:

Do you know what savage means? Brillo gave the definition of one in that post.

[Kizzy]

Can you not put your words in the middle of my post to make it look as if those are my words, is that even allowed.

The use of the word prejudice is just your definition of my words, not fact, so to attempt to present you opinion as fact is simply bias and misinformation. On the other hand my words about black an Asian history is fact.

I repeat sticks and stones. If you can't argue your case without name-calling that is proof enough.

I amended the post for you.

Your use of the nonsense term PC is just your non definition of your opinion as something that is in any way credible even though by using the term 'PC' you say absolutely nothing.

[Brillopad]

Hey you brought up the differential between Blacks/Asians and Whites.... throw around your meaningless buzzwords all you like in an infantile manner, you have no other way of expressing yourself obviously.

You have leapt from issue to issue in the vain hope that it explains your point of view, Corbyn, nukes, terrorism, Blacks, Whites... it's just a disjointed fear driven mess.

See someone only has to use the word black or Asian and you describe them as 'buzzwords' - more PC crap.

Rape and murder is still going on on a large scale in many black and Asian counties under certain regimes. There is nothing or no one to stop them - isn't that why we have such a refugee problem? Such things don't happen in the West. We have laws and civilisation to protect us. Those that commit such crimes are punished by law - they are not comparable. It is not a way of life as evident in many other countries.

PC is what is a mess. Emotional people desperately trying to guilt trip and control others into their way of thinking. Sick to the back teeth of it quite frankly.

[Kizzy]

:joker: reaching

Now if that's not shouting 'racist' to shut down debate then idk what is:laugh:

Who has said that blacks are savages?

What Brillo was saying was that we all as civilisations have murky pasts.It's not just Britain who's the root of evil in the world.

Then why were whites not included in the list of peoples still committing rapes and murders?....

Can you not even see when prejudice is evidenced?

I'm not 'name calling' it's apparent, there in black and white (lol)

[Northern Monkey]

Do you know what savage means? Brillo gave the definition of one in that post.

She didn't single one race out and call them savages'.Only one poster did that and it wasn't Brillo.

She pointed out a statement of fact in the context of informing another poster that Britain isn't the only country to have a brutal past.

[Brillopad]

Do you know what savage means? Brillo gave the definition of one in that post.

Do you?

[Livia]

This shame of being British is as tiresom as it is funny. What a blinkered, provincial concept... we did bad things in the past so we have to wear sack cloth and ashes forevermore... or we could celebrate the fact that this country was instrumental in the abolition of slavery (obviously forget the fact that slavery is going on all over the world right now... and black/arab/asian people may be involved! GASP!).

There is good and bad in every race and in every generation. The British Empire was just as cruel as any other "Empire" in history. But obviously, the British Empire is the only one that should be criticised. When was the last time you heard anyone bad-mouth Spain or Portugal for the atrocities carried out on the indiginous South American people? Aren't we supposed to be forgving Germany for their past? Why can't some people see that there is some good in being British. something to be proud of? We have given more money to Jordan during the Syrian refugee crisis than any otgher contry... £1 billion in humanitarian aid so far and another £84 million pledged to help Jordan's Government provide schooling for Syrian children. Doesn't sound very racist or anti-Muslim, does it.

But then again... this is the forum where someone actually said that British culture is nothing more than deciding whether or not to take an umbrella out with them.

Also, it's the same people weeping and wringing their hands over treatment of people in other countries that goes back more than a few lifetimes, that insist that anti_Semitism in the Labour party is not a thing! The far Left seem to be taking a leaf out of the far Right's book when it comes to Jews.

[Withano]

Do you?

If you don't believe you described behaviour of savages, then you need a quick recap of its definition. The fact that you claimed this behaviour was still happening by blacks and asians, whilst making the differientation of whites is simply disgusting, and honestly so naive. Christ get some perspective.
Im still a bit dumbfounded that you havent retracted any of your statements yet. I'm not sure if you're stubborn or actually racist.
It isn't okay to go off on a tangent about black and asian people being savages in a discussion about British history. This is not normal behaviour. Its worrying.

[Northern Monkey]

Then why were whites not included in the list of peoples still committing rapes and murders?....

Can you not even see when prejudice is evidenced?

I'm not 'name calling' it's apparent, there in black and white (lol)

Why would she include whites in a post where she's using black and Asian countries as a counter to your anti Britain sentiment?

[Kizzy]

See someone only has to use the word black or Asian and you describe them as 'buzzwords' - more PC crap.

Rape and murder is still going on on a large scale in many black and Asian counties under certain regimes. There is nothing or no one to stop them - isn't that why we have such a refugee problem? Such things don't happen in the West. We have laws and civilisation to protect us. Those that commit such crimes are punished by law - they are not comparable. It is not a way of life as evident in many other countries.

PC is what is a mess. Emotional people desperately trying to guilt trip and control others into their way of thinking. Sick to the back teeth of it quite frankly.

PC is the buzzword... :/

Oh we should go and educate these heathens into how to act civilly shouldn't we?... If only there was a manual.
I wonder if the Imperialists left any?

[Kizzy]

Why would she include whites in a post where she's using black and Asian countries as a counter to your anti Britain sentiment?

Hold the phone... What anti Britain sentiment? :/

[Withano]

Why would she include whites in a post where she's using black and Asian countries as a counter to your anti Britain sentiment?

