Do you believe speaking English should be mandatory to migrants coming to Britain?

[Denver]

I live in an area where people hardly speak English and have seen circumstances where they require a translator to talk to people who speak English.

So do you believe that migrants should be able to speak English before coming to the UK?

[Brillopad]

I live in an area where people hardly speak English and have seen circumstances where they require a translator to talk to people who speak English.

So do you believe that migrants should be able to speak English before coming to the UK?

Yes.

[Withano]

It isnt mandatory to speak a second language to move from Britain to a different country, and I'm a fan of practice what you preach, and not being a hypocrite.. so no.. I don't think it should be mandatory..
All those British journalists, holiday reps, teachers, doctors, soldiers etc working abroad would be devastated if they were fired tomorrow cos these rules were put in place, as would all the prospective workers planning on a career in any of these fields.

[smudgie]

I would imagine you need to speak the language of any country to be able to communicate enough to carry out most jobs.
So in most cases then yes.

[Denver]

It isnt mandatory to speak a second language to move from Britain to a different country, and I'm a fan of practice what you preach, and not being a hypocrite.. so no.. I don't think it should be mandatory..
All those British journalists, holiday reps, teachers, doctors, soldiers etc working abroad would be devastated if they were fired tomorrow cos these rules were put in place

Holiday reps usually speak the language .

Soldiers are there to create peace not stay for ever.

They cant come to this country and expect benefits and free NHS if they are not will to become part of British culture

[Withano]

Holiday reps usually speak the language .

Soldiers are there to create peace not stay for ever.

They cant come to this country and expect benefits and free NHS if they are not will to become part of British culture

Your rules aren't equal for what you expect of British people working abroad, and others working in Britain.. so, thats where we're differing on this subject.
If holiday reps usually speak the language, and migrants usually speak the language, you shouldnt have a problem unless your rules are unequal.

[Denver]

Your rules aren't equal for what you expect of British people working abroad, and others working in Britain.. so, thats where we're differing on this subject.

British people are required to speak the Language of other countries they wish to work in because the jobs they go for are very important jobs that require such a thing

[jaxie]

I think it's fairly vital to be able to speak enough language to communicate effectively wherever you live. It's detrimental to any individual to be unable to communicate.

[Withano]

British people are required to speak the Language of other countries they wish to work in because the jobs they go for are very important jobs that require such a thing

No, thats not true (as we've both already suggested in this thread). But at least you pretending to believe this stops your point being hypocritical I suppose.

[Denver]

No, thats not true (as we've both already suggested in this thread). But at least you pretending to believe this stops your point being hypocritical I suppose.

Where is your prove that this high up British Teachers, Doctors and Holiday reps dont speak other languages

[Cherie]

In all honesty a lot of migrants speak English. It's just they choose to speak their own language when in their own communities

[Tom4784]

It isnt mandatory to speak a second language to move from Britain to a different country, and I'm a fan of practice what you preach, and not being a hypocrite.. so no.. I don't think it should be mandatory..
All those British journalists, holiday reps, teachers, doctors, soldiers etc working abroad would be devastated if they were fired tomorrow cos these rules were put in place, as would all the prospective workers planning on a career in any of these fields.

I agree with this, I'm pretty sure I recall a few articles a while back that made a point about how unwilling UK Emigrants are often known to be when it comes to intergration so I believe in leading by example for anyone that wants this enforced. If knowledge of the English language should be made mandatory to live in other countries than UK citizens must face similar restrictions when it comes to emigration.

I personally would never choose to live in a country where I couldn't speak, read and write the language since I'd never be able to fully integrate but I don't believe in forcing standards I'd set for myself on anyone else. Instead I think we should encourage migrants to learn the language and provide ample opportunity for them to do so. I also think on the flip side that language education in general should be expanded on for all of the UK. In a lot of European countries, children are often taught a second language from a young age which gives them more prospects in later life while in the UK, the education of foreign languages is often an afterthought reserved mostly for Secondary Schools and few students bother to pick it up afterwards because it is an afterthought. Language education should form a part of a child's education from Primary School and I believe there should be more opportunities available for adult learners to pick up other languages because it can help broaden horizons and prospects and we should try to catch up to the rest of the world on the language front.

[Firewire]

No because there are people who speak Gaelic or Welsh for example that don't speak any English at all or vice versa

I can't speak Gaelic and I'm not interested in learning Gaelic yet I live in Scotland

If I moved to Spain tomorrow I wouldn't be able to speak Spanish. I may learn Spanish in time but I would not be in any rush to as it is very time consuming to learn another language.

So people can move here and not be able to speak the language. It will be very difficult for them but there's their choice.

[Denver]

No because there are people who speak Gaelic or Welsh for example that don't speak any English at all or vice versa

I can't speak Gaelic and I'm not interested in learning Gaelic yet I live in Scotland

If I moved to Spain tomorrow I wouldn't be able to speak Spanish. I may learn Spanish in time but I would not be in any rush to as it is very time consuming to learn another language.

So people can move here and not be able to speak the language. It will be very difficult for them but there's their choice.
All Welsh people speak English and Welsh is hardly ever spoken and kids dont learn it these days

[Cherie]

I agree with this, I'm pretty sure I recall a few articles a while back that made a point about how unwilling UK Emigrants are often known to be when it comes to intergration so I believe in leading by example for anyone that wants this enforced. If knowledge of the English language should be made mandatory to live in other countries than UK citizens must face similar restrictions when it comes to emigration.

I personally would never choose to live in a country where I couldn't speak, read and white the language since I'd never be able to fully integrate but I don't believe in forcing standards I'd set for myself on anyone else. Instead I think we should encourage migrants to learn the language and provide ample opportunity for them to do so. I also think on the flip side that language education in general should be expanded on for all of the UK. In a lot of European countries, children are often taught a second language from a young age which gives them more prospects in later life while in the UK, the education of foreign languages is often an afterthought reserved mostly for Secondary Schools and few students bother to pick it up afterwards because it is an afterthought. Language education should form a part of a child's education from Primary School and I believe there should be more opportunities available for adult learners to pick up other languages because it can help broaden horizons and prospects and we should try to catch up to the rest of the world on the language front.

Racist :hehe:

[Denver]

The only English community abroad who dont speak the language are the ones in Benidorm which English is spoken more then Spanish

[Babayaro.]

It isnt mandatory to speak a second language to move from Britain to a different country, and I'm a fan of practice what you preach, and not being a hypocrite.. so no.. I don't think it should be mandatory..
All those British journalists, holiday reps, teachers, doctors, soldiers etc working abroad would be devastated if they were fired tomorrow cos these rules were put in place, as would all the prospective workers planning on a career in any of these fields.

This is my view on it too. :clap1:

[Withano]

Where is your prove that this high up British Teachers, Doctors and Holiday reps dont speak other languages

If you want to be a holiday rep in kavos, you do not need to learn Greek lol. I can't imagine I can find a source because its simply common knowledge, who would write up an article on that. Same goes for any other holiday rep in every other country. There are thousands of British TEFL teachers across Asia and South America, and hundreds of British doctors working in warzone countries. A link isnt required, a basic understanding of how the world works is.
These people shouldnt be denied their job because they cant speak a language, they are providing a service. It is for this reason that I believe your argument is hypocritical, you simply expect more of foreigners than you do of British people.
If you believe all these people should be fired tomorrow, then you have a pretty interesting debate, until then, its a one-sided argument.

[Denver]

If you want to be a holiday rep in magaluf, you do not need to learn Greek lol. I can't imagine I can find a source because its simply common knowledge, who would write up an article on that. Same goes for any other holiday rep in every other country. There are thousands of British TEFL teachers across Asia and South America, and hundreds of British doctors working in warzone countries. A link isnt required, a basic understanding of how the world works is.
These people shouldnt be denied their job because they cant speak a language, they are providing a service. It is for this reason that I believe your argument is hypocritical, you simply expect more of foreigners than you do of British people.
If you believe all these people should be fired tomorrow, then you have a pretty interesting debate, until then, its a one-sided argument.

I cant take this seriously if you think they speak Greek in Spain

[Withano]

I cant take this seriously if you think they speak Greek in Spain

I meant kavos! (But the same goes for magaluf)

[Denver]

I meant kavos! (But the same goes for magaluf)

The reasons why is because the locals all speak perfect English so it isnt required

[Withano]

The reasons why is because the locals all speak perfect English so it isnt required

And the schoolchildren in Beijing or Brazil being taught by British teachers?
The patients in Syria being treated by British doctors?
Can the British journalists living in Iraq can integrate with locals?

Unless you think these people (and the thousands of others I've not mentioned) should all be fired asap, your point is hypocritical.

[Firewire]

And the schoolchildren in Beijing or Brazil being taught by British teachers?
The patients in Syria being treated by British doctors?
Can the British journalists living in Iraq can integrate with locals?

Unless you think these people (and the thousands of others I've not mentioned) should all be fired asap, your point is hypocritical.

Yeah but they're white so it's allowed!!!

[Withano]

Yeah but they're white so it's allowed!!!

Its embarrassing! That is literally what it comes down to! Some weird ingroup/outgroup bias.

[Denver]

Yeah but they're white so it's allowed!!!

Typical Scottish attitude there

[Firewire]

Typical Scottish attitude there

I think you're mistaken about what it means to be "typically Scottish"

[Denver]

And the schoolchildren in Beijing or Brazil being taught by British teachers?
The patients in Syria being treated by British doctors?
Can the British journalists living in Iraq can integrate with locals?

Unless you think these people (and the thousands of others I've not mentioned) should all be fired asap, your point is hypocritical.

The teachers in the better schools learnt he Language

The doctors are there to save lives not Live there forever

British Journalists lives are in danger over there so why will they integrate

[Denver]

I think you're mistaken about what it means to be "typically Scottish"

Well its always the Scottish that accuse everyone of being racist

[Firewire]

Well its always the Scottish that accuse everyone of being racist

Is it?

[Denver]

Yea also he fact you are saying if you are white you get away with not speaking the language when the Polish are the worst and not speaking English

[Babayaro.]

Not Adam making up stereotypes

[Firewire]

Yea also he fact you are saying if you are white you get away with not speaking the language when the Polish are the worst and not speaking English

Why should they need to speak English?

[Denver]

Because they expect to live in the UK claiming benefits using the NHS getting customer based jobs so yes they should be forced to speak English

[Withano]

The teachers in the better schools learnt he Language

The doctors are there to save lives not Live there forever

British Journalists lives are in danger over there so why will they integrate

No they dont. If you want to apply for a TEFL in any country tomorrow, you can. Learning the language is not a requirement.
"Life being in danger" is a weird get-out clause that youve made up on the spot right now to try and piece together your strange argument, which is still hypocritical.
plenty of doctors choose to treat abroad throughout their life. Learning a language is not their priority, perfecting surgical procedures is.
Holiday reps, waiters, and bartenders and those in plenty more lines of work often choose to live in exotic countries throughout their life, and it is not mandatory for them to learn the language.
I dont think it should be mandatory either, they are providing a service, and thhey are presumably good at their job. Its a brave move, and good luck to them.

[Firewire]

Because they expect to live in the UK claiming benefits using the NHS getting customer based jobs so yes they should be forced to speak English

What if they are mute?

[Babayaro.]

What if they are mute?

They have to learn English sign language of course!!

[Denver]

No they dont. If you want to apply for a TEFL in any country tomorrow, you can. Learning the language is not a requirement.
"Life being in danger" is a weird get-out clause that youve made up on the spot right now to try and piece together your strange argument, which is still hypocritical.
plenty of doctors choose to treat abroad throughout their life. Learning a language is not their priority, perfecting surgical procedures is.
Holiday reps, waiters, and bartenders and those in plenty more lines of work often choose to live in exotic countries throughout their life, and it is not mandatory for them to learn the language.
I dont think it should be mandatory either, they are providing a service, and thhey are presumably good at their job. Its a brave move, and good luck to them.

Oh i forgot Journalists are never kidnapped and kiled in wore torn countries

[Denver]

What if they are mute?

That is a totally different subject

[Firewire]

That is a totally different subject

I don't think it is

You said that they should be "forced" to learn English but that isn't so simple for some people

[Withano]

Oh i forgot Journalists are never kidnapped and kiled in worn torn countries

There is a reasonable threat of danger in every coutry, for natives, and migrants. Knowing or not knowing the language doesnt detract from this. Its a weird argument to make in a serious discussion.
If you dont believe that people should learn the language if they move to a country where they are under threat, then the thread can be closed. Its clearly never mandatory.

[Denver]

There is a reasonable threat of danger in every coutry, for natives, and migrants. Knowing or not knowing the language doesnt detract from this. Its a weird argument to make in a serious discussion.
It is a valid argument to make actually

[Withano]

It is a valid argument to make actually

Actually, it suggests that learning the language should never be mandatory.

[Brillopad]

If people come here without the basic skills required to work and support themselves, they should be sent back. They should certainly not receive benefits.

We are not a charity for those who want us to better their lives for them but don't want to make the effort to do so themselves.

[Denver]

Actually, it suggests that learning the language should never be mandatory.
They put there lives on the line to get information for the British not to live a happy life there

[Denver]

If people come here without the basic skills required to work and support themselves, they should be sent back. They should certainly not receive benefits.

We are not a charity for those who want us to better their lives for them but don't want to make the effort to do so themselves.

Oh people expect us to put the taxes up to pay for them

[Withano]

They put there lives on the line to get information for the British not to live a happy life there

Your argument is completely incoherent. You're making up rules for Brits on the spot, and claiming that these new made up rules dont exist for non-brits. You want it ine way, not both. Your argument is drowning in hypocrisy and I struggle to believe you dont see that, I think you're just arguing for the sake of arguing tbh.

[Denver]

Your argument is completely incoherent. You're making up rules for Brits on the spot, and claiming that these new made up rules dont exist for non-brits. You want it ine way, not both. Your argument is drowning in hypocrisy and I struggle to believe you dont see that, I think you're just arguing for the sake of arguing tbh.

My argument is valid i do not pay my taxes for someone who doesnt want to speak the language or care about the country

[Withano]

My argument is valid i do not pay my taxes for someone who doesnt want to speak the language

You are actually, we all are. Time to put on your big boy pants and accept this as an adult, who can too move to other countries without learning the language, as it is not a mandatory requirementof others, or of us. :hee:

[Denver]

You are actually, we all are. Time to put on your big boy pants and accept this as an adult, who can too move to other countries without learning the language, as it is not a mandatory requirementof others, or of us. :hee:

Erm Theresa will put a stop to it and she will but a green card system just like Australia and throw all the lay abouts who come here for a easy time out of the country

[Withano]

Erm Theresa will put a stop to it and she will but a green card system just like Australia and throw all the lay abouts who come here for a easy time out of the country

Youre gonna be pouting, crossing your arms, and stomping your feet for a long time m89

[arista]

yes speaking English
should be the norm.

[Denver]

Youre gonna be pouting, crossing your arms, and stomping your feet for a long time m89

She doesnt want to waste the money on them.

She has already started on the criminals

[Firewire]

Only kidding, I'm for free healthcare for all!

[Denver]

no Healthcare needs a major overhaul so people cant waste time crying because they got a splinter

[RichardG]

If someone intends on living here for the rest of their life then they should make the effort to learn the language.

I've never met an immigrant who doesn't speak English though so I'm not sure how much of an issue this is really.

[Babayaro.]

I don't even think it is that big an issue ^

[Northern Monkey]

Kavos,Benidorm and Magaloof are English provinces anyway.Oh and oiibeefa.

[ebandit]

...have ya seen wor national debt? just make sure prospective immigrants are loaded

Mark L

[joeysteele]

I say no.
I think it would make things easier to be able to and anyway I'd guess picking up some of or the language would come over time.

I know when I've been abroad Just on holiday,it is amazing what you pick up as to other languages.

Anyway no for me to have to be able to.

[VanessaFeltz.]

You should be able to speak the main language of the country you want to move in. Even if you dont know you should study and learn that language.

People escaping rare conditions to live are an exception however they should also try to learn the language because if you dont know the language how are you going to do your daily works and fit with the society?

[Jamie89]

No because there are people who speak Gaelic or Welsh for example that don't speak any English at all or vice versa

I can't speak Gaelic and I'm not interested in learning Gaelic yet I live in Scotland

If I moved to Spain tomorrow I wouldn't be able to speak Spanish. I may learn Spanish in time but I would not be in any rush to as it is very time consuming to learn another language.

So people can move here and not be able to speak the language. It will be very difficult for them but there's their choice.

This for me too. It would be ideal if they could speak English, but mandatory? What are the problems we'd face by those people coming over? Inconvenience that we wouldn't be able to overhear their conversations? The real problems would be faced by the immigrants themselves not us so I don't why it's something we should force onto them. If someone decides to emigrate to a country where they can't speak the language then there must be pretty important reasons for them doing so.

[Brillopad]

Maybe British Citizens should get a vote on whether immigrants who don't bother learning the language should be entitled to any financial assistance and those that don't think they should then get a reduction in their taxes if the yes vote won or those that do get an increase in theirs. Let them put THEIR money where their mouths are. Why should those that disagree contribute for such people.

[Firewire]

Maybe British Citizens should get a vote on whether immigrants who don't bother learning the language should be entitled to any financial assistance and those that don't think they should then get a reduction in their taxes if the yes vote won or those that do get an increase in theirs. Let them put THEIR money where their mouths are. Why should those that disagree contribute for such people.

Because it's not all about language

[Brillopad]

This for me too. It would be ideal if they could speak English, but mandatory? What are the problems we'd face by those people coming over? Inconvenience that we wouldn't be able to overhear their conversations? The real problems would be faced by the immigrants themselves not us so I don't why it's something we should force onto them. If someone decides to emigrate to a country where they can't speak the language then there must be pretty important reasons for them doing so.

Or it costs the NHS, police etc a fortune for interpreters. Why should we help people who won't help themselves.

[Brillopad]

Because it's not all about language

Thought not - no one wants to back up their words with actual cash. Let others pay.

[DemolitionRed]

I think it's fairly vital to be able to speak enough language to communicate effectively wherever you live. It's detrimental to any individual to be unable to communicate.

Try telling that to all the Brits who move to France and can't/won't speak a word of French

[DemolitionRed]

Because they expect to live in the UK claiming benefits using the NHS getting customer based jobs so yes they should be forced to speak English

Actually I think you'l find that most of them work or want to work and they only have a right to free NHS treatment if they are part of the EU and have medical card.

[Brillopad]

Most, if not all, Brits that move to France pay their own way - they don't sponge off others.

[Withano]

How would 'speaking the language' be assessed?
There are plenty of British adults that struggle with the language, sometimes due to developmental disorders. Is anybody proposing that those with developmental disorders should be banned from Britain indefinitely? Thats a bit dark. What about migrant children? How much English should they know? Those that just want to retire here, like the thousands of British expats? What kind of test are those that voted yes proposing? Is there an exclusion criteria? Has anybody who voted yes actually thought about any legitimate element of this past their mindset?

[Firewire]

Most, if not all Brits that move to France pay their own way - they don't sponge off others.

As do most of the expats in Britain

[Withano]

Or it costs the NHS, police etc a fortune for interpreters. Why should we help people who won't help themselves.

"There shouldnt be migrants that cant speak the language because I want to put language interpreters out of work" (also source? Id imagine most families are perfectly fit to help for free)

[Brillopad]

As do most of the expats in Britain

We're not talking about expats though are we.

[Firewire]

We're not talking about expats though are we.

Expats and immigrants are synonyms.

[Brillopad]

"There shouldnt be migrants that cant speak the language because I want to put language interpreters out of work" (also source? Id imagine most families are perfectly fit to help for free)

The money is desperately needed elsewhere in the NHS and shouldn't be wasted on interpreters for those that don't bother to learn the language.

I work for the NHS - and if no one can speak the patient's language no one can be sure the family are giving the patient the correct info/interpretation. It is a safety issue.

[Withano]

The money is desperately needed elsewhere in the NHS and shouldn't be wasted on interpreters for those that don't bother to learn the language.

I work for the NHS - and if no one can speak the patient's language no one can be sure the family are giving the patient the correct info/interpretation. It is a safety issue.

Meh, the adavcancement of online translation tools will make that job and your concern obsolete eventually I suppose
Do you assume those that dont speak the language simply 'can not be bothered to do so'. I think you should give this line of thought a bit more of a sitdown if ya do.

[Livia]

I was required to speak German when I worked in Germany and Italian when I worked in Italy, so I have no idea where this myth has originated that Brits don't have to speak a foreign language to work abroad. If I wanted to be a barmaid in Magaluf, probably English would be enough... but professionals, or at least people who are serious, need to speak the language.

[Jamie89]

Or it costs the NHS, police etc a fortune for interpreters. Why should we help people who won't help themselves.

Is it a fortune? It's a small number of people to start with, and then a smaller number who wind up in a situation where they need an interpreter, it doesn't strike me as something that would cost a lot in the grand scheme of things.
And if they need help, we help them because of the benefits they and their future generations can bring to the country (as well as being because they want to improve their lives), there's a lot of british people today who work and pay into the system and boost our economy who live here because they had ancestors who emigrated here.

[Livia]

Meh, the adavcancement of online translation tools will make that job and your concern obsolete eventually I suppose
Do you assume those that dont speak the language simply 'can not be bothered to do so'. I think you should give this line of thought a bit more of a sitdown if ya do.

I think that's one of the reasons.

[Brillopad]

Is it a fortune? It's a small number of people to start with, and then a smaller number who wind up in a situation where they need an interpreter, it doesn't strike me as something that would cost a lot in the grand scheme of things.
And if they need help, we help them because of the benefits they and their future generations can bring to the country (as well as being because they want to improve their lives), there's a lot of british people today who work and pay into the system and boost our economy who live here because they had ancestors who emigrated here.

It is very expensive.

[Livia]

Is it a fortune? It's a small number of people to start with, and then a smaller number who wind up in a situation where they need an interpreter, it doesn't strike me as something that would cost a lot in the grand scheme of things.
And if they need help, we help them because of the benefits they and their future generations can bring to the country (as well as being because they want to improve their lives), there's a lot of british people today who work and pay into the system and boost our economy who live here because they had ancestors who emigrated here.

I worked at a large college in East London where over 100 languages are recognised, and believe me, the bill for translators was enormous.

[Brillopad]

Meh, the adavcancement of online translation tools will make that job and your concern obsolete eventually I suppose
Do you assume those that dont speak the language simply 'can not be bothered to do so'. I think you should give this line of thought a bit more of a sitdown if ya do.

When needing to be sure a patient understands the risks of a procedure or the potential side effects of medications before agreeing to them they have to use trusted professional interpreters to provide the correct information.

I don't think you understand the significance of that.

This expense could be avoided and the money go to better use if people bothered to learn the language.

[joeysteele]

In my work, I have come across people who do not speak English, however I've found they often have a relative that does,so no official translator needed.

In fact it has been interesting for me to actually pick up the odd sentence of their language.
My guess,I don't know for certain, is that probably many could have a family member better versed as to English to ensure ease of communication more.

[Brillopad]

In my work, I have come across people who do not speak English, however I've found they often have a relative that does,so no official translator needed.

In fact it has been interesting for me to actually pick up the odd sentence of their language.
My guess,I don't know for certain, is that probably many could have a family member better versed as to English to ensure ease of communication more.

In certain areas professionals are required as explained above.

[jaxie]

Try telling that to all the Brits who move to France and can't/won't speak a word of French

I don't know enough Brits living in France to be able to comment on their language skills but would hope that the sensible ones will learn enough language to communicate.

[Kizzy]

Well to work here I guess you would have to understand what is expected of you, and make yourself understood so I would say yes.

[Shaun]

I think everyone should make an effort to learn the language of wherever they move, yes. That applies to both those who come here and those who leave us.

[DemolitionRed]

If an English person moves to France and they have been claiming job seekers allowance in the UK, so long as they can prove they are looking for work, they can claim the equivalent in France. To get medical treatment they can use their EU health card (E111) and claim it back from the UK or if they intend staying, then they have to pay into the French tax system where they will receive a carte vital which puts them in the French medical system. French people coming to the UK use the same system but the problem with the British system is, the administration that is supposed to recover costs is questionable. This isn't the fault of the government or the fault of the person receiving treatment. Its the fault of a flawed administration that don't put the claims through.

[DemolitionRed]

I don't know enough Brits living in France to be able to comment on their language skills but would hope that the sensible ones will learn enough language to communicate.

Our home in France isn't a tourist area and so the small clusters of English families tend to fit in with the French and that includes speaking the language. I have met English people who just don't bother but they more likely live in large ex-pat communities.

The thing about the Brits is, unlike many of our European cousins, they aren't taught a different language at a young age. Romanians for example will learn Russian, English and French from infant school upwards. British kids don't normally start learning French/Spanish/German till senior school and language class isn't taken seriously. Most kids leaving British schools will speak little to no other language.

This means, when we go abroad for a holiday, we can usually rely on those foreigners speaking our language. If we go and live abroad, we can usually get by, by learning the minimum. For those that do make the effort to learn the language of the country who is hosting them, good for them but we have to be sympathetic to those with learning disabilities, elderly people (who often find a new language very difficult) and certain types of dyslexia which makes learning a new language almost impossible. We must carry those same sympathies over to foreigners in Britain with the same problems.

[Marsh.]

I was required to speak German when I worked in Germany and Italian when I worked in Italy, so I have no idea where this myth has originated that Brits don't have to speak a foreign language to work abroad. If I wanted to be a barmaid in Magaluf, probably English would be enough... but professionals, or at least people who are serious, need to speak the language.

This. Working in tourist spots around the world is different to actually working within that country.

[user104658]

Speaking English before arrival should not be mandatory. Making a (real) effort to learn the language after arrival, if intending to stay long term, should be. There's a pretty major difference there I think.

[Kazanne]

Holiday reps usually speak the language .

Soldiers are there to create peace not stay for ever.

They cant come to this country and expect benefits and free NHS if they are not will to become part of British culture

:clap1::clap1:

[Marsh.]

Speaking English before arrival should not be mandatory. Making a (real) effort to learn the language after arrival, if intending to stay long term, should be. There's a pretty major difference there I think.

Yeah, if people are expecting them to do a degree in English language in Calais before coming over then I have bad news. :nono:

[Marsh.]

I love the notion that holiday reps are on par with foreign doctors and teachers in importance and rank. :joker:

A woman handing out flyers in Magaluf for "5 free blow jobs with every fish bowl" is not a professional in any sense of the word.

[user104658]

A woman handing out flyers in Magaluf for "5 free blow jobs with every fish bowl" is not a professional in any sense of the word.

Would have to get the blowjob first to be able to make such a final statement.

[Marsh.]

It is very expensive.

Just posting things like this without any source or statistics to back it up is silly.

Please show us where the wages being paid to interpreters is crippling our economy.

[Marsh.]

Would have to get the blowjob first to be able to make such a final statement.

:joker:

[user104658]

Just posting things like this without any source or statistics to back it up is silly.

Please show us where the wages being paid to interpreters is crippling our economy.

Some people just see "Big Numbaz" and don't understand what they actually represent.

A quick google shows that the NHS spends £23,000,000 on translators per year. DAS BIG NUMBAZ! Economy panic!

... ... it's actually 0.0002% of the NHS budget. :joker:.

[Marsh.]

Some people just see "Big Numbaz" and don't understand what they actually represent.

A quick google shows that the NHS spends £23,000,000 on translators per year. DAS BIG NUMBAZ! Economy panic!

... ... it's actually 0.0002% of the NHS budget. :joker:.

:hehe:

[Brillopad]

Just posting things like this without any source or statistics to back it up is silly.

Please show us where the wages being paid to interpreters is crippling our economy.

I work in the NHS and have arranged interpreters. How do you propose I show you the statistics of that then.

I hardly said it was crippling the economy, no dramatics please, I said it is taking money away from other areas where it is desperately needed which it is. Who knows maybe one of those who would miss out as a result would be a relative/friend of yours.

Why should others suffer because of people who can't be bothered to learn the language of the country they have chosen to live in and much needed money has to be spent on interpreters for them instead where it is really needed.

[Marsh.]

I work in the NHS and have arranged interpreters. How do you propose I show you the statistics of that then.

I hardly said it was crippling the economy, no dramatics please, I said it is taking money away from other areas where it is desperately needed which it is. Who knows maybe one of those who would miss out as a result would be a relative/friend of yours.

Why should others suffer because of people who can't be bothered to learn the language of the country they have chosen to live in and much needed money has to be spent on interpreters for them instead where it is really needed.

That's like saying "Let's not pay administrators for entering data into the computer, the money spent on their wages can be used elsewhere". You're being ridiculous.

Nobody is suffering because the NHS hired interpreters. You sound bigoted.

No dramatics? Yet you are overdramatising this very topic.

[Marsh.]

Ok, to play along. Let's sack the interpreters, now where is that money going to go instead?

[Brillopad]

Some people just see "Big Numbaz" and don't understand what they actually represent.

A quick google shows that the NHS spends £23,000,000 on translators per year. DAS BIG NUMBAZ! Economy panic!

... ... it's actually 0.0002% of the NHS budget. :joker:.

It's £23,000,000 less being spent on medical care. That would buy a lot of care.

But never mind such small numbaz don't matter when the NHS is in such a state. Let's just beez clever anz quote numbaz instead of thinking about ze extraz care zat money could buy.

[MB.]

I like how Marsh is vehemently fighting for both sides of the argument at the same time here

[Marsh.]

It's £23,000,000 less being spent on medical care. That would buy a lot of care.

But never mind such small numbaz don't matter when the NHS is in such a state. Let's just beez clever anz quote numbaz instead of thinking about ze extraz care zat money could buy.

No, I asked you to quote numbers because simply saying "XYZ should not happen because it costs money" is not a valid debate.

Everything costs money.

Bringing actual facts and figures into the discussion is obvious.

[Marsh.]

I like how Marsh is vehemently fighting for both sides of the argument at the same time here

I'm calling out bulls*t comments, I don't care who made them. :fist:

[Cherie]

It's £23,000,000 less being spent on medical care. That would buy a lot of care.

But never mind such small numbaz don't matter when the NHS is in such a state. Let's just beez clever anz quote numbaz instead of thinking about ze extraz care zat money could buy.

:joker:

I like how we are so far gone 23,000,000 is peanuts

[Brillopad]

Ok, to play along. Let's sack the interpreters, now where is that money going to go instead?

Sick patients!

[Cherie]

Sick patients!

Not to the hospital shop :worry:

[Marsh.]

Sick patients!

That's a broad topic there pal.

Are you suggesting we put £ 23, 000, 000 into a sack and have a prize draw for the patients who have beds?

[Marsh.]

Money is spent on NHS vending machines. I am disgusted.

How much money is spent on Quavers that could be spent on cancer research?

[Brillopad]

I'm calling out bulls*t comments, I don't care who made them. :fist:

What's bull**** then - as you seem to think you have all the answers. Explain how you know better.

[Marsh.]

What's bull**** then - as you seem to think you have all the answers. Explain how you know better.

Where have I suggested I have all the answers?

I'm not the one adamantly claiming £23 million is being spent in the wrong place and suggesting we send it to "sick people".

[Brillopad]

Money is spent on NHS vending machines. I am disgusted.

How much money is spent on Quavers that could be spent on cancer research?

You seriously comparing quavers and £23,000,000 of precious NHS money wasted on non-mecical care.

[Marsh.]

:joker:

I like how we are so far gone 23,000,000 is peanuts

Well, do tell what huge difference making all of the interpreters unemployed (oh nooooo not more job seekers allowance) achieves? Is this 23 million equally spread across the entire NHS out of fairness, you know where it would make absolute sod all difference? :smug:

[Brillopad]

Where have I suggested I have all the answers?

I'm not the one adamantly claiming £23 million is being spent in the wrong place and suggesting we send it to "sick people".

So you think spending on interpreters is more important than spending on medical care? Not in my book.

[Marsh.]

You seriously comparing quavers and £23,000,000 of precious NHS money wasted on non-mecical care.

Well, you add up all of those Quaver bags and you have quite a pile of money. :smug: We might fight the obesity epidemic that is DRAINING our country too.

But, whilst we're at it let's sack the office staff and the grounds keepers and any other "non-medical care" and you might realise what a ridiculous Utopia you have dreamt up.

[Brillopad]

Well, do tell what huge difference making all of the interpreters unemployed (oh nooooo not more job seekers allowance) achieves? Is this 23 million equally spread across the entire NHS out of fairness, you know where it would make absolute sod all difference? :smug:

Seriously that is a very silly comment. I'm sure that amount of money could save lives. Even one life saved would be far more worthwhile than interpreters for people who shouldn't need them.

[Marsh.]

So you think spending on interpreters is more important than spending on medical care? Not in my book.

More important? No.

Just like I don't think the canteen girl's wages are more important than serious medical treatment. But then, neither the canteen girl nor the interpreter are draining the NHS budget from taking care of Betty in bed 2.

[user104658]

:joker:

I like how we are so far gone 23,000,000 is peanuts
It's like 30p per person in the UK per year. It is literally less than peanuts.

[Marsh.]

Seriously that is a very silly comment. I'm sure that amount of money could save lives. Even one life saved would be far more worthwhile than interpreters for people who shouldn't need them.

Yeah, and I'm sure one saved life would be more important than the guy brushing leaves in the car park. But.... nobody's ranting about that.

[Brillopad]

Well, you add up all of those Quaver bags and you have quite a pile of money. :smug: We might fight the obesity epidemic that is DRAINING our country too.

But, whilst we're at it let's sack the office staff and the grounds keepers and any other "non-medical care" and you might realise what a ridiculous Utopia you have dreamt up.

This gets sillier by the minute - office staff etc are needed to help provide the care. Lazy people wasting tax payers money are not.

I know more about this than you clearly do so I won't waste my time anymore.

[Brillopad]

It's like 30p per person in the UK per year. It is literally less than peanuts.

The total is not peanuts - it would help a lot of people.

[Marsh.]

This gets sillier by the minute - office staff etc are needed to help provide the care. Lazy people wasting tax payers money are not.


So, out of every penny of the NHS budget (I'm guessing you have scanned over it here) the biggest waste you could find on "non-medical" care is interpreters? Really?

Also, the only way someone cannot be fluent in English (especially when it comes to discussing medical issues and treatment which is a tough thing to do even when Doctor/Patient share a language) is them being "lazy people"? Really?

Oh but, wait...


I know more about this than you clearly do so I won't waste my time anymore.

Oh yes. Of course. I forgot...

It is very expensive.

I work in the NHS and have arranged interpreters.

Well, it's hard to debate these stone cold facts.

But, wait. I work in the NHS and serve chips.

It is very expensive.

[Brillopad]

So, out of every penny of the NHS budget (I'm guessing you have scanned over it here) the biggest waste you could find on "non-medical" care is interpreters? Really?

Also, the only way someone cannot be fluent in English (especially when it comes to discussing medical issues and treatment which is a tough thing to do even when Doctor/Patient share a language) is them being "lazy people"? Really?

Oh but, wait...



Oh yes. Of course. I forgot...





Well, it's hard to debate these stone cold facts.

But, wait. I work in the NHS and serve chips.

It is very expensive.

I serve chips do l. Why did I waste my time at uni I wonder. :joker:

[Marsh.]

I serve chips do l. Why did I waste my time at uni I wonder. :joker:

No.

I serve chips. :hmph: How else do you think I know so much about how much of the NHS budget is wasted on Quavers? :suspect:

[Brillopad]

No.

I serve chips. :hmph: How else do you think I know so much about how much of the NHS budget is wasted on Quavers? :suspect:

You can dress it up all you like but if people made more effort in the country they have chosen to live to learn the language more money would be available for the care of others.

It isn't rocket science - although to some maybe it is.

[Marsh.]

You can dress it up all you like but if people made more effort in the country they have chosen to live to learn the language more money would be available for the care of others.

It isn't rocket science - although to some maybe it is.

Oh no, trust me, it's dressed enough. You've over dressed it.

Lazy foreigners are causing a strain on NHS budgets and taking much needed care away from dying English people. We all get it.

Just like if people picked up after themselves we wouldn't have to employ cleaners and litter pickers.
Meanwhile, in the real world...

[Withano]

Money is spent on NHS vending machines. I am disgusted.

How much money is spent on Quavers that could be spent on cancer research?

Ok i legit died at this comment

[jennyjuniper]

Yes definately. It's an aid to integration. It's safer if they drive and can read road signs and it's the polite and right thing to do. When I moved abroad, even though english was widely spoken, I still found it hard to get a job until I had learned the language.
Not only that, but learning the language of the country you are living in enriches you too, because you get to know the people and culture so much better when you can understand their humour and read their literature.

[Beso]

No, but they need to speak thier own language quieter whilst on buses etc.

[Cherie]

It's like 30p per person in the UK per year. It is literally less than peanuts.

per person yes, in relation to buying a few new machines in a hospital then no, And literally if we break everything we spend money unwisely on per person you can just about justify anything, I think a compromise would be if you work you bring your own, they have no qualms about asking patients most of them elderly to pay in Spain and it works fine, no reason it can't work here

[user104658]

The total is not peanuts - it would help a lot of people.
Yeah it would take the money available for each person from 100% to an eye-watering 100.0002%.

Youre just demonstrating that you have no understanding of funding on a national scale. £23 million pounds to an individual, yes, is a lot of money. £23 million for one hospital, yes, may even be a decent sum.

But one hospital is not spending £23 million.

There are roughly 150 NHS trusts across the UK. That already takes us to £150000 per trust. There are SEVERAL hospitals, clinics, surgeries etc. in each trust. So split that again to maybe £10,000 - £20,000 per establishment. That might even be generous. That's per year. Do you even understand the running costs of a hospital? Like... Even vaguely? The budget for translators is miniscule. It just... Is. The facts and figures are available for anyone who wants to see them.

[Cherie]

Yeah it would take the money available for each person from 100% to an eye-watering 100.0002%.

Youre just demonstrating that you have no understanding of funding on a national scale. £23 million pounds to an individual, yes, is a lot of money. £23 million for one hospital, yes, may even be a decent sum.

But one hospital is not spending £23 million.

There are roughly 150 NHS trusts across the UK. That already takes us to £150000 per trust. There are SEVERAL hospitals, clinics, surgeries etc. in each trust. So split that again to maybe £10,000 - £20,000 per establishment. That might even be generous. That's per year. Do you even understand the running costs of a hospital? Like... Even vaguely? The budget for translators is miniscule. It just... Is. The facts and figures are available for anyone who wants to see them.

Interpreters are required for a limited number of hospitals so it's not spread around between every hospital, some shoulder the burden more than others I can't imagine there is much call for interpreters in Cornwall for instance but in London the need is very high, it's not all about money it's putting systems in place that are fair to everyone not throwing money around and creating resentment especially when we are constantly told NHS funding is in CRISES if they want raise Ni they need to show that the tax paying public that they are making changes that save money in the right areas not denying drugs to patients because they are too expensive, it might be a drop in the ocean but savings have to start somewhere, and starting by maybe having enough cleaning staff to do a decent job would have an impact on levels of MRSA and so on..

[Brillopad]

Interpreters are required for a limited number of hospitals so it's not spread around between every hospital, some shoulder the burden more than others I can't imagine there is much call for interpreters in Cornwall for instance but in London the need is very high, it's not all about money it's putting systems in place that are fair to everyone not throwing money around and creating resentment especially when we are constantly told NHS funding is in CRISES if they want raise Ni they need to show that the tax paying public that they are making changes that save money in the right areas not denying drugs to patients because they are too expensive, it might be a drop in the ocean but savings have to start somewhere, and starting by maybe having enough cleaning staff to do a decent job would have an impact on levels of MRSA and so on..

Excellent point. It does as you say have to start somewhere - kind of like saving the pennies and the pounds taking care of themselves.

There are very strict cutbacks in all areas of the NHS in an attempt to save money so spending on people who could do more to help themselves, but choose not to, is very frustrating.

If we take the attitude that every 'small' amount spent (£23,000,000 - eek) on less productive services is just a drop in the ocean and irrelevant then the NHS going bankrupt would likely be the foregone conclusion.

For instance just imagine how many hip /knee ops, many of which are being cancelled, could that money pay for.

[Livia]

Try telling that to all the Brits who move to France and can't/won't speak a word of French

Didn't you tell us at one point that you live in France for part of the year? How's your French?

[Withano]

Even if it was mandatory to understand English to live here, the NHS would still require interpreters.
Medical documents need to be translated, video interpretations, conference calls, BSL interpreters, seminars, business meetings etc

[user104658]

creating resentment

Yes. There you go. This is exactly what it's about; not the actual money.

especially when we are constantly told NHS funding is in CRISES if they want raise Ni they need to show that the tax paying public that they are making changes that save money in the right areas not denying drugs to patients because they are too expensive, it might be a drop in the ocean but savings have to start somewhere, and starting by maybe having enough cleaning staff to do a decent job would have an impact on levels of MRSA and so on..

Funding is in crisis because the Conservatives have deliberately and systematically slashed funding in order to destabilise the NHS, erode public confidence, and sell it all off to private organisations. Until people start understanding this, there's very little point in discussing what could or couldn't be done with the (YES ****ING TINY IN NATIONWIDE TERMS no matter how sarcastic people want to be about that) amount of £23,000,000 that is spent on interpreters for non English speaking patients.

A saving of 23 million would make absolutely zero difference to the wider NHS. None. Zip. People want translation services cut out of PURE SPITE because they personally don't believe non English speakers should be using the NHS or accommodated in doing so. Simple as that.

[Cherie]

Yes. There you go. This is exactly what it's about; not the actual money.



Funding is in crisis because the Conservatives have deliberately and systematically slashed funding in order to destabilise the NHS, erode public confidence, and sell it all off to private organisations. Until people start understanding this, there's very little point in discussing what could or couldn't be done with the (YES ****ING TINY IN NATIONWIDE TERMS no matter how sarcastic people want to be about that) amount of £23,000,000 that is spent on interpreters for non English speaking patients.

A saving of 23 million would make absolutely zero difference to the wider NHS. None. Zip. People want translation services cut out of PURE SPITE because they personally don't believe non English speakers should be using the NHS or accommodated in doing so. Simple as that.

Yes I understand the cuts to funding, but I also understand that there is huge waste in the NHS, how many unnecessary letters for instance are sent out, I got one the other day confirming an appointment had been cancelled after I had already received one the previous week so in effect a letter confirming what a letter had previously confirmed, this isn't a one off, it happens regularly, the problem it seem these day is that no one actually gives a monkeys about the job they do or uses their brain, it's someone else's money and as long as their pay goes into their account at the end of the month who cares!

[Kazanne]

I work in the NHS and have arranged interpreters. How do you propose I show you the statistics of that then.

I hardly said it was crippling the economy, no dramatics please, I said it is taking money away from other areas where it is desperately needed which it is. Who knows maybe one of those who would miss out as a result would be a relative/friend of yours.

Why should others suffer because of people who can't be bothered to learn the language of the country they have chosen to live in and much needed money has to be spent on interpreters for them instead where it is really needed.

:clap1::clap1::clap1:

[Kazanne]

I am sick of the times I have been on the phone with someone I cant understand, I do on occasion ask if I can speak to someone who speaks English as honestly some of them are just jibberish to me.

[reece(:]

Definitely (but holiday goers get a free pass!)

[Brillopad]

Yes. There you go. This is exactly what it's about; not the actual money.



Funding is in crisis because the Conservatives have deliberately and systematically slashed funding in order to destabilise the NHS, erode public confidence, and sell it all off to private organisations. Until people start understanding this, there's very little point in discussing what could or couldn't be done with the (YES ****ING TINY IN NATIONWIDE TERMS no matter how sarcastic people want to be about that) amount of £23,000,000 that is spent on interpreters for non English speaking patients.

A saving of 23 million would make absolutely zero difference to the wider NHS. None. Zip. People want translation services cut out of PURE SPITE because they personally don't believe non English speakers should be using the NHS or accommodated in doing so. Simple as that.

