Lib Dems reveal Manifesto - Legalising Weed & Remaining in the EU

[Wizard.]

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/election-2017-39942573

[Wizard.]

They promise to legalise cannabis and tax it which will generate £1 billion in revenue.

Sis people will still buy it from dealers in order to avoid paying tax so you dumb.

[Tom4784]

They've got a focus on the NHS so that's what really matters but the policies listed here are pretty good aside from the EU stuff, people voted for that ****show so I demand they must suffer the consequences of it. No get out of jail free card for people who regret their decision.

[Mystic Mock]

Is it just me that would be interested to see how this all played out in execution?:laugh:

[Withano]

Probably would have voted for them if constituency voting wasnt a thing. I have to choose between labour and tory in my constituency, and its a no-brainer.

[jaxie]

Legalising weed, well there goes the next generation in a haze of smoke!

[Denver]

Anyone who tried to stop Brexit would turn the UK into a war zone.

We are not Ireland we dont keep going till they get the result they want

[Brillopad]

Legalising weed, well there goes the next generation in a haze of smoke!

Christ - that stuff stinks - will never get the attraction. Why so many youngsters want to live in a semi-permanent haze is beyond me - might explain why so many were anti-Brexit - I believe it makes them paranoid. :hee:

[Wizard.]

I didn't think it was possible to have worse policies than Labour but I'd vote Labour before i voted for this joke.

[Tom4784]

Christ - that stuff stinks - will never get the attraction. Why so many youngsters want to live in a semi-permanent haze is beyond me - might explain why so many were anti-Brexit - I believe it makes them paranoid. :hee:

It's healthier than alcohol or smoking, has benefits for creativity and brain function, it can kill cancer cells and it can improve athletic ability. but sure, go ahead with your wild generalisations that are ultimately hypocritical because you'd cry foul if anyone made out that the leaver camp was filled with old alcholics with addled brains and livers despite the fact that it's what you are doing here.

[Withano]

Anyone who tried to stop Brexit would turn the UK into a war zone.

We are not Ireland we dont keep going till they get the result they want

Are brexiteers violent enough to start a war?

[Kazanne]

One of their ministers was roasted this morning over their leaders belief that abortion is wrong,Piers Morgan chewed him up and spat him out,as he could not answer the question properly about the parties stance on abortion and their leaders who is against it at all.

[Denver]

Are brexiteers violent enough to start a war?

It is more of the fact we are not a communist country we the people decide what is best not the government

[jaxie]

It's healthier than alcohol or smoking, has benefits for creativity and brain function, it can kill cancer cells and it can improve athletic ability. but sure, go ahead with your wild generalisations that are ultimately hypocritical because you'd cry foul if anyone made out that the leaver camp was filled with old alcholics with addled brains and livers despite the fact that it's what you are doing here.

I know of someone who smoked a lot of weed and was so fuddled in the head they killed a pet kitten by standing on it's head while they were out of their head. It wasn't deliberate, it was an accident, but it still makes me sick to think of it and the person who did it has struggled to come to terms with it. So no, there aren't always benefits to it. Drugs are dangerous and if cannibis is ever legalised it should be only for medical use and strictly supervised.

[Brillopad]

I know of someone who smoked a lot of weed and was so fuddled in the head they killed a pet kitten by standing on it's head while they were out of their head. It wasn't deliberate, it was an accident, but it still makes me sick to think of it and the person who did it has struggled to come to terms with it. So no, there aren't always benefits to it.

Isn't the production of skunk a much stronger form that is doing much more damage.

Not much point I worrying about physical issues such as cancer if people are going to suffer with long term mental health issues including dementia. The dementia may well get them first.

[DemolitionRed]

They promise to legalise cannabis and tax it which will generate £1 billion in revenue.

Sis people will still buy it from dealers in order to avoid paying tax so you dumb.

I disagree. Cannabis from dealers comes without a guarantee of quality, so you could buy 3.5g for £50 and get a really bad cut. If its commercialized, quality control will have to ensure that every batch sent out has to live up to its price.