Why would she bring up race at all?

[Livia]

Hold the phone... What anti Britain sentiment? :/

LMFAOOOOOoooooooooo

You're kidding, right?

[Kizzy]

She didn't single one race out and call them savages'.Only one poster did that and it wasn't Brillo.

She pointed out a statement of fact in the context of informing another poster that Britain isn't the only country to have a brutal past.

We have a brutal present, and a brutal future to look forward to ....where is the acknowledgement of that?

Also where in this multi racial cross referencing did 'Britain' become separated as 'White'?

[Livia]

Why would she bring up race at all?

Becasue it's a thread about the French Election, which features a racist as a candidate. Catch up, Withano...

[Withano]

Becasue it's a thread about the French Election, which features a racist as a candidate. Catch up, Withano...

Too quick on the condescending tone there, Livia. This is a side discussion on the history of Britishness. She switched the subject to the history of blacks and asians. Which is telling of her mindset imo, especially considering that she hasnt retracted or elaborated upon the post despite having ample opportunity to do so.

[Kizzy]

LMFAOOOOOoooooooooo

You're kidding, right?

Nope I'm debating a topic Livia I don't have time for your baiting.

[Brillopad]

Too quick on the condescending tone there, Livia. This is a side discussion on the history of Britishness.

No there isn't. That's in your head.

[Northern Monkey]

LMFAOOOOOoooooooooo

You're kidding, right?:joker:

[Kizzy]

Becasue it's a thread about the French Election, which features a racist as a candidate. Catch up, Withano...

It does, however the sympathies appear to lie with the fascist racist, I've tried to point this out but the response is I'm a PC with emotions :/

[Livia]

Nope I'm debating a topic Livia I don't have time for your baiting.

How come it's only baiting when I reply? Never when you do?

And anyhoo, I wasn't baiting, I am genuinely incredulous at just how disingenuous that comment was.

[Livia]

It does, however the sympathies appear to lie with the fascist racist, I've tried to point this out but the response is I'm a PC with emotions :/

YOu must be reading another thread. Unless you genuinely believe people who aren't as far left as you are racist, fascist monsters.

[Withano]

No there isn't. That's in your head.

Apart from it was. But it works well in your favour if you pretend to not know of this.



Hey if you are ashamed of our history don't shoot the messenger brillo.

We need fascists...Is that what you're saying?

If you don't believe that everyone, every race and every country has as history not to be so proud of then you are deluded. Blacks and Asians have been raping, pillaging, killing and murdering their own for centuries and, more importantly, still doing so. We all have a history unedifying as it may be to you.

White races have gone a long way to make-up for theirs but some are never satisfied. They are not responsible for those that cannot do the same and neither are they responsible for handing everything on a plate to those that haven't put in the same efforts to improve their thinking and therefore quality of lives.

Still, you should elaborate on this post. You brought up the negative sides to entire races (but not whites) in response to a discussion about British history. I dont think you should leave your thoughts like this. It is worrying.

[Northern Monkey]

We have a brutal present, and a brutal future to look forward to ....where is the acknowledgement of that?

Also where in this multi racial cross referencing did 'Britain' become separated as 'White'?

Er you were talking about British history in a thread about fascism.:laugh:

What skin colour did British people have in colonial times?

[Kizzy]

This shame of being British is as tiresom as it is funny. What a blinkered, provincial concept... we did bad things in the past so we have to wear sack cloth and ashes forevermore... or we could celebrate the fact that this country was instrumental in the abolition of slavery (obviously forget the fact that slavery is going on all over the world right now... and black/arab/asian people may be involved! GASP!).

There is good and bad in every race and in every generation. The British Empire was just as cruel as any other "Empire" in history. But obviously, the British Empire is the only one that should be criticised. When was the last time you heard anyone bad-mouth Spain or Portugal for the atrocities carried out on the indiginous South American people? Aren't we supposed to be forgving Germany for their past? Why can't some people see that there is some good in being British. something to be proud of? We have given more money to Jordan during the Syrian refugee crisis than any otgher contry... £1 billion in humanitarian aid so far and another £84 million pledged to help Jordan's Government provide schooling for Syrian children. Doesn't sound very racist or anti-Muslim, does it.

But then again... this is the forum where someone actually said that British culture is nothing more than deciding whether or not to take an umbrella out with them.

Also, it's the same people weeping and wringing their hands over treatment of people in other countries that goes back more than a few lifetimes, that insist that anti_Semitism in the Labour party is not a thing! The far Left seem to be taking a leaf out of the far Right's book when it comes to Jews.

What are you attempting to accuse people of now?... :/

Those foreign aid payments are balked at, they are something to be proud of but you wouldn't think it in the responses to them be honest.

What a pathetic accusatory post, as has been covered extensively over many threads every party has had issues only Labour however formally addressed them.

However it was a good deflection from you .

[Kizzy]

How come it's only baiting when I reply? Never when you do?

And anyhoo, I wasn't baiting, I am genuinely incredulous at just how disingenuous that comment was.

Then express that, how else am I to interprate your mocking otherwise?

[Kizzy]

Er you were talking about British history in a thread about fascism.:laugh:

What skin colour did British people have in colonial times?

