NHS hit by 'wide scale cyber attack'

[Greg!]

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-39899646

Wtf! Who the hell would do that

[Rob!]

NHS England hit by 'cyber attack'
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-39899646

BBC News reporting that nationwide hospitals and GPs have been hit with messages demanding a randsom in exchange for the virus to be taken off the systems.


:shocked:

[Rob!]

NHS services across England have been hit by IT failure, believed to be caused by a large-scale cyber-attack.
Trusts and hospitals in London, Blackburn, Nottingham, Cumbria and Hertfordshire have been affected.
GPs are resorting to using pen and paper, according to newspaper the Blackpool Gazette, and phone and IT systems have been shut down.
NHS England says they are aware of the issue and are looking into it.
Among those affected is the East and North Hertfordshire NHS Trust which says it is experiencing problems with computers and phone systems.
It has postponed all non-urgent activity today and is asking people not to come to A&E at the the Lister Hospital in Stevenage.
IT specialists are working to resolve the problem as quickly as possible, a statement from the Trust says.
Also affected is Derbyshire Community Health Services NHS Trust which says it has shut down all of its IT systems following a 'secure system attack'.


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[Scarlett.]

Whoever has done this is the lowest of the low.

[Josy]

Disgusting

[Will.]

mess

[smudgie]

Ruddy idiots.
Here is me sat waiting for test results.:fist:

[joeysteele]

What a mess,really a very low act whoever is behind this.

[Northern Monkey]

Blame Russia

[Kizzy]

Hmmm that very expensive IT system corrupt... not surprised, like the people who had it installed.

[UserSince2005]

probs some 14 year old in his bedroom. an abosute mess of an organisation. how many innocent people will have died because of this?

[arista]

Evil.

the want payment in BitCoin.

[arista]

http://e3.365dm.com/17/05/536x302/3495c205dad2764eb93beea0e59315cb1f1b7715375f43439a 7e71da8ba0d094_3951789.jpg?20170512165237

[UserSince2005]

They better manage their money better and pay up then.

[Tozzie]

ffs, what is the matter with some people. Why, just why would you even want to do this.

[UserSince2005]

They better manage their money better and pay up then.

No doubt they will want a government bail out again. as always.

[Kazanne]

Sorry I didnt mean to be provocative, i was just expressing my opinion.

Which you are entitalled to do as anyone else is and shouldn't be shut down with insults,there IS a lot of mismanagement with money in the NHS,but this is a whole different ball game.

[Marsh.]

No doubt they will want a government bail out again. as always.

The same government robbing them of millions upon millions?

Are you actually listening to yourself?

[Kazanne]

Ruddy idiots.
Here is me sat waiting for test results.:fist:

Aw smudgie,lets hope they can sort it.:wavey:

[jaxie]

Whoever has done this is the lowest of the low.

That was exactly my first thought. How low can anyone get.

[UserSince2005]

The same government robbing them of millions upon millions?

Are you actually listening to yourself?

I just really worried about all the peoples lives who are now put at risk again by the nhs.

Maybe i misspoke in worry.

[Marsh.]

I just really worried about all the peoples lives who are now put at risk again by the nhs.

Maybe i misspoke in worry.

Well blame the disgusting hacker and not an organisation already stretched to the limit.

[ebandit]

...no anti virus?

.......but seriously? is that a hi tech attack............looks like the sort of thing most

computer users could bypass/clear in minutes...............

Mark L

[arista]

...no anti virus?

.......but seriously? is that a hi tech attack............looks like the sort of thing most

computer users could bypass/clear in minutes...............

Mark L


yes low level
but reports are many are old windows XP

[JTM45]

No doubt they will want a government bail out again. as always.

Taking 'clueless' to completely new levels!

Being this un-informed is not a good look for anyone.:facepalm:

[smudgie]

Aw smudgie,lets hope they can sort it.:wavey:

Aye, I swear they just love my face, every time they get a test result they like to stretch it out and do a few more:joker:

[jaxie]

Aye, I swear they just love my face, every time they get a test result they like to stretch it out and do a few more:joker:

Aww good luck with your results Smudgie, I hope they come back quick and with no problems. :wavey:

[Kizzy]

How come this wasn't made a bigger deal?...

Robbing, corrupt, useless basts.