The cost of commercial cannabis, even with added tax, is going to be considerably lower than what we presently pay.

[Jack_]

I know of someone who smoked a lot of weed and was so fuddled in the head they killed a pet kitten by standing on it's head while they were out of their head. It wasn't deliberate, it was an accident, but it still makes me sick to think of it and the person who did it has struggled to come to terms with it. So no, there aren't always benefits to it. Drugs are dangerous and if cannibis is ever legalised it should be only for medical use and strictly supervised.

For every anecdote like that, there's about a hundred that pertain to someone intoxicated on alcohol. Maybe we should all supervised whilst we have a drink? Perhaps we could just ban it altogether? Ah, but that isn't going to happen because it's so ingrained within our culture, despite the fact it's far more damaging than weed.

People who are against the legalisation of cannabis are on the wrong side of history. The tide is quite rightly turning in many western countries. Britain isn't progressive enough yet for either the Tories or Labour to campaign on its legalisation for recreational use - in fact I think it'd be electoral suicide - but I give it twenty years before this is no longer a debate, but reality.

[Niamh.]

For every anecdote like that, there's about a hundred that pertain to someone intoxicated on alcohol. Maybe we should all supervised whilst we have a drink? Perhaps we could just ban it altogether? Ah, but that isn't going to happen because it's so ingrained within our culture, despite the fact it's far more damaging than weed.

People who are against the legalisation of cannabis are on the wrong side of history. The tide is quite rightly turning in many western countries. Britain isn't progressive enough yet for either the Tories or Labour to campaign on its legalisation for recreational use - in fact I think it'd be electoral suicide - but I give it twenty years before this is no longer a debate, but reality.

This is so true, except there's a stronger chance that whatever stupid thing that happened while you were drunk wasn't actually an accident, just seemed like a good idea in the drunken haze. Alcohol changes personalities far more drastically than smoking weed does in my experience

[jaxie]

For every anecdote like that, there's about a hundred that pertain to someone intoxicated on alcohol. Maybe we should all supervised whilst we have a drink? Perhaps we could just ban it altogether? Ah, but that isn't going to happen because it's so ingrained within our culture, despite the fact it's far more damaging than weed.

People who are against the legalisation of cannabis are on the wrong side of history. The tide is quite rightly turning in many western countries. Britain isn't progressive enough yet for either the Tories or Labour to campaign on its legalisation for recreational use - in fact I think it'd be electoral suicide - but I give it twenty years before this is no longer a debate, but reality.

Coming from a home with an alcoholic parent, I'm inclined to agree that maybe we should.

[Niamh.]

Coming from a home with an alcoholic parent, I'm inclined to agree that maybe we should.

Nanny state springs to mind here Jaxie

[jaxie]

Nanny state springs to mind here Jaxie

Ah but the lives that suffer.

[Jack_]

This is so true, except there's a stronger chance that whatever stupid thing that happened while you were drunk wasn't actually an accident, just seemed like a good idea in the drunken haze. Alcohol changes personalities far more drastically than smoking weed does in my experience

Absolutely, you're more likely to fall victim to an assault from someone who's drunk than someone who's high

Coming from a home with an alcoholic parent, I'm inclined to agree that maybe we should.

And that's perfectly understandable, my point is however is that since alcohol is a far more damaging drug - both physically and socially - than weed, it makes very little sense to oppose the legalisation of the latter, but not care as much about the former. Evidently given your experience this doesn't apply to you, which is fine, but what I'd then say is that since alcohol is certainly not going to be criminalised anytime soon, I see very little reason why cannabis shouldn't be legalised too. The positives far outweigh the benefits.

[DemolitionRed]

Of course cannabis smokers get paranoid. They are doing something illegal!

Seriously though, this has worked well for Holland and 8 states in America.

[Greg!]

I will never ever ever support the Lib Dems unless they apologise for putting the tories into government and promise to never do it again.

[Tom4784]

I know of someone who smoked a lot of weed and was so fuddled in the head they killed a pet kitten by standing on it's head while they were out of their head. It wasn't deliberate, it was an accident, but it still makes me sick to think of it and the person who did it has struggled to come to terms with it. So no, there aren't always benefits to it. Drugs are dangerous and if cannibis is ever legalised it should be only for medical use and strictly supervised.

Sounds like a bad batch to me, something that wouldn't really be an issue if legalised since production would become standardised and controlled.

Your argument is quite weak if you aren't willing to acknowledge that alcohol and cigerettes are far more dangerous. There's more violent incidents when it comes to alcohol and both cost the NHS millions in long term treatment for liver and lung related illnesses.

Cannabis is far more safer than alcohol and cigerettes, the only difference between them was that the former was made illegal purely for political motivations rather than health and safety related reasons which would now be void given the vast amounts of research which support the fact that Cannabis is safer to consume than it's ilk and offers a crap ton of health benefits.

[Tom4784]

Isn't the production of skunk a much stronger form that is doing much more damage.

Not much point I worrying about physical issues such as cancer if people are going to suffer with long term mental health issues including dementia. The dementia may well get them first.

Again, if you legalise it you can remove the risk of tainted batches by introducing standards and regulations regarding it's production. Cannabis as a whole is dramatically safer than the legal alternatives such as alcohol.

To use fringe cases as an argument against legalising it when they wouldn't exist if it was legalised is quite silly.

[Withano]

It is more of the fact we are not a communist country we the people decide what is best not the government

But in this highly hypothetical situation, if libdems win, then the people would have democratically voted for brexit to be revoked? So why would they start a war over democracy?

[reece(:]

Cannabis queens :clap1:

[Niamh.]

Ah but the lives that suffer.

Alcoholism is awful of course but you can't supervise every person that wants to have a drink just because some people become addicts

[Northern Monkey]

I disagree. Cannabis from dealers comes without a guarantee of quality, so you could buy 3.5g for £50 and get a really bad cut. If its commercialized, quality control will have to ensure that every batch sent out has to live up to its price.

The cost of commercial cannabis, even with added tax, is going to be considerably lower than what we presently pay.

Jesus Christ the prices have gone up since i used to smoke it.
Used to be £15 an eighth or £20/25 for skunk.

[Beso]

Will we still get tic?

[Alf]

Sounds like a bad batch to me, something that wouldn't really be an issue if legalised since production would become standardised and controlled.

Your argument is quite weak if you aren't willing to acknowledge that alcohol and cigerettes are far more dangerous. There's more violent incidents when it comes to alcohol and both cost the NHS millions in long term treatment for liver and lung related illnesses.

Cannabis is far more safer than alcohol and cigerettes, the only difference between them was that the former was made illegal purely for political motivations rather than health and safety related reasons which would now be void given the vast amounts of research which support the fact that Cannabis is safer to consume than it's ilk and offers a crap ton of health benefits.Well thanks for the diagnosis, but the only physician I listen to, is Dr Feelgood.

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[Brillopad]

Well thanks for the diagnosis, but the only physician I listen to, is Dr Feelgood.

Yp2DvPKh118

You can't beat a good bit of nostalgia - especially music.

[DemolitionRed]

Jesus Christ the prices have gone up since i used to smoke it.
Used to be £15 an eighth or £20/25 for skunk.

I know, its crazy but there's nothing to stabilise the market. The numbers of people smoking cannabis is huge in relation to the amount that can be made in this country. Once its regulated, the price will drop dramatically and people will be able to purchase a better standard of cannabis leaf.

I say "leaf" because I don't think we should be legalizing skunk.

[Denver]

But in this highly hypothetical situation, if libdems win, then the people would have democratically voted for brexit to be revoked? So why would they start a war over democracy?

Doesnt work like that plus nobody sane would vote for the sheep

[arista]

Anyone who tried to stop Brexit would turn the UK into a war zone.

We are not Ireland we dont keep going till they get the result they want


Bang On Right Adam

[Withano]

Doesnt work like that plus nobody sane would vote for the sheep

Thats exactly how it worked in your hypothetical situation that lead to brexiteers starting a war :shrug: