Labour promise pay rises and funding for NHS

[Cherie]

Default Labour promise pay rises and more funding for NHS
they are pulling some decent policies out of the bag, 4 extra bank holidays is effectively a pay rise and now the 1 cent pay cap being lifted on the NHS



An NHS staff salary cap has kept pay rises below the rate of inflation for seven years




By Paul Kelso, Health Correspondent

Labour will deliver a pay rise to NHS staff if it wins the General Election, scrapping the existing cap on salaries as part of a three-point pledge for the health service.

NHS pay increases are currently subject to a 1% cap that has kept rises below the rate of inflation for seven consecutive years and is due to continue until 2020.

Shadow health secretary Jon Ashworth will commit Labour to end the cap, introduce legislation to make "safe staffing" levels a matter of law and restore funding to students taking health-related degrees.

Shadow health secretary Jon Ashworth
Video:
We can fund NHS pay rise, says Labour
In a speech to the UNISON Health Conference in Liverpool he will say: "NHS staff are the very pride of Britain. Yet they are ignored, insulted, undervalued, overworked and underpaid by this Tory government.

"Not anymore. Enough is enough.

"NHS staff have been taken for granted for too long by the Conservatives. Cuts to pay and training mean hard working staff are being forced from NHS professions and young people are being put off before they have even started.

"Now Brexit threatens the ability of health employers to recruit from overseas.

"What is bad for NHS staff is bad for patients too. Short staffing means reduced services and a threat to patient safety. Labour's new guarantees for NHS staff will help keep services running at the standard which England's patients expect."

Speaking to Sky News ahead of his address to delegates, Mr Ashworth said Theresa May could not continue her "shameful" attitude of "burying her head in the sand" and let the NHS get worse and worse.

The announcement comes amid evidence of a looming recruitment crisis and rising anger among NHS staff at constrained pay.


The latest 1% pay award, announced last month, was criticised by health unions and prompted the Royal College of Nurses (RCN) to ballot its members on whether they want to take strike action.

The chief executive of NHS England Simon Steven also distanced himself from the pay award, telling Sky News last month: "NHS staff of course deserve to be looked after, but questions of pay are not questions the NHS itself can decide."

Labour's announcement, the first of a number of health policies that will be included in its manifesto, was welcomed by health unions.

Janet Davies, chief executive of the RCN, said: "For too long, nursing staff have been undervalued and underpaid.

"It's a political choice to increase investment in health and social care and we call on all political parties to go further and commit to the long-term funding that patients and services need."

UNISON general secretary Dave Prentis said: "Lifting the 1% pay cap would give health employees a long overdue pay rise - and show them just how much they're valued."

NHS Improvement wants price agreements rolled out across the health service
Image:
The announcement comes amid evidence of a looming NHS recruitment crisis
The Conservatives countered that Labour's economic policies would endanger all public services including the NHS.

Health Secretary Jeremy Hunt said Brexit would affect the NHS and it was "absolutely critical for our public services" to have a "strong leader" to get the best deal from the EU so there was more money for the health service.

In an interview on Radio 4's Today programme, Mr Hunt refused to be drawn on whether funding pledges for the NHS would be included in the Conservative manifesto.

He also refused to say whether inheritance tax would be used to pay for extra funding for social care but promised to "stop ducking" the issue and suggested measures would be contained in the manifesto.

Health policy will be a key battleground in the campaign after a hugely testing winter that saw the NHS struggle to meet rising demand and the impact of an ageing population.

There is a growing consensus among practitioners, health economists and some politicians that the current NHS structure is unsustainable without more funding or cuts to provision.

Last month Mr Stevens admitted that some targets including for four hour A&E waiting times will not be met on schedule because of financial constraints.

Mrs May has said she has given the NHS all the money it asked for, a claim Mr Stevens said was "stretching it".

Labour says it will guarantee the NHS "the funding it needs" and that the measures announced today will be paid for by reversing cuts to corporation tax and that its manifesto will be fully costed.

