Christine Ohuruogu racially abused by Conservative councillor

[Headie]

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Justice 4 our Christine http://i.imgur.com/hqO70Y1.jpg

[Headie]

I just realised it's the same councillor from the Eurovision comments about Ireland welp

[Shaun]

:facepalm:

[Alf]

Why in the comments section, is everybody apologising? did they do something wrong? Who are they apologising for?

Look at how many comments there are with people saying "I'm so sorry"

Generation guilt for other peoples actions.

[JTM45]

It's called ''empathy'' and it's decent people showing support for someone.
People aren't apologising. They're saying that in this day and age they feel sorry that people as biggotted and small minded as this guy are still holding on to their racist, hateful ways.

[Marsh.]

Why in the comments section, is everybody apologising? did they do something wrong? Who are they apologising for?

Look at how many comments there are with people saying "I'm so sorry"

Generation guilt for other peoples actions.

Because that's clearly the issue here.

[Alf]

Because that's clearly the issue here.To be honest with you pal, I can't really make out the story.

There was a scarecrow competition and this guy said that this scarecrow looked like Christine Ohuruogu, do I have that right?

[Cherie]

What an idiot he is

[Marsh.]

To be honest with you pal, I can't really make out the story.

There was a scarecrow competition and this guy said that this scarecrow looked like Christine Ohuruogu, do I have that right?

Yes,.....

Now come back and let us know when you've processed all of that information.

[Alf]

Yes,.....

Now come back and let us know when you've processed all of that information.I remember a housemate from BB8 that looked like Worzel Gummidge.

[Marsh.]

I remember a housemate from BB8 that looked like Worzel Gummidge.

And? Pray tell how that too plays into dated racist stereotypes?

[Northern Monkey]

I honestly never knew 'scarecrow' was a racist word.Glad i know now.I'll be careful when i visit the countryside.

[Wizard.]

Omg it actually does though. He's just spilling the tea.

[Marsh.]

Omg it actually does though. He's just spilling the tea.

:umm2:

[Marsh.]

I honestly never knew 'scarecrow' was a racist word.Glad i know now.I'll be careful when i visit the countryside.

Nobody said or suggested it was love.

[Alf]

And? Pray tell how that too plays into dated racist stereotypes?Sometime's objects remind people of people, many famous people have even turned up on a piece of toast.

I've just compared a white person to Worzel Gummidge (A white scarecrow) I'm as guilty as this man.

There is real racism in the World, and who knows? this guy may be one. But I wouldn't call this incident racist. You're perfectly entitled to think otherwise. But it does make a mockery of real racism.

[Marsh.]

Sometime's objects remind people of people, many famous people have even turned up on a piece of toast.

I've just compared a white person to Worzel Gummidge (A white scarecrow) I'm as guilty as this man.

There is real racism in the World, and who knows? this guy may be one. But I wouldn't call this incident racist. You're perfectly entitled to think otherwise. But it does make a mockery of real racism.

Real racism? Like the golliwogs in years gone by?

Saying a black woman somehow looks like an offensive stereotype of a black person is acceptable?

[Northern Monkey]

He made a scarecrow that resembled someone?I Don't see how it's racist tbh.People do it with Guy Fawkes every year

[Headie]

Omg it actually does though. He's just spilling the tea.

This is sarcasm right?

[Kizzy]

He made a scarecrow that resembled someone?I Don't see how it's racist tbh.People do it with Guy Fawkes every year

Please tell me you are joking it's a random jet black shape with 2 button eyes and a large red slit for a mouth.... How could that in any universe resemble a person?!

You know I used to find you funny haha, but now you're just funny weird :/

[Amy Jade]

That's disgusting, what an awful thing to do. Hope she doesn't take it to heart.

Glad he was fired :clap1:

[T*]

Omg it actually does though. He's just spilling the tea.

:umm2:

[Northern Monkey]

Please tell me you are joking it's a random jet black shape with 2 button eyes and a large red slit for a mouth.... How could that in any universe resemble a person?!

You know I used to find you funny haha, but now you're just funny weird :/

Could you make an exact replica of somebody's face on a scarecrow?

I can't see it being an easy task.Is'nt this for some scarecrow competition?

Suppose he'd done one of a white celebrity.D'you think he could make it any better?

[Marsh.]

Could you make an exact replica of somebody's face on a scarecrow?

I can't see it being an easy task.Is'nt this for some scarecrow competition?

