Think Ill vote labour because....

[the truth]

I dont think they can or will win...I think the party stinks to the high heavens and new labour was pure evil...The sums probably wont add up either...But at least corbyn is trying to change things. he is a genuine socialist.
They wont be able to afford their plans, they will scare some fat cats out of town.....theyre in the middle of a labour v new labour civil war. their political correct agenda was brainless and really vile to accuse all opponents of racism
BUT.....corbyn may be worth a punt as a maverick to shake things up a bit

Because corbyn is targetting the corporations and their bosses...We have brexit already so we can leave the corrupt corporate cartel

Hes talking about wealth redistribution too , thats another tick

england especially is a basket place economically, the average wage is a joke and the average wage is £38k is totally irrelevant as its exaggerated by the multi billionaire wages of the elite 0.001% in london

House prices are insane ...hes right to semi nationalise the utilities, the stining corrupt BT and either semi renationalise the trains or throw a load of regulation at it

pretty much another anti establishment vote again

[Kizzy]

Well done truth :)

[DemolitionRed]

:cheer2:

[Northern Monkey]

I'm with you.I think i'm going with Labour too.I think.
There are a few fundamental things that have always put me off Corbyn and alot i like but he's too far left for me and i can't fecking stand abbott!
However the manifesto has put my mind at ease slightly on the Trident issue and i also think i read somewhere that they'll accept an end to free movement.
I like the renationalation ideas too.The election is about more than just Brexit.
One thing i've never done and never will is vote Tory so I wasn't going to vote at all but i do feel i can hold my nose and vote Corbyn on this manifesto.
I do know that it's a wasted vote.For one he's got no chance and two my vote won't matter anyway as i'm in a Labour stronghold.

[Kizzy]

I'm with you.I think i'm going with Labour too.I think.
There are a few fundamental things that have always put me off Corbyn and alot i like but he's too far left for me and i can't fecking stand abbott!
However the manifesto has put my mind at ease slightly on the Trident issue and i also think i read somewhere that they'll accept an end to free movement.
I like the renationalation ideas too.The election is about more than just Brexit.
One thing i've never done and never will is vote Tory so I wasn't going to vote at all but i do feel i can hold my nose and vote Corbyn on this manifesto.
I do know that it's a wasted vote.For one he's got no chance and two my vote won't matter anyway as i'm in a Labour stronghold.

OMG!!! I am so proud of you NM!! * VIRTUAL SNOGS*

[Brillopad]

I'm with you.I think i'm going with Labour too.I think.
There are a few fundamental things that have always put me off Corbyn and alot i like but he's too far left for me and i can't fecking stand abbott!
However the manifesto has put my mind at ease slightly on the Trident issue and i also think i read somewhere that they'll accept an end to free movement.
I like the renationalation ideas too.The election is about more than just Brexit.
One thing i've never done and never will is vote Tory so I wasn't going to vote at all but i do feel i can hold my nose and vote Corbyn on this manifesto.
I do know that it's a wasted vote.For one he's got no chance and two my vote won't matter anyway as i'm in a Labour stronghold.

You may have seen this, but just in case you haven't.

http://www.politics.co.uk/blogs/2017/05/16/what-the-hell-is-labour-s-brexit-policy-part-1-467

[Shaun]

Can we offer Kizzy on a rope to any undecided male voters on this forum? Anything for Jezza :clap1:

[Denver]

Can we offer Kizzy on a rope to any undecided male voters on this forum? Anything for Jezza :clap1:

I would rather stick the the Tories thanks

[jaxie]

It's a shame there aren't better choices, but I just can't with Labour. I don't believe they are capable of running the country at this time. I think the leader is weak and I can't stand Diane Hypocrasy Abbot!

I do believe everyone should vote so I commend you Truth and NM for being able to make up your minds.

[Northern Monkey]

Lol

[Brillopad]

It's a shame there aren't better choices, but I just can't with Labour. I don't believe they are capable of running the country at this time. I think the leader is weak and I can't stand Diane Hypocrasy Abbot!

I do believe everyone should vote so I commend you Truth and NM for being able to make up your minds.

Does anyone actually like Diane Abbot I wonder.

[Northern Monkey]

You may have seen this, but just in case you haven't.

http://www.politics.co.uk/blogs/2017/05/16/what-the-hell-is-labour-s-brexit-policy-part-1-467

Yeah they are hardly "Strong and stable" on the Brexit issue but they atleast accept that it's happening unlike the Libs.

[Northern Monkey]

Does anyone actually like Diane Abbot I wonder.

Awful woman.She is a curse for Labour.They would do well to be rid.

[jaxie]

Does anyone actually like Diane Abbot I wonder.

It's the patronising voice/attitude I think.

[the truth]

Abbott MUST go

[MTVN]

Abbot has more integrity and honesty in her little finger than Corbyn does

[Denver]

Labour needs to go fullstop

[Glenn.]

Labour had its chance to run this country and failed disastrously. Let's leave it to the abled

[UserSince2005]

Messy thread, let's just all agree not to vote labour

[Black Dagger]

Labour needs to go fullstop

Labour had its chance to run this country and failed disastrously. Let's leave it to the abled

Messy thread, let's just all agree not to vote labour

No.

