Theresa May promises a free vote on fox hunting if elected

[Jack_]

Thought I'd post seeing as this was being discussed yesterday. Looks like Joey's been proven right (as usual)...took less than 24 hours! :hehe:

Clip here:

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/theresa-may-fox-hunting-bring-back-ban-repeal-conservative-tories-general-election-rural-vote-a7726506.html

And here's a few other right-wing sources to stop the inevitable 'oh, that lefty paper would say that!'. Keeps everyone happy :)

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-4487464/Secret-Tory-plot-repeal-fox-hunting-ban-13-years.html

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2017/05/09/theresa-may-pledges-lift-dropping-fox-hunting-pledge-conservative/

https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/3520507/theresa-may-pledges-to-hold-a-free-vote-to-repeal-the-fox-hunting-ban-if-she-wins-the-general-election/

[Cherie]

:bored: awful woman

[joeysteele]

This just demonstrates her unsavoury thinking,awful woman.
She states she is a supporter of this vile barbaric and sick unnecessary brutal murder of animals,by even more sick ignorant sights all on horseback behind loads of dogs.

She'll get it through too with a bigger majority.
Absolutely sick.

I for one would never think favourably or have the slightest admiration for anyone advocating this cruelty.

Says a lot about her and her Party too,since it will be presented for a vote when she wins this election and given the support to bring this back then.

I knew she would want to bring it back,it's no surprise to me.

[smudgie]

It will be interesting to see what result a free vote brings, could put it to bed once and for all.

[joeysteele]

It will be interesting to see what result a free vote brings, could put it to bed once and for all.

It was in the Conservative manifesto last time.
Sorry I would not want to take the slightest risk of this being brought back.

You actually think,even on a freevote with a much bigger majority,Con MPs raking in funds and support from the foxhunting lobby,won't support legalising it again.

When the majority is to bring it back on a freevote,would you still call it 'interesting'.
Unbelievable.

It should be put to bed anyway,with no attempts from anyone with power, with an ounce of decency even considering bringing it back at all.
In a freevote Con MPs along with Mrs May leading them will vote it back once she gets her bigger win on June 8th.

[smudgie]

It was in the Conservative manifesto last time.
Sorry I would not want to take the slightest risk of this being brought back.

You actually think,even on a freevote with a much bigger majority,Con MPs raking in funds and support from the foxhunting lobby,won't support legalising it again.

When the majority is to bring it back on a freevote,would you still call it 'interesting'.
Unbelievable.

It should be put to bed anyway,with no attempts from anyone with power, with an ounce of decency even considering bringing it back at all.
In a freevote Con MPs along with Mrs May leading them will vote it back once she gets her bigger win on June 8th.

Better voting for or against it than having it forced through like last time.
On a personal level, I don't really have as strong an aversion to it as you.
Something the countryside folk should have decided, not the townies.
Poor chickens that the vermin foxes kill don't have a choice.:fist:

[Marsh.]

Better voting for or against it than having it forced through like last time.
On a personal level, I don't really have as strong an aversion to it as you.
Something the countryside folk should have decided, not the townies.
Poor chickens that the vermin foxes kill don't have a choice.:fist:

Ah but that is nature. The food chain. :love:

[smudgie]

Ah but that is nature. The food chain. :love:

Yes, but what about our poor little chickens.
Killed before they reach the oven:joker:

Oooops, edit.
Not that I roast chickens alive.

[joeysteele]

Better voting for or against it than having it forced through like last time.
On a personal level, I don't really have as strong an aversion to it as you.
Something the countryside folk should have decided, not the townies.
Poor chickens that the vermin foxes kill don't have a choice.:fist:

That explains a lot.

Clearly it would suit you it back or not.
Those of us who are disgusted and sick at the sight of a group of grown up people on horseback with a pack of hounds chasing one fox,to see it torn apart alive,laughing and drinking afterwards.
Fine if you admire that sort of thing.

What animals do with each other is nature.
This gets called sport for goodness sake.

Clearly she has your your support to bring this shocking thing back anyway.
No person or Party would ever get mine to bring it back for sure.

[Marsh.]

OH, do Foxes not eat the chickens. Just kill them for fun? :worry:

[joeysteele]

OH, do Foxes not eat the chickens. Just kill them for fun? :worry:

I watched a documentary on foxes a few years ago.
The suggestion was they killed a lot of chickens, with the aim to carry them off and bury them to eat later to feed themselves and their young.
It's still nature.

The problem is,a lot of noise is made when the Fox gets where the birds are, ending often with the Fox being disturbed in its returning often to carry off of the dead birds,when farmers/ownets are alerted.
So that's when sometimes many birds are found killed.

[smudgie]

OH, do Foxes not eat the chickens. Just kill them for fun? :worry:

Yes, they normally make sure they kill the lot before they run away.
They like nothing better than biting their heads off in a frenzied murder attack.

[Greg!]

Disgusting woman

[UserSince2005]

OH, do Foxes not eat the chickens. Just kill them for fun? :worry:
Yes they kill for fun, on the old family farm, they were the worst, really evil creatures, killed so many of our chicken, would never eat them.

Now living in portsmouth we are over run with foxes, its only a matter of time before one kills a young child and then labour will have blood on its hand once again.

Bring back fox hunting!!!

[joeysteele]

Yes, they normally make sure they kill the lot before they run away.
They like nothing better than biting their heads off in a frenzied murder attack.

They likely kill them all as the documentary I watched indicated both for food to be buried and also to stop the noise made by the birds.

Are you advocating what the Fox does for survival and in nature,justifies all those people all dressed up on horseback with packs of dogs chasing a fox for ages,exhausting it and tearing it to pieces alive.
Good grief just typing that makes me feel sick inside.

I lived in the country and as a child saw the end of a foxhunt.
It haunts me still the sight of it,one of the most horrible things I've ever seen for sure.
I've hated foxhunting ever since.

[joeysteele]

Cats,domestic ones,go around killing birds and not eating them,leaving blood strewn feathers all over the place.
Ruining people's flowerbeds etc:
Should people go hunting cats with packs of dogs.

[smudgie]

They likely kill them all as the documentary I watched indicated both for food to be buried and also to stop the noise made by the birds.

Are you advocating what the Fox does for survival and in nature,justifies all those people all dressed up on horseback with packs of dogs chasing a fox for ages,exhausting it and tearing it to pieces alive.
Good grief just typing that makes me feel sick inside.

I lived in the country and as a child saw the end of a foxhunt.
It haunts me still the sight of it,one of the most horrible things I've ever seen for sure.
I've hated foxhunting ever since.

I am not advocating anything other than a free vote.:shrug:
As I have said, in all honesty, it does not bother me either way in as much as I can see both sides of it.

[joeysteele]

I am not advocating anything other than a free vote.:shrug:
As I have said, in all honesty, it does not bother me either way in as much as I can see both sides of it.

Sounds more to me you're trying to make an argument for hunting.foxes with dogs.
If I am wrong on that I apologise unresevedly.

If however you think on a freevote with many more Con MPs that it would not get legalised again,then I predict you are way off the mark.
Because I'd bet loads it would be easily.

However I'd rather not risk any vote being able to take place at all.

[reece(:]

She's a vile piece of work

[Marsh.]

She's a vile piece of work

Smudgie is lovely. :nono:

[Kazanne]

Smudgie is lovely. :nono:

:joker::joker::joker: I agree,Marsh you do make me laugh.

[Alf]

This is part of toff culture, shouldn't we respect it?

#Toffphobia

[Kazanne]

Well my stance on this is pretty much the same as Joeys,so if this comes to fruition I will not be voting as I adore animals ,all animals,for me there is a simple answer if chickens were in proper strong and stable(excuse the pun) pens foxes would not be able to get at them,more often than not they are kept in flimsy pens that have been thrown together,there is NO way I can condone a bunch of arseholes,blowing horns,whipping dogs into a frenzy to kill these beautiful animals plus sometimes they dig them out and throw them to the hounds hardly a fair fight from a bunch of blood thirsty morons,not to mention the poor horses that get hurt and old dogs shot!!! so I am with Joey on this one and I will keep my eyes open on this one ,If she goes for this I think it would be political suicide for her,really disappointed she is even contemplating this.

[Jamie89]

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[smudgie]

Smudgie is lovely. :nono:

:laugh::laugh: you silly beggar. :love:

[joeysteele]

Well my stance on this is pretty much the same as Joeys,so if this comes to fruition I will not be voting as I adore animals ,all animals,for me there is a simple answer if chickens were in proper strong and stable(excuse the pun) pens foxes would not be able to get at them,more often than not they are kept in flimsy pens that have been thrown together,there is NO way I can condone a bunch of arseholes,blowing horns,whipping dogs into a frenzy to kill these beautiful animals plus sometimes they dig them out and throw them to the hounds hardly a fair fight from a bunch of blood thirsty morons,not to mention the poor horses that get hurt and old dogs shot!!! so I am with Joey on this one and I will keep my eyes open on this one ,If she goes for this I think it would be political suicide for her,really disappointed she is even contemplating this.