Suppose he'd done one of a white celebrity.D'you think he could make it any better?

Are you being deliberately obtuse?

[Denver]

People need to stop taking things to heart nothing racist about it at all and if it was the other way round nobody would bat an eyelid

[Marsh.]

People need to stop taking things to heart nothing racist about it at all

Yes, there is.

Your lack of awareness isn't evidence of a lack of racism.

[Denver]

Yes, there is.

Your lack of awareness isn't evidence of a lack of racism.

Saying someone looks like something is not racist

[T*]

'muh freedom of speech!'

[LukeB]

:facepalm:

[Marsh.]

Saying someone looks like something is not racist

That's not what's happened here. Go back and look again.

[Wizard.]

This is sarcasm right?

Of course not, your title is 'racially abused' but I don't see how this is abuse? He stated who the scarecrow reminded him of, that's it.

[Marsh.]

Of course not, your title is 'racially abused' but I don't see how this is abuse? He stated who the scarecrow reminded him of, that's it.

So he didn't deliberately create it as a racist stereotype?

I suppose the Olympics clothes and flag were a coincidence?

You find it acceptable to essentially make a giant "golliwog"?

[Denver]

That's not what's happened here. Go back and look again.

Trust me I know what racial abuse is I've spent most of my childhood being told every last story of what it's like for a Jamaican to come to England in the 50s and I can tell you know what you see in this thread is not racial motivated it's a bad tasted joke at most

[Marsh.]

Trust me I know what racial abuse is I've spent most of my childhood being told every last story of what it's like for a Jamaican to come to England in the 50s and I can tell you know what you see in this thread is not racial motivated it's a bad tasted joke at most

Making a giant golliwog isn't racially motivated? Are you being ironic?

[Wizard.]

So he didn't deliberately create it as a racist stereotype?

I suppose the Olympics clothes and flag were a coincidence?

You find it acceptable to essentially make a giant "golliwog"?

But if it were to be reversed and it was a white scarecrow dressed in Olympic clothing and he said "it looks like Rebecca Adlington" then what would be the harm in that? It can be offensive if the scarecrow is ugly and she doesn't want to be compared to an ugly scarecrow but just because it's a black scarecrow she has exclusive rights to take it as racially offensive?

Racial offense should be based on intent and not perception because that's when it gets really fuqed up.

[Denver]

Making a giant golliwog isn't racially motivated? Are you being ironic?

It is a bad tasted joke racial abuse is when you make deliberate slurs to hurt someone.

He made it for attention not to cause offence

[LukeB]

The ignorance in this thread :bored:

[Marsh.]

It is a bad tasted joke racial abuse is when you make deliberate slurs to hurt someone.

He made it for attention not to cause offence

That makes it completely ok and not at all racist then.

[Denver]

The racism card is overused in today's society try being black in the 50s and 60s then you will understand.

The more people say everything is racist the more irreverent it is.

Rasicm is the intent to offend with racial slurs

[Wizard.]

Making a giant golliwog isn't racially motivated? Are you being ironic?

How is it a gollywog? Does this look like a real reflection of a white person to you?

http://cdn.countrysidenetwork.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/10/iStock_000010954024_Medium.jpg

So now scarecrows have to be identical looking to humans or they're seen as mocking a race?

[Marsh.]

But if it were to be reversed and it was a white scarecrow dressed in Olympic clothing and he said "it looks like Rebecca Adlington" then what would be the harm in that? It can be offensive if the scarecrow is ugly and she doesn't want to be compared to an ugly scarecrow but just because it's a black scarecrow she has exclusive rights to take it as racially offensive?

Racial offense should be based on intent and not perception because that's when it gets really fuqed up.

But he hasn't spotted a funny looking scarecrow and thought it resembled someone.

He's made a golliwog and deliberately dressed it up in that clothing/flag to give it a link to a black celebrity. I'm not explaining it any further as it shouldn't need to be.

Unless you're genuinely completely oblivious?

[Marsh.]

How is it a gollywog? Does this look like a real reflection of a white person to you?

http://cdn.countrysidenetwork.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/10/iStock_000010954024_Medium.jpg

So now scarecrows have to be identical looking to humans or they're seen as mocking a race?

Who said that is a white person?

[Denver]

That makes it completely ok and not at all racist then.

It's just not in any shape of form racist.

It is clear he wants attention and everyone is giving it him if he was ignored he would disappear

[Wizard.]

The ignorance in this thread :bored:

No sweety the lack of common sense from people who try to pull the racist card is boring.