[Brillopad]

Default Labour promise pay rises and more funding for NHS
they are pulling some decent policies out of the bag, 4 extra bank holidays is effectively a pay rise and now the 1 cent pay cap being lifted on the NHS



An NHS staff salary cap has kept pay rises below the rate of inflation for seven years




By Paul Kelso, Health Correspondent

Labour will deliver a pay rise to NHS staff if it wins the General Election, scrapping the existing cap on salaries as part of a three-point pledge for the health service.

NHS pay increases are currently subject to a 1% cap that has kept rises below the rate of inflation for seven consecutive years and is due to continue until 2020.

Shadow health secretary Jon Ashworth will commit Labour to end the cap, introduce legislation to make "safe staffing" levels a matter of law and restore funding to students taking health-related degrees.

Shadow health secretary Jon Ashworth
Video:
We can fund NHS pay rise, says Labour
In a speech to the UNISON Health Conference in Liverpool he will say: "NHS staff are the very pride of Britain. Yet they are ignored, insulted, undervalued, overworked and underpaid by this Tory government.

"Not anymore. Enough is enough.

"NHS staff have been taken for granted for too long by the Conservatives. Cuts to pay and training mean hard working staff are being forced from NHS professions and young people are being put off before they have even started.

"Now Brexit threatens the ability of health employers to recruit from overseas.

"What is bad for NHS staff is bad for patients too. Short staffing means reduced services and a threat to patient safety. Labour's new guarantees for NHS staff will help keep services running at the standard which England's patients expect."

Speaking to Sky News ahead of his address to delegates, Mr Ashworth said Theresa May could not continue her "shameful" attitude of "burying her head in the sand" and let the NHS get worse and worse.

The announcement comes amid evidence of a looming recruitment crisis and rising anger among NHS staff at constrained pay.


The latest 1% pay award, announced last month, was criticised by health unions and prompted the Royal College of Nurses (RCN) to ballot its members on whether they want to take strike action.

The chief executive of NHS England Simon Steven also distanced himself from the pay award, telling Sky News last month: "NHS staff of course deserve to be looked after, but questions of pay are not questions the NHS itself can decide."

Labour's announcement, the first of a number of health policies that will be included in its manifesto, was welcomed by health unions.

Janet Davies, chief executive of the RCN, said: "For too long, nursing staff have been undervalued and underpaid.

"It's a political choice to increase investment in health and social care and we call on all political parties to go further and commit to the long-term funding that patients and services need."

UNISON general secretary Dave Prentis said: "Lifting the 1% pay cap would give health employees a long overdue pay rise - and show them just how much they're valued."

NHS Improvement wants price agreements rolled out across the health service
Image:
The announcement comes amid evidence of a looming NHS recruitment crisis
The Conservatives countered that Labour's economic policies would endanger all public services including the NHS.

Health Secretary Jeremy Hunt said Brexit would affect the NHS and it was "absolutely critical for our public services" to have a "strong leader" to get the best deal from the EU so there was more money for the health service.

In an interview on Radio 4's Today programme, Mr Hunt refused to be drawn on whether funding pledges for the NHS would be included in the Conservative manifesto.

He also refused to say whether inheritance tax would be used to pay for extra funding for social care but promised to "stop ducking" the issue and suggested measures would be contained in the manifesto.

Health policy will be a key battleground in the campaign after a hugely testing winter that saw the NHS struggle to meet rising demand and the impact of an ageing population.

There is a growing consensus among practitioners, health economists and some politicians that the current NHS structure is unsustainable without more funding or cuts to provision.

Last month Mr Stevens admitted that some targets including for four hour A&E waiting times will not be met on schedule because of financial constraints.

Mrs May has said she has given the NHS all the money it asked for, a claim Mr Stevens said was "stretching it".

Labour says it will guarantee the NHS "the funding it needs" and that the measures announced today will be paid for by reversing cuts to corporation tax and that its manifesto will be fully costed.

I work for the NHS and can't be tempted by that in comparison to many of his other polices which are a lot less appealing. The carrot won't work for me.

Of course the NHS needs increased funding but where is he going to get the money from - be prepared for Hugh tax increases. He is promising the world at the moment out of sheer desperation - but beware of such unrealistic rhetoric in my opinion. Who knows maybe he actually believes what he says but if so a reality check is needed. Talk is cheap.

[Kizzy]

It's the clinical staff that need the help 'managers' can not run a hospital.
Selling off of lucrative services has taken the NHS from the black to the red.

[Cherie]

They will also reintroduce scrapped bursaries for nurses

[UserSince2005]

Gross! Nurses deserve a pay rise.

But what? are junior doctors going to go up to 35-40k starting salary? ****ing disgusting.

As if anyone should get paid that much for a simple customer service role.

Shut up and do your ****ing job!

Your job generates no benefit to the economy! You don't deserve over 30k!

[Livia]

Let's face it, the Labour Party could promise us all a free rocket jet pack... they won't get in so it's never going to be questioned.

Made me smile that they plan to abolish tuition fees for nurses and midwives when it was they who introduced them in the first place.

[smudgie]

Let's face it, the Labour Party could promise us all a free rocket jet pack... they won't get in so it's never going to be questioned.

Made me smile that they plan to abolish tuition fees for nurses and midwives when it was they who introduced them in the first place.

The list just gets longer.
I can't wait to find out where he thinks all the funding for it is coming from, it certainly can't just be corporation tax.
We would all love everyone to have more money in their wage packets.
It doesn't seem to be working for him up to now, so it will be interesting to see what little nuggets come next.

[the truth]

yay he really is father Christmas with an unpaid credit card bill

[waterhog]

labour now u-turning on controlled immigration or limits to it - they are a walking disaster labour. not a clue.

[joeysteele]

This would be a better move than the confrontational attitude of the Cons to Doctors and Nurses.

Get the proper costing done independently from a change in corporation tax and this plan has merit.

Of course this present Conservative party will hate it, they prefer to see NHS staff utterly demoralised.

[Kazanne]

The Labour party always promise ,but rarely deliver,where will this money magically appear? he wont hit the well off as he isn't exactly poor is he? better the devil you know I say.

[the truth]

This would be a better move than the confrontational attitude of the Cons to Doctors and Nurses.

Get the proper costing done independently from a change in corporation tax and this plan has merit.

Of course this present Conservative party will hate it, they prefer to see NHS staff utterly demoralised.
lol nonsense
nhs wales under labour cutback budget
the doctors crisis is down to labours insame 2004 gp contract

[joeysteele]

The Labour party always promise ,but rarely deliver,where will this money magically appear? he wont hit the well off as he isn't exactly poor is he? better the devil you know I say.

Where does Labour not deliver its promises.
He has said corporation tax is part of this plan to raise the funds.

All oppositions said Labour could never deliver a minimum wage,they did against all Conservative dire warnings against it.

Unbelievable selective criticism in advance with not a word about this govt.virtually tearing up a lot of what it promised just barely 2 years ago.

[Cherie]

Have the Tory's any policies as yet apart from delivering strong, stable leadership... and dodging questions on the triple lock and tax rises :think:

[Kizzy]

All this and no manifesto yet?...

[Tom4784]

Have the Tory's any policies as yet apart from delivering strong, stable leadership... and dodging questions on the triple lock and tax rises :think:

And privatising the NHS.

Honestly, I'd rather go with the dreamers than the party that want to stamp anyone that isn't upper class into the ground.

[waterhog]

And privatising the NHS.

Honestly, I'd rather go with the dreamers than the party that want to stamp anyone that isn't upper class into the ground.

for this to happen we need as you say the "dreamers"- to start taxing the rich a hell of allot more and putting the money where it is needed.

until we see action - labour are a dying rose.

[Livia]

And privatising the NHS.