Oh gosh yes I forgot them blowing the horns too.
They make you feel physically sick.

It's going.to be done if she wins on June 8th,that's certain and it will get passed
The foxhunting lobby are strong supporters of the Conservatives.

She will for sure stick to this for them and their donations.
Plus of course the fact she strongly supports this barbaric form of hunting herself too.

[Kazanne]

Oh gosh yes I forgot them blowing the horns too.
They make you feel physically sick.

It's going.to be done if she wins on June 8th,that's certain and it will get passed
The foxhunting lobby are strong supporters of the Conservatives.

She will for sure stick to this for them and their donations.
Plus of course the fact she strongly supports this barbaric form of hunting herself too.

Well I wont be voting Joey,there is no need in this day and age to use cruelty to animals as a sport,plus they look ridiculous,i don't even like horse racing tbh,anything using animals is not sport in my book,so she has just lost a voter and I am sure there are many more like me,she needs to be careful.

[user104658]

I don't think the majority of Tory voters would really care much if they brought back the hunt. Though they'd probably get more votes for it if they suggested hunting immigrants and the disabled instead of foxes.

[Cherie]

Smudgie is lovely. :nono:

:joker: poor smudge battered for being too centerist:fist:

[Alf]

Anyway, I'm off down The Fox and Hound.

[Cherie]

Well I wont be voting Joey,there is no need in this day and age to use cruelty to animals as a sport,plus they look ridiculous,i don't even like horse racing tbh,anything using animals is not sport in my book,so she has just lost a voter and I am sure there are many more like me,she needs to be careful.

the next trick is to turn you into a Corbynite :hehe:

[Mystic Mock]

This is part of toff culture, shouldn't we respect it?

#Toffphobia

#Supporttoffphobia if this is what they call a "sport" and "fun."

[Kazanne]

the next trick is to turn you into a Corbynite :hehe:

:laugh: I don't mind him actually,he went to our local grammar school,I'm gonna sit on the fence for a while I think:laugh:

[Alf]

Don't let that Cherie brainwash you Kaz, I know how manipulating she can be.

Stay away from the Dark side.

[ebandit]

who says time only moves forward...............

bear baiting etc were correctly abolished years ago.....................

fox hunting too became a thing of the past..............until.....

Mark L

[joeysteele]

Well I wont be voting Joey,there is no need in this day and age to use cruelty to animals as a sport,plus they look ridiculous,i don't even like horse racing tbh,anything using animals is not sport in my book,so she has just lost a voter and I am sure there are many more like me,she needs to be careful.

I've always felt strongly about this as I said earlier after seeing the end of a hunt as a child.
The memory haunts me still.

No matter what Party it was,I could never support it if it had this awful plan to bring this back.
I just cannot understand the thinking of people who support it.

To use power to bring it back is even less understandable to me.
I just hate all it is and I look with contempt as to those who take part in or support it.

[Scarlett.]

Not quite sure who May is trying to attract with this since 84% of the British public are against fox hunting (http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/fox-hunting-boxing-day-poll-opposition-all-time-high-theresa-may-hunting-ban-act-vote-a7495336.html). It's simply a barbaric sport which belongs in the past.

[Cal.]

Ugh what an old skank.

[Jake.]

Of course she would. She's honestly a ****ing disgrace

[Kazanne]

Don't let that Cherie brainwash you Kaz, I know how manipulating she can be.

Stay away from the Dark side.

:laugh: She's a wicked woman Alf.

[Marsh.]

Of course she would. She's honestly a ****ing disgrace

I'm honestly sick of this bullying of Our Smudgie.

I'll be taking this further.

[Tom4784]

tD7EpGwhHEY

[Jack_]

862006354747297792

I'm ****ing screaming

[Northern Monkey]

There must be humane ways of controling the fox population.I'm sure there is.Fox hunting is just cruelty.

[jaxie]

Fox hunting is cruel. I will lobbying my local Tory MP about it.

[Kizzy]

Everything they do is cruel, I can't think of one policy that isn't. They are the nasty party.

[thesheriff443]

In roman times slaves would of been fed to lion's and made to fight to the death.
A fox does what it does to survive a human does what it does for a entertainment.

The tories are self harming with this vote and running around like a headless chicken, problem is Corbin ain't got the teeth for the job.

[joeysteele]

Not quite sure who May is trying to attract with this since 84% of the British public are against fox hunting (http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/fox-hunting-boxing-day-poll-opposition-all-time-high-theresa-may-hunting-ban-act-vote-a7495336.html). It's simply a barbaric sport which belongs in the past.

They've wanted to do this since 2010 really.
It was tucked away in the 2015 manifesto, however an only 12 overall majority would not ensure success as there are Con MPs still opposed.

The point is the foxhunting lobby in the main support the Conservatives,they wouldnt get this from any other respectable political party.

She like Cameron before her,don't think voters will care enough to make it an issue that will decide their way of voting.
They believe foxes don't come high on most voters agendas.

So when she gets that bigger majority that voters appear to be heading to give her,that will mean,under a subtle freevote, she will be ensured victory to bring it back.

Satisfying that bloodthirsty foxhunting huntsmen/women element that donate to and support the Cons,plus the fact Mrs May is a very strong supporter of this barbaric hunting with packs of hounds.
That is what matters to Mrs May and those in the Cons who have always wanted this made legal again.

She really doesn't believe,and is not in my view likely to take notice of any opposition either,that any or many voters will really not vote Con,because of foxhunting.

Polls state probably 84% of respondents are against foxhunting,if she can even ignore that, really that says all about her own warped,in my view, fixed thinking on the issue

[Livia]

It will be interesting to see what result a free vote brings, could put it to bed once and for all.

My thoughts too. I know plenty of Tories - country people - who would be horrified at the prospect of a return to hunting with dogs.

[Niamh.]

Jeez, bring it back? It really feels like politics and world is going backwards in time these days

[joeysteele]

My thoughts too. I know plenty of Tories - country people - who would be horrified at the prospect of a return to hunting with dogs.

Enough to be sure to defeat it,would you guarantee that.
Because I would say for sure with a bigger majority,it would be won not lost at all.

I'd guarantee and predict that, despite the Con MPs and supporters in principle against it but who would not likely vote against it even in a freevote.

Personally I'd rather not see this woman have the chance to even try to bring it back.
With all going on in the UK right now, that this is even in her mind still to do just builds more contempt from me towards her.

It's barbaric, no decent person would even just think of using power to bring it back.

[Cherie]

Jeez, bring it back? It really feels like politics and world is going backwards in time these days

I know, i think it was Mark L likened it to bear baiting, in years to come they will gasp that people actually send a pack of dogs after a fox for fun :umm2:

I used to have a Tshirt that said

For Fox sake stop the hunt back in the day :hehe:

[Niamh.]

I know, i think it was Mark L likened it to bear baiting, in years to come they will gasp that people actually send a pack of dogs after a fox for fun :umm2:

I used to have a Tshirt that said

For Fox sake stop the hunt back in the day :hehe:

very clever :shocked:

Yeah or hare coursing that's horrific as well

[Livia]

Enough to be sure to defeat it,would you guarantee that.
Because I would say for sure with a bigger majority,it would be won not lost at all.

I'd guarantee and predict that, despite the Con MPs and supporters in principle against it but who would not likely vote against it even in a freevote.

Personally I'd rather not see this woman have the chance to even try to bring it back.
With all going on in the UK right now, that this is even in her mind still to do just builds more contempt from me towards her.

It's barbaric, no decent person would even just think of using power to bring it back.

For once we are in agreement, Joey. I can't imagine what they're thinking...

[Cherie]

very clever :shocked:

Yeah or hare coursing that's horrific as well

Hare coursing :umm2: I used to protest about that as well, awful

[Niamh.]

Hare coursing :umm2: I used to protest about that as well, awful

I remember when I was in 5th year I wrote an article about banning hare coursing and it got put in the paper :hee:

[Cherie]

I remember when I was in 5th year I wrote an article about banning hare coursing and it got put in the paper :hee:

:clap2:

I googled my tshirt they have a new variation

https://www.thewildlifestyle.com/products/for-fox-sake-stop-hunting?variant=26214336455

[Niamh.]

:clap2:

I googled my tshirt they have a new variation

https://www.thewildlifestyle.com/products/for-fox-sake-stop-hunting?variant=26214336455

oh I love it :love:

[Alf]

What difference does it make to your life, if it's banned or not?

That's not a me having a go at you question (even if it comes across that way) I'm just interested to know why this is such an important issue for some people?

I must admit, I'm more interested in what I'm gonna have for my tea, than this.

[Northern Monkey]

What difference does it make to your life, if it's banned or not?

That's not a me having a go at you question (even if it comes across that way) I'm just interested to know why. this is such an important issue for some people?

I must admit, I'm more interested in what I'm gonna have for my tea, than this.

Are you havin fox butties by any chance?

[Alf]

Are you havin fox butties by any chance?I was thinking more Fox fingers with chips and mushy peas.