[Marsh.]

No sweety the lack of common sense from people who try to pull the racist card is boring.

You're actually a fool.

[Marsh.]

It's just not in any shape of form racist.

Yes. It is.

[T*]

One of the commenters in the damn Facebook post tells him that it will offend by asking him 'are you sure this is politically correct?'
It's racist. The person mentioned in it also thought it was racist.
Its really not that hard people.

[Denver]

Yes. It is.

Most black people would laugh it off as attention seeking stunt.

You will never know what true racism is until you have dealt with it personally

[T*]

Trying to defend him and excuse his actions is pointless anyway because it's clear what his intentions were, did you see his damn tweet :umm2:

[Denver]

Also the post is like 9 months old why is it being shared just now

[Wizard.]

Who said that is a white person?

You're saying because the scarecrow is black it is a gollywog which are racially derogatory dolls, that is because they do not represent how a black person really looks and the image mocks black features. But when creating a white scarecrow it doesn't have to fully represent white people's features and is therefore not a racially derogatory image. So what I am saying is because you would not say that a white scarecrow is offensive because it does not look like a white person then why should a black scarecrow be racist as it also does not look like a real black person.

[Denver]

Trying to defend him and excuse his actions is pointless anyway because it's clear what his intentions were, did you see his damn tweet :umm2:

Have you ever dealt with racism personally?

[Marsh.]

Most black people would laugh it off as attention seeking stunt.

Oh, right. Thank you for that little factoid.

I imagine a lot of people are capable of letting bigoted and offensive things wash over them and laugh it off, good for them it should never get them down, don't let the twats win. But that doesn't make it not bigoted and not racist.

[Marsh.]

You're saying because the scarecrow is black it is a gollywog which are racially derogatory dolls, that is because they do not represent how a black person really looks and the image mocks black features. But when creating a white scarecrow it doesn't have to fully represent white people's features and is therefore not a racially derogatory image. So what I am saying is because you would not say that a white scarecrow is offensive because it does not look like a white person then why should a black scarecrow be racist as it also does not look like a real black person.

LOOK at it. It's doing exactly that and he agrees as he directly responds to a woman asking him if it's politically correct with "I think it looks like Christine".

:rolleyes:

[Marsh.]

Also the post is like 9 months old why is it being shared just now

Because he's just been sacked for racist comments.

But then that too was obvious.

[Denver]

Because he's just been sacked for racist comments.

But then that too was obvious.

But it could have been dealt with before hand and does anyone actually have a link to the page

[Marsh.]

But it could have been dealt with before hand.

What could have?

[Wizard.]

LOOK at it. It's doing exactly that and he agrees as he directly responds to a woman asking him if it's politically correct with "I think it looks like Christine".

:rolleyes:

Yes but the only reason he has been sacked and that this has been perceived as racist is because he has made racist comments in addition to this, but I do not believe that this alone is racist. He is racist I have not denied that what I have been talking about is the scarecrow.

[T*]

Have you ever dealt with racism personally?
My personal experiences aren't relevant here, but keep reaching I guess, you keep jumping from one thing to the next 'oh it's not racist' 'oh people would just laugh it off' and then this. Messy.

[Marsh.]

Yes but the only reason he has been sacked and that this has been perceived as racist is because he has made racist comments in addition to this, but I do not believe that this alone is racist. He is racist I have not denied that what I have been talking about is the scarecrow.

Clearly not since the woman commenting on the photo did so at the time he posted it. And all of us here have only just seen it.

[Denver]

What could have?

Everything they could have investigated it but I'd like to know if it is a real post or a fake one

[Denver]

My personal experiences aren't relevant here but keep reaching I guess, you keep jumping from one thing to the next 'oh it's not racist' 'oh people would just laugh it off' and then this. Messy.

I've dealt with rasicm myself so I know what it actually is so come back when you have

[T*]

I've dealt with rasicm myself so I know what it actually is so come back when you have

I'll stay right here thanks.

[Marsh.]

You're saying because the scarecrow is black it is a gollywog which are racially derogatory dolls, that is because they do not represent how a black person really looks and the image mocks black features. But when creating a white scarecrow it doesn't have to fully represent white people's features and is therefore not a racially derogatory image.

So creating this with jet black material was a coincidence then? I suppose he ran out of potato sacks?

[Marsh.]

I've dealt with rasicm myself so I know what it actually is so come back when you have

And only your experiences matter and are regarded as the "real" issue. Ok.