£23 million may not make a Hugh diffference to the wider NHS but it would make a lot of difference to those it could help.

Also, the crisis in the NHS may be as a result of Tory policy, but regardless of that the money that is there should be better spent i.e. Not on interpreters.

Lack of funding from the tories needs to be addressed but, in the meantime, we should not waste the precious funds we have. - that really is no excuse.

[Denver]

Definitely (but holiday goers get a free pass!)

Yes if your only going to the country for a week or 2 it isnt important but t is if you choose to live there

[Marsh.]

per person yes, in relation to buying a few new machines in a hospital then no, And literally if we break everything we spend money unwisely on per person you can just about justify anything, I think a compromise would be if you work you bring your own, they have no qualms about asking patients most of them elderly to pay in Spain and it works fine, no reason it can't work here
Yeah it works the other way too.

You can add up how much is spent on "non-important" things until you're blue in the face and be horrified at how much money is spent not saving lives.

[Brillopad]

Yes I understand the cuts to funding, but I also understand that there is huge waste in the NHS, how many unnecessary letters for instance are sent out, I got one the other day confirming an appointment had been cancelled after I had already received one the previous week so in effect a letter confirming what a letter had previously confirmed, this isn't a one off, it happens regularly, the problem it seem these day is that no one actually gives a monkeys about the job they do or uses their brain, it's someone else's money and as long as their pay goes into their account at the end of the month who cares!

Although I agree with your post in general I will add that duplicate letters being sent out has more to do with staff shortages and staff being under considerable stress rather than incompetence or not caring about their job.

The workload of all NHS staff is very heavy because of staff shortages and very stressful. Mistakes occur.

[Marsh.]

Yes. There you go. This is exactly what it's about; not the actual money.



Funding is in crisis because the Conservatives have deliberately and systematically slashed funding in order to destabilise the NHS, erode public confidence, and sell it all off to private organisations. Until people start understanding this, there's very little point in discussing what could or couldn't be done with the (YES ****ING TINY IN NATIONWIDE TERMS no matter how sarcastic people want to be about that) amount of £23,000,000 that is spent on interpreters for non English speaking patients.

A saving of 23 million would make absolutely zero difference to the wider NHS. None. Zip. People want translation services cut out of PURE SPITE because they personally don't believe non English speakers should be using the NHS or accommodated in doing so. Simple as that.
Exactly. Fair enough if that is their opinion but don't try and then fail to dress it up as faux outrage at the interpreters wages bleeding out much needed NHS funding.

[Marsh.]

Yes I understand the cuts to funding, but I also understand that there is huge waste in the NHS, how many unnecessary letters for instance are sent out, I got one the other day confirming an appointment had been cancelled after I had already received one the previous week so in effect a letter confirming what a letter had previously confirmed, this isn't a one off, it happens regularly, the problem it seem these day is that no one actually gives a monkeys about the job they do or uses their brain, it's someone else's money and as long as their pay goes into their account at the end of the month who cares!
Cherie proving my earlier point about useless bloody administrators. :clap2:

Get them out first!!! :fist:

[Cherie]

Although I agree with your post in general I will add that duplicate letters being sent out has more to do with staff shortages and staff being under considerable stress rather than incompetence or not caring about their job.

The workload of all NHS staff is very heavy because of staff shortages and very stressful. Mistakes occur.

I'm not sure it is a mistake though as it happens so often it looks like some sort of procedure they follow

[Brillopad]

Yeah it works the other way too.

You can add up how much is spent on "non-important" things until you're blue in the face and be horrified at how much money is spent not saving lives.

So let's just add non-essential interpreters to the list then. Put the emphasis of what should be a personal responsibility of those that choose to live here onto an already cash strapped NHS. Bull!

[Cherie]

Is it spiteful of the a Spanish to get expats to pay for their interpreters or prudence on their part?

[Marsh.]

£23 million may not make a Hugh diffference to the wider NHS but it would make a lot of difference to those it could help.

So the 23 million wouldn't be spread evenly across the whole NHS.

So how would you decide which specific patients this money would then benefit? And what priority do they have over the rest of the NHS?

[Marsh.]

So let's just add non-essential interpreters to the list then. Put the emphasis of what should be a personal responsibility of those that choose to live here onto an already cash strapped NHS. Bull!
Non essential?

You do realise interpreters are used for a hell of a lot more than Mr Muhamad from Bradford who has no interest in learning English?

[Brillopad]

Non essential?

You do realise interpreters are used for a hell of a lot more than Mr Muhamad from Bradford who has no interest in learning English?

Of course. But that workload could be reduced and therefore money saved. Again not rocket science.

Mr Mohamed from Bradford shouldn't be here if he has no interest in integrating. I therefore have no interest in him.

[UserSince2005]

Economic migrants yes, if they dont know english then they have to take ****ty jobs and live in poverty, which is not fair on them, it disgusting the driving down of wages and really unfair on the people who came here looking for a better life.

[waterhog]

I live in an area where people hardly speak English and have seen circumstances where they require a translator to talk to people who speak English.

So do you believe that migrants should be able to speak English before coming to the UK?

hi adam - with out being rude please could you put your question a different way as I am having difficulties understanding what you are asking.

if you want it to sink into my brain you can write me a poem - jingle - rhyme and I will heed as poetry is my communication. :joker:

[Marsh.]

Of course. But that workload could be reduced and therefore money saved. Again not rocket science.

Mr Mohamed from Bradford shouldn't be here if he has no interest in integrating. I therefore have no interest in him.
You clearly do since it's lazy people like him is the entire reason for this argument about wasting money on interpreters.

[joeysteele]

I think the question in the OP is a valid one.

It would be good if more or all had a good basic level of English.
I myself just would prefer it not to be made mandatory however,hence why overall I answered no at this time,to the question put.

[Marsh.]

Of course. But that workload could be reduced and therefore money saved. Again not rocket science.

Mr Mohamed from Bradford shouldn't be here if he has no interest in integrating. I therefore have no interest in him.

So, if £23 million is the entire amount spent on interpreters, and we're not getting rid of them all then it wouldn't be £23 million savings but actually a lot less now.

And, again, where are we spending this saving? Because spreading it equally across the whole of the NHS would make approximately 0 difference.

Focussing the entire saving on one area might make a difference, but which are deserves it more? :think:

[Alf]

No, it should definitely not be mandatory, but it would be beneficial to all parties if they could.