[Kazanne]

I know, i think it was Mark L likened it to bear baiting, in years to come they will gasp that people actually send a pack of dogs after a fox for fun :umm2:

I used to have a Tshirt that said

For Fox sake stop the hunt back in the day :hehe:

I have that Tshirt too Cherie:laugh:

[joeysteele]

For once we are in agreement, Joey. I can't imagine what they're thinking...

Oh I still agree a great deal with you,I generally get where you come from on issues but many times still,you fire off thought provoking points on issues that make me think and re think.

Really glad we agree on this issue.
It's something I've hated ever since I first came across it.

[armand.kay]

Why would she even bring this up? It's something that I imagine the majority if the British public are disgusted by. Does she want to lose support?

[ebandit]

What difference does it make to your life, if it's banned or not?


.....it would make no difference to my life if n korea was nuked off

the face of our earth tomorrow.......................still would not make it right

or not worthy of protest

Mark L

[Niamh.]

.....it would make no difference to my life if n korea was nuked off

the face of our earth tomorrow.......................still would not make it right

or not worthy of protest

Mark L

Exactly, most "causes" don't effect our individual lives doesn't mean we can't care or be concerned about them. Would be an awful world if we all only cared about ourselves

[Alf]

Exactly, most "causes" don't effect our individual lives doesn't mean we can't care or be concerned about them. Would be an awful world if we all only cared about ourselvesI thought it already was an awful world?

Life is about surviving the game, we only get one go at it, and it could end anytime.

In reality, there's far bigger issues to be angry about.

You like that cage fighting, that's quite a barbaric sport. Would you join those that tried to ban it, or would you care for your own entertainment.

I'm not having a go at you Niamh or saying you're wrong, I'm just trying to question things.

[Niamh.]

I thought it already was an awful world?

Life is about surviving the game, we only get one go at it, and it could end anytime.

In reality, there's far bigger issues to be angry about.

You like that cage fighting, that's quite a barbaric sport. Would you join those that tried to ban it, or would you care for your own entertainment.

I'm not having a go at you Niamh or saying you're wrong, I'm just trying to question things.

Some things in the world are awful and some are not, every person only caring about things that directly effected them would surely make it alot worse?

I don't think you can compare MMA to fox hunting though because there is no unwillinging participants in MMA, it's a sport and the competitors are there by choice like boxers and other martial artists

I don't think you're having a go, don't worry :laugh:

[Kazanne]

I thought it already was an awful world?

Life is about surviving the game, we only get one go at it, and it could end anytime.

In reality, there's far bigger issues to be angry about.

You like that cage fighting, that's quite a barbaric sport. Would you join those that tried to ban it, or would you care for your own entertainment.

I'm not having a go at you Niamh or saying you're wrong, I'm just trying to question things.

The difference is Alf ,humans that do cage fighting make the decision to do it themselves ,animals have no choice.

[Livia]

What difference does it make to your life, if it's banned or not?

That's not a me having a go at you question (even if it comes across that way) I'm just interested to know why this is such an important issue for some people?

I must admit, I'm more interested in what I'm gonna have for my tea, than this.


It matters to me because I love animals and I don't want to see them unnecessarily tortured. If Fox numbers must be kept down, then they should be kept down by employing a gamekeeper or similar who will shoot the foxes. They're likely to be a keen shot and the suffering is minimal. There is no benefit from hunting with dogs other than some rich people - and it's almost always rich people - get to chase something till it dies of exhaustion, or is ripped apart by hounds. And that's fun for them. Sometimes they cut off the tail of the dismembered fox and rub the blood over their child's face... blooding them. And in order to do all this, they dress up in fancy dress. And it's not like the hounds have such a great life...

I live in the countryside and there are lots of people - not just London blow-ins like me - who were born and bred in the country who abhor the thought of hunting with dogs. The Tories would be insane to reintroduce it.

[Cal.]

Jeez, bring it back? It really feels like politics and world is going backwards in time these days

This.

[Kazanne]

It matters to me because I love animals and I don't want to see them unnecessarily tortured. If Fox numbers must be kept down, then they should be kept down by employing a gamekeeper or similar who will shoot the foxes. They're likely to be a keen shot and the suffering is minimal. There is no benefit from hunting with dogs other than some rich people - and it's almost always rich people - get to chase something till it dies of exhaustion, or is ripped apart by hounds. And that's fun for them. Sometimes they cut off the tail of the dismembered fox and rub the blood over their child's face... blooding them. And in order to do all this, they dress up in fancy dress. And it's not like the hounds have such a great life...

I live in the countryside and there are lots of people - not just London blow-ins like me - who were born and bred in the country who abhor the thought of hunting with dogs. The Tories would be insane to reintroduce it.

I agree Livia,whatever is she thinking? I thought she wanted to win,I think this is very dodgy ground she is treading.

[Alf]

I've used this analogy before

If war were to break out tomorrow, you wouldn't even think like this, your only thought would be for your own survival.

We're all selfish, it's just what us humans are.

The fact it doesn't make any difference to my life, means that it's not an issue that I'd be considering, when placing my vote.

[Beso]

Fox hunting is disgusting but i find most peoples problem is not the cruelty to the fox but more for the hatred for those on horseback.

[joeysteele]

It matters to me because I love animals and I don't want to see them unnecessarily tortured. If Fox numbers must be kept down, then they should be kept down by employing a gamekeeper or similar who will shoot the foxes. They're likely to be a keen shot and the suffering is minimal. There is no benefit from hunting with dogs other than some rich people - and it's almost always rich people - get to chase something till it dies of exhaustion, or is ripped apart by hounds. And that's fun for them. Sometimes they cut off the tail of the dismembered fox and rub the blood over their child's face... blooding them. And in order to do all this, they dress up in fancy dress. And it's not like the hounds have such a great life...

I live in the countryside and there are lots of people - not just London blow-ins like me - who were born and bred in the country who abhor the thought of hunting with dogs. The Tories would be insane to reintroduce it.


Fantastic post.
All the valid reasons against this unnecessary and barbaric hunting highlighted throughout.

Post of the thread for me.

[Alf]

It matters to me because I love animals and I don't want to see them unnecessarily tortured. If Fox numbers must be kept down, then they should be kept down by employing a gamekeeper or similar who will shoot the foxes. They're likely to be a keen shot and the suffering is minimal. There is no benefit from hunting with dogs other than some rich people - and it's almost always rich people - get to chase something till it dies of exhaustion, or is ripped apart by hounds. And that's fun for them. Sometimes they cut off the tail of the dismembered fox and rub the blood over their child's face... blooding them. And in order to do all this, they dress up in fancy dress. And it's not like the hounds have such a great life...

I live in the countryside and there are lots of people - not just London blow-ins like me - who were born and bred in the country who abhor the thought of hunting with dogs. The Tories would be insane to reintroduce it.But by nature, dogs love hunting. Should we take that away from them?

[Niamh.]

I've used this analogy before

If war were to break out tomorrow, you wouldn't even think like this, your only thought would be for your own survival.

We're all selfish, it's just what us humans are.

The fact it doesn't make any difference to my life, means that it's not an issue that I'd be considering, when placing my vote.

With all due respect Alf you have no idea how I or anyone other than yourself would react if War broke out tomorrow.

With regards to the BIB, that's fair enough for you but other people don't think that way

Fox hunting is disgusting but i find most peoples problem is not the cruelty to the fox but more for the hatred for those on horseback.

Nope, my problem is definitely 100% to do with the fox

[Niamh.]

Although Parmnion I did just see this pop up on FB and they do have a valid point as well. If it were a gang of lads from a council estate setting their Staffies on a stray cat or even a Fox they would be (rightly) called scumbags, I see no difference between the two scenarios

https://scontent-frx5-1.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/18403042_597263027064721_1172719414649458514_n.jpg ?oh=e208c19812e1e749b45a23c9dc3200de&oe=5983711C

[Livia]

Although Parmnion I did just see this pop up on FB and they do have a valid point as well. If it were a gang of lads from a council estate setting their Staffies on a stray cat or even a Fox they would be (rightly) called scumbags, I see no difference between the two scenarios

https://scontent-frx5-1.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/18403042_597263027064721_1172719414649458514_n.jpg ?oh=e208c19812e1e749b45a23c9dc3200de&oe=5983711C

I hardly ever find myself agreeing with Ricky Gervais... but that's hit the nail right on the head.

[Alf]

Although Parmnion I did just see this pop up on FB and they do have a valid point as well. If it were a gang of lads from a council estate setting their Staffies on a stray cat or even a Fox they would be (rightly) called scumbags, I see no difference between the two scenarios

https://scontent-frx5-1.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/18403042_597263027064721_1172719414649458514_n.jpg ?oh=e208c19812e1e749b45a23c9dc3200de&oe=5983711CYes that's a valid point.

So how about if they want to go fox hunting, they must pay a penalty (A huge sum) pay to play?

That's a compromise.

[Niamh.]

Yes that's a valid point.

So how about if they want to go fox hunting, they must pay a penalty (A huge sum) pay to play?

That's a compromise.

How is that a compromise? People are against it because of the cruelty to the animals, getting money for it doesn't solve that

[Alf]

How is that a compromise? People are against it because of the cruelty to the animals, getting money for it doesn't solve thatI'm just shooting ideas here Niamh. I want peace.

[DemolitionRed]

This is part of toff culture, shouldn't we respect it?

#Toffphobia

Bull fighting is part of the Spanish culture but not all cultures are good.

[Alf]

Bull fighting is part of the Spanish culture but not all cultures are good.Agree with that, that's why I was being sarcastic.

[Kizzy]

I sometimes feel may is the huntmaster and 95% of the population are foxes.

[Niamh.]

I'm just shooting ideas here Niamh. I want peace.

As long as you're not shooting Foxes Alf :nono:

[Alf]

As long as you're not shooting Foxes Alf :nono:I only kill fly's, dirty little things that trespass in your home.

The spiders are welcome.

[Niamh.]

I only kill fly's, dirty little things that trespass in your home.

The spiders are welcome.

https://media.giphy.com/media/wmsjvA5UH8Xqo/giphy.gif

[DemolitionRed]

A lot of city people aren't aware of the sister of fox hunting called 'cubbing'. Cubbing is for young or new riders, horses and hounds and will happen in the autumn if May gets her wish. It involves litters of fox cubs contained within coverts. Ever heard of canned hunting? this is what cubbing is and its so unbelievably barbaric that we can never allow this to come back.

I used to run a livery yard and the hunts were a nightmare because they didn't need permission to encroach on my land. We had to sedate the horses and keep them in because there was a high chance of them injuring themselves if a hunt got close. Farmers generally hate the hunt and see them as disruptive and damaging to both land and property.

Fox's can be a problem to new born lambs and calf's. Not so much to chickens because nowadays we have adequate deterrents . I used to keep chickens on the farm and never lost one to a fox.

I love hunting btw but what I do is drag hunt. A sport which is fast, furious, exciting and does not involve the killing of an animal. I've never been fox hunting and I'm told that compared to drag hunting, its pretty slow and boring.

[Niamh.]

A lot of city people aren't aware of the sister of fox hunting called 'cubbing'. Cubbing is for young or new riders, horses and hounds and will happen in the autumn if May gets her wish. It involves litters of fox cubs contained within coverts. Ever heard of canned hunting? this is what cubbing is and its so unbelievably barbaric that we can never allow this to come back.

I used to run a livery yard and the hunts were a nightmare because they didn't need permission to encroach on my land. We had to sedate the horses and keep them in because there was a high chance of them injuring themselves if a hunt got close. Farmers generally hate the hunt and see them as disruptive and damaging to both land and property.

Fox's can be a problem to new born lambs and calf's. Not so much to chickens because nowadays we have adequate deterrents . I used to keep chickens on the farm and never lost one to a fox.

I love hunting btw but what I do is drag hunt. A sport which is fast, furious, exciting and does not involve the killing of an animal. I've never been fox hunting and I'm told that compared to drag hunting, its pretty slow and boring.

What does that involve DR?

[ebandit]

...it's true i dislike fox hunters 'cos they're 'upper class twits'

...land owners who think they have right to tally ho over others gardens etc

..whilst denying others access to their land

Mark L

[Cherie]

...it's true i dislike fox hunters 'cos they're 'upper class twits'

...land owners who think they have right to tally ho over others gardens etc

..whilst denying others access to their land

Mark L

:laugh: made me laugh do they still say tally ho

[Tom4784]

I've used this analogy before

If war were to break out tomorrow, you wouldn't even think like this, your only thought would be for your own survival.

We're all selfish, it's just what us humans are.

The fact it doesn't make any difference to my life, means that it's not an issue that I'd be considering, when placing my vote.

'What's the point of anything, war might break out tomorrow.' is basically what you are saying.

It's a silly argument to make especially considering that a war wouldn't change the lives of the average citizen anymore and hasn't done so for decades.

Life would carry on because the way wars are fought now are completely different to how they were fought in WW2.

[smudgie]

A lot of city people aren't aware of the sister of fox hunting called 'cubbing'. Cubbing is for young or new riders, horses and hounds and will happen in the autumn if May gets her wish. It involves litters of fox cubs contained within coverts. Ever heard of canned hunting? this is what cubbing is and its so unbelievably barbaric that we can never allow this to come back.

I used to run a livery yard and the hunts were a nightmare because they didn't need permission to encroach on my land. We had to sedate the horses and keep them in because there was a high chance of them injuring themselves if a hunt got close. Farmers generally hate the hunt and see them as disruptive and damaging to both land and property.

Fox's can be a problem to new born lambs and calf's. Not so much to chickens because nowadays we have adequate deterrents . I used to keep chickens on the farm and never lost one to a fox.

I love hunting btw but what I do is drag hunt. A sport which is fast, furious, exciting and does not involve the killing of an animal. I've never been fox hunting and I'm told that compared to drag hunting, its pretty slow and boring.

Drag hunting is the way forward, the Hunt should be happy, foxes happy.
Nothing wrong in shooting the fox humanely if it becomes a pest I suppose.
Unfortunately I don't think drag hunting quenches the bloodlust in some and they still break the law.
Perhaps a vote to put it all to bed once and for all will show people it is never going to happen and they can adjust their thought patterns, if not then heavy fines or jail might do the trick.
As to the actual vote, people need to make sure their MP is fully aware that they find it unacceptable and will oust them at the next opportunity if they don't take heed.

[Alf]

Pest control often use dogs, should that be stopped?

They kill rabbits, hares and foxes.

[DemolitionRed]

What does that involve DR?

The course is set out and the jumps have to pass safety measures, so horses are less likely to get hurt. A scent is put down which the hounds follow, followed by the horses. Its between 8 to 10 miles in length and because its so safe, its fast and exciting for both the horse and riders.

The thing about fox hunting is, there are many riders who live in the city and keep a horse or two on a hunting yard. They are often poor riders with very expensive warmbloods, being cared for in expensive equestrian yards (though you do get some seriously good riders too.) I used to work for a barrister who kept two hunting mares over in Suffolk. I went over to ride out with him one weekend and it was funny riding beside a man who neither had a clue about horses or how to ride them and yet this is a man who regularly hunted and jumped five bar gates! It was clearly a case of 'hang on and hope for the best'.

[DemolitionRed]

Drag hunting is the way forward, the Hunt should be happy, foxes happy.
Nothing wrong in shooting the fox humanely if it becomes a pest I suppose.
Unfortunately I don't think drag hunting quenches the bloodlust in some and they still break the law.
Perhaps a vote to put it all to bed once and for all will show people it is never going to happen and they can adjust their thought patterns, if not then heavy fines or jail might do the trick.
As to the actual vote, people need to make sure their MP is fully aware that they find it unacceptable and will oust them at the next opportunity if they don't take heed.

I agree and you are right about fox hunters being blood thirsty as well as not caring so much about their horse becoming a casualty. I haven't really kept up with things but at one time you needed to fox hunt to qualify for point-to-point... another barbaric sport which has far too many horse casualties.

[Kazanne]

Although Parmnion I did just see this pop up on FB and they do have a valid point as well. If it were a gang of lads from a council estate setting their Staffies on a stray cat or even a Fox they would be (rightly) called scumbags, I see no difference between the two scenarios

https://scontent-frx5-1.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/18403042_597263027064721_1172719414649458514_n.jpg ?oh=e208c19812e1e749b45a23c9dc3200de&oe=5983711C

Ricky Gervais is always on FB supporting animals he is a great animal lover and this here is perfect,he is so right.

[ebandit]

Pest control often use dogs, should that be stopped?

They kill rabbits, hares and foxes.

do they? that would be 'hunting with dogs' and illegal under current

legislation

MarkL

[Alf]

do they? that would be 'hunting with dogs' and illegal under current

legislation

MarkLPretty sure they use guns too. Or I may have been watching too much Saxondale.

[Northern Monkey]

What does that involve DR?

I think it's chasing transvestites through the woods....


Maybe?

[DemolitionRed]

I think it's chasing transvestites through the woods....


Maybe?

Or it could be dominant women on horseback chasing naked male slaves :hehe:

[Livia]

But by nature, dogs love hunting. Should we take that away from them?

Foxhounds are bred for it. They're not pets. They have only one function and that's to chase and kill a wild animal. And it's not just foxes... stag hunting is equally as abhorrent in my opinion.

DR mentioned drag hunting. I am completely in favour of that.

[Kizzy]

There is an ex hunt rescue that re-homes foxhounds, that suggests they make ok pets doesn't it?

[Niamh.]

There is an ex hunt rescue that re-homes foxhounds, that suggests they make ok pets doesn't it?
I would imagine they'd have to placed carefully though if they lived with a pack in kennels. They wouldnt have been sovialised like tbe average dog

[Kazanne]

Foxhounds are bred for it. They're not pets. They have only one function and that's to chase and kill a wild animal. And it's not just foxes... stag hunting is equally as abhorrent in my opinion.

DR mentioned drag hunting. I am completely in favour of that.

Yes and when they have outlived their usefulness they are shot or worse, it's cruel to all the animals involved in this so called entertainment , horse , dogs and foxes.It's the same for some greyhounds aswell.

