'PC' The truth

[Kizzy]

The news is full of stories about how ‘the PC brigade’ is ruining British life, says Nesrine Malik. From Easter being banned to diversity drives ruining businesses, she says, politicians and the press fuel the false idea that diversity threatens all we know. But, she argues, these falsehoods are propagated for a reason – to delegitimise the ideals of the left.

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https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/video/2017/apr/19/is-political-correctness-gone-mad-a-lie-video

[Northern Monkey]

Oh.I thought the Truth had joined the force for a second there

[Alf]

And what?


She's not speaking for me, all I'm getting from her is "there are no problems, so shut up, and know your place"

[Beso]

A youtube video equals the truth..omg that is too funny.:joker:

[Kizzy]

I put it here in the hope of a debate, 3 mocking comments later... Still waiting.

[the truth]

she is wrong. another hard line left wing liberal ....20,000 kids molested in rotherham because the social services and police were too scared of political correctness. why the heck does she put women in with minorities anyway? women are a majority? its time we seperate disabled rights from womens rights and treat disabled rights in their own right. In the past 30 yrs disabled rights have been drowned out by diversity and by the demands of feminsists. The biggest irony of all, the so called peace loving, caring, open minded liberals are the ones who openly advocate violence on the streets way way more than the tories

[smudgie]

:shocked: Easter was banned:shocked:
:nono: not in this house.

[Brillopad]

:shocked: Easter was banned:shocked:
:nono: not in this house.

Not this one either. I love Easter.

[Withano]

I liked the video, and I think she made a good point. A lot of people take these Easter egg stories very, very seriously without realising that most liberals are in agreement. I wasn't actually aware it was a fake story!

I personally, however think that the main conflicting issue is people believing that they are above PC or immune to it.
Many think that they are not at all PC.. but refuse to acknowledge that there are dozens of words that they would not use because of the offence that it causes.
Everyone is a little PC, some more than others. It's up to each person to draw a sensible line. I personally believe lefties and righties have a very similar line for most topics.. but there are some either end of the scale that take the piss, I've found that these people are often disliked by lefties and righties alike.

[the truth]

I liked the video, and I think she made a good point. A lot of people take these Easter egg stories very, very seriously without realising that most liberals are in agreement. I wasn't actually aware it was a fake story!

I personally, however think that the main conflicting issue is people believing that they are above PC or immune to it.
Many think that they are not at all PC.. but refuse to acknowledge that there are dozens of words that they would not use because of the offence that it causes.
Everyone is a little PC, some more than others. It's up to each person to draw a sensible line. I personally believe lefties and righties have a very similar line for most topics.. but there are some either end of the scale that take the piss, I've found that these people are often disliked by lefties and righties alike.

wrong the liberal left have perverted its meaning and used PC as a political tool...people saw through it especially after 20,000 innocent kids were molested in rotherham by mainly muslim people and the stories were buried.

[ebandit]

I put it here in the hope of a debate, 3 mocking comments later... Still waiting.

why? stomp on others input.............even if debate went differently to as

hoped

Mark L

[Kizzy]

wrong the liberal left have perverted its meaning and used PC as a political tool...people saw through it especially after 20,000 innocent kids were molested in rotherham by mainly muslim people and the stories were buried.

What happened in certain areas was in no uncertain terms wrong, and I'm aware of the excuses used for those injustices. What happened in Rotherham happened in other boroughs covering all areas and all parties, read Nick Davies ' Dark Heart' it highlights the issue up and down the UK.

That however is not what is in discussion here, it's the shouting down of those who have taken the time to look closer behind media headlines such as the one purporting that Cadburys had removed Easter... That was believed and repeated without question.
And it was ' PC' that was purportedly to blame for this imaginary scenario.

[DemolitionRed]

I agree with what she says in the video. Political correctness is the imaginary menace invented by the Right to make the Left look like the enemy and the worst affected by this phantom enemy is TheTruth.

No doubt I'll get reported by the PC brigade for that one ^

[Withano]

wrong the liberal left have perverted its meaning and used PC as a political tool...people saw through it especially after 20,000 innocent kids were molested in rotherham by mainly muslim people and the stories were buried.

It would be pretty un-PC to bury the stories, un-PC people are the enemy there.

[Brillopad]

Nothing imaginary about PC. Some people will try to convince otherwise but it's there in every aspect of our lives - big, bad, ugly and controlling - trying to tell us all what, when and how to think.

[Withano]

Nothing imaginary about PC. Some people will try to convince otherwise but it's there in every aspect of our lives - big, bad, ugly and controlling - trying to tell us all what, when and how to think.

But why would you take notice? Maybe thats the difference? A lefty hears a PC person say no easter and they think something along the lines of 'lol shut up, i do what i want' but this thread makes it seem like rightys hear a PC person say no easter and they respond with 'how dare you tell me what to do and think this is an insult to my culture and a very big deal'. You really dont need to get worked over a few peoples opinion, especially a person so far along the PC scale.