[T*]

The person mentioned in the damn post finds it inappropriate and racist but I guess Adam says it's not so it's not guys, we better pack up and go home :sad:

[Wizard.]

So creating this with jet black material was a coincidence then? I suppose he ran out of potato sacks?

No maybe it was intentionally meant to look like a black Olympian, but I guess that's banned and only white ones are allowed. That's more racist than anything.

[Denver]

And only your experiences matter and are regarded as the "real" issue. Ok.

When did i say that?

What u dealt with us only a fraction of what my grandad dealt with when he moved to the UK in the 50s as a young lad.

I also live in an area that is full of black and Asian people and I've seen the chaos go off on them..

The way to stamp out racism is to not give it attention because it is generally the aim of the game to get a reaction.

I'm lucky I managed to live both sides because I get everything and I can tell full on racists to attention seekers looking for a quick reaction to get in the media.

Now this is the guys aim he knows he is getting elected so he is finding ways to get reality like a few other politicians in the past

[Marsh.]

No maybe it was intentionally meant to look like a black Olympian, but I guess that's banned and only white ones are allowed. That's more racist than anything.

Making a doll poking fun at the features of a black person, yes.

Took you a while but you got there in the end.

[LukeB]

he's taking the piss out of her for his own entertainment and he is a known racist too. It's offensive, people are offended, the person who it's aimed at is offended by it. I don't know why anyone is excusing it. The man is pure scum

[Marsh.]

When did i say that?

Here...

've dealt with rasicm myself so I know what it actually is so come back when you have

Suggesting only what you've experienced counts.

What u dealt with us only a fraction of what my grandad dealt with when he moved to the UK in the 50s as a young lad.

So? We don't sell black people into slavery anymore either, that's good. Does that mean racism doesn't exist or can't exist because "it used to be much worse". Really?

[Wizard.]

Making a doll poking fun at the features of a black person, yes.

Took you a while but you got there in the end.

Whatever. There was no poking fun, some people need to stop being warriors for things that don't concern them.

[Marsh.]

There was no poking fun.

Really? Because he himself seemed to find it hilarious.

Sorry, I'm not allowed to recognise racism. It doesn't concern me. Lmao.

[Denver]

Here...



Suggesting only what you've experienced counts.



So? We don't sell black people into slavery anymore either, that's good. Does that mean racism doesn't exist or can't exist because "it used to be much worse". Really?

Half of the stuff that are deemed racist these days are not

[Marsh.]

Half of the stuff that are deemed racist these days are not

That's not relevant. We're discussing a specific example here in this thread.

[Withano]

Most black people would laugh it off as attention seeking stunt.

You will never know what true racism is until you have dealt with it personally

Racism isnt a yes or no deal, its more of a scale, wouldnt you agree?
I think I can guess what you mean by "true racism"
But "true racism" doesnt detract from this being quite racist... or shouldnt anyway..
People are allowed to be upset over something thats inarguably, at the least, moderately racist, even if it doesnt compare to whatever you believe "true racism" to be.

[James]

Is the Facebook post definitely genuine then? It looks like it has been deleted but the person that was replied to in the comments is still on it, and does live in Warwickshire.

I only bring it up because after the Joshua-Klitschko fight someone on the Internet was able to fool thousands on social media - with a doctored photograph - into believing Jay-Z sat next to one of the Chuckle Brothers. An example of confirmation bias - if people want to believe something is true, they are more likely to do so.

[Tom4784]

It's always quite sad when people are more offended by an accusation of racism then the reason FOR the accusation. Those kind of people are on the wrong side of history.

[Toy Soldier]

believing Jay-Z sat next to one of the Chuckle Brothers. An example of confirmation bias - if people want to believe something is true, they are more likely to do so.

...... This has made my morning.

[Headie]

Jesus this thread :umm2:

[reece(:]

Oh girls....

https://abload.de/img/cryywzs3h.gif

[jaxie]

Whatever. There was no poking fun, some people need to stop being warriors for things that don't concern them.

Surely racism should concern everyone?

[jaxie]

Is the Facebook post definitely genuine then? It looks like it has been deleted but the person that was replied to in the comments is still on it, and does live in Warwickshire.

I only bring it up because after the Joshua-Klitschko fight someone on the Internet was able to fool thousands on social media - with a doctored photograph - into believing Jay-Z sat next to one of the Chuckle Brothers. An example of confirmation bias - if people want to believe something is true, they are more likely to do so.