[DemolitionRed]

Fox hounds are used in drag hunting and because they follow a strong scent, they rarely veer off course.

They can make good pets. I know a guy who rescued one and that dogs fitted in fine.

[DemolitionRed]

Yes and when they have outlived their usefulness they are shot or worse, it's cruel to all the animals involved in this so called entertainment , horse , dogs and foxes.It's the same for some greyhounds aswell.

Your right about that. I spent my teenage years living very close to Guy Reed, the race horse owner who also ran his own hunt. We were quite friendly with his game keeper who told us that it wasn't unusual for the kennel master so shoot a dog. Sometimes, if a dog fails to catch a fox on a hunt, it will stray and go missing, sometimes for days. It won't return until it catches something like a rabbit and then it will trot proudly home. That dog gets shot before its half way up the driveway. :fist:

[thesheriff443]

Small group of anti fox hunt protesters today in maidenhead town centre, Teresa mays constituency

[joeysteele]

Small group of anti fox hunt protesters today in maidenhead town centre, Teresa mays constituency

She won't care one jot, she is likely even to hold votes from people usually against this barbarism.
So why should she concern herself with a few protesters.

After all she called this election because she was irritated with any opposition to brexit.
Foxes have no chance,she sees them as vermin with no right to life even in the countryside.

[jaxie]

Cats,domestic ones,go around killing birds and not eating them,leaving blood strewn feathers all over the place.
Ruining people's flowerbeds etc:
Should people go hunting cats with packs of dogs.

Absolutely not.

[joeysteele]

Absolutely not.

I agree..

[Brillopad]

Thought I'd post seeing as this was being discussed yesterday. Looks like Joey's been proven right (as usual)...took less than 24 hours! :hehe:

Clip here:

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/theresa-may-fox-hunting-bring-back-ban-repeal-conservative-tories-general-election-rural-vote-a7726506.html

And here's a few other right-wing sources to stop the inevitable 'oh, that lefty paper would say that!'. Keeps everyone happy :)

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-4487464/Secret-Tory-plot-repeal-fox-hunting-ban-13-years.html

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2017/05/09/theresa-may-pledges-lift-dropping-fox-hunting-pledge-conservative/

https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/3520507/theresa-may-pledges-to-hold-a-free-vote-to-repeal-the-fox-hunting-ban-if-she-wins-the-general-election/

And you assume most tories are FOR hunting. I would disagree as most tories are not upper-class toffs. You are living in the past.

[Beso]

They should televise it.

[Kazanne]

And you assume most tories are FOR hunting. I would disagree as most tories are not upper-class toffs. You are living in the past.

This is true, plus people from ALL the parties partake in the 'sport' and none of the other leaders of the parties are poor either,people who think Tories are all rich are deluded,they are no different than any other party running,yes they like to reward those who work hard (nothing wrong with that) rather that than encouraging people to not bother. maybe people should show the same passion for the likes of the Liberal Democrat leader who is against abortion,taking away a womans right.

[joeysteele]

PThis is true, plus people from ALL the parties partake in the 'sport' and none of the other leaders of the parties are poor either,people who think Tories are all rich are deluded,they are no different than any other party running,yes they like to reward those who work hard (nothing wrong with that) rather that than encouraging people to not bother. maybe people should show the same passion for the likes of the Liberal Democrat leader who is against abortion,taking away a womans right.

Kazanne,if this was Labour or Lib Dems or even UKIP proposing any kind of vote on this to be legalised,you would be ripping into them big-time.
Oddly enough so would I but I would never give my vote to anyone,advocating this,not a chance.

Because to me how others think about and treat animals,(which whatever the reasons of the human race, I see humans as should be the guardians of animal welfare),reveals to me their likely thinking, not only to animals but anything or anyone seen to be weaker than them.

This is the Conservative party proposing this vote,Labour had to get a massive majority to be able to ensure,again in a freevote getting foxhunting banned,in order to see off Conservative opposition to any ban.

You can justify the Cons all you like and find excuses to exonerate her and her Party who support this barbarism.
You go ahead and believe this would be voted down,Cons after a.good election,support their leader.
She and her Party overall want a vote on this,she strongly supports it.
You delude yourself that even in a freevote,Con MPs will not give her what she wants.
I am not deluded what will be the outcome,she will get it legalised for that powerful hunt lobby that supports her and the Con party,who also donate to the Cons too.

How would foxes vote on this if they could,would they trust anyone or Party who had never ever held a vote to ban it in the past,who thought it a bad idea anyway to ban it a few years ago.
I am sure I know the answer and they would not be voting for or trusting Mrs May and her followers to champion these hunts back.

Mrs May does not after this election,expect now to on anything lose any votes in Parliament that 'she' supports.
She will win this vote and once you have helped elect her with a greater majority,and she gets the win to legalise this again, you cannot then complain about it or change that you helped her do it.
I'm personally glad that is something I will never take the slightest risk on for sure.

There's not a scrap of decency in anyone that wants to use her power to even just think of bringing foxhunting back never mind hold a vote to do so too.
A vote,since she hates losing anything,she would not even be proposing if she felt there was any chance she'd lose it.
She knows she won't,I am 100% sure.she won't lose either,not with a greatly increased Conservative majority of MPs.

You carry on finding excuses for her, to me she is no better than the truly cruel and awful people who organise and ride out in these barbaric cruel hunts.
Shows her heartless mind as to her thinking for me.

I really have no connection or understanding towards anyone who supports this horrible activity.
I can't grasp why any animal lover would want to even risk in any way this coming back.
You have really surprised me on this Kazanne.
I'm quite stunned.

[Brillopad]

Kazanne,if this was Labour or Lib Dems or even UKIP proposing any kind of vote on this to be legalised,you would be ripping into them big-time.
Oddly enough so would I but I would never give my vote to anyone,advocating this,not a chance.

Because to me how others think about and treat animals,(which whatever the reasons of the human race, I see humans as should be the guardians of animal welfare),reveals to me their likely thinking, not only to animals but anything or anyone seen to be weaker than them.

This is the Conservative party proposing this vote,Labour had to get a massive majority to be able to ensure,again in a freevote getting foxhunting banned,in order to see off Conservative opposition to any ban.

You can justify the Cons all you like and find excuses to exonerate her and her Party who support this barbarism.
You go ahead and believe this would be voted down,Cons after a.good election,support their leader.
She and her Party overall want a vote on this,she strongly supports it.
You delude yourself that even in a freevote,Con MPs will not give her what she wants.
I am not deluded what will be the outcome,she will get it legalised for that powerful hunt lobby that supports her and the Con party,who also donate to the Cons too.

How would foxes vote on this if they could,would they trust anyone or Party who had never ever held a vote to ban it in the past,who thought it a bad idea anyway to ban it a few years ago.
I am sure I know the answer and they would not be voting for or trusting Mrs May and her followers to champion these hunts back.

Mrs May does not after this election,expect now to on anything lose any votes in Parliament that 'she' supports.
She will win this vote and once you have helped elect her with a greater majority,and she gets the win to legalise this again, you cannot then complain about it or change that you helped her do it.
I'm personally glad that is something I will never take the slightest risk on for sure.

There's not a scrap of decency in anyone that wants to use her power to even just think of bringing foxhunting back never mind hold a vote to do so too.
A vote,since she hates losing anything,she would not even be proposing if she felt there was any chance she'd lose it.
She knows she won't,I am 100% sure.she won't lose either,not with a greatly increased Conservative majority of MPs.

You carry on finding excuses for her, to me she is no better than the truly cruel and awful people who organise and ride out in these barbaric cruel hunts.
Shows her heartless mind as to her thinking for me.

It is very rare for people to agree with everything a political party proposes or believes - people usually vote on the principles they support overall. I personally don't support fox hunting, I even wrote an essay against it in my English exam many years ago. I hate it. But I believe you cannot vote against a party you believe would be best for the future of billions of people based on one issue.

I also have faith in human decency and that most would be against such a barbaric sport in this day and age. You cannot let emotions cloud your judgement in the bigger scheme of things.

If it were to be brought back we would have to give her a hard time about it and campaign our socks off and make sure she realised the possibly of a second-term for her could seriously be in doubt if she didn't ban it.

[Kizzy]

It aids in getting the measure of a party by what they choose to champion, why on earth would the tories throw their support behind such a 'sport' with a tiny minority of supporters? Because that is their target market, the elite, the 5%

[user104658]

How would foxes vote on this if they could

Well... they're British foxes so if the past few years have taught us anything, it's that they would vote heavily in favour of the hunt, clap and cheer about everything hunt related, watch other foxes being ripped to shreds and sigh and say - "Well he should have run faster then!"


If it were to be brought back we would have to give her a hard time about it and campaign our socks off and make sure she realised the possibly of a second-term for her could seriously be in doubt if she didn't ban it.

Are you saying we should protest? You're nothing but a Foxmoaner! Disrespecting democracy!

Crush the saboteur!