Honestly, I'd rather go with the dreamers than the party that want to stamp anyone that isn't upper class into the ground.

Yeah that's right. Everyone who ever voted Tory is either upper class or an idiot. And Labour are the "thinking" ones. Doesn't sound like real life to me.

[the truth]

Where does Labour not deliver its promises.
He has said corporation tax is part of this plan to raise the funds.

All oppositions said Labour could never deliver a minimum wage,they did against all Conservative dire warnings against it.

Unbelievable selective criticism in advance with not a word about this govt.virtually tearing up a lot of what it promised just barely 2 years ago.

lol they promised no more boom and bust lololololololol:joker::joker::joker::joker::joker: :joker::joker::joker:

[the truth]

And privatising the NHS.

Honestly, I'd rather go with the dreamers than the party that want to stamp anyone that isn't upper class into the ground.

its that chip on the shoulder self pitying exaggerated siege mentality that has taken the labour party into obscurity...the tories atm are actually better for working people of all classes because they create jobs and run a far better economy

[joeysteele]

Have the Tory's any policies as yet apart from delivering strong, stable leadership... and dodging questions on the triple lock and tax rises :think:

Not really, however they will likely get away with that.

This atrocious PM dodged the triple lock question twice today and was rattled when Corbyn raised it.
Nothing said about that however.

Yet barely 2 years ago the Cons promised a triple lock on pensions and no tax rises for 5 years.
It doesn't seem to matter however if they stop delivering a promise after not even halfway through the time promised, and promises even elected on too.

[the truth]

Not really, however they will likely get away with that.

This atrocious PM dodged the triple lock question twice today and was rattled when Corbyn raised it.
Nothing said about that however.

Yet barely 2 years ago the Cons promised a triple lock on pensions and no tax rises for 5 years.
It doesn't seem to matter however if they stop delivering a promise after not even halfway through the time promised, and promises even elected on too.

she did duck it but he totally failed to nail her with it, he was all over the map
vat should really be a topic in itself which he should hammer the pm with

[Cherie]

Are the Torys so far ahead in the Polls that they don't need to explain anything? explain why we can keep foreign aid at the same level, but we cant afford the triple lock, explain why pensioners are paying for their own social care via council tax rather than social care being taken care of through the income tax system, it seems incredible to me they can just say nothing and people are going to vote for them anyway....don't get me wrong I don't trust Labour either but at least they are coming up with some policies that are giving something to the people who raise taxes in this country rather than chucking it at despots and dictators...and countries with their own space programmes

[the truth]

Are the Torys so far ahead in the Polls that they don't need to explain anything? explain why we can keep foreign aid at the same level, but we cant afford the triple lock, explain why pensioners are paying for their own social care via council tax rather than social care being taken care of through the income tax system, it seems incredible to me they can just say nothing and people are going to vote for them anyway....don't get me wrong I don't trust Labour either but at least they are coming up with some policies that are giving something to the people who raise taxes in this country rather than chucking it at despots and dictators...and countries with their own space programmes

corbyn missed an open goal yet again

[Northern Monkey]

Well he's trying his hardest bless him.More than he did for the remain campaign.Be interesting to see if all these promises get him somewhere.

[the truth]

he thinks hes santa clause but he aint got magical elves and flying reindeers...oh but hes got a big credit card which will laden us all in debt for the next 100 years

[joeysteele]

Well he's trying his hardest bless him.More than he did for the remain campaign.Be interesting to see if all these promises get him somewhere.

I actually would prefer a different leader but he is trying a great deal harder.
I am cautiously impressed by the passion he is now showing appropriately on strong and important issues.

In the referendum,he was weak, then again he was cool as to what happened in it.
He will be happy the vote was to leave,he will be happy to negotiate leaving the EU.
Out will open doors for him to be able to bring in his idea of how the UK could be,free from rulings of the EU.

He maybe cannot win this election but if he started to connect more with a clear passion on what he is advocating, it is not beyond possibility to help being instrumental in removing this govts.overall majority.

