ITV1HD Political Leaders debate live 8PM thurs 18/5/17

[arista]

2 hours with ads.


so far No Corbyn and No PM
but they are welcome to turn up
ITV have said.


So SNP / Welsh / Green /UKIP etc

[MTVN]

Waste of time

[the truth]

why the heck isnt corbyn there

[DemolitionRed]

why the heck isnt corbyn there

Its likely for the same reason May is refusing. Neither leaders are good at answering questions off the hoof.

They will both be sending along their spin doctors and they may even turn up last minute.

[arista]

why the heck isnt corbyn there


He said PM may must also be there.
If he turns UP
I will add his name on the title.
out of the 2 he is the one that can go on there
Live trashing the Conservatives
with all the others also doing that.

[arista]

Its likely for the same reason May is refusing. Neither leaders are good at answering questions off the hoof.

They will both be sending along their spin doctors and they may even turn up last minute.


yes we can not rule them out

[arista]

Waste of time


But its live
The Public sitting there can get Angry
with questions first
its a long time slot

[Tregard]

I do always find it a little telling that Plaid Cymru gets an invite to these debates, but never the larger Northern Irish parties.

[the truth]

He said PM may must also be there.
If he turns UP
I will add his name on the title.
out of the 2 he is the one that can go on there
Live trashing the Conservatives
with all the others also doing that.

hed be literally insane not to show up and dance on the tories grave

[reece(:]

Will be perching

[Jack_]

hed be literally insane not to show up and dance on the tories grave

I think the thought process behind his strategy team is that if he shows up without her, he becomes the target of the other leaders. There's definitely pluses and minuses to him turning up

I just find it appalling that May is going to get away with not having to do this. Her campaign centres around stage managed events where she chucks workers out of buildings to fill them up with Tory cronies, restricts journalists from asking follow up questions (spent too much time with Trump evidently), avoids any members of the public whatsoever (until the other day which was a disaster, I'm sure Lynton Crosby was fuming) and just shoehorns her empty messages into any public appearance she can, like describing her childhood and upbringing on The One Show as 'very stable' FFS. And this bitch is gonna win, I despair I really do

[arista]

I do always find it a little telling that Plaid Cymru gets an invite to these debates, but never the larger Northern Irish parties.


Yes no Northern Irish
Leader is wrong
I agree Tregard

[Ronald.]

Like leanne wood she is good but won't vote her i am going with jeremy. R.

[joeysteele]

I think the thought process behind his strategy team is that if he shows up without her, he becomes the target of the other leaders. There's definitely pluses and minuses to him turning up

I just find it appalling that May is going to get away with not having to do this. Her campaign centres around stage managed events where she chucks workers out of buildings to fill them up with Tory cronies, restricts journalists from asking follow up questions (spent too much time with Trump evidently), avoids any members of the public whatsoever (until the other day which was a disaster, I'm sure Lynton Crosby was fuming) and just shoehorns her empty messages into any public appearance she can, like describing her childhood and upbringing on The One Show as 'very stable' FFS. And this bitch is gonna win, I despair I really do

You are right to despair,how she has.the support she has for really only reeling off strong and stable,makes me despair too.

I'm stunned the media are not totally ridiculing her for refusing to do debates,if she was and it was Corbyn or Farron refusing, the media and Con supporters would be shouting it from the rooftops deriding them.

[Cherie]

I think Corbyn is wrong not to turn up, it looks like he bottled it, May is pompous and thinks she is too far ahead in the polls to bother.

[Kazanne]

I think Corbyn is wrong not to turn up, it looks like he bottled it, May is pompous and thinks she is too far ahead in the polls to bother.

Either that or as she said she would rather talk to people on the ground,I dont think she wants to win tbh,she seems pretty fed up of it all.lol,the fox hunting thing will see her off ,silly woman:wavey: she also did the FB thing where people had the chance to ask questions,I much prefered Cameron myself.

[Will.]

Will be perching

Same

[arista]

on ITV1 and ITV1HD now

[reece(:]

Tragic at the main parties cowardice

[Will.]

Not the expose

[reece(:]

DRAG HER LEANNE :clap1::clap1:

[Greg!]

Screaming at Leanne drag ha!

[Greg!]

Theresa Mays bob is flying through the air

[Greg!]

Really disappointed in Jezza not showing up

[reece(:]

Really disappointed in Jezza not showing up

Was hoping Ms Thornberry could've came to drag instead

[Greg!]

Paul Nuatall knocks me sick

[Greg!]

Was hoping Ms Thornberry could've came to drag instead

Ikr! They should have done what the BBC are going to do and let other party members show up if the leaders cba

[smudgie]

Paul Nuatall knocks me sick

Indeed.
Mind you so does Farron.:fist:

[Greg!]

Nutall and Farron are too greasy

[reece(:]

Caroline performs much better than Natalie Bennett

[Greg!]

Nat was a mess

[Greg!]

Screaming at the Tory twitter account tweeting along when they couldn't even be bothered to show up

[Greg!]

I'm not even joking Paul nuttal gives me the boak

[reece(:]

Nat was a mess

Bumbling legend

[Kazanne]

That Fallon bloke is a sham.

[reece(:]

Caroline queen of alliances

when will BBUS?

[Greg!]

Nicky is an actual legend

[reece(:]

Nicci speaks sense

[Kazanne]

That's funny Sturgeon on about bringing the country together and wants a Scottish referedem,LOL

[Greg!]

Oh like UKIP wouldn't be calling for another referendum if remain won

[smudgie]

Nicky is an actual legend

She certainly believes in what she talks about.
No waffle from Nicola, like her or not.

[Will.]

SCREAMING

[reece(:]

"I'm not Natalie, I'm Leanne"

:joker::joker::joker:

[smudgie]

Mr. Nutter more like.
No Farron doesn't trust the people, or democracy I am afraid.
The people have already made their choice.

[Greg!]

"Imagine ya mum has a fall" Tim is a hot mess

[Greg!]

Shirley McCall is me

[Will.]

LEGEND SHIRLEY for PM

[reece(:]

Shirley's wig snatched

[joeysteele]

Caroline Lucas talks the most sense.
Nuttall is coming across really bad.
I could however listen to Leanne Wood all night.

[Will.]

Caroline is doing so well!

[reece(:]

Story Time with Tim

[smudgie]

I quite like the idea of 1p tax rise as long as it is ring fenced for the NHS.

[Greg!]

Nicky listing her achievements :clap1:

[Greg!]

Oh wow the passive aggressiveness!

[smudgie]

Does she want Westminster to crumble into the Thames.
Silly beggar.

[reece(:]

People cackling at Nuttall :joker:

[smudgie]

People cackling at Nuttall :joker:

Well, he is a bloody joke.:joker:

[MTVN]

Fair play to Nuttall, it's 4 against 1 up there

[Greg!]

MESS calling her Natalie again

[Will.]

This is so messy

[RichardG]

we're learning a lot about tim's family tonight aren't we

[reece(:]

Natalie lives on in the room

https://thetab.com/uploads/2015/04/natalie-bennet.jpg

[reece(:]

Slay it Almaz

[Denver]

Sturgeon looks a twat

[Kizzy]

Fair play to Nuttall, it's 4 against 1 up there

4 what... politicians against 1 lying fool?

[Brillopad]

The green candidate is a horribly smug woman. Can't bear listening to her.

[reece(:]

Leanne dragged him

[Brillopad]

4 what... politicians against 1 lying fool?

He is proving he can hold his own.

[Greg!]

Caroline is performing the best so far. Nic is also doing well

[Alf]

I haven't watched, I'm watching the darts.

But the commentary in here, is fantastic, and I expect far better than watching.

Take a bow people, Bravo!

[reece(:]

Legend Cazza

[Kazanne]

Why do they not add that she is NOT taking away all school meals,she is replacing it with free breakfasts a more important meal,and poor kids will still get free dinners.

[Greg!]

She should have showed up and defended herself then

[reece(:]

Why do they not add that she is NOT taking away all school meals,she is replacing it with free breakfasts a more important meal,and poor kids will still get free dinners.
Not all children go to school for breakfast. Lunch is vital and separates the working day up for the pupils

[smudgie]

Why do they not add that she is NOT taking away all school meals,she is replacing it with free breakfasts a more important meal,and poor kids will still get free dinners.

Because it helps their cause.:laugh:

[joeysteele]

Caroline is performing the best so far. Nic is also doing well

Nicola always does well for me.
I really rate her as a leader.

[Kazanne]

Not all children go to school for breakfast. Lunch is vital and separates the working day up for the pupils

And those kids that need it will get it.:shrug:

[Kizzy]

He is proving he can hold his own.

Hold his own what? UKIP are dead in the water, he should let it go.. He was shown up as a liar and a fraud any confidence anyone had in the man is shattered.

[Kazanne]

Oh Lord fallons life story again

[Greg!]

Tim Farron is SUCH a cringe bag

[RichardG]

more life memories from tim

[Greg!]

Svvzvs drag him Nicky!

[RichardG]

we need something the size of a bus to fit all of tim's stories on

[RichardG]

i don't get the big deal about tuition fees

we don't pay them back until we earn over £21,000 and then the payment amount is minimal

then if it's not paid off by 55 or whatever then it's all scrapped

what's the problem

yeah i'd rather not have the debt but at the same time it's not a big deal imo

[Greg!]

I'm still screaming at when Leanne and Nicola ripped Paul to shreds

[Kazanne]

Would have been better with May and Corbyn there.

[Brillopad]

Hold his own what? UKIP are dead in the water, he should let it go.. He was shown up as a liar and a fraud any confidence anyone had in the man is shattered.

Dead in