[joeysteele]

Well... they're British foxes so if the past few years have taught us anything, it's that they would vote heavily in favour of the hunt, clap and cheer about everything hunt related, watch other foxes being ripped to shreds and sigh and say - "Well he should have run faster then!"



Are you saying we should protest? You're nothing but a Foxmoaner! Disrespecting democracy!

Crush the saboteur!


Really strong points,sad as well.

Protesting after the Cons are given the chance to legalise this again and they subsequently then do as I strongly predict.
That will result in nothing, it will be back,legalised and the Cons would never hold a vote on this again.

Labour or no other party for that matter are likely to ever get the large majority needed to overturn it again,to be able to again defeat Con support for foxhunting with hounds.

If anyone really hates this,what many Cons and May would even call sport,and then votes to give her the chance to hold this vote at all.
Their crocodile tears when the vote is won,as it will be,will be meaningless.
They will have helped support it coming back and cannot say they weren't adequately warned that it will be legalised,by their Conservative govt again.

[DemolitionRed]

Her campaign strategy is so risky that I suspect she might not want to win the election.

[Kazanne]

P

Kazanne,if this was Labour or Lib Dems or even UKIP proposing any kind of vote on this to be legalised,you would be ripping into them big-time.
Oddly enough so would I but I would never give my vote to anyone,advocating this,not a chance.

Because to me how others think about and treat animals,(which whatever the reasons of the human race, I see humans as should be the guardians of animal welfare),reveals to me their likely thinking, not only to animals but anything or anyone seen to be weaker than them.

This is the Conservative party proposing this vote,Labour had to get a massive majority to be able to ensure,again in a freevote getting foxhunting banned,in order to see off Conservative opposition to any ban.

You can justify the Cons all you like and find excuses to exonerate her and her Party who support this barbarism.
You go ahead and believe this would be voted down,Cons after a.good election,support their leader.
She and her Party overall want a vote on this,she strongly supports it.
You delude yourself that even in a freevote,Con MPs will not give her what she wants.
I am not deluded what will be the outcome,she will get it legalised for that powerful hunt lobby that supports her and the Con party,who also donate to the Cons too.

How would foxes vote on this if they could,would they trust anyone or Party who had never ever held a vote to ban it in the past,who thought it a bad idea anyway to ban it a few years ago.
I am sure I know the answer and they would not be voting for or trusting Mrs May and her followers to champion these hunts back.

Mrs May does not after this election,expect now to on anything lose any votes in Parliament that 'she' supports.
She will win this vote and once you have helped elect her with a greater majority,and she gets the win to legalise this again, you cannot then complain about it or change that you helped her do it.
I'm personally glad that is something I will never take the slightest risk on for sure.

There's not a scrap of decency in anyone that wants to use her power to even just think of bringing foxhunting back never mind hold a vote to do so too.
A vote,since she hates losing anything,she would not even be proposing if she felt there was any chance she'd lose it.
She knows she won't,I am 100% sure.she won't lose either,not with a greatly increased Conservative majority of MPs.

You carry on finding excuses for her, to me she is no better than the truly cruel and awful people who organise and ride out in these barbaric cruel hunts.
Shows her heartless mind as to her thinking for me.

I really have no connection or understanding towards anyone who supports this horrible activity.
I can't grasp why any animal lover would want to even risk in any way this coming back.
You have really surprised me on this Kazanne.
I'm quite stunned.

You have nothing to be stunned about Joey ,I have said several times that I will not be voting for her should this barbaric sport be brought back,why would I ? I adore animals,I maybe worded my post wrong,I was just pointing out that it is not just Tories who partake in this 'sport' it is people from all walks of life,yes labour toffs aswell,I have never ever said I supported it and never will.Plus although it is illegal,people are STILL doing it and stupid people go and watch.Where are the police when it is being carried out? Labour may have banned it,but they havent really made sure the people that partake still,are brought to book.Fox hunts still take place,always have,so without proper fines and policing it was a pointless law anyway.send them to prison for a stint,they might get the message then.

[Brillopad]

You have nothing to be stunned about Joey ,I have said several times that I will not be voting for her should this barbaric sport be brought back,why would I ? I adore animals,I maybe worded my post wrong,I was just pointing out that it is not just Tories who partake in this 'sport' it is people from all walks of life,yes labour toffs aswell,I have never ever said I supported it and never will.

I came across a rather big fox one evening fairly recently that had been run over by a car and couldn't move its rear end. It was horrible as it had managed to fall off the path and into the road with cars and buses coming directly at it.

A group of us stood there waving at the traffic to go around it as it was still Alive and conscious at that point. After a while a car did run over its rail at one point but there was no response from the fox'. Sadly, but for the best, it had died. At least it wasn't its fate to suffer the same experience again. I will never forget it - my eyes well up every time I think about it.

[Cherie]

I came across a rather big fox one evening fairly recently that had been run over by a car and couldn't move its rear end. It was horrible as it had managed to fall off the path and into the road with cars and buses coming directly at it.

A group of us stood there waving at the traffic to go around it as it was still Alive and conscious at that point. After a while a car did run over its rail at one point but there was no response from the fox'. Sadly, but for the best, it had died. At least it wasn't its fate to suffer the same experience again. I will never forget it - my eyes well up every time I think about it.

:sad:

I used to have a fox who would sit outside my front door of an evening waiting for scraps, she just disappeared one evening I expect something like this happened her, although she was quite old as well

[Withano]

I live next to a small wood that must be home to at least 10 foxes, several badgers as well. I often walk past them if I'm home late, they're completely misunderstood creatures

Its the Conservative party, at this point they can probably announce the first annual purge for the summer and people will still be like "hmm yeh but Corbyn isn't really a leader"

[DemolitionRed]

You have nothing to be stunned about Joey ,I have said several times that I will not be voting for her should this barbaric sport be brought back,why would I ? I adore animals,I maybe worded my post wrong,I was just pointing out that it is not just Tories who partake in this 'sport' it is people from all walks of life,yes labour toffs aswell,I have never ever said I supported it and never will.Plus although it is illegal,people are STILL doing it and stupid people go and watch.Where are the police when it is being carried out? Labour may have banned it,but they havent really made sure the people that partake still,are brought to book.Fox hunts still take place,always have,so without proper fines and policing it was a pointless law anyway.send them to prison for a stint,they might get the message then.

Fox hunting will not be made legal until the Tory government win this election... not before.

I agree about people from all walks of life, regardless of their political thinking, enjoying fox hunting.

There are still activists keeping a very close eye on legal fox hunters and insuring they don't do anything illegal but those who go out lamping, "illegal fox hunters", they are no different to illegal poachers.

When you say, Labour banned it but aren't keeping a proper eye on the enforcement, Labour are not the party in power. The only top down (on things like illegal fox hunting) we presently have is the Conservative government.

[Brillopad]

:sad:

I used to have a fox who would sit outside my front door of an evening waiting for scraps, she just disappeared one evening I expect something like this happened her, although she was quite old as well

The not knowing is awful. You can't help think the worse.

It's one reason why I won't get a cat, much as I like them, I couldn't handle it disappearing and never knowing what had happened to it which I understand is not uncommon.

[joeysteele]

You have nothing to be stunned about Joey ,I have said several times that I will not be voting for her should this barbaric sport be brought back,why would I ? I adore animals,I maybe worded my post wrong,I was just pointing out that it is not just Tories who partake in this 'sport' it is people from all walks of life,yes labour toffs aswell,I have never ever said I supported it and never will.Plus although it is illegal,people are STILL doing it and stupid people go and watch.Where are the police when it is being carried out? Labour may have banned it,but they havent really made sure the people that partake still,are brought to book.Fox hunts still take place,always have,so without proper fines and policing it was a pointless law anyway.send them to prison for a stint,they might get the message then.

How can Labour make sure the law is upheld,they brought the ban in around 2005.
They have not been the govt.for the last 7 years,why have your Cons not made the Police enforce this.
I'll tell you why,because the Cons are in principle against the ban,so will not make sure it's enforced.
Hence now bringing it back.

Perhaps had Labour won in 2010 or 2015 and when it was clear these hunt organisers could get away with illegally flouting the ban,then Labour could be asked why they were able to get away with that.

People who love animals should be grateful Labour brought the ban in,in the first place.
Rather than not get at the Con led govts of the last 7 years,who have let their supporters/friends/donaters in these hunts get-away with breaking the law.

They won't be breaking any law once she holds this vote and it's legalised again.
Why does only the Con party advocate legalising this again.
That's the question people would be better asking.

[user104658]

If the foxes weren't so feckless and lazy the hounds wouldn't be able to catch them and they would have nothing to worry about :idc:

[Kazanne]

I came across a rather big fox one evening fairly recently that had been run over by a car and couldn't move its rear end. It was horrible as it had managed to fall off the path and into the road with cars and buses coming directly at it.

A group of us stood there waving at the traffic to go around it as it was still Alive and conscious at that point. After a while a car did run over its rail at one point but there was no response from the fox'. Sadly, but for the best, it had died. At least it wasn't its fate to suffer the same experience again. I will never forget it - my eyes well up every time I think about it.

