What the hell is Labour's Brexit policy?

[Brillopad]

http://www.politics.co.uk/blogs/2017/05/16/what-the-hell-is-labour-s-brexit-policy-part-1-467

It doesn't actually appear to have one - or indeed one it is prepared to be honest about.

[Livia]

Doesn't matter, really. Their Brexit policy could be that w'ere going to tie helium balloons all around the coast and float Britain further away from Europe. They're never going to be in a position to have to implement it.

[Brillopad]

Doesn't matter, really. Their Brexit policy could be that w'ere going to tie helium balloons all around the coast and float Britain further away from Europe. They're never going to be in a position to have to implement it.

:hee:

[Kizzy]

Don't count your chickens.... Remember trump?

[Livia]

Corbyn is not as popular with the people as Trump... which speaks volumes in itself.

[DemolitionRed]

Some of Bernie Sanders campaign team are now assisting and advising the British Labour party. Pfft you may say. Bernie Sanders didn't do so well in America!

Bernie Sanders, a relatively unknown presidential candidate before 2016, appeared on 57 ballots and gained a whopping 23 states in the first primary. How did this man gain such huge popularity... was it because he had one hell of a campaign team?

[Brillopad]

Some of Bernie Sanders campaign team are now assisting and advising the British Labour party. Pfft you may say. Bernie Sanders didn't do so well in America!

Bernie Sanders, a relatively unknown presidential candidate before 2016, appeared on 57 ballots and gained a whopping 23 states in the first primary. How did this man gain such huge popularity... was it because he had one hell of a campaign team?

Shame that the Labour Party need such support. What does that say about the standard of British Labour Party politicians and campaign teams? Don't quite cut the mustard putting it mildly.

[Kizzy]

Corbyn is not as popular with the people as Trump... which speaks volumes in itself.

It does it shows there are more idiots around than I thought. Hopefully there aren't as many here and more see through this tory omnishambles of an election campaign.

[Brillopad]

It does it shows there are more idiots around than I thought. Hopefully there aren't as many here and more see through this tory omnishambles of an election campaign.

What is clear is that his manifesto is not as open and honest as he implies. Why not I wonder - couldn't be he has something to hide perhaps!

[Kizzy]

What is clear is that his manifesto is not as open and honest as he implies. Why not I wonder - couldn't be he has something to hide perhaps!

Something to hide?... He has been shouting what he intends to do from the rooftops up and down the country, where was May? waffling on about bins on the one show!! :laugh:

[DemolitionRed]

Shame that the Labour Party need such support. What does that say about the standard of British Labour Party politicians and campaign teams? Don't quite cut the mustard putting it mildly.

And we could ask, why doesn't Corbyn get invited on to BBC chat shows with pre-prepared questions. Did you see "The One Show" last night? It was the easiest interview ever but May managed to misjudge pretty much all of it. Why are Labour always expected to work off the hoof with non-scripted questions and answers, whilst the Tories get to do the "cuddle interviews?

[DemolitionRed]

What is clear is that his manifesto is not as open and honest as he implies. Why not I wonder - couldn't be he has something to hide perhaps!

Its very easy to give a reply like this but if you are so knowledgable about this statement, then please tell us all, why it is clear?

I look forward to your informative response.

[Brillopad]

And we could ask, why doesn't Corbyn get invited on to BBC chat shows with pre-prepared questions. Did you see "The One Show" last night? It was the easiest interview ever but May managed to misjudge pretty much all of it. Why are Labour always expected to work off the hoof with non-scripted questions and answers, whilst the Tories get to do the "cuddle interviews?

I didn't see it so difficult to comment. I don't even know if there is any substance to your comments, other than personal opinion.

[DemolitionRed]

I didn't see it so difficult to comment. I don't even know if there is any substance to your comments, other than personal opinion.

I'm sure if you'd seen it you would disagree and that's ok. What I saw (and yes, this is my personal opinion) was an idea that backfired terribly. She appears to have given up on being part of the Conservative Party and is presenting herself as a "strong and stable" Presidential Candidate. She came across as strange, out of touch and "weird and wobbly". It was like listening to an "Apprentice" candidate bigging herself up.

I respected May when she was Home Secretary but as La Presidenta she is sadly lacking.

And she thinks she has what it takes to negotiate Brexit? What a joke!

[Toy Soldier]

What the hell is the Tory Brexit policy?

[Kizzy]

TS... Don't play dumb... It's BREXIT! brexit means BREXIT.

[Tom4784]

Brexit is irrelevant, it is white noise. This election is about whether or not you want the NHS to survive. All other points are irrelevant in comparison because this issue is the one that will cost lives if handled wrong.

Brexit will happen either way and, tbh, you're more likely going to get the kind of Brexit you want with Corbyn's government then May's who has already shown she folds quite easily.

[Livia]

It does it shows there are more idiots around than I thought. Hopefully there aren't as many here and more see through this tory omnishambles of an election campaign.

Ah well, if only everyone was as intelligent and enlightened as you, eh?

[smudgie]

As much as I have seen is that there will be no cap on freedom of movement.:shrug:

[Kizzy]

Ah well, if only everyone was as intelligent and enlightened as you, eh?

I know! If only :(

[Brillopad]

Its very easy to give a reply like this but if you are so knowledgable about this statement, then please tell us all, why it is clear?

I look forward to your informative response.

I bet you do - to attempt to rip it to pieces no less. Unless any of us on here are claiming to be political experts our comments are based on personal opinion and/or posting articles from well informed sorces which is what I did.

So rip away if you believe you can. At best all you can do is post another informed well source that says differently. I await your informed source with interest.

[Kizzy]

I bet you do - to attempt to rip it to pieces no less. Unless any of us on here are claiming to be political experts our comments are based on personal opinion and/or posting articles from well informed sorces which is what I did.

So rip away if you believe you can. At best all you can do is post another informed well source that says differently. I await your informed source with interest.

Two blokes have wrote a blog called politics .co .uk... is this your well informed source?

How is their opinion any more valid than DRs?

[joeysteele]

Brexit is irrelevant, it is white noise. This election is about whether or not you want the NHS to survive. All other points are irrelevant in comparison because this issue is the one that will cost lives if handled wrong.

Brexit will happen either way and, tbh, you're more likely going to get the kind of Brexit you want with Corbyn's government then May's who has already shown she folds quite easily.


Absolutely right again.

I also agree with TS too asking what exactly is the Cons brexit policy.

[DemolitionRed]

I bet you do - to attempt to rip it to pieces no less. Unless any of us on here are claiming to be political experts our comments are based on personal opinion and/or posting articles from well informed sorces which is what I did.

So rip away if you believe you can. At best all you can do is post another informed well source that says differently. I await your informed source with interest.


When two people disagree on a topic, that's in principal a factual matter, but in practise rather subjective to interpretation, there are a few possibilities. They know more than you, you know more than them, their brain doesn't work, or your brain doesn't work. Nobody ever assumes the last one!!

[Brillopad]

Brexit is irrelevant, it is white noise. This election is about whether or not you want the NHS to survive. All other points are irrelevant in comparison because this issue is the one that will cost lives if handled wrong.

Brexit will happen either way and, tbh, you're more likely going to get the kind of Brexit you want with Corbyn's government then May's who has already shown she folds quite easily.

Out of interest Dezzy have you read up about the EU and their Transatlantic Trade & Investment Partnership, which is irreversible, CETA and TiSA which are policies based on privatisation of public services including health. The EU would have privatised the NHS sooner or later. So you see the NHS is not an issue as privatisation is inevitable in the EU.

[Tom4784]

Out of interest Dezzy have you read up about the EU and their Transatlantic Trade & Investment Partnership, which is irreversible, CETA and TiSA which are policies based on privatisation of public services including health. The EU would have privatised the NHS sooner or later. So you see the NHS is not an issue as privatisation is inevitable in the EU.

This is completely irrelevant to anything I said in that post.

[jaxie]

Doesn't matter, really. Their Brexit policy could be that w'ere going to tie helium balloons all around the coast and float Britain further away from Europe. They're never going to be in a position to have to implement it.

You made me choke on my OJ! :laugh:

[Brillopad]

This is completely irrelevant to anything I said in that post.

Bearing in mind that your post was going on about the importance of the NHS - that is an odd comment.

[Tom4784]

Bearing in mind that your post was going on about the importance of the NHS - that is an odd comment.

You mentioned an incorrect assumption about the EU that is no longer relevant because we are leaving the EU. As I've said before, white noise.

[Brillopad]

You mentioned an incorrect assumption about the EU that is no longer relevant because we are leaving the EU. As I've said before, white noise.

Getting a bit obsessed with white and black these days aren't you. Would it be ok to keep referring to allegations of racism as black noise.

[Withano]

Getting a bit obsessed with white and black these days aren't you. Would it be ok to keep referring to allegations of racism as black noise.

You honestly baffle me

[Brillopad]

You honestly baffle me

Enlighten me! I

[Denver]

Is anybody surprised? Labour is full of unprofessional who dont have a clue

[DemolitionRed]

Out of interest Dezzy have you read up about the EU and their Transatlantic Trade & Investment Partnership, which is irreversible, CETA and TiSA which are policies based on privatisation of public services including health. The EU would have privatised the NHS sooner or later. So you see the NHS is not an issue as privatisation is inevitable in the EU.

I think that between us, we are pretty well versed on TTIP. It allows the U.S to bid on state run contracts. Most EU countries opted out of auctioning off their medical systems and you probably aren't aware that the EU gave them the power to do this. Cameron, on the other hand decided our NHS was not off limits to the Americans.

You do know that Trump has stated he will make a trade deal with the Uk? Do you think it will be a nice gentle fair-handed reciprocal deal or an opportunistic ruthless agreement forced upon the weaker partner (the UK) that will maximise opportunities for American business? Just because he won't call the deal a TTIP doesn't mean that it won't resemble a TTIP in every detail.

When May was in Washington she had long talks with John Kerry about a similar deal but thus far, she's keeping the secrets of that deal close to her chest.

I would bet on what some of this deal entails.
The auctioning off of the NHS.
The loss of environmental issues.
No more government funding for climate control.
Beef washed in lactic acid and chickens fed on organic arsenic and washed in chloride. Meat laced with hormones and ractopamine tainted meat. Since 1998, more than 1,700 people across America have been "poisoned" from eating this meat.
Bromine in our drinks. Known to depress both the central nervous system and our reproductive system.
Artificial food colourings that are known to have damaging affects on children.
Bromide in our flour, which is know to cause thyroid problems.
Olean, in our fat free products which has been proven to cause massive weight gain.
Butylated hydroxyanisole & butylated hydroxytoluene in our butter, beer, cereals and baby food. Known to cause mood swing and hyperactivity conditions.
rBGH in our dairy produce. Know to be not safe for human consumption.

Labour, Lib Dems, The Green Party and UKIP are adamantly against this type of deal with America. The Conservatives are all for it.

[Northern Monkey]

Getting a bit obsessed with white and black these days aren't you.Would it be ok to keep referring to allegations of racism as black noise.

You honestly baffle me

This made my day :laugh:

[Tom4784]

Getting a bit obsessed with white and black these days aren't you. Would it be ok to keep referring to allegations of racism as black noise.

Take a look, folks. This is what happens when you're more concerned with trying to get one over on someone than forming coherent arguments.

[Kizzy]

Getting a bit obsessed with white and black these days aren't you. Would it be ok to keep referring to allegations of racism as black noise.

Only if I can call every mention of 'PC' bigotnoise.

[Brillopad]

Take a look, folks. This is what happens when you're more concerned with trying to get one over on someone than forming coherent arguments.

Not at all. I Think it's a valid point which you failed to answer. The use of the term 'white noise' is clearly quite inflammatory with derogatoy connotations and the use of the opposite terminology no doubt would have been considered offensive by many. The old double standard in my opinion.

[Withano]

:facepalm:

[Brillopad]

:facepalm:

:wavey:

[Tom4784]

Not at all. I Think it's a valid point which you failed to answer. The use of the term 'white noise' is clearly quite inflammatory with derogatoy connotations and the use of the opposite terminology no doubt would have been considered offensive by many. The old double standard in my opinion.

http://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/wp-content/uploads/2016/11/snowflake.jpg

[Brillopad]

http://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/wp-content/uploads/2016/11/snowflake.jpg

And you talk about me allegedly trying to get one up on you. Pot and kettle.

If I took it the wrong way, which I doubt, it would have come from experience of our past encounters.

However I don't feel the need to respond with large pikkies of snowflakes. Where is that roll-eyes smilie.

[Toy Soldier]

"We are going to have a Brexit. It is a real Brexit... a really great, great Brexit. I make all of the best Brexits." - Theresa May

[Withano]

And you talk about me allegedly trying to get one up on you. Pot and kettle.

If I took it the wrong way, which I doubt, it would have come from experience of our past encounters.

However I don't feel the need to respond with large pikkies of snowflakes. Where is that roll-eyes smilie.

The point is whitenoise has an actual dictionary definition, as does whitewash, blacklist, and blackmail
These words dont have racial implications, to suggest otherwise is super-snowflakey. Probably the most PC thing anybody has ever said on tibb lol.
Did you think whitenoise was a noise white people made when they complained about immigration or something?

[Toy Soldier]

PMSL at Brillo thinking that "white noise" meant "white people making noise" btw. Made my day that one :joker:.

[Brillopad]

PMSL at Brillo thinking that "white noise" meant "white people making noise" btw. Made my day that one :joker:.

Glad it brightened your day!

[Kizzy]

Not at all. I Think it's a valid point which you failed to answer. The use of the term 'white noise' is clearly quite inflammatory with derogatoy connotations and the use of the opposite terminology no doubt would have been considered offensive by many. The old double standard in my opinion.

Are you offended by it?

[Brillopad]

Are you offended by it?

I would only be offended if there was a double standard involved. As you may of noticed I don't like double standards.