New law will assume all Irish people are organ donors

[Niamh.]

Thoughts? Good or bad idea? I think it's great, I think most people would be happy to be donors just couldn't be bothered going to the trouble of registering as a donor. If you feel strongly against donating you can always opt out

https://buzz.ie/new-law-will-assume-all-irish-people-are-organ-donors/
A new Irish organ donor law has been proposed that will presume everyone is an organ donor in the event of their death.

The “opt out” system is designed to increase organ donation.

Minister for Health will take the plan to Cabinet and if passed it’s hoped the law could be in place before the end of the year.

According to the Irish Times, the Human Tissue Bill will put a system of “presumed consent” in place to replace the current law which requires organ donors to opt-in if they wish to make their organs available for transplantation following their death.

[Denver]

What if they are a Jehovah's witness?

[Niamh.]

What if they are a Jehovah's witness?

Then I assume they would opt out?

[Denver]

What if they didnt do it in time

[Niamh.]

What if they didnt do it in time

That would be tough luck

[Northern Monkey]

Bad idea in Ireland

[Niamh.]

Bad idea in Ireland

Why?

[Northern Monkey]

Why?

All those Guiness pickled livers


:joker:

[Niamh.]

All those Guiness pickled livers


:joker:

:nono:


But I was looking at a survey done last year asking Do you plan on Donating your organs and 80% answered yes and only 8% said no (the rest said I don't know) So it's seems logical to have an opt out system in place

[UserSince2005]

Id donate my organs to a private hospital, but not an nhs hospital, god knows what they do with them, ive heard some horror stories.

[Tom4784]

It's a great idea and I think it should be the norm world wide. Waiting lists would evaporate if there's thousands of organs made available every day.

[Denver]

What about the young?

[Niamh.]

What about the young?

The answer will be the same to all you questions :laugh: Presumably it would be up to their parents to opt them out if they're under age

[Denver]

I dont think people want to bury their child all slice open and empty

[Niamh.]

I dont think people want to bury their child all slice open and empty

They could opt them out then? But I'm sure if a child dies unexpectedly, the parents would be able to opt them out after they'd died as they are legal guardians and the Doctors aren't going to run off with their body before they can stop them :/

ETA : Alot of parents would feel like some part of their child lives on if their organs were used to save another childs life, your description of how the body was buried is pretty crass and unnecessary tbh

[Northern Monkey]

:nono:


But I was looking at a survey done last year asking Do you plan on Donating your organs and 80% answered yes and only 8% said no (the rest said I don't know) So it's seems logical to have an opt out system in place

Well it's definitely a good idea in practical terms.
I suppose the other side of it could be that it's a little bit Orwellian.It kind of presumes that the state owns you,That you are government property.
Should you have to put it in your will that you don't want body parts stolen after death in a free society?
I can see both sides.

[Tom4784]

I think a lot of parents wouldn't opt out, I've got a dour view on humanity but I think most parents would be empathetic enough in that situation to understand that donating the organs would save other children from dying and their parents from going through what they are going through.

[Niamh.]

I think a lot of parents wouldn't opt out, I've got a dour view on humanity but I think most parents would be empathetic enough in that situation to understand that donating the organs would save other children from dying and their parents from going through what they are going through.

Yes absolutely, that's how I would feel about it. It also makes your child into a bit of a hero too after they passed

[Niamh.]

Well it's definitely a good idea in practical terms.
I suppose the other side of it could be that it's a little bit Orwellian.It kind of presumes that the state owns you,That you are government property.
Should you have to put it in your will that you don't want body parts stolen after death in a free society?
I can see both sides.

I kind of see what you're saying but it's to save lives not for government experiments or for their benefits

[Tom4784]

Yes absolutely, that's how I would feel about it. It also makes your child into a bit of a hero too after they passed

I imagine it might be a miniscule comfort to know that their death had meaning too, that it wasn't in vain.

[joeysteele]

It's a great idea and I think it should be the norm world wide. Waiting lists would evaporate if there's thousands of organs made available every day.

This for me certainly.

[ebandit]

...is such a bill likely to be passed

...i see too many objectors now.............and later

...i agree in practice it's a good idea but choice should lie with an individual and not

be assumed

Mark L

[Alf]

There's only one organ of mine that everybody wants.

I'll give you a clue
Anaconda

[Denver]

More like Tadpole :fan:

[user104658]

It's how it should be... if you ask people, the vast majority say they would happily donate organs when they die. But then if you follow up that question with "and are you on the organ donation register?"... most are not, simply because it doesn't occur to most people to sign up.

Anyone who feels strongly enough about not donating will surely opt out straight away? If they don't... well then you sort of have to assume that they weren't all THAT bothered about it.

[Niamh.]

...is such a bill likely to be passed

...i see too many objectors now.............and later

...i agree in practice it's a good idea but choice should lie with an individual and not

be assumed

Mark L

It is in Ireland yeah

[user104658]

It is in Ireland yeah

In England people would probably complain about people "scrounging" organs and that if they had worked harder they would be able to pay for their own organs.

[Alf]

More like Tadpole :fan:Have you been spying on me?

[Niamh.]

In England people would probably complain about people "scrounging" organs and that if they had worked harder they would be able to pay for their own organs.

:laugh:

I really don't see the logic behind not wanting to donate and help save peoples lives

[Denver]

Have you been spying on me?

Josy told me

[Cherie]

its a good idea most people would do it but don't get round to filling in the forms, if you are really anti, you will opt out.

[Cherie]

In England people would probably complain about people "scrounging" organs and that if they had worked harder they would be able to pay for their own organs.

wouldn't that happen in Scotland as well :idc:

[Livia]

I'm all for having to opt out, rather than opting in. When someone dies it's not the ideal time to ask someone if you can have their loved ones' organs.