Beautiful animals Brillo,that is a sad story:bawling:I don't think many condone fox hunting tbh.

[Kazanne]

How can Labour make sure the law is upheld,they brought the ban in around 2005.
They have not been the govt.for the last 7 years,why have your Cons not made the Police enforce this.
I'll tell you why,because the Cons are in principle against the ban,so will not make sure it's enforced.
Hence now bringing it back.

Perhaps had Labour won in 2010 or 2015 and when it was clear these hunt organisers could get away with illegally flouting the ban,then Labour could be asked why they were able to get away with that.

People who love animals should be grateful Labour brought the ban in,in the first place.
Rather than not get at the Con led govts of the last 7 years,who have let their supporters/friends/donaters in these hunts get-away with breaking the law.

They won't be breaking any law once she holds this vote and it's legalised again.
Why does only the Con party advocate legalising this again.
That's the question people would be better asking.

Labour banned it so should have enforced it more,it should have been slammed down on as soon as the 'toffs' started to flout the law. I agree any government that were in power after then should also have enforced it,so to me,Labour did so well banning it,but let us all down again by not enforcing it,We know Conservatives failed to do so,but Labour kinda failed too,even if Labour get in again,they wont bother too much with this law,it will still go on.

[joeysteele]

Labour banned it so should have enforced it more,it should have been slammed down on as soon as the 'toffs' started to flout the law. I agree any government that were in power after then should also have enforced it,so to me,Labour did so well banning it,but let us all down again by not enforcing it,We know Conservatives failed to do so,but Labour kinda failed too,even if Labour get in again,they wont bother too much with this law,it will still go on.

Unbelievable,Labour bring the ban in but should have dealt with people who would break the law.
So it's their fault these jumped up sick huntspeople don't respect laws.

Labour were bothered enough to ban it in the first place despite Conservative opposition to a ban.

You let the Cons off again, this is one area of lawbreaking the Conservatives are not bothered about.
The ban has been in place around 12 years,the Cons have been in govt.for over 7 of those years,and allowed the law to be broken.
Not the Labour party or any other party.

Now these want to legalise it again and you will get at Labour and find ways to excuse the Cons who have not pursued their 'friends' breaking this law.
How on earth do you know Labour would not have tightened this law up had they stayed in power,after getting reports of repeated lawbreaking as to it.

Now the Cons again show their true colours on this and will vote to bring it back.
Yet this is Labour's fault.
For crying out loud.
Really I give up.I really do.
Unbelievable.

[AnnieK]

All parties are guilty of turning a blind eye to this but the Conservatives are responsible for the last 7 years that illegal hunting has going on, Labour for the previous 5 years (although I don't know enough about the issue to say how much still went on during the initial years just after the ban). It is a highly emotive issue and had the voting been closer this certainly could have been a vote loser for the Tories. Its not going to have that much of an impact in this election though sadly and so if Mrs May wants the vote offered, it looks like she would get a free reign to do so.

[DemolitionRed]

What ever way you look at it, you can't blame Labour for this!

Blair banned fox hunting
Cameron tried to re-instate fox hunting
May is now following in Cameron's shoes

The reason illegal hunters rarely find themselves in the dock is because the leaders of the Conservative government think its a waste of tax payers money.

[Jack_]

And you assume most tories are FOR hunting. I would disagree as most tories are not upper-class toffs. You are living in the past.

This is true, plus people from ALL the parties partake in the 'sport' and none of the other leaders of the parties are poor either,people who think Tories are all rich are deluded,they are no different than any other party running,yes they like to reward those who work hard (nothing wrong with that) rather that than encouraging people to not bother. maybe people should show the same passion for the likes of the Liberal Democrat leader who is against abortion,taking away a womans right.

Sorry, at what point in my OP did I make any assumptions either about who partakes in fox hunting, or what the socio-economic status of Tory voters is? I have made two posts in this thread and neither made any such comment or assumption, I merely posted the sources and let the debate begin. Honestly, does anyone on this forum actually read posts before they respond to them?

[Cherie]

If the foxes weren't so feckless and lazy the hounds wouldn't be able to catch them and they would have nothing to worry about :idc:

:joker: you will find its the hard working fox gets caught, too knackered to run, while the Jeremy Kyle watching foxes are nice and fresh :nono:

[Kazanne]

Unbelievable,Labour bring the ban in but should have dealt with people who would break the law.
So it's their fault these jumped up sick huntspeople don't respect laws.

Labour were bothered enough to ban it in the first place despite Conservative opposition to a ban.

You let the Cons off again, this is one area of lawbreaking the Conservatives are not bothered about.
The ban has been in place around 12 years,the Cons have been in govt.for over 7 of those years,and allowed the law to be broken.
Not the Labour party or any other party.

Now these want to legalise it again and you will get at Labour and find ways to excuse the Cons who have not pursued their 'friends' breaking this law.
How on earth do you know Labour would not have tightened this law up had they stayed in power,after getting reports of repeated lawbreaking as to it.

Now the Cons again show their true colours on this and will vote to bring it back.
Yet this is Labour's fault.
For crying out loud.
Really I give up.I really do.
Unbelievable.

I meant Joey that those three years labour were still in power,fox hunting was still going on,there was no punishments as such, IF they had enforced it better maybe by the time the Tories got in people may have thought twice about doing it,I am not letting the Tories off the hook,they failed too,I just think while labour banned it and were still in power they still let people break the law.they had 3 years to follow it up,they failed,so have left the field open for the vote to bring it back,that is all,I am trying to say .You bring a law in,you damn well make sure that law is respected and adhered to otherwise no one will take it seriously,it shouldn't be up for debate,it is abhorrent,but so are a lot of things humans call entertainment which all includes cruelty to animals.that's the human race for you.

[joeysteele]

I meant Joey that those three years labour were still in power,fox hunting was still going on,there was no punishments as such, IF they had enforced it better maybe by the time the Tories got in people may have thought twice about doing it,I am not letting the Tories off the hook,they failed too,I just think while labour banned it and were still in power they still let people break the law.they had 3 years to follow it up,they failed,so have left the field open for the vote to bring it back,that is all,I am trying to say .You bring a law in,you damn well make sure that law is respected and adhered to otherwise no one will take it seriously,it shouldn't be up for debate,it is abhorrent,but so are a lot of things humans call entertainment which all includes cruelty to animals.that's the human race for you.


You bring in a law and expect people to act according to the law.
Yet the hunt organisers started to find ways to act illegally.

I would doubt a large number of illegal hunts took place in the early years actually.

There's a law in place,that should be abided by if the hunt supporters break the law,they should be prosecuted.

That they are not,is a reflection on the Police and govt too.
I repeat, this was made law in 2005.rolled out thereafter.
The last 7 years has the Party that was against banning it in power and them in that 7 years not doing a thing to ensure prosecution of their hunting friends.

Since 2015, the Cons have been intent on making it legal again,it was there is the 2015 manifesto and will be there this time again.
They have never liked it banned in any shape or form.
Only.them,no other party.

If it is made legal again,they will be the only ones to do it and want it to be.
Everyone who votes for May's Con party this time will be helping them do it too.

That's fine if people aren't bothered either way but they cannot then shed tears for the animals that will be legally chased and hunted down by dogs again for good,when this passes the vote she will be putting to Parliament.
.... and I predict it will be passed with great ease too with lots more Con MPs.

[Kazanne]

You bring in a law and expect people to act according to the law.
Yet the hunt organisers started to find ways to act illegally.

I would doubt a large number of illegal hunts took place in the early years actually.

There's a law in place,that should be abided by if the hunt supporters break the law,they should be prosecuted.

That they are not,is a reflection on the Police and govt too.
I repeat, this was made law in 2005.rolled out thereafter.
The last 7 years has the Party that was against banning it in power and them in that 7 years not doing a thing to ensure prosecution of their hunting friends.

Since 2015, the Cons have been intent on making it legal again,it was there is the 2015 manifesto and will be there this time again.
They have never liked it banned in any shape or form.
Only.them,no other party.

If it is made legal again,they will be the only ones to do it and want it to be.
Everyone who votes for May's Con party this time will be helping them do it too.

That's fine if people aren't bothered either way but they cannot then shed tears for the animals that will be legally chased and hunted down by dogs again for good,when this passes the vote she will be putting to Parliament.
.... and I predict it will be passed with great ease too with lots more Con MPs.

But it maybe passed Joey with the votes of other party members too ,it's not just the Conservatives that partake ,but I will leave it here as I don't want to annoy you,but rest assured,I wont be voting for anyone if it goes to a negative vote.

[joeysteele]

I recall reading in 2004 that the vote to ban foxhunting had only 12 Labour MPs voting against and we'll over 300 supporting the ban.
The Cons had under 200 MPs at that time whereby only 6 supported the banning of foxhunting with 115 of Con MPs voting against banning it.
The vote being something like 320 for the ban and 145 against,of which 115 of those 145 being said Con MPs.

The Lords were obstructive and then speaker Michael Martin allowed the parliament act to get this made into law.

The Cons were against all through.