You are confusing yourself... read Withanos post to give you an indication of my reasoning behind my query.

[Brillopad]

Apart from it was. But it works well in your favour if you pretend to not know of this.






Still, you should elaborate on this post. You brought up the negative sides to entire races (but not whites) in response to a discussion about British history. I dont think you should leave your thoughts like this. It is worrying.

What are you on about. Kizzy was going on about our violent history (white) and I simply stated that whites weren't the only race with a violent history. Is that a lie then? She was the one being racist if you want to go down that route. Is that seriously your interpretation of my (racist) mindset. Nevermind your apparent PC mindset then.

[Brillopad]

You are confusing yourself... read Withanos post to give you an indication of my reasoning behind my query.

You are kidding of course! :joker:

[Brillopad]

What are you attempting to accuse people of now?... :/



Says the accuser of accusers. :shrug:

[Withano]

What are you on about. Kizzy was going on about our violent history (white) and I simply stated that whites weren't the only race with a violent history. Is that a lie then? She was the one being racist if you want to go down that route. Is that seriously your interpretation of my (racist) mindset. Nevermind your apparent PC mindset then.

No. Only you brought up race. It was a weird jump out of nowhere. And I'm trying to give you an opportunity to explain your race-based posts so that you dont come off as a blaring racist. Help yourself jesus.

[Kizzy]

What are you on about. Kizzy was going on about our violent history (white) and I simply stated that whites weren't the only race with a violent history. Is that a lie then? She was the one being racist if you want to go down that route. Is that seriously your interpretation of my (racist) mindset. Nevermind your apparent PC mindset then.

Nope... Look at your post again, you inferred that Blacks and Asians were and are still raping and murdering, yet Whites were but do not any longer..... Which is a flagrant example of your prejudice.

[Kizzy]

You are kidding of course! :joker:

Nope.

[Kizzy]

Says the accuser of accusers. :shrug:

Yep says me, I can back up my statements and indeed I have. I won't hold my breath for any clarification as to other ambiguous accusations leveled at myself or 'the left' in general.

[Tom4784]

What are you on about. Kizzy was going on about our violent history (white) and I simply stated that whites weren't the only race with a violent history. Is that a lie then? She was the one being racist if you want to go down that route. Is that seriously your interpretation of my (racist) mindset. Nevermind your apparent PC mindset then.

She was referring to british history, it is you that leapt to race. Look at these two posts.

Is hating fascists irrational.... Who knew?

Hey if you are ashamed of our history don't shoot the messenger brillo.

We need fascists...Is that what you're saying?

If you don't believe that everyone, every race and every country has as history not to be so proud of then you are deluded. Blacks and Asians have been raping, pillaging, killing and murdering their own for centuries and, more importantly, still doing so. We all have a history unedifying as it may be to you.

White races have gone a long way to make-up for theirs but some are never satisfied. They are not responsible for those that cannot do the same and neither are they responsible for handing everything on a plate to those that haven't put in the same efforts to improve their thinking and therefore quality of lives.

Kizzy didn't bring race into it, you made that leap and it's undeniable.

[Brillopad]

Nope... Look at your post again, you inferred that Blacks and Asians were and are still raping and murdering, yet Whites were but do not any longer..... Which is a flagrant example of your prejudice.

What is happening in Syria right now? What is happening to women in Saudi right now? What is happening in parts of Africa right now? Are you trying to deny that this goes on in these counties right now under certain regimes? Is there anyone to help them? Do they have laws to protect them?

Do these crimes occur on the same scale here? Do we have a system in place that outlaws it and punishes? There is no comparison and if you don't understand that - I feel for you.

[Brillopad]

She was referring to british history, it is you that leapt to race. Look at these two posts.





Kizzy didn't bring race into it, you made that leap and it's undeniable.

It is completely deniable. I stated the obvious. As already mentioned colonial British history is white so who else would she be talking about? I presented the obvious fact that you can't level those kind of allegations against just one race, unless of course you are totally biased. History speaks for itself.

[Withano]

What is happening in Syria right now? What is happening to women in Saudi right now? What is happening in parts of Africa right now? Are you trying to deny that this goes on in these counties right now under certain regimes? Is there anyone to help them? Do they have laws to protect them?

Do these crimes occur on the same scale here? Do we have a system in place that outlaws it and punishes? There is no comparison and if you don't understand that - I feel for you.

But you not only thought this was relevant to 'our' history, it almost comes off as you trying to excuse 'our' history, and the idea that you brought race into it at all appears incredibly telling of your mindset.
You havent retracted or elaborated upon any of this, so what are we supposed to believe other than you having a high bias for your own race.
Because when you read 'our history' you firstly automatically jumped to race, which on its own is worrying, then you pointed out the flaws of other races, and lastly pointed out the successes of your own race.
Brillo, you are honestly heavily implying something and I think you need to start taking this seriously or step away from the keyboard.
I'm not making the obvious allegation, because I'm not convinced that you are aware of how your posts have come across.

[Brillopad]

She was referring to british history, it is you that leapt to race. Look at these two posts.





Kizzy didn't bring race into it, you made that leap and it's undeniable.

What British history do you think she is taking about then!

[Northern Monkey]

Everyone quoting Brillos post and totally ignoring the very first sentence....

'If you don't believe that everyone, every race and every country has as history not to be so proud of then you are deluded.'