Mrs May showing the contempt she did as to the people whose questions he put to her today, is likely to help his cause.
A fair way to go in this election,winning looks out the question but a small,smaller or loss of the Cons overall majority is possibly achievable.

[Northern Monkey]

I actually would prefer a different leader but he is trying a great deal harder.
I am cautiously impressed by the passion he is now showing appropriately on strong and important issues.

In the referendum,he was weak, then again he was cool as to what happened in it.
He will be happy the vote was to leave,he will be happy to negotiate leaving the EU.
Out will open doors for him to be able to bring in his idea of how the UK could be,free from rulings of the EU.

He maybe cannot win this election but if he started to connect more with a clear passion on what he is advocating, it is not beyond possibility to help being instrumental in removing this govts.overall majority.

Mrs May showing the contempt she did as to the people whose questions he put to her today, is likely to help his cause.
A fair way to go in this election,winning looks out the question but a small,smaller or loss of the Cons overall majority is possibly achievable.
I think he's showing his teeth abit late.
I also think Labour will not do well at all in this and will look to a new leader after the election which will be a good thing.I also think he knows this hence why he's fighting.
However part of me is kind of rooting for him a little now to see if he can pull something out of the bag and do better than expected.

[DemolitionRed]

The Labour party always promise ,but rarely deliver,where will this money magically appear? he wont hit the well off as he isn't exactly poor is he? better the devil you know I say.

The Tory party is very good at talking the talk but their record for keeping their promise is pretty abysmal.

[DemolitionRed]

lol nonsense
nhs wales under labour cutback budget
the doctors crisis is down to labours insame 2004 gp contract

Would that be New Labour? The neoliberal Right dressed up in sheep clothing. New Labour and the Labour we see today are not related; they share no DNA, so I'm not sure why you keep trying to dig up the dirt in an attempt to make comparisons.

[DemolitionRed]

its that chip on the shoulder self pitying exaggerated siege mentality that has taken the labour party into obscurity

Not at all. The Tories have exploited the population by pitting those in work against those out of work and those who don’t struggle against those who do struggle. There is no way our population would of accepted the bedroom tax against the poor without the Tories working so hard to create this divide.

By alienating the worst off, they also alienated the opposition.

[joeysteele]

Not at all. The Tories have exploited the population by pitting those in work against those out of work and those who don’t struggle against those who do struggle. There is no way our population would of accepted the bedroom tax against the poor without the Tories working so hard to create this divide.

By alienating the worst off, they also alienated the opposition.

A great deal of truth there DR.

[Tom4784]

Yeah that's right. Everyone who ever voted Tory is either upper class or an idiot. And Labour are the "thinking" ones. Doesn't sound like real life to me.

Well, you'd have to be foolish to vote for a party that's actively trying to privatise public services if you use them so yes. The idea of the working and middle classes voting for the Tories is like an immigrant voting for Donald Trump. It's foolishness.

[the truth]

Would that be New Labour? The neoliberal Right dressed up in sheep clothing. New Labour and the Labour we see today are not related; they share no DNA, so I'm not sure why you keep trying to dig up the dirt in an attempt to make comparisons.

its still labour and labour including corbyn have failed to address their failure with this disastrous 2004 gp contract....they should be trying to overthrow it but theyre not. theyre too busy sucking up for the unions votes

[the truth]

Well, you'd have to be foolish to vote for a party that's actively trying privatise public services if you use them so yes. The idea of the working and middle classes voting for the Tories is like an immigrant voting for Donald Trump. It's foolishness.

wrong. the tories nhs in england is way ahead in most areas compared to the welsh labour nhs...in england you get results the same day, in wales you can wait 10 weeks for results of eye tests. youd have to be a fool to back the party of bankruptcy, illlegal wars, destruction of civil liberties, free speech , mrsa, record abuses on the nhs, more bankrupt councils, more waste, more doubling. trebling of CEO wages at the councils and ceo's of hospitals and the trebling of the wage bill for nhs middle management....none of whom are medically qualified

[jaxie]

What labour never explain is where the money for all this is coming from. It's great to make big sweeping promises but the fact they have to be paid for somehow is why we've just had 6 years of austerity. Still paying for the last labour government.