Now consider,under 200 Con MPs with 115 voting to keep foxhunting legal then.
Imagine likely nearer 400 of them after this election.

That does not bode well for the Fox at all and shows the Cons have always been the ones the most against making foxhunting illegal and the ones who have been and are,the ones who want it legalised again.

[joeysteele]

It is there in the Conservative manifesto,not a Mrs May's personal hope only,there as a Conservative manifesto commitment to hold a vote.

Anyone voting Conservative now opens up the risk of this being legalised again.
Which it will be,with no chance of it ever being banned again likely either.

Anyone who hates this barbaric hunting,the urgent warning is there for all to see.
It is going to a vote.
It will be legalised again.
Votng Conservative ensures its greater likelihood to be legalised.

No good complaining in 2022,once it has then been voted back by the vast majority of Con MPs.

[Amy Jade]

So I just heard that there is to be a 'free vote' to give the option to bring back fox hunting.

Would anyone seriously vote yes to this? it's barbaric and not a sport it's repulsive to hunt something until it is torn apart by a pack of dogs.

[UserSince2005]

im for it, foxes are pests and kill out chickens for fun.
evil creatures

[Cherie]

Thread here Amy

http://www.thisisbigbrother.com/forums/showthread.php?t=318798

[Amy Jade]

im for it, foxes are pests and kill out chickens for fun.
evil creatures

So shoot them. No need to chase them for hours and and have them ripped apart.

[arista]

http://www.thisisbigbrother.com/forums/showthread.php?t=318798

thread already

[UserSince2005]

http://www.thisisbigbrother.com/forums/showthread.php?t=318798

thread already

there is a comment on this already

[Denver]

Kill Basil 1st

[joeysteele]

Sadly Amy,yes people will support May and her Party on this by voting for her Party.
Even those claiming to detest this form of hunting are willing to take the risk of this coming back.

To me and I've had this view since a child who witnessed the end of a hunt while playing with friends which traumatised me, I not only detest this kind of hunting but also those who do it and those who support it and would legalise again them doing it too.

People who support this disgust me and it reveals a lot to me as the people they really are, with their sick cruel thinking too.

[Tozzie]

never in a million years could I be friends with someone who supported fox hunting, it's barbaric and I just cannot get my head around why anyone would get entertainment from killing animals of any kind. I'd love it if these vile people could come back as a hunted animal and let them get ripped apart too. Hunting of any kind is just wrong in my view. I could never be friends with anyone who supported this.

[joeysteele]

never in a million years could I be friends with someone who supported fox hunting, it's barbaric and I just cannot get my head around why anyone would get entertainment from killing animals of any kind. I'd love it if these vile people could come back as a hunted animal and let them get ripped apart too. Hunting of any kind is just wrong in my view. I could never be friends with anyone who supported this.


Me neither Tozzie.

[Alf]

there is a comment on this already:laugh:

[jaxie]

I can't see that vote being won in all honesty but if you feel strongly about it lobby your MP over it.

[joeysteele]

I can't see that vote being won in all honesty but if you feel strongly about it lobby your MP over it.

Of course it will be won,that is one of the reasons she wants a bigger majority.
MPs were lobbied in 2004 when Labour were holding a vote to ban this type of hunting.
The Cons had around 180 MPs then and 115 voted against it being banned and only 6 voted for the ban.

Imagine 370 to 400 Con MPs this time,freevote irrelevant,their leader putting forward a manifesto proposal.
This is the only Party that wants it back and they will vote in enough numbers to ensure it is legalised again.

The Cons never wanted it banned, they voted every vote comfortably against it being banned.
They will vote it back,no doubt in my mind,I would put all I had on that.
They have a leader determined to satisfy the hunting lobby and get it back.

People can delude themselves all they like,the Cons have never supported the ban and will with ease,if she gets a larger majority,vote to legalise this vile act again.

[Kazanne]

Of course it will be won,that is one of the reasons she wants a bigger majority.
MPs were lobbied in 2004 when Labour were holding a vote to ban this type of hunting.
The Cons had around 180 MPs then and 115 voted against it being banned and only 6 voted for the ban.

Imagine 370 to 400 Con MPs this time,freevote irrelevant,their leader putting forward a manifesto proposal.
This is the only Party that wants it back and they will vote in enough numbers to ensure it is legalised again.

The Cons never wanted it banned, they voted every vote comfortably against it being banned.
They will vote it back,no doubt in my mind,I would put all I had on that.
They have a leader determined to satisfy the hunting lobby and get it back.

People can delude themselves all they like,the Cons have never supported the ban and will with ease,if she gets a larger majority,vote to legalise this vile act again.

Do you think they should also ban halal meat too Joey that is also barbaric,If I had my way NO animals would be cruelly treated at all for food or sport.but what are your thoughts on that .If we get onto the barbaric way we treat animals it goes way further than foxhunting,it happens with hares,deers game birds,etc.i don't eat meat but I do not dislike those who do,but I do dislike any cruelty to animals.

[joeysteele]

Do you think they should also ban halal meat too Joey that is also barbaric,If I had my way NO animals would be cruelly treated at all for food or sport.but what are your thoughts on that .If we get onto the barbaric way we treat animals it goes way further than foxhunting,it happens with hares,deers game birds,etc.i don't eat meat but I do not dislike those who do,but I do dislike any cruelty to animals.

I would want to make sure no animal was slaughtered to comply with halal product.

I actually now myself do not eat meat anyways and have never knowingly eaten before any halal meat when I did eat meat.

This vote is to legalise foxhunting and I think it was Oscars Wilde who said foxhunting was the unspeakable in pursuit of the uneatable.

[Kazanne]

I would want to make sure no animal was slaughtered to comply with halal product.

I actually now myself do not eat meat anyways and have never knowingly eaten before any halal meat when I did eat meat.

This vote is to legalise foxhunting and I think it was Oscars Wilde who said foxhunting was the unspeakable in pursuit of the uneatable.

Yes it was Joey,I remember that saying well, I actually think you might be celebrating come the election,I think we could be in for a shock:hee:they better do a better job than last time, I really don't think I will be voting at all this time,it's all so depressing,no one is really standing out for me,I'm not sure May herself is bothered if she wins,LOL,enjoy it anyway I know you like the election nights.:wavey:

[Amy Jade]

Sadly Amy,yes people will support May and her Party on this by voting for her Party.
Even those claiming to detest this form of hunting are willing to take the risk of this coming back.

To me and I've had this view since a child who witnessed the end of a hunt while playing with friends which traumatised me, I not only detest this kind of hunting but also those who do it and those who support it and would legalise again them doing it too.

People who support this disgust me and it reveals a lot to me as the people they really are, with their sick cruel thinking too.

That is awful. I am sorry you had to see that. It would certainly be traumatic for anyone I think. It's just a horrible activity.

[joeysteele]

Yes it was Joey,I remember that saying well, I actually think you might be celebrating come the election,I think we could be in for a shock:hee:they better do a better job than last time, I really don't think I will be voting at all this time,it's all so depressing,no one is really standing out for me,I'm not sure May herself is bothered if she wins,LOL,enjoy it anyway I know you like the election nights.:wavey:


Well,maybe it's a bit if a cheek for me but I won't be living in the UK once Autumn comes.
I will be voting and I hope my vote is one of hopefully millions that helps deny this atrocious woman a much bigger majority.
One that clips her wings too as to her truly planned vile vote on foxhunting.

I fear the UK is moving backwards as to caring,decency and justice under this govt.
Stepping back to legalising foxhunting,which should have been consigned to history long before even 2005.
Well that just tops the lot as to a really bad change backwards even more as to the UK.

[joeysteele]

That is awful. I am sorry you had to see that. It would certainly be traumatic for anyone I think. It's just a horrible activity.

It never left me Amy, I was a child,it made me physically sick after seeing it.
I had nightmares a good while after and so have hated with a passion all involved with and supporting these truly sick hunts.

[Mystic Mock]

It never left me Amy, I was a child,it made me physically sick after seeing it.
I had nightmares a good while after and so have hated with a passion all involved with and supporting these truly sick hunts.

Tbf something like that will always stick out for you as imo it's a horrifying act, and is certainly going to upset a child.

[joeysteele]

Hi tTbf something like that will always stick out for you as imo it's a horrifying act, and is certainly going to upset a child.

Dead right Mock, further once this kind of hunting was banned in 2005, until I left the area 5 years later never saw or heard of hunts taking place.
So the ban appeared to be being enforced okay there.

We get a lot about law and order from the Cons, yet here in our parliamentary democracy, the law was passed to ban this.
Yet we get, hunts are still going on now, with no prosecutions.
Well who has presided over the UK in power for the last 7 years, and not raised a finger to have the law enforced.
The Conservative party who have been the only party against the ban on hunting with dogs.

Allowing their hunt friends to get away with breaking said law.
Any law once brought in,has to have penalties and it has to be seen how it works and is stuck to.

This govt. has strengthened penalties in other offences but never considered doing anything about organised hunts deliberately breaking a UK law.
All they want to do is make it legal again.

That for me, says all about them,this really sick minded PM and her govt.