I suppose it is feasible that this person doesn't even post their own Facebook messages. It has been known for people in the public eye to have some other person running their social media but under those circumstances it would be more to the point to apologise and explain than just take the post down. Whatever the intent offense was taken and so an apology should be given.

Now I'll have a ch ch chuckle vision theme ear worm all day! :fist:

I can see both sides of the discussion on this particular tweet and the image of the scarecrow but I do wonder if there was genuinely racist intent in the scarecrow or the remark. I don't know if people really consider intent before they get up in their grille about things like this. I say this because how could you make a scarecrow look another way that isn't a bit odd and home made scarecrow looking and does this mean that there can't be a black scarecrow in the competition at all in case it fulfils perception of offence? Isn't avoiding and excluding representation of any ethnicity that isn't white as bad? Was the Olympian mentioned in a derogatory way or because she is someone known and admired. Are you making an amateur effigy of someone you admire or mocking her. Was it made by kids who think of her as a hero? Would a white scarecrow look better in some way or be less offensive with the same features and dress. Would it still be offensive if Jessica Ennis was mentioned? Intent can be a complicated question but shouldn't be discounted.

[Kizzy]

Is the Facebook post definitely genuine then? It looks like it has been deleted but the person that was replied to in the comments is still on it, and does live in Warwickshire.

I only bring it up because after the Joshua-Klitschko fight someone on the Internet was able to fool thousands on social media - with a doctored photograph - into believing Jay-Z sat next to one of the Chuckle Brothers. An example of confirmation bias - if people want to believe something is true, they are more likely to do so.

A. He hasn't denied it.

B. He's deleted his twitter.

[Northern Monkey]

I suppose it is feasible that this person doesn't even post their own Facebook messages. It has been known for people in the public eye to have some other person running their social media but under those circumstances it would be more to the point to apologise and explain than just take the post down. Whatever the intent offense was taken and so an apology should be given.

Now I'll have a ch ch chuckle vision theme ear worm all day! :fist:

I can see both sides of the discussion on this particular tweet and the image of the scarecrow but I do wonder if there was genuinely racist intent in the scarecrow or the remark. I don't know if people really consider intent before they get up in their grille about things like this. I say this because how could you make a scarecrow look another way that isn't a bit odd and home made scarecrow looking and does this mean that there can't be a black scarecrow in the competition at all in case it fulfils perception of offence? Isn't avoiding and excluding representation of any ethnicity that isn't white as bad? Was the Olympian mentioned in a derogatory way or because she is someone known and admired. Are you making an amateur effigy of someone you admire or mocking her. Was it made by kids who think of her as a hero? Would a white scarecrow look better in some way or be less offensive with the same features and dress. Would it still be offensive if Jessica Ennis was mentioned? Intent can be a complicated question but shouldn't be discounted.And this is my point.
To avoid making a celebrity scarecrow of a black person would be treating black People differently and racist in itself.I thought we were all striving to treat everyone equally?

Now what is more likely?
A judge and councillor in the public eye deliberately made a golliwog and posted it on his own Twitter

Or

He made a **** scarecrow for a competition and after his xenophobic Eurovision Tweet someone went through his old Tweets and thought 'ooh that looks like it could be racist' and used it as a stick to beat an evil Tory?

There is the question.
It could've been deliberate but I'm reluctant to just shout racism at everything without knowing the context.I think you need to look at things on a case by case basis.

[UserSince2005]

tbh how could you mistake that for Christine Ohuruogu. Christine Ohuruogu hasnt worn a union jack in celebration in like 10 years.

[the truth]

People need to stop taking things to heart nothing racist about it at all and if it was the other way round nobody would bat an eyelid

they did nude trump statues all over usa. but the hypocritical liberals werent offended ,they built it

[Toy Soldier]

they did nude try. P statues all over usa liberals were t offended . they built it

Call an engineer, Truth is malfunctioning.

[Livia]

So long as it doesn't look Jewish.

[Marsh.]

He made a **** scarecrow for a competition and after his xenophobic Eurovision Tweet someone went through his old Tweets and thought 'ooh that looks like it could be racist' and used it as a stick to beat an evil Tory?


It was seen for the racist crap that it is back when it was posted. He didn't deny it then either.

[Beso]

Hopefully it scares all those blackbirds away.

[ebandit]

...........on my cycle rides /rambles i see less and less scarecrows year on year

...........and i've never seen a black one..................shocking!

Mark L