Tbf the Tories haven't published their manifesto yet. All this about tax hikes is pure speculation until they do.

[jaxie]

Would that be New Labour? The neoliberal Right dressed up in sheep clothing. New Labour and the Labour we see today are not related; they share no DNA, so I'm not sure why you keep trying to dig up the dirt in an attempt to make comparisons.

To claim that Labour has no association with nor responsibility for 'New Labour' is just a fantasy. Many of those still in parliament were right there with Tony Blair, including Jeremy Corbyn who has been an MP since 1974.

[jennyjuniper]

Whichever party puts a block on further immigration has my vote. Corbyn with his 'open doors' policy is a disaster waiting to happen. It didn't work for Merkel and it won't work for Labour. Are politicians so out of touch with reality that they don't actually realise when and how they are effectively lighting the touch paper?
I agree that the NHS does need funding, but to the actual people who do the work, not pen pushing management (there's an oxymoron for you)

[Cherie]

Whichever party puts a block on further immigration has my vote. Corbyn with his 'open doors' policy is a disaster waiting to happen. It didn't work for Merkel and it won't work for Labour. Are politicians so out of touch with reality that they don't actually realise when and how they are effectively lighting the touch paper?
I agree that the NHS does need funding, but to the actual people who do the work, not pen pushing management (there's an oxymoron for you)

Given the NHS is staffed by immigrants many of who come from outside the EU not sure how immigration is going to change, and now that UK based nurses will have to pay for their training, immigrants working in the NHS is vital for it to survive

[joeysteele]

Given the NHS is staffed by immigrants many of who come from outside the EU not sure how immigration is going to change, and now that UK based nurses will have to pay for their training, immigrants working in the NHS is vital for it to survive

Totally right,the obsession against immigration.
Never recognising the need and benefits of it is more a damaging stance,than any negatives of immigration itself.

Incidentally to Jaxie,I doubt any serious political observer would claim Corbyn was a supporter of Tony Blair, his voting record against the Blair govt.is well documented.
New Labour was a silly title anyway,oddly enough for voters however,they flocked to it.

[DemolitionRed]

]its still labour
But not New Labour. New Labour want to see the end of Corbyn so they can get back to business. New Labour sat further right than Thatcher and Major. New Labour paved the way for the government we see today. The majority of people who support today's Labour party were no fan of New Labour.


and labour including corbyn have failed to address their failure with this disastrous 2004 gp contract....they should be trying to overthrow it but theyre not. theyre too busy sucking up for the unions votes

New Labour, the Tories and even the coalition are guilty of playing a heavy hand in privatizing what was once publicly owned and its been going on since Thatcher. demonising the trade unions was necessary if they were going to succeed because they were the main body fighting to save the jigsaw puzzle of sell offs. This is not about what New Labour did in 2004, its about what’s been happening to our NHS since Thatchers 3rd term in office in 1987. The sell off has happened and it happened right under our noses without us being aware before it was too late. Changing the doctors contracts of 2004, the nurses contracts of 84 or the catering contracts of 88 and the Health and Social Care act of 2010 are irrelevant in the grand scheme of things because the NHS is not a bubble, its many separate entities.

Many of us in my family are NHS workers and we have had a front row seat in watching the ruling classes systematically sell off and destroy our National Health Service.

[joeysteele]

Well, you'd have to be foolish to vote for a party that's actively trying to privatise public services if you use them so yes. The idea of the working and middle classes voting for the Tories is like an immigrant voting for Donald Trump. It's foolishness.

Indeed it is, in at least these last 2 elections particularly it leaves less to understand as to it taking place.