[Withano]

Labour needs to go to number 10 fullstop

:clap1:

[Glenn.]

I'm sorry but anyone who believes Labour did a good job when it was in government needs to love themselves

[Black Dagger]

If you think Theresa won't ruin the country herself that's on you hun.

[Denver]

Theresa will make Britain Great again

[Black Dagger]

Did you get that off a cereal box?

[Denver]

She is the new Churchill

[Glenn.]

If you think Theresa won't ruin the country herself that's on you hun.

Can only give it a try. Labour failed to do it properly so they can't do it :shrug:

[Brillopad]

Can only give it a try. Labour failed to do it properly so they can't do it :shrug:

I like your logic.

[DemolitionRed]

I'm sorry but anyone who believes Labour did a good job when it was in government needs to love themselves

Hmm, well Labour did set up the NHS. They did bring us the minimum wage and brought in family tax credit for the working poor. Labour put together trade unions to give people like you and me a voice and later repealed anti-trade union legislation. Oh and they banned fox hunting.

They've done some pretty crap things too. Going to war in Iraq was one of them but then I never thought of Blair as Labour. I mean, if he'd gone any further right he would of ended up in Thatchers back passage.

[Kizzy]

Because chunky mark wants us to!!

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[MTVN]

Hmm, well Labour did set up the NHS. They did bring us the minimum wage and brought in family tax credit for the working poor. Labour put together trade unions to give people like you and me a voice and later repealed anti-trade union legislation. Oh and they banned fox hunting.

They've done some pretty crap things too. Going to war in Iraq was one of them but then I never thought of Blair as Labour. I mean, if he'd gone any further right he would of ended up in Thatchers back passage.

Well Blair was the one who introduced the minimum wage (and who banned fox hunting for that matter)

Edit - and tax credits actually

[DemolitionRed]

Can only give it a try. Labour failed to do it properly so they can't do it :shrug:

Forget the old New Labour because what Labour is now, is very different to anything we have ever seen in our lifetime. What makes you pro Tory and what makes you despise Corbyn?

[Scarlett.]

I'm voting Labour because

A) My local Tory MP is a twat
B) Because I believe in Corbyn, he is a man who sticks to his beliefs, even if they aren't going to win him votes, he is the first politician that I believe in. Yeah, he ain't perfect, but he's better than strong and unstable May.

[DemolitionRed]

I'm with you.I think i'm going with Labour too.I think.
There are a few fundamental things that have always put me off Corbyn and alot i like but he's too far left for me and i can't fecking stand abbott!
However the manifesto has put my mind at ease slightly on the Trident issue and i also think i read somewhere that they'll accept an end to free movement.
I like the renationalation ideas too.The election is about more than just Brexit.
One thing i've never done and never will is vote Tory so I wasn't going to vote at all but i do feel i can hold my nose and vote Corbyn on this manifesto.
I do know that it's a wasted vote.For one he's got no chance and two my vote won't matter anyway as i'm in a Labour stronghold.

I can't say I'm surprised. You often come across as an independent thinker.

My biggest swing for Labour is how they plan to balance the budget. It appears that many leading economists are very excited about how the Labour party plan to be self funding, which means, everything they promise in their manifesto can happen without putting the country in debt.

[King Gizzard]

Man like Jeremy

[waterhog]

I think I will vote labour because ? I have not taken my medication.

[Brillopad]

I'm voting Labour because

A) My local Tory MP is a twat
B) Because I believe in Corbyn, he is a man who sticks to his beliefs, even if they aren't going to win him votes, he is the first politician that I believe in. Yeah, he ain't perfect, but he's better than strong and unstable May.

This isn't just a normal election though. There is a lot more at stake - Brexit. If he really believes he would be a better future for many people he may tell some porkies.

Also he knows this is his last chance, he will never lead the party again or ever lead the country. No politician is that honest.

There have been a lot of doubts raised over his manifesto and some people want to believe his policies sooooo much. It is all too unrealistic.

[DemolitionRed]

Well Blair was the one who introduced the minimum wage (and who banned fox hunting for that matter)

Edit - and tax credits actually

Yes he did but Blair also took our ill equipped troops into Iraq in 2003 under the lie of 'WMD' and his support for Bush over the Israel-Lebanon war isn't something that will be quickly forgotten.

[JTM45]

Theresa will make Britain Great again

Like Trump has done to the US you mean ? :laugh:

She's an elitist clown who wants to sell out what's left of our Country after Thatcher started the rot back in the day.

Jolly ****ing hockeysticks! Vile woman. :yuk:

[Cherie]

Bloody hell, what a flip flopper you are Truth :hehe:

[Cherie]

She is the new Churchill

She does remind me of that nodding dog off the adverts, it's true Adam

[the truth]

Bloody hell, what a flip flopper you are Truth :hehe:

I may be a flipper, but never a flopper:hehe:

[Scarlett.]

This isn't just a normal election though. There is a lot more at stake - Brexit. If he really believes he would be a better future for many people he may tell some porkies.