'The ambitious scheme, designed to create electronic patient records for use across the NHS in England, was shelved two years ago but the amount of money wasted is increasing as there are still outstanding costs and some elements of the project have continued in different parts of the country.
The Government put the bill for the failed National Programme at £6.4 billion when it announced it was being dismantled and officials later estimated the total would reach £9.8 billion.
But the Commons Public Accounts Committee (PAC) said the full costs of the scheme are still not certain as the latest forecast does not include the bill for terminating Fujitsu's contract for care records systems in the south of England or other future costs.
Taxpayers are continuing to pay the price for the failures of the Department of Health and its contractors, MPs said.
They highlighted the Government's decision to renegotiate its original contracts, worth £3.1 billion, with company CSC for care records systems across 220 trusts in the North, Midlands and East, following delays and problems.'

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/nhs/10317998/Cost-of-abandoned-NHS-record-system-10bn-and-rising.html

[Sticks]

They are going to have to pay the ransom

On the BBC Radio 4 programme PM, they reported how one of these hit a police force in America, and even they had to pay the ransom

[Jack_]

Jeremy Hunt at it again it seems

[Beso]

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-39899646

Wtf! Who the hell would do that

Tony ****ing blair.

[user104658]

Jeremy Hunt at it again it seems
Genuinely one of my first thoughts. False flag crap to further erode public confidence.

[Denver]

Apparently 74 countries were hit with Russia and Spain hit the hardest

[Beso]

It better be the russians cause if its some spotty teen telling me patrick agbonubo has fake piles i wont be happy.:fist:

[smudgie]

Aww good luck with your results Smudgie, I hope they come back quick and with no problems. :wavey:

Well, on the bright side, I am not worried about being pregnant:laugh:

[AnnieK]

We got hit by thus virus at work and it's actually really difficult to get rid of. Our anti virus managed to stop it before it replicated too far but was still a nightmare

[user104658]

The main problem here is how outdated the systems are. A lot are still on XP, which Microsoft stopped supporting years ago. It's absolutely full of security holes.

[Kazanne]

Don't see why any government is getting blame here,the scum that did it are to blame,no one else and it's going worldwide apparently.

[Scarlett.]

The main problem here is how outdated the systems are. A lot are still on XP, which Microsoft stopped supporting years ago. It's absolutely full of security holes.

Well, Microsoft did provide updates for companies still using XP for a fee, but guess who cancelled that?

Jeremy ****ing Hunt

[arista]

https://d2kmm3vx031a1h.cloudfront.net/78fCfCRgSr2QnUAOpZdS_tele2.PNG

[Brillopad]

Don't see why any government is getting blame here,the scum that did it are to blame,no one else and it's going worldwide apparently.

Any excuse to have a go at the tories. Got to do all they can to stop them winning the election. Pathetic.

[Kazanne]

Any excuse to have a go at the tories. Got to do all they can to stop them winning the election. Pathetic.

That's the crux of it Brillo ,no one is to blame ,just the scum that did it ,plus it's not just here it's in other countries 70 altogether,and not just the NHS,so instead of putting the blame on a party they dont like,people need to concentrate on the person or people that hacked it.:wavey:

[Kizzy]

The question is why remove an 'out of dste' system that was safe for a £10 billion pound one that isn't?

[Jack_]

Any excuse to have a go at the tories. Got to do all they can to stop them winning the election. Pathetic.

That's the crux of it Brillo ,no one is to blame ,just the scum that did it ,plus it's not just here it's in other countries 70 altogether,and not just the NHS,so instead of putting the blame on a party they dont like,people need to concentrate on the person or people that hacked it.:wavey:

Are you familiar with the concept of humour? My comment was quite obviously tongue in cheek

[Scarlett.]

Any excuse to have a go at the tories. Got to do all they can to stop them winning the election. Pathetic.

Well, I mean, even the Daily Mail is calling Hunt out on this ****, so...
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-4502128/Absent-Health-Secretary-roasted-Parliament.html

[Brillopad]

Are you familiar with the concept of humour? My comment was quite obviously tongue in cheek

I didn't see anyone quote your post. My comment had nothing to do with you or your so-called tongue in cheek sense of humour.

[DemolitionRed]

We got hit by thus virus at work and it's actually really difficult to get rid of. Our anti virus managed to stop it before it replicated too far but was still a nightmare

Do you use XP?

Most hospitals in the UK, including a lot of private hospitals are still using this outdated system.

[DemolitionRed]

It was only a matter of time. XP is a very vulnerable system, especially for holding confidential records. Last year the Tories stopped funding deals with Microsoft XP within the NHS and because hospitals no longer have the money to update their systems or pay for anti-virus software, this has happened.