Context anyone?

[Kizzy]

What is happening in Syria right now? What is happening to women in Saudi right now? What is happening in parts of Africa right now? Are you trying to deny that this goes on in these counties right now under certain regimes? Is there anyone to help them? Do they have laws to protect them?

Do these crimes occur on the same scale here? Do we have a system in place that outlaws it and punishes? There is no comparison and if you don't understand that - I feel for you.

So what are you saying, these people don't know how to behave because they are not White or British?..... :/

[Brillopad]

But you not only thought this was relevant to 'our' history, it almost comes off as you trying to excuse 'our' history, and the idea that you brought race into it at all appears incredibly telling of your mindset.
You havent retracted or elaborated upon any of this, so what are we supposed to believe other than you having a high bias for your own race.
Because when you read 'our history' you firstly automatically jumped to race, which on its own is worrying, then you pointed out the flaws of other races, and lastly pointed out the successes of your own race.
Brillo, you are honestly heavily implying something and I think you need to start taking this seriously or step away from the keyboard.
I'm not making the obvious allegation, because I'm not convinced that you are aware of how your posts have come across.

How did I excuse our history by stating a fact that every race has a history? How did that determine my mindset in your mind?

A couple of you are trying to put words in my mouth now for obvious reasons so I will only respond to posters without such an agenda.

[Kizzy]

Everyone quoting Brillos post and totally ignoring the very first sentence....

'If you don't believe that everyone, every race and every country has as history not to be so proud of then you are deluded.'

Context anyone?

Isn't that just stating the bleeding obvious? To get some context examine what was said after that sentence also.

[Kizzy]

How did I excuse our history by stating a fact that every race has a history? How did that determine my mindset in your mind?

A couple of you are trying to put words in my mouth now for obvious reasons so I will only respond to posters without such an agenda.

I wasn't expecting you to explain your reasoning tbh

[Withano]

How did I excuse our history by stating a fact that every race has a history? How did that determine my mindset in your mind?

A couple of you are trying to put words in my mouth now for obvious reasons so I will only respond to posters without such an agenda.

Genuinely tried to help you straighten your weird post, leave it as it is, i dont ****ing care.
We saw you jump from 'our history' to going off on a tangent about races. This is weird, this is worrying, and this might suggest to those that do not know you that you have an irrational obsession with race. It was never a discussion point that you had in the thread.
If you believe that people are trying to put words in your mouth, that is because others have probably read your posts in a different way than you intended. This is progress. You should determine which of your words caused confusion and elaborate on what you were trying to say.
Every race has a history, sure, this was never really relevant. The fact that you thought it was paramount is unsettling.

[Tom4784]

It is completely deniable. I stated the obvious. As already mentioned colonial British history is white so who else would she be talking about? I presented the obvious fact that you can't level those kind of allegations against just one race, unless of course you are totally biased. History speaks for itself.

White history and British history are not one and the same especially considering that there's evidence to suggest that people of other ethnicities existed in the UK since Roman times. To suggest that White History is the same as British history is rather ignorant.

You brought race into it, you jumped straight to it in a discussion of british history and culture.

[Tom4784]

What British history do you think she is taking about then!

Well, obviously the empire. Surely that didn't need saying?

[Brillopad]

:umm2: nobody was talking about your irrational hatred of non-whites or this groups history. This jump you made is pretty worrying.

Perfect example or words in mouth and baiting, I need say no more.

[Withano]

Perfect example or words in mouth and baiting, I need say no more.

:facepalm:

[Northern Monkey]

Isn't that just stating the bleeding obvious? To get some context examine what was said after that sentence also.

Everyone has already examined what was said after with great interest.
However the first sentence adds context to and sets the tone for the rest of the post.
Anyone can embolden a tiny part of somebody's post and take it out of context.Abit like when the media cuts snippets out of a politician or celebrities interview and makes it mean what they want it to.
One of the first things she said was 'EVERY RACE'

[Kizzy]

Everyone has already examined what was said after with great interest.
However the first sentence adds context to and sets the tone for the rest of the post.
Anyone can embolden a tiny part of somebody's post and take it out of context.Abit like when the media cuts snippets out of a politician or celebrities interview and makes it mean what they want it to.
One of the first things she said was 'EVERY RACE'

Yes.... I see this, however this does not detract from the inference that Whites are no longer raping and murdering..... can you identify that from the context of the post?

Can you not see also why some see this as a proclamation of superiority?

[Northern Monkey]

Yes.... I see this, however this does not detract from the inference that Whites are no longer raping and murdering..... can you identify that from the context of the post?

Can you not see also why some see this as a proclamation of superiority?

She was using black and Asian countries as a comparison to Britain.
She didn't say that white people don't murder anyone.You only have to look at murder figures to show that what she stated is a fact.
African,Asian,Arab countries have much higher murder rates than Britain.I don't even need to google murder rates to know this is fact.
Even in the US 13% of the population are responsible for 52% of murders.You don't have to be racist or to be saying 'black people are savages' to recognise this.
Hiding from the truth to look 'progressive' is wait for it........


Political correctness

And it solves nothing.

[Brillopad]

Yes.... I see this, however this does not detract from the inference that Whites are no longer raping and murdering..... can you identify that from the context of the post?