Also he knows this is his last chance, he will never lead the party again or ever lead the country. No politician is that honest.

There have been a lot of doubts raised over his manifesto and some people want to believe his policies sooooo much. It is all too unrealistic.

Brexit is Brexit.

Labour wants the NHS to survive, the Tories seem intent on privatization. The NHS is more important than Brexit.

[Kizzy]

Bloody hell, what a flip flopper you are Truth :hehe:

Is that like a fence sitter? :hehe:

[Cherie]

Is that like a fence sitter? :hehe:

Better to have an open mind than blindly following :smug:

[waterhog]

depends if the leader is also blind ?

[Kizzy]

depends if the leader is also blind ?

And if said leader is blindly following ..

[ebandit]

...............always voted labour..........always will

...............well? apart from that time i voted green

Mark L

[DemolitionRed]

There have been a lot of doubts raised over his manifesto and some people want to believe his policies sooooo much. It is all too unrealistic.



What makes you believe they are unrealistic? From what I understand, its not unrealistic at all. I'm old enough and wise enough not to fall for everything I'm told. Nobody has brain washed me and so before I believe anything, I research the possibilities. Hell, I've been scorned on here for gaining my knowledge from google... like that's a bad thing! At least its given me a thorough understanding of 'neoliberalism'; that the early days of neoliberalism (Thatcher) are long gone and impossible to re-generate under this present ideology. To understand those hazy days under Thatcher and Blair, of buying up property and land for a pittance, insuring a healthy pension pot, is over and that means the next generations have nothing but struggle and debt ahead of them.

I'm all right Jack is a selfish attitude. We need to think about our kids, the next generation.

[DemolitionRed]

Can only give it a try. Labour failed to do it properly so they can't do it :shrug:

We have given it a try! and simple mathematics tell us that its a big fail. The only thing that can get us out of the mess we find ourselves in is to do something radical but I doubt that will happen any time soon because whilst we are reasonably comfortable, (learnt to accept that everything is now much more expensive and personal debt is fine) we will fear change.

[Alf]

One word

Venezuela

[UserSince2005]

One word

Venezuela

I went to venezuela last year with work, it was terrifying, luckily i was in the city of barcelona rather than caracas.

[DemolitionRed]

And I've got one word for the Tories... North Korea

[Denver]

Labour destroyed our economy and our relationship with other countries

[Denver]

Last time I voted UKIP but they did their job now it's the Tories turn

[MTVN]

And I've got one word for the Tories... North Korea

One word? :think:

[Denver]

And I've got one word for the Tories... North Korea

And I have 2 words for you NO :hee:

[smudgie]

One word? :think:

Ah yes, the Dianne Abbott method of counting.:joker::joker:

[DemolitionRed]

One word? :think:

pedantic! :hehe:

[Cherie]

And I have 2 words for you NO :hee:

:joker:

[arista]

I'm voting Labour because

A) My local Tory MP is a twat
B) Because I believe in Corbyn, he is a man who sticks to his beliefs, even if they aren't going to win him votes, he is the first politician that I believe in. Yeah, he ain't perfect, but he's better than strong and unstable May.


Thats fair enough Chewy

[jaxie]

Hmm, well Labour did set up the NHS. They did bring us the minimum wage and brought in family tax credit for the working poor. Labour put together trade unions to give people like you and me a voice and later repealed anti-trade union legislation. Oh and they banned fox hunting.

They've done some pretty crap things too. Going to war in Iraq was one of them but then I never thought of Blair as Labour. I mean, if he'd gone any further right he would of ended up in Thatchers back passage.

They also gave us tuition fees and an extremely high deficit. :shrug:

[DemolitionRed]

They also gave us tuition fees and an extremely high deficit. :shrug:

Your correct about the tuition fees but misguided about the deficit. Any government in power during the world economy crash would of done what Brown did.

[DemolitionRed]

And actually, when tuition fees were first introduced by the Labour government, they were set at £1k a year. The big rise started in 2012 under Cameron and rose by 72%

[the truth]

And actually, when tuition fees were first introduced by the Labour government, they were set at £1k a year. The big rise started in 2012 under Cameron and rose by 72%

exactly why lab our should never have started that ball rolling

[DemolitionRed]

exactly why lab our should never have started that ball rolling

I agree. Blair was a bsatard, I don't think anyone's excusing him.

What do you think about the Tories putting tuition fees up by 72% ? you must have an opinion on that.

[jaxie]

And actually, when tuition fees were first introduced by the Labour government, they were set at £1k a year. The big rise started in 2012 under Cameron and rose by 72%

Excuses. :shrug:

[DemolitionRed]

Excuses. :shrug:

Oh come on, this isn't meant to be a tit for tat argument. Its supposed to be a debate with truths that can be backed up and at least some level of intelligent discourse. To jump in with the word "excuses" has just left me baffled. It feels like you just slapped my face because you didn't like the facts.

[Kizzy]

Excuses. :shrug:

Excuses? The £1k fees can be justified how can £9k pa raising to 12k pa be justified?

Glib responses one word answers and shrug emojis are better placed in chat and games they do not translate as a reasoned response .