Political correctness is fascism pretending to be manners

[Northern Monkey]

This guy knows.....

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[Firewire]

He doesn't

[Kizzy]

What's wrong with you monkey?... :/

[Northern Monkey]

What's wrong with you monkey?... :/

What do you mean?

[MB.]

Let's just make a Things Celebrities Said Thirty Years Ago thread and have done with it, shall we

[Withano]

What do you mean?

You basically implied that you want to call handicapped people 'defective' for the sake of not being PC.

[Brillopad]

You basically implied that you want to call handicapped people 'defective' for the sake of not being PC.

You're always accusing people of implying this and implying that when nine times out of ten you have either got the wrong end of the stick or you twist to suit. :nono:

[MB.]

Yeah, Withano, stop accusing people of wanting to call the handicapped defective all the time

[Tom4784]

Yeah, Withano, stop accusing people of wanting to call the handicapped defective all the time

He can't go one topic without doing this and quite frankly, I'm tired of it!

[MB.]

It's always handicapped this and defective that... I'm not sure how he doesn't get tired tbh

[Withano]

Dying hahaahah

[Northern Monkey]

You basically implied that you want to call handicapped people 'defective' for the sake of not being PC.

:joker:

I didn't imply anything.I just gave you the topic to discuss.

But incase you hadn't caught on.The guy in the video is a comedian.He uses humour in with genuine points to get his message accross.

You have use a little common sense to seperate the humour from the serious message he's putting forward.

[Northern Monkey]

Yeah, Withano, stop accusing people of wanting to call the handicapped defective all the time

Ok that is quite amusing:laugh:

[Northern Monkey]

He can't go one topic without doing this and quite frankly, I'm tired of it!

:joker:

[Northern Monkey]

It's always handicapped this and defective that... I'm not sure how he doesn't get tired tbh

Wish i knew how to multi quote

This is funny too

[Withano]

:joker:

I didn't imply anything.I just gave you the topic to discuss.

But incase you hadn't caught on.The guy in the video is a comedian.He uses humour in with genuine points to get his message accross.

You have use a little common sense to seperate the humour from the serious message he's putting forward.

I'm glad you cleared that up. Your caption you wrote before the video in the OP suggested that you agreed with everything the comedian said.

[Northern Monkey]

I'm glad you cleared that up. Your caption you wrote before the video in the OP suggested that you agreed with everything the comedian said.

Yeah i walk around all day calling handicapped people defective

[Brillopad]

Since when did severe appearance deficit sound better and less offensive than ugly - it sounds worse. The world really has gone mad.

[Withano]

Yeah i walk around all day calling handicapped people defective

Do you have any input on the topic?
My only input really is that I think this guy is taking these hyper-PC people a lot more seriously than the average person, and thats his issue. Hes just another angry voice. I cant imagine the average self-proclaimed PC person would use these terminologies, him believing that they do just seems naive on his part.
(Multiquote is the button next to the quote button, you just select the ones you want, in the order you want them to appear, before pressing quote)

[user104658]

I didn't imply anything.I just gave you the topic to discuss.

But incase you hadn't caught on.The guy in the video is a comedian.He uses humour in with genuine points to get his message accross.


I didn't catch on because he isn't funny.
He's yet another entitled arsehole who wants to be able to refer to anyone as whatever he wants to and is butt-hurt that he "isn't allowed to" spout his ignorance freely any more, so now he's whiiiinnneeeiiiinnnggg about it. Whining like a li'l bitch. And trying to mask that under a facade of bitter, jaded, joyless "humor" like so many of his ilk. Sad.

[Northern Monkey]

Do you have any input on the topic?
My only input really is that I think this guy is taking these hyper-PC people a lot more seriously than the average person, and thats his issue. Hes just another angry voice. I cant imagine the average self-proclaimed PC person would use these terminologies, him believing that they do just seems naive on his part.
(Multiquote is the button next to the quote button, you just select the ones you want, in the order you want them to appear, before pressing quote)