[Niamh.]

I'm all for having to opt out, rather than opting in. When someone dies it's not the ideal time to ask someone if you can have their loved ones' organs.

Yeah and I think people need to look at this from both angles not just the donator or parent of a donator but imagine you were the one needing an organ or your child was the one needing an organ

[Withano]

Good. In my probably controversial opinion. There is no reason to not be an organ donor

[Kizzy]

I used to think this was a good idea.. now I don't, I believe in choice.
Don't get me wrong I want everyone to be an organ donor, but make that decision as a conscious living person, having said that the next of kin could be asked if there is no donor card (as they are now I believe)
But nothing should be indiscriminately harvested.

[Niamh.]

I used to think this was a good idea.. now I don't, I believe in choice.
Don't get me wrong I want everyone to be an organ donor, but make that decision as a conscious living person, having said that the next of kin could be asked if there is no donor card (as they are now I believe)
But nothing should be indiscriminately harvested.

You would still have a choice though, you could choose to opt out

[user104658]

I used to think this was a good idea.. now I don't, I believe in choice.
Don't get me wrong I want everyone to be an organ donor, but make that decision as a conscious living person, having said that the next of kin could be asked if there is no donor card (as they are now I believe)
But nothing should be indiscriminately harvested.
You do have the choice... You can make that decision while alive. So long as it's not a "stealthy" thing (i.e. It's normal general knowledge that you have to opt out) and the opt out process is a simple one, then it shouldn't be an issue. If it's families opting out for religious reasons, I get that it's not a simple thing as no one wants to even think about their kids donating organs so could be upsetting to have to opt out on a child's behalf SO - simple solution - just have a child's opt out status linked to their parents until age 18. If either parent is opted out then the child is opted out by default. At 18 they can then opt in if they want to.

Or even make it that it only applies to over 18's, and with under 18's it's always a case of seeking permission from next of kin as it is currently.

Over 18's though... Anyone who feels strongly enough about it surely isn't going to just "forget to opt out" :think:. If it's a case of having time to do so (e.g. Someone dies just after their 18th birthday, or just after moving to the country) just have some sort of "buffer" period before automatic opt in, say 6 months...

[user104658]

[emoji23]

I really don't see the logic behind not wanting to donate and help save peoples lives
Well it is usually religious reasons, so logic has already left the building... :omgno:

[Tom4784]

When I die, take what's useful and throw what's left in a ditch somewhere. I'm not gonna care at that point.

[Niamh.]

Well it is usually religious reasons, so logic has already left the building... :omgno:

Yeah but is there even religious reasons not to be organ donors in most religions? Like I was brought up a Catholic and I never heard of it being against gods wishes to donate an organ :laugh:

[Kizzy]

You would still have a choice though, you could choose to opt out

That is not a choice.... You choose to do things or not, it shouldn't be presumed by a lack of action that you are complicit.

And should the system fail, will it be presumed you opted in or out?

[Niamh.]

That is not a choice.... You choose to do things or not, it shouldn't be presumed by a lack of action that you are complicit.

And should the system fail, will it be presumed you opted in or out?

It is a choice though, it's the same choice as now except the new way saves more peoples lives.

Re the BIB, I have no idea and honestly I couldn't care less. I'm sure a family member could decide if that were the case. And if you have none? well you're never going to know either way anyway because you're dead

[Kizzy]

It is a choice though, it's the same choice as now except the new way saves more peoples lives.

It's not the same choice as now... If you opt in it is purely your decision, by having to opt out if you don't act then you are presumed complicit whether or not you were.

To have a organ ready for transplant it has to be harvested and prepped asap, one worry would be that you would be being prepped for organ removal before you yourself were dead, if you were not sufficiently viable. :/

[Niamh.]

It's not the same choice as now... If you opt in it is purely your decision, by having to opt out if you don't act then you are presumed complicit whether or not you were.

To have a organ ready for transplant it has to be harvested and prepped asap, one worry would be that you would be being prepped for organ removal before you yourself were dead, if you were not sufficiently viable. :/

So what? It makes more sense this way because this way it saves more lives

I have nothing to say on your second paragraph because I have zero knowledge on that

[Kizzy]

How about applying the question to official documents instead, say your tax or nat ins ones? I'd say that was a better way.

Nothing is certain, except death...and taxes :)

[user104658]

How about applying the question to official documents instead, say your tax or nat ins ones? I'd say that was a better way.

Nothing is certain, except death...and taxes :)
Can't say I've ever filled in anything about tax or NI, though. You only really do those documents if self-employed, otherwise it's all PAYE and you never see any of it (other than on your payslip).

[Scarlett.]

Honestly, I like the idea that when I die, I could be saving another persons life, it's comforting. I don't need my organs when I die.

[Kizzy]

Can't say I've ever filled in anything about tax or NI, though. You only really do those documents if self-employed, otherwise it's all PAYE and you never see any of it (other than on your payslip).

Council tax?...

[Niamh.]

How about applying the question to official documents instead, say your tax or nat ins ones? I'd say that was a better way.

Nothing is certain, except death...and taxes :)
As far as I'm aware I cant opt out of taxes . . . Unfortunately [emoji23]

[jaxie]

I think it's a great idea and the way all countries should approach the issue. Asking people to carry a donor card is like asking people to consider their own death and not many people want to think about that.

[user104658]

Council tax?...
I've never filled in a form for that either, they just plonk a big fat bill on the mat :joker:

[user104658]

As far as I'm aware I cant opt out of taxes . . . Unfortunately [emoji23]
Naw, you need to be into double digit millions before you can do that :joker:

[Niamh.]

Naw, you need to be into double digit millions before you can do that :joker:
Aint that the truth