[DemolitionRed]

What labour never explain is where the money for all this is coming from. It's great to make big sweeping promises but the fact they have to be paid for somehow is why we've just had 6 years of austerity. Still paying for the last labour government.

Tbf the Tories haven't published their manifesto yet. All this about tax hikes is pure speculation until they do.

We haven't had six years of austerity because of the last NL government! We have had six years of austerity because austerity is part of neoliberal economic preference! All neoliberal governments employ austerity because its their economic ideal.

The only way they could follow that preference was to rid the country of creeping socialism and that's why our government puts the world crash squarely on Browns shoulders and the tragic thing is, so many of us bought into that lie.

[joeysteele]

We haven't had six years of austerity because of the last NL government! We have had six years of austerity because austerity is part of neoliberal economic preference! All neoliberal governments employ austerity because its their economic ideal.

The only way they could follow that preference was to rid the country of creeping socialism and that's why our government puts the world crash squarely on Browns shoulders and the tragic thing is, so many of us bought into that lie.

The crash may have been considerably worse DR too, had the Cons been in.
The Cons felt Labour regulated the banks too much,Howard and Cameron would have then regulated the banks far less.

You are right to say that is a lie laid on only Browns and the then govts.shoulders.

That crash was coming no matter what any govt.was doing or what Party was in power either,no one in the UK or even across the World in any way really saw it coming at all.

[Brillopad]

Well, you'd have to be foolish to vote for a party that's actively trying to privatise public services if you use them so yes. The idea of the working and middle classes voting for the Tories is like an immigrant voting for Donald Trump. It's foolishness.

Have you not heard of policies. Many/most people weigh up the pros and cons of the various different policies of the parties rather than just concentrate on the one policy that affects them personally. Some look at the bigger picture and long-term potential affects of such policies overall.

It's a far wider playing field than you suggest.

[Tom4784]

Have you not heard of policies. Many/most people way up the pros and cons of the various different policies of the parties rather than just concentrate on the one policy that affects them personally. Some look at the bigger picture and long-term potential affects of such policies overall.

It's a far wider playing field than you suggest.

It really isn't, Tories will win by a landslide because people will vote for familiarity whether it benefits them or not and Ex-Remainer Theresa May is appealing to brexiters by promising a hard brexit (A stance she'd easily change depending on which way the wind is blowing).

Brexit is the new immigration in that it's a buzzword to get people to mindlessly vote for whichever candidate is using it and Theresa May is fully aware of that.

[DemolitionRed]

The crash may have been considerably worse DR too, had the Cons been in.
The Cons felt Labour regulated the banks too much,Howard and Cameron would have then regulated the banks far less.

You are right to say that is a lie laid on only Browns and the then govts.shoulders.

That crash was coming no matter what any govt.was doing or what Party was in power either,no one in the UK or even across the World in any way really saw it coming at all.

No doubt about it. It wasn’t only Cameron and Osborne who pleaded with Brown not to help the banks out with government funds, it was Bush too, but in the end the US copied Browns plan to the letter. Brown broke the fall and every nation after, played catch up. You have to wonder what Cameron and Osborne would of done; I think we can be fairly certain there would have been no stimulus!

Nobody's suggesting Brown saw the financial brick wall that was approaching but then nobody did. Neither are they suggesting that we should of let banks run like casino’s but that was happening the western world over and ended being a very hard lesson to us all.

Regardless of what the Tories tell us, he was the right man at the right time. How Gordon Brown and Mervyn King handled the crisis was nothing short of heroic but whilst King received a knighthood, Brown became person-non-grata.

[Rob!]

Gross! Nurses deserve a pay rise.

But what? are junior doctors going to go up to 35-40k starting salary? ****ing disgusting.

As if anyone should get paid that much for a simple customer service role.

Shut up and do your ****ing job!

Your job generates no benefit to the economy! You don't deserve over 30k!

And here lies a poster who clearly doesn't have the first clue about what he's sprouting.