I think he has a point.There are people who want to police language in this way and other people who are so scared they're going to offend people that they adhere to this rubbish.
People should be free to use language how they like and let experience,conscience and common sense dictate how they use language in future.
Not have people try to tell you what you're allowed to say.
You might inadvertently say something that offends somebody and then think 'oh ****,I won't say that to them again' but you've learned from your mistake.
On the other hand the next guy might not be offended and possibly be more offended by you pussy footing round them thinking of stupid long winded phrases to say.Thus treating them differently.
Policing language is really only one step away from policing thought.It shouldn't be a thing in a free democratic society.
It's not too dis-similar to blasphemy laws in middle eastern countries.
There's something going on in Canada at the moment with a new bill to amend the human rights act for transgenders.Basically if you disagree that terms like 'non binary' or 'gender fluid' are real then you can get in trouble for hate crime or if you don't use 'gender pronouns' like 'ze' or 'zir' instead of he or she then you could land in trouble.
A law forcing people to use certain words is dictatorial.This is what happens when political correctness goes too far.

And thanks :thumbs:

[Withano]

I think he has a point.There are people who want to police language in this way and other people who are so scared they're going to offend people that they adhere to this rubbish.
People should be free to use language how they like and let experience,conscience and common sense dictate how they use language in future.
Not have people try to tell you what you're allowed to say.
You might inadvertently say something that offends somebody and then think 'oh ****,I won't say that to them again' but you've learned from your mistake.
On the other hand the next guy might not be offended and possibly be more offended by you pussy footing round them thinking of stupid long winded phrases to say.Thus treating them differently.
Policing language is really only one step away from policing thought.It shouldn't be a thing in a free democratic society.
It's not too dis-similar to blasphemy laws in middle eastern countries.
There's something going on in Canada at the moment with a new bill to amend the human rights act for transgenders.Basically if you disagree that terms like 'non binary' or 'gender fluid' are real then you can get in trouble for hate crime or if you don't use 'gender pronouns' like 'ze' or 'zir' instead of he or she then you could land in trouble.
A law forcing people to use certain words is dictatorial.This is what happens when political correctness goes too far.

And thanks :thumbs:

But even in this thread alone, you've policed your own language? And I'm presuming you'd be a bit taken aback if you heard somebody use language that you wouldnt personally use because of the lines and boundaries that you have set yourself?
Seems like there is just more of a common sense approach to language instead of a PC culture that dictates language to me. And this is evident because non-PC people also reframe from some words to avoid insulting others.
Culture will change, and language will adapt, and I dont think this has anything to do with political correctness, its just that all people (PC, non-PC, and everyone inbetween) wants to avoid insulting others where they can.

[Northern Monkey]

Here is where political correctness can take you
(Just ignore that it's a bear speaking)
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[user104658]

Here is where political correctness can take you
(Just ignore that it's a bear speaking)

It can take you to wild hypothetical examples of things that have never happened in doctors surgeries? :worry:

[Brillopad]

But even in this thread alone, you've policed your own language? And I'm presuming you'd be a bit taken aback if you heard somebody use language that you wouldnt personally use because of the lines and boundaries that you have set yourself?
Seems like there is just more of a common sense approach to language instead of a PC culture that dictates language to me. And this is evident because non-PC people also reframe from some words to avoid insulting others.
Culture will change, and language will adapt, and I dont think this has anything to do with political correctness, its just that all people (PC, non-PC, and everyone inbetween) wants to avoid insulting others where they can.

Severe appearance deficit instead of ugly - yes real common sense that.

PC is for control freaks and/or lap dogs who can't think for themselves and need 'encouragement' to think the 'right' way according to those who have nothing better to do but come up with ridiculous 'replacement' names for perfectly reasonable ones. There were some awful words used in the past such as mongols, cretins and spastics and the use of such words was phased out, and rightly so, but handicapped and many others used today are perfectly reasonable words.

Of course people shouldn't be able to just blatantly offend people with the use of offensive words but the replacement of perfectly acceptable words such as handicapped for physically defective is sheer stupidity. Defective is a horrible word - I would rather be called physically handicapped, if disabled, than physically defective. Another word increasingly being used is 'challenged' i.e. Physically challenged which I would put on a par with 'incapable' or 'useless' which personally I find much more offensive. Each to their own but the point being the words being 'replaced' are not offensive words - just some trying to exert their opinion over others by the use of dubious methods.

People have to challenge such nonsense just as PC attempts to challenge the establishment - we can't have one rule for one and another for another can we.

[jennyjuniper]

This guy knows.....