Can you not see also why some see this as a proclamation of superiority?

Again you are presenting your interpretation of my words as fact. Your perception is not beyond critique. The point I was making is that you are always denegrating Britain and British culture, despite the fact is has taken in a lot of people from other cultures who have made it their home. It also gives a lot in foreign aid.

When you constantly make remarks about its history implying or conviently ignoring that other cultures/races don't have a similar history you can't complain when others challenge that perception - facts say differently.

There are still similar issues still going on in certain parts of the world today or are we not allowed to mention that. Fact is fact - you can't just ignore that or shut people down with shouts of racism. You then tried to compare the violence and lawlessness going on in such countries with life here when there is clearly no comparison. You then interpret that as racism and superiority when yet again that is your opinion not fact. You really will only see what you want to which is your right, but it is not your right to attempt to twist my words and shut me down with such infantile allegations.

[Kizzy]

She was using black and Asian countries as a comparison to Britain.
She didn't say that white people don't murder anyone.You only have to look at murder figures to show that what she stated is a fact.
African,Asian,Arab countries have much higher murder rates than Britain.I don't even need to google murder rates to know this is fact.
Even in the US 13% of the population are responsible for 52% of murders.You don't have to be racist or to be saying 'black people are savages' to recognise this.
Hiding from the truth to look 'progressive' is wait for it........


Political correctness

And it solves nothing.

What does PC have to do with this?... Whether in relation to the UK or the wider world what is the point of the comparison?....

What if not to assert that Whites are in some way superior, otherwise why the comparisons, what other point is being proven here?... I am at a loss what is my addled PC brain not comprehending what is being conveyed?.... HELP ME!!!!!!

[Kizzy]

Again you are presenting your interpretation of my words as fact. Your perception is not beyond critique. The point I was making is that you are always denegrating Britain and British culture, despite the fact is has taken in a lot of people from other cultures who have made it their home. It also gives a lot in foreign aid.

When you constantly make remarks about its history implying or conviently ignoring that other cultures/races don't have a similar history you can't complain when others challenge that perception - facts say differently.

There are still similar issues still going on in certain parts of the world today or are we not allowed to mention that. Fact is fact - you can't just ignore that or shut people down with shouts of racism. You then tried to compare the violence and lawlessness going on in such countries with life here when there is clearly no comparison. You then interpret that as racism and superiority when yet again that is your opinion not fact. You really will only see what you want to which is your right, but it is not your right to attempt to twist my words and shut me down with such infantile allegations.

I have twisted nothing... You made a statement about murders and rapists past and present and their ethnicity. That's it...
I asked for clarification and nothing has been forthcoming, now it appears you are accusing me of being PC and infantile for daring to question your statement.

[Niamh.]

Deleted some posts in here, can you all either stay on topic or stop posting in here please. It's getting really nasty and personal

[Brillopad]

Mocking? I asked, Withano and Dezzy also queried your wording in your post as it made distinct reference to ethnicity, the lines have been blurred as to whether your accusation was to those at home or abroad.

I will try one final time, are you in your post presuming you are focusing on the UK suggesting that White people in the present no longer rape or murder?

Frankly that is what I and seemingly others took from that statement, can you explain why I am wrong in thinking that is what you meant?

And others supported mine. So that comment proves what?

That second paragraph again isn't clear but I will repeat what I have already said that there are still issues of lawlessness (including rape and murder) in other parts of the world that can't be compared to the UK. Is that untrue? Of course people rape and murder in the UK, I never said differently, just not on the same scale, in part due to the consequences to them - fairer laws here protect against it, partly do to education and belief systems.

For instance a white man could rape a black woman and, if proven, would be convicted. There would be no discrimination. Rape of women isn't even recognised in certain parts of the world - there is no such protection. How can you possibly make any comparisons - it makes no sense, just as your one-sided criticism of Britain's 'violent' history makes no sense.

[Kizzy]

And others supported mine. So that comment proves what?

That second paragraph again isn't clear but I will repeat what I have already said that there are still issues of lawlessness (including rape and murder) in other parts of the world that can't be compared to the UK. Is that untrue? Of course people rape and murder in the UK, I never said differently, just not on the same scale, in part due to the consequences to them - fairer laws here protect against it, partly do to education and belief systems.

For instance a white man could rape a black woman and, if proven, would be convicted. There would be no discrimination. Rape of women isn't even recognised in certain parts of the world - there is no such protection. How can you possibly make any comparisons - it makes no sense, just as your one-sided criticism of Britain makes no sense.

Your disjointed post makes no sense, this explanation does nothing to address the issues raised by your initial comment.

[Brillopad]

Your disjointed post makes no sense, this explanation does nothing to address the issues raised by your initial comment.

I can't make it any clearer. Black and white people in Britain rape and murder, I never said any different, but in much lower numbers than in many other countries due to the knowledge they would likely be caught and spend a lot of time in jail. We have laws as deterrents.

There are other countries in the world where there are few, if any, deterrents, Men are generally free to rape women without consequence and murder too. Such crimes are common place in countries with violent lawless regimes such as Syria, and several African countries, hence the large number of refugees coming to the West.

If you don't understand that then it is clearly your comprehension skills that are the problem.

[arista]

From CNN HD Report
in France students have protested
as they do not want Banker Macron
or Le Pen.