You wouldnt listen to the worlds most un-PC person giving you advice on which offensive words should be brought back, so why listen to the worlds most PC person giving you advice on which inoffensive words should be banned?

[Mystic Mock]

wrong the liberal left have perverted its meaning and used PC as a political tool...people saw through it especially after 20,000 innocent kids were molested in rotherham by mainly muslim people and the stories were buried.

That's not PC, that's corruption that you're talking about.

I agree with Withano, everybody has a line that they won't cross which could be deemed as "PC."

[Kizzy]

Nothing imaginary about PC. Some people will try to convince otherwise but it's there in every aspect of our lives - big, bad, ugly and controlling - trying to tell us all what, when and how to think.

'PC' sounds a lot like prejudice..

[Brillopad]

'PC' sounds a lot like prejudice..

PiC is prejudice against those that don't conform.

Whichever way you look at it PC it is every bit as bad as those it accuses. It dictates, is intolerant and discriminates.

[user104658]

Macs work well for what they are but to be honest they are waaay over-priced. That said, fewer and fewer people are using home computers / laptops at all these days, it's mostly tablets and smartphones. Sad.

[Brillopad]

I agree with Withano, everybody has a line that they won't cross which could be deemed as "PC."

I disagree, I think beliefs and personal morality are distinctly different from PC which comes from pressure and rules applied by others.

[Kizzy]

PiC is prejudice against those that don't conform.

Whichever way you look at it PC it is every bit as bad as those it accuses. It dictates, is intolerant and discriminates.

Can you give an example please, as the term is applied far too broadly to know specifically how highlighting misinformation would be misconstrued as discrimination and or prejudice.

[Kizzy]

I disagree, I think beliefs and personal morality are distinctly different from PC which comes from pressure and rules applied by others.

He has a great point, my conscience might tell me that cuts hurting the disabled are wrong... Were I to voice that the reaction could be ( and in my personal experience has been) my views are a result of being lefty or PC, it's a lose lose situation.

[DemolitionRed]

He has a great point, my conscience might tell me that cuts hurting the disabled are wrong... Were I to voice that the reaction could be ( and in my personal experience has been) my views are a result of being lefty or PC, it's a lose lose situation.

I think the real bug bearer is this new suggestion that any empathy shown to people less fortunate than ourselves is feigned empathy from the pc brigade... we have to do it because its none pc to do otherwise!

[Kizzy]

I think the real bug bearer is this new suggestion that any empathy shown to people less fortunate than ourselves is feigned empathy from the pc brigade... we have to do it because its none pc to do otherwise!

Well this is it, it's almost considered unfashionable to voice any empathy whatsoever you are then nothing more than a 'bleeding heart'.

Another made up term that is (or was before 'pc' became the preferred option) a slur to anyone who finds cuts (for instance) a false economy.

But more than that as highlighted 'pc' i being used strategically to pit people against one another by alluding they affect 'shared values' as seen with the Cadbury example, when in reality they don't at all.

[Withano]

I would honestly say that if PC was on a scale from 1-10, ~90% of people would be somewhere between a 4 & 7.
Its just that so many pay attention to the 1s who dont want chocolate eggs in the spring to be named after the Easter holiday, or the 10s that purposely aim to offend as many people as possible to get a reaction.
So few people identify with both of these extremes that the entire discussion of PC seems bizarre. I honestly think ~90% of people have similar conclusions on PC topics.

[Niamh.]

I would honestly say that if PC was on a scale from 1-10, ~90% of people would be somewhere between a 4 & 7.
Its just that so many pay attention to the 1s who dont want chocolate eggs in the spring to be named after the Easter holiday, or the 10s that purposely aim to offend as many people as possible to get a reaction.
So few people identify with both of these extremes that the entire discussion of PC seems bizarre. I honestly think ~90% of people have similar conclusions on PC topics.

Absolutely agree with this

[Niamh.]

Good video though Kizzy, I think she's pretty close to the truth

[Kizzy]

Good video though Kizzy, I think she's pretty close to the truth

Thank you sweetie, you can be my fave mod today, which reminds me where is Vicky?

[Niamh.]

Thank you sweetie, you can be my fave mod today, which reminds me where is Vicky?

:laugh:

She posts on FB most days so she's ok, sounds like she's busy with the kids alot though judging by her posts on there!

[Kizzy]

Aw good to hear, I was only joking btw you are all my favourites ... except MTVN.

[Niamh.]

Aw good to hear, I was only joking btw you are all my favourites ... except MTVN.

That's understandable :hehe:

[Mystic Mock]

I disagree, I think beliefs and personal morality are distinctly different from PC which comes from pressure and rules applied by others.

I think that people's sense of "morality" can go into an extreme PC level as they think that saying certain things, or making certain jokes is being "horrible" or "going too far" because the person actually thinks that their OTT PC ways is a good thing, and noble. Just as on the other spectrum that someone with a low amount of PC in them will think that it's okay to say whatever they want, but people are being mean if they don't like them saying certain words, or just out and out being controversial, I actually do join the latter myself to some extent.