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Brilliant. :dance::cheer2:

[Kizzy]

One question. based on the video.... What medication will cure a male but kill a female?

Is the irony of a non human being the focus of that vid accepted?

He lost me at south park...stupid flappy headed Canadian bear.

[Withano]

Severe appearance deficit instead of ugly - yes real common sense that.

There were some awful words used in the past such as mongols, cretins and spastics and the use of such words was phased out, and rightly so, but handicapped and many others used today are perfectly reasonable words.

Of course people shouldn't be able to just blatantly offend people with the use of offensive words but the replacement of perfectly acceptable words such as handicapped for physically defective is sheer stupidity. Defective is a horrible word - I would rather be called physically handicapped, if disabled, than physically defective. Another word increasingly being used is 'challenged' i.e. Physically challenged which I would put on a par with 'incapable' or 'useless' which personally I find much more offensive.


I agree with everything I've left. These were basically my points throughout the thread. Nobody is taking these hyper-PC people seriously apart from the bloke in the video, and perhaps you. Severe appearance deficit seems like a joke haha. It isnt common sense to call ugly people 'severe appearance deficit' which is why the phrase never coined on, I believe the speech is a few decades old.

And yes nobody wants to blatantly offend. PC people dont want to offend, non-PC people dont want to offend, everybody inbetween do not want to offend, you just repeated my point. It is because of this that language cant be due to PC culture, language is just common sense.

You too are policing language, and you're not PC? So this entire thread is getting a bit silly. You've even made suggestions on words that other people shouldnt use, I have a feeling the bloke in the video would label you as PC, but you're not, language has nothing to do with political correctness.

if you believe as a non-PC person that there are horrible and offensive words, its because there is a common sense approach to language. it doesn't make you PC to find it offensive when people call certain groups certain words, it is just common sense not to call them it.

[Jamie89]

I've always considered political correctness to just be people not wanting to cause offence, how that manifests itself will be different in different people, so some will find 'appearance deficit' less offensive than 'ugly' and some will find 'disabled' less offensive than 'spastic' etc, it's all political correctness, and which terms catch on is just down to general consensus, and common sense like Withano said. PC is just the thing that allows that dialogue to happen and that consensus to be reached, and anyone who's ever considered one particular word less offensive than another has adhered to it. Yes some people will have extreme ideas, and some people will try and force their opinions on others as to what terms should be used, but that's not down to political correctness itself, it's because some people are just like that, and that's the case for every side of everything :laugh: so those people and extreme examples aren't representative of what PC generally is (taking the extreme of anything and representing it as the norm is a bizarre approach imo).

[Kizzy]

PC is a recent construct designed specifically to denigrate anyone with a question that people find difficult to answer, or a response to a statement in a meaningful way.

[DemolitionRed]

The man's a jerk. Does he honestly believe children with learning disabilities should be told they are "slow"?

The reasons we don't use word like "slow, ******, idiot dumb" is because society uses those words to insult anyone they don't like. Its the same with words like "imbecile" and " moron".

Cripple and spastic are just very outdated words but spastic in particular was used to insult perfectly able bodied people.

I think it gets silly when some medical professionals insist a Down Syndrome person is described as a none neurotypical person or a disabled person described as a vertically challenged person but I do think words like "learning disability" open up a wider scope of what that condition could be. People with learning disabilities are as broad as they are wide and a lot of people with LD are very gifted in certain areas, especially Autistic people, so its unfair and unnecessary to call such people slow.

[Tozzie]

The world has gone mad I can't believe I just read 2 pages of this thread I must have gone mad too or should that be mentally challenged? Chuffing bonkers. Call me what you like I.'ll get over it. PC.....pissing crazy

[DemolitionRed]

The world has gone mad I can't believe I just read 2 pages of this thread I must have gone mad too or should that be mentally challenged? Chuffing bonkers. Call me what you like I.'ll get over it. PC.....pissing crazy

Its ok, you're just bonkers.

[Tozzie]

Its ok, you're just bonkers.