If this isn't proof that the Tories are deliberately starving the NHS, I don't know what is.

[Jack_]

I didn't see anyone quote your post. My comment had nothing to do with you or your so-called tongue in cheek sense of humour.

Well, I was the one who brought up a Conservative minister

[Kazanne]

It was only a matter of time. XP is a very vulnerable system, especially for holding confidential records. Last year the Tories stopped funding deals with Microsoft XP within the NHS and because hospitals no longer have the money to update their systems or pay for anti-virus software, this has happened.

If this isn't proof that the Tories are deliberately starving the NHS, I don't know what is.

Well what is the truth ? on Sky news today a guy was saying Windows XP was the most stable of the systems so much so that the military and other high profile organisations used it ,plus it was Microsoft themselves who demanded no patches etc just new windows OS,which meant all brand new stuff,so for me it's Microsoft that need to be looked at also the mis- management of money in the NHS.that coming from a junior doctor,so I think it suits some people to blame the Tories,it fits in with some agendas well,but bottom line ,the people to blame are the hackers,this is global not just aimed at the NHS,so the blame game doesn't wash with me.

[arista]

DR
this is a worldwide attack.

http://e3.365dm.com/17/05/536x302/6dc9b4a81deea34e5478b59aa38d709ad3b4674604ba71c298 d274492ef7cc7d_3951992.jpg?20170512204600

http://news.sky.com/story/biggest-ransomware-attack-in-history-targets-almost-100-countries-10874647

[Brillopad]

Well what is the truth ? on Sky news today a guy was saying Windows XP was the most stable of the systems so much so that the military and other high profile organisations used it ,plus it was Microsoft themselves who demanded no patches etc just new windows OS,which meant all brand new stuff,so for me it's Microsoft that need to be looked at also the mis- management of money in the NHS.that coming from a junior doctor,so I think it suits some people to blame the Tories,it fits in with some agendas well,but bottom line ,the people to blame are the hackers,this is global not just aimed at the NHS,so the blame game doesn't wash with me.

Spot on!

[DemolitionRed]

Well what is the truth ? on Sky news today a guy was saying Windows XP was the most stable of the systems so much so that the military and other high profile organisations used it ,plus it was Microsoft themselves who demanded no patches etc just new windows OS,which meant all brand new stuff,so for me it's Microsoft that need to be looked at also the mis- management of money in the NHS.that coming from a junior doctor,so I think it suits some people to blame the Tories,it fits in with some agendas well,but bottom line ,the people to blame are the hackers,this is global not just aimed at the NHS,so the blame game doesn't wash with me.

This is not Microsoft's fault. You can't blame them for this. If Microsoft have decided that they are not supporting this version of the software any more its because there are newer less volatile versions of windows that their customers should be using.

The vulnerability is nothing to do with the system stability. That doesn't mean its not vulnerable to attack. An outmoded but stable system can still be vulnerable.

Usually computer systems in very large organisations are put out to Tender and can (unwisely, in my opinion) be linked to long-standing contracts which prevent changes. Of course, that's a stupid system when it comes to technology. But, it's still common in a lot of government organisations.

The Navy's most tenacious enemy may be windows XP http://www.atlasobscura.com/articles/the-navys-most-tenacious-enemy-may-be-windows-xp.

Using XP, now it's completely out of support, is stupid.

[DemolitionRed]

Spot on!

Really?!?!

Lets hear why?

[DemolitionRed]

DR
this is a worldwide attack.

http://e3.365dm.com/17/05/536x302/6dc9b4a81deea34e5478b59aa38d709ad3b4674604ba71c298 d274492ef7cc7d_3951992.jpg?20170512204600

http://news.sky.com/story/biggest-ransomware-attack-in-history-targets-almost-100-countries-10874647

Em yes, I know!

I'm not saying this is a lone strike on the NHS. I'm saying the NHS was left vulnerable to such an attack.

XP vulnerabilities were published by the Shadow Brokers or the CIA only last month and cybercriminals have now incorporated those vulnerabilities to make lots of money.

[Kizzy]

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/C_skp-NXcAAT4c0.jpg

£10 billion system upgrade and they don't pay £5 million for the security?....

[joeysteele]

This is not Microsoft's fault. You can't blame them for this. If Microsoft have decided that they are not supporting this version of the software any more its because there are newer less volatile versions of windows that their customers should be using.