And Macron
was going to a whirlpool factory
and Le Pen beat him
talking to the workers outside on strike
before Macron did.

[Kizzy]

I can't make it any clearer. Black and white people in Britain rape and murder, I never said any different, but in much lower numbers than in many other countries due to the knowledge they would likely be caught and spend a lot of time in jail. We have laws as deterrents.

There are other countries in the world where there are few, if any, deterrents, Men are generally free to rape women without consequence and murder too. Such crimes are common place in countries with violent lawless regimes such as Syria, and several African countries, hence the large number of refugees coming to the West.

If you don't understand that then it is clearly your comprehension skills that are the problem.

I asked, Withano and Dezzy also queried your wording in your post as it made distinct reference to ethnicity, the lines have been blurred as to whether your accusation was to those at home or abroad.

I will try one final time, are you in your post presuming you are focusing on the UK suggesting that White people in the present no longer rape or murder?

Frankly that is what I and seemingly others took from that statement, can you explain why I am wrong in thinking that is what you meant?

[Brillopad]

I asked, Withano and Dezzy also queried your wording in your post as it made distinct reference to ethnicity, the lines have been blurred as to whether your accusation was to those at home or abroad.

I will try one final time, are you in your post presuming you are focusing on the UK suggesting that White people in the present no longer rape or murder?

Frankly that is what I and seemingly others took from that statement, can you explain why I am wrong in thinking that is what you meant?

Are you kidding - how many times do I have to say it. You know exactly what point I was making. Twist away, others can read and use their own comprehension skills.

If it wasn't so tiresome it would actually be quite amusing that you actually think you are being clever. :nono:

[Withano]

Are you kidding - how many times do I have to say it. You know exactly what point I was making. Twist away, others can read and use their own comprehension skills.

If it wasn't so tiresome it would actually be quite amusing that you actually think you are being clever. :nono:

I dont understand why you made the point, not necessarily the point as a whole (although, it still isnt crystal). You were in a conversation about British history and you brought up the downsides to entire races, as an attempt to justify British history. It was weird.
It is your comprehension skills that has led us here in the first place, with your insane irrational response, that strayed miles from the topic.
You havent reiterated why you did this, and I've made peace with the fact that you just have an irrational obsession with your own, and others' race. I think you should work on this, cos it came off horrendously to those that read the post in the context it was supposed to be in had you not strayed to a weird place.

[Kizzy]

Are you kidding - how many times do I have to say it. You know exactly what point I was making. Twist away, others can read and use their own comprehension skills.

If it wasn't so tiresome it would actually be quite amusing that you actually think you are being clever. :nono:

I didn't, and neither did others so it wasn't purely my own assessment.

All I asked you to do was clarify your point, and now you are levveling all manner of insults.

I have long ago lost interest tbh, I'm just going to draw a line under this one save any further unpleasantness.

[smudgie]

Are you kidding - how many times do I have to say it. You know exactly what point I was making. Twist away, others can read and use their own comprehension skills.

If it wasn't so tiresome it would actually be quite amusing that you actually think you are being clever. :nono:

I got it, I suppose it's a simple case of people having crossed lines.:shrug:
This is what happens when the topic veers off so much:joker:

[Withano]

I got it, I suppose it's a simple case of people having crossed lines.:shrug:
This is what happens when the topic veers off so much:joker:

Oh good, maybe you could explain the link between British history and generalisations of all blacks and asians, cos nobody else can.

[Brillopad]

Oh good, maybe you could explain the link between British history and all blacks and asians, cos nobody else can.

Maybe you can explain why any reasonable person would consider it reasonable to question the history of one country but not others. Comparisons can be made - it's not rocket science - not to most anyway! :shrug:

[Withano]

Maybe you can explain why any reasonable person would consider it reasonable to question the history of one country but not others. Comparisons can be made - it's not rocket science - not to most anyway! :shrug:

That isnt what you did though? You didnt compare country to country, you compared white people to blacks and asians in a conversation about British history. Its still weird.

[smudgie]

Oh good, maybe you could explain the link between British history and generalisations of all blacks and asians, cos nobody else can.

Simple, you generalised.
I read it differently to you.
Historically it was all ethnicities that raped and pillaged..as in war.
In the here and now the British are not at war and don't rape and pillage as an army, unfortunately it still does go on elsewhere.
Well that is the way I read it, once you get through the muddle.
As to rape and murder as a crime statistic in different countries it is up and down all over.

[Brillopad]

That isnt what you did though? You didnt compare country to country, you compared white people to blacks and asians in a conversation about British history. Its still weird.

I compared country to country. It's not me that's weird.

[Withano]

I compared country to country. It's not me that's weird.

Do you think that all blacks and asians is a country? Or?

Edit: wait, do you think all of britain is white?

[Withano]

This is ridiculous. But at least you care enough to twist the story this much.

You were in a conversation about british or "our" histroy and your mind jumped to the history of white people
This suggested to me that you had an irrational obsession with races
You then mentioned the negatives of other races, and the positives of your own race
This might suggest to others something a lot darker

You were asked to justify your weird jump several times, and you simply didnt and thats disappointing.
But you twisting the story this much does, in a weird way, prove that you care a tiny bit perhaps? which i think is as good as you can get. So I guess we're done.

[Brillopad]

I didn't, and neither did others so it wasn't purely my own assessment.

All I asked you to do was clarify your point, and now you are levveling all manner of insults.

I have long ago lost interest tbh, I'm just going to draw a line under this one save any further unpleasantness.

It takes two, or should I say four, so don't play the innocent.

Happy to leave you to it. :wavey:

[Livia]

Oh good, maybe you could explain the link between British history and generalisations of all blacks and asians, cos nobody else can.

It's a little like the generalisation you make about British history, the harm we all did, lumping all the British people together as one when the majority of the population never made a penny from the Empire and a huge percentage of British people at the time of the British Empire were living in abject, grinding poverty.

[Withano]

It's a little like the generalisation you make about British history, the harm we all did, lumping all the British people together as one when the majority of the population never made a penny from the Empire and a huge percentage of British people at the time of the British Empire were living in abject, grinding poverty.

I havent said a thing about British history in this thread and probably the rest of tibb :shrug: im just asking why talking about the flaws of entire races was relevant to it. It still isnt. None of the above makes it relevant. It was just an opportunity to spout racial hatred as far as I can see.

[UserSince2005]

I had a dream le pen won last night

the pound shot up

i was so happy

but it went horrible, it was ****ed up. Evil Liberals got their own way.

[Livia]

I havent said a thing about British history in this thread and probably the rest of tibb :shrug: im just asking why talking about the flaws of entire races was relevant to it. It still isnt. None of the above makes it relevant. It was just an opportunity to spout racial hatred as far as I can see.

Brillopad was using the same analogy, about people in EVERY country having faults. But their words were taken out of context, screwed up, kicked around and rearranged. The slightly obtuse nipping at (him or her, sorry Brillo... ) has made it look like people on TiBB who lean to the Left can't understand simple English. And I KNOW you can, Withano.

[Niamh.]

Brillopad was using the same analogy, about people in EVERY country having faults. But their words were taken out of context, screwed up, kicked around and rearranged. The slightly obtuse nipping at (him or her, sorry Brillo... ) has made it look like people on TiBB who lean to the Left can't understand simple English. And I KNOW you can, Withano.

her

[Withano]

Brillopad was using the same analogy, about people in EVERY country having faults. But their words were taken out of context, screwed up, kicked around and rearranged. The slightly obtuse nipping at (him or her, sorry Brillo... ) has made it look like people on TiBB who lean to the Left can't understand simple English. And I KNOW you can, Withano.

She never said a thing about countries, she only mentioned ethnicities. I only ever wanted to know why, this defence ignores everything that happened in the only post I questioned, and actually you changed the context of that post, not "the Left that can't understand simple English". Why do you love circles.

[Kizzy]

7vmLW5s4GdE

[Brillopad]

7vmLW5s4GdE

And! Both extremes prey on the vulnerable and gullible.

Are you trying to suggest that any criticism of left wing ideology such as mass immigration and PC makes people 'far right'.

How very convenient and predictable for the left wing to attempt to close down 'any' opposition to their belief systems by such a blatant attempt to undermine different views.

Big fat fail.

[Withano]

And! Both extremes prey on the vulnerable and gullible.

Are you trying to suggest that any criticism of left wing ideology such as mass immigration and PC makes people 'far right'.

How very convenient and predictable for the left wing to attempt to close down 'any' opposition to their belief systems by such a blatant attempt to undermine different views.

Big fat fail.

Source of ult-left organisation recruiting the vunerable or stop your baiting

[Brillopad]

Source of ult-left organisation recruiting the vunerable or stop your baiting

:wavey:

[Kizzy]

And! Both extremes prey on the vulnerable and gullible.

Are you trying to suggest that any criticism of left wing ideology such as mass immigration and PC makes people 'far right'.

How very convenient and predictable for the left wing to attempt to close down 'any' opposition to their belief systems by such a blatant attempt to undermine different views.

Big fat fail.

It's a thread that specifically relates to the far right, I posted a vid that relates specifically to their recruitment techniques ... I'm at a loss at to why this upsets you so much :/

[Wizard.]

Macron has won with 65% of the vote.

[Shaun]

Thought it'd be closer than that... bye you flop bitch!

[Braden]

I'm genuinely relieved.

[Brother Leon]

Congrats to the French. Good to see insanity isn't spreading at least.

[arista]

Yes banker Macron won it.


What was good about this election
you could also put a vote for none of them
- thats what we need

[Alf]

Ah! the delight of the establishment Storm-Troopers.

[Black Dagger]

Bye you racist flop x

[Withano]

Well thats good news

[Denver]

He needs to give France what they want Frexit

[Greg!]

Except they don't want it do they?

[Greg!]

Anyway glad the fascist got roundly thrashed x

[MB.]

Good work, France

[Alf]

I'll give it inside 2 years before civil war in France,.

[Nick.]

Well done France, the evil is defeated - Great to see such a huge defeat.

[arista]

http://e3.365dm.com/17/05/536x302/206ac613ffed99432363e126132ec015c1f476a823a6545850 55c261910cbecd_3947766.jpg?20170507190906

[Jack_]

drinking fascist tears etc

[Alf]

drinking fascist tears etcYour favourite tipple Jack.

[Jack_]

Your favourite tipple Jack.

You know it!

[Alf]

I'm waving a White flag, in solidarity with the French.

[Denver]

Except they don't want it do they?

Yes they do because the EU has helped with the terrorist attacks on France

[MB.]

Yes they do because the EU has helped with the terrorist attacks on France

Then they probably should have voted for the anti-EU candidate rather than the pro-EU one, shouldn't they

[Denver]

Then they probably should have voted for the anti-EU candidate rather than the pro-EU one, shouldn't they

No because she was not the right person

[Cherie]

Unbelievable that the National Front got so far, sanity prevailed

[Cherie]

No because she was not the right person

National Front Adam, National Front look up the history

[Northern Monkey]

I think everyone knew she couldn't win.She has gained support and legitimacy though.The worrying thing is that if Europe doesn't sort this migration problem out then she will only gain more power.

[Niamh.]

Congrats to the French. Good to see insanity isn't spreading at least.

Indeed :clap2:

[Livia]

Relieved at the result... somewhat. People voted for Macron, despite the fact he has no experience, is a former investment banker and member of the "establishment" because he was the alternative to an anti-Semitic racist. But she still pulled in one third of the vote. One third... Le Pen is now the opposition in France... and at the next election?

It's a worrying time and the fact that Macron won has only eased my fears for the moment.

[user104658]

He needs to give France what they want Frexit

Yeah, they want it so badly that they voted against the candidate who was most likely to deliver it. Clamoring for it, they are. Ravenous.

[Livia]

Yeah, they want it so badly that they voted against the candidate who was most likely to deliver it. Clamoring for it, they are. Ravenous.

Even the most rabid Brexiteer would probably not have voted for the English Defence League in order to get it. I don't see Le Pen as any better than them.

[Tom4784]

https://31.media.tumblr.com/150e3ac457da6e4bd74e0a25fffe61ea/tumblr_inline_nlb4l01cMo1qgk4m1.gif

[user104658]

Even the most rabid Brexiteer would probably not have voted for the English Defence League in order to get it. I don't see Le Pen as any better than them.

The most rabid Brexiteers are the EDL. Surely. I can't imagine any of them voted "Remain" :think:

[Denver]

Yeah, they want it so badly that they voted against the candidate who was most likely to deliver it. Clamoring for it, they are. Ravenous.

Do you even know what you are talking about? Alot of French people are either black or middle eastern no matter how much they won't out of the EU they will not put themselves at risk to someone who hates anyone that isn't white

[Denver]

It's likely her daughter will take over now

[Braden]

Okay, bear with me. I'm not well-informed with politics as many people on this forum are, in comparison.

However, with Emmanuel Macron winning the French presedential election under a centre political party, I wonder whether this political outlook could be a positive way forward? I feel there's such aminosity between the left-wing/right-wing that this literal compromise may be beneficial for most indiviudals? Obviously that doesn't mean it has its faults—I understand that people believe En Marche! are masquerading liberal views in this regard. I also know the establishment of such political parties within culture would make it difficult for newer centrist parties to gain momentum. For example. I think, the closest thing to a centrist party in the UK are the Liberal Democrats.

Is centrism, in a less technical term, 'fence-sitting'? idk, I feel that that idea has its benefits, and if there were such a party in the UK that valued centrism—I would vote for them. Or is it better to utilise the centre-part of the spectrum, and then have left-leaning, or right-leaning values?

[Alf]

"Just wanna dance the night away"

Look at those moves! She can still cut a rug with the best of them.


eFZyHsKq1fg

[Alf]

Le Pen is stepping down from politics, citing personal reasons.


You can all sleep that little bit easier now.

[Deirdre]

"Just wanna dance the night away"

Look at those moves! She can still cut a rug with the best of them.


eFZyHsKq1fg

this is the funniest thing I've ever seen. are those teenage girls she's dancing with? :laugh:

[Cherie]

Le Pen is stepping down from politics, citing personal reasons.


You can all sleep that little bit easier now.

Maybe she has fallen in love with a foreigner :hehe:

[MTVN]

Le Pen is stepping down from politics, citing personal reasons.


You can all sleep that little bit easier now.

It's her niece who's an MP that's stepping down not Marine

[Alf]

It's her niece who's an MP that's stepping down not MarineSo it is. That'll teach me to break a story quickly.

Their names are very similar (I'm having that as my excuse)7

Sorry people, you'll still have to live in fear for the time being.

[Niamh.]

So it is. That'll teach me to break a story quickly.

Their names are very similar (I'm having that as my excuse)7

Sorry people, you'll still have to live in fear for the time being.

:laugh2:

[Cherie]

So it is. That'll teach me to break a story quickly.

Their names are very similar (I'm having that as my excuse)7

Sorry people, you'll still have to live in fear for the time being.

oh for goodness sake Alf :fist:

[Alf]

oh for goodness sake Alf :fist:We're all prone to mistakes Cherie, even God-like geniuses like myself sometimes make them.

[Cherie]

We're all prone to mistakes Cherie, even God-like geniuses like myself sometimes make them.

so true Alf, I doubt you will make a mistake again in your lifetime :laugh:

[Livia]

The most rabid Brexiteers are the EDL. Surely. I can't imagine any of them voted "Remain" :think:

Conjecture.

[Kizzy]

Of course that's rubbish, it's well known the most rabid brexiteers voted UKIP