BONKERS...............BONKERS...........HOW DARE YOU, I'm gonna report you to the PC brigade :fist::laugh::laugh::laugh:

[DemolitionRed]

BONKERS...............BONKERS...........HOW DARE YOU, I'm gonna report you to the PC brigade :fist::laugh::laugh::laugh:

The funny thing is, anyone who calls me bonkers is giving me a compliment because its doubtful they would call me that if they believed I had a mental illness. :joker:

[Kizzy]

BONKERS...............BONKERS...........HOW DARE YOU, I'm gonna report you to the PC brigade :fist::laugh::laugh::laugh:

Hello, you have reached the PC brigade, there's nobody available to take your call right now please leave a message after the tone.....


BEEEEEEEEEEEP...

[Northern Monkey]

137,000 victims of fgm and not one prosecution is where political correctness gets you,Rotherham is also where it gets you.Can't investigate the muslims cos that's racist that is.

[calyman]

Political correctness mainly exists, not to "police" how others may define terms but to limit the implied bigotry, intolerance and ignorance in using words that at best offend and at worst, discriminate. We may have free speech but if we don't excercise respect for others while using it; then like children we must be told what is innapropriate language to use. I am old enough to remember a time when it was allowed to use words of hate and intolerance and I do not want to return to those times.

[Niamh.]

Political correctness mainly exists, not to "police" how others may define terms but to limit the implied bigotry, intolerance and ignorance in using words that at best offend and at worst, discriminate. We may have free speech but if we don't excercise respect for others while using it; then like children we must be told what is innapropriate language to use. I am old enough to remember a time when it was allowed to use words of hate and intolerance and I do not want to return to those times.

Exactly. Like everything else "Political correctness" can be over done but that doesn't mean that everything Politically correct is the world gone crazy either.

[the truth]

Unfortunately political correctness is perverted often to falsely accuse others of racism or sexism. These slanderous and false accusations should be treated as serious crimes too. To even up the balance and get back to the real arguments and the facts of the matter. PC tends to overly protect some groups and leaves the obvious white male as the only beast in the room that everyone can slander

[Kizzy]

Seeing as PC is being leveled as a slur I'm going to take being accused of being 'PC' as a really offensive insult now as that is the obvious intention, it's a snide way of denigrating anyones view as total rubbish as it does not conform.

I find it highly offensive and oppressive.

[the truth]

Seeing as PC is being leveled as a slur I'm going to take being accused of being 'PC' as a really offensive insult now as that is the obvious intention, it's a snide way of denigrating anyones view as total rubbish as it does not conform.

I find it highly offensive and oppressive.

Im offended by this

[Withano]

Im offended by this

PC gone mad

[the truth]

PC gone mad

what do you mean by mad grr....:dance:

[user104658]

Unfortunately political correctness is perverted often to falsely accuse others of racism or sexism. These slanderous and false accusations should be treated as serious crimes too. To even up the balance and get back to the real arguments and the facts of the matter. PC tends to overly protect some groups and leaves the obvious white male as the only beast in the room that everyone can slander

Ahhhh so... this is all starting to come together now. You don't like being called sexist for your... err... sexist views about women, so you want to label all of it "PC gone mad", so that you can share your odd issues with women with everyone and not be called out on those views?

[the truth]

Ahhhh so... this is all starting to come together now. You don't like being called sexist for your... err... sexist views about women, so you want to label all of it "PC gone mad", so that you can share your odd issues with women with everyone and not be called out on those views?

ah the old slander and false accusation just for looking for some balance. men have an opinion its sexist, women laugh about men dying from having their penis cut off and a room full of women laugh in front of millions on national tv
absolute rubbish...total hypocrisy total double standards. this is why feminism is now the joke it is

[Withano]

ah the old slander and false accusation just for looking for some balance. men have an opinion its sexist, women laugh about men dying from having their penis cut off and a room full of women laugh in front of millions on national tv
absolute rubbish...total hypocrisy total double standards. this is why feminism is now the joke it is

Tbf, as far as feminism goes, you must realise your opinions are starkly different to the norm?
Nobody is calling these women feminists apart from you... and you wonder why you have a distorted view on feminism compared to everybody around you?..

[the truth]

Tbf, as far as feminism goes, you must realise your opinions are starkly different to the norm?
Nobody is calling these women feminists apart from you... and you wonder why you have a distorted view on feminism compared to everybody around you?..

youre simply lying all the time...no one is calling germaine greer a feminist? really?

[Withano]

youre simply lying all the time...no one is calling germaine greer a feminist? really?

Shes a liberationist, and an irrational one.