The vulnerability is nothing to do with the system stability. That doesn't mean its not vulnerable to attack. An outmoded but stable system can still be vulnerable.

Usually computer systems in very large organisations are put out to Tender and can (unwisely, in my opinion) be linked to long-standing contracts which prevent changes. Of course, that's a stupid system when it comes to technology. But, it's still common in a lot of government organisations.

The Navy's most tenacious enemy may be windows XP http://www.atlasobscura.com/articles/the-navys-most-tenacious-enemy-may-be-windows-xp.

Using XP, now it's completely out of support, is stupid.



You are right there again.

[Livia]

My local surgery uses XP... and they're recently spend a fortune on a refurb. You should see the seats the receptionists have, they're like space captain seats. They didn't think that money would be better spent on a new system. So, who's going to be accountable for that? The government?

Also... and this is a cutting edge, radical idea... have a paper system as a backup. They need it. Obviously.

[Kazanne]

My local surgery uses XP... and they're recently spend a fortune on a refurb. You should see the seats the receptionists have, they're like space captain seats. They didn't think that money would be better spent on a new system. So, who's going to be accountable for that? The government?

Also... and this is a cutting edge, radical idea... have a paper system as a backup. They need it. Obviously.

This is my way of thinking Livia,but people don't want to listen as it doesn't suit their thinking of how the Tories are 'ruining' the country,God forbid those IN the NHS are not spending the money they have properly,so lets blame someone else.

[Kizzy]

My local surgery uses XP... and they're recently spend a fortune on a refurb. You should see the seats the receptionists have, they're like space captain seats. They didn't think that money would be better spent on a new system. So, who's going to be accountable for that? The government?

Also... and this is a cutting edge, radical idea... have a paper system as a backup. They need it. Obviously.

Whether or not they use XP is irrelevant, it's the security upgrade for XP that was lacking as reported and explained by Mr Hunt himself.

What is the point of spending 1 billion on an upgrade if you are going to have to back up with paper files anyway?...

[Livia]

This is my way of thinking Livia,but people don't want to listen as it doesn't suit their thinking of how the Tories are 'ruining' the country,God forbid those IN the NHS are not spending the money they have properly,so lets blame someone else.

Thanks Kaz... thought I was on my own here. My mother has district nurses visit... the last time I said on here that maybe one nurse could do more than one thing and save the others a visit, it was suggested by a forum member that my family should maybe look at doing more. This place is insane sometimes.

[Kazanne]

Thanks Kaz... thought I was on my own here. My mother has district nurses visit... the last time I said on here that maybe one nurse could do more than one thing and save the others a visit, it was suggested by a forum member that my family should maybe look at doing more. This place is insane sometimes.

Aint that the truth Livia, I was pulled up because I said my mother looked after an elderly gent for years and was treated very well ,she , got a pittance ,but he had the help he needed,like a special bed and things to make life better for him,but I was shot down,for that,so sometimes I just don't bother,you have to agree with the majority then you can coast along quite happily,well that's just not me ,I do believe that is why lots of members just go from here, Why do people want stuff for nowt ? those that are able,should get off thier arses and work for it I say.

[Kizzy]

Thanks Kaz... thought I was on my own here. My mother has district nurses visit... the last time I said on here that maybe one nurse could do more than one thing and save the others a visit, it was suggested by a forum member that my family should maybe look at doing more. This place is insane sometimes.

Unsurprisingly that would be me...

You said 'she'll be visited by a district nurse in the morning to do one procedure and another in the afternoon to do something else.'

I stated that was a fantastic level of care and suggested that if you were concerned and wished to free up a visit for someone else you could perhaps arrange between the family to check on her.

It had been assessed that she required assistance in the morning and again in the afternoon, how then can all of her care needs be delivered in one visit?

What's wrong with that? :/

[smudgie]

On a happy note, neither my local GP surgeries or the two Hospitals have been affected.
Pleased to see the local area keeps their computers updated.

[Kazanne]

On a happy note, neither my local GP surgeries or the two Hospitals have been affected.
Pleased to see the local area keeps their computers updated.

I watched the news smudgie and most of it is dying down now,so fingers crossed your results will be available to you soon.

[Livia]

Unsurprisingly that would be me...

You said 'she'll be visited by a district nurse in the morning to do one procedure and another in the afternoon to do something else.'

I stated that was a fantastic level of care and suggested that if you were concerned and wished to free up a visit for someone else you could perhaps arrange between the family to check on her.

It had been assessed that she required assistance in the morning and again in the afternoon, how then can all of her care needs be delivered in one visit?

What's wrong with that? :/

I'll tell you what's wrong with that.

You don't know anything about my mother's problems and yet your comment suggests her family are not doing enough. My father was a paramedic and already does loads for her. If it was something her family could do we wouldn't need a nurse. Like it may be your business.

So despite knowing next to nothing about it and yet you felt compelled stick your oar into it and suggest we were a drain on the NHS by not doing our bit.

[Kizzy]

I'll tell you what's wrong with that.

You don't know anything about my mother's problems and yet your comment suggests her family are not doing enough. My father was a paramedic and already does loads for her. If it was something her family could do we wouldn't need a nurse. Like it may be your business.

So despite knowing next to nothing about it and yet you felt compelled stick your oar into it and suggest we were a drain on the NHS by not doing our bit.

My comment suggests nothing of the kind, you chose to include your experience in the thread therefore it becomes part of the wider debate.

If you feel that sending a nurse twice a day a drain on resources as you previously stated then that would be one solution wouldn't it?

Like you say if it was something that family could do they wouldn't send a nurse, and similarly if it was something that only needed tending to once they would only send her once.

[smudgie]

My comment suggests nothing of the kind, you chose to include your experience in the thread therefore it becomes part of the wider debate.

If you feel that sending a nurse twice a day a drain on resources as you previously stated then that would be one solution wouldn't it?

Like you say if it was something that family could do they wouldn't send a nurse, and similarly if it was something that only needed tending to once they would only send her once.

Try thinking outsideof the box Kizzy, some patients have multi illnesses and need two or even more things doing.
One nurses visit would save time and money if all the treatment was administered at the same time, different altogether than a patient needing the same thing doing twice.

[DemolitionRed]

This is my way of thinking Livia,but people don't want to listen as it doesn't suit their thinking of how the Tories are 'ruining' the country,God forbid those IN the NHS are not spending the money they have properly,so lets blame someone else.

Updating systems and retraining staff is a massive task and never easy (the retraining actually comes first). There is however, no excuse when IT department managers are not listened to about security which can affect life.

That said, from what I'm reading, it looks like this can be at least partially blamed on Jeremy Hunt doing everything on the cheap.

[DemolitionRed]

Whether or not they use XP is irrelevant, it's the security upgrade for XP that was lacking as reported and explained by Mr Hunt himself.

What is the point of spending 1 billion on an upgrade if you are going to have to back up with paper files anyway?...

We can't back up with paper files. There's no room in the small spaces provided!

[DemolitionRed]

At least our medical data should be ok and not affected. What is affected are computers that access those records and the scheduling systems e.g. appointments, ambulances and so on.

[Kizzy]

Try thinking outsideof the box Kizzy, some patients have multi illnesses and need two or even more things doing.
One nurses visit would save time and money if all the treatment was administered at the same time, different altogether than a patient needing the same thing doing twice.

I have thank you, I don't want to pry into the specifics here but there are many things that can't be done in one visit. One may be a nurse and the other a nurse practitioner?

Honestly I have never heard of anyone complain their ill relative gets too much care.. :/

[Livia]

I have thank you, I don't want to pry into the specifics here but there are many things that can't be done in one visit. One may be a nurse and the other a nurse practitioner?

Honestly I have never heard of anyone complain their ill relative gets too much care.. :/


You don't need the specifics and even if you had them you'd still try to spin it so you're right and I'm wrong. The nurses themselves get fed up with it because they're sent to do stuff that the nurse who attended that morning could have done. Anyhoo it was one comment I made that you latched on to as usual and here we are still.... I won't be explaining this again, even when you reply. And you will....

[Kizzy]

You don't need the specifics and even if you had them you'd still try to spin it so you're right and I'm wrong. The nurses themselves get fed up with it because they're sent to do stuff that the nurse who attended that morning could have done. Anyhoo it was one comment I made that you latched on to as usual and here we are still.... I won't be explaining this again, even when you reply. And you will....

I wouldn't.

Again if her doctor had felt 1 visit sufficient that is what she would get, it was you who brought this anecdote from another thread btw.
' I said on here that maybe one nurse could do more than one thing and save the others a visit'

I note it has now changed from I said to they said, no matter as you say the issue has been discussed to death.

[Vanessa]

This is scary. Like something out of War Games. I still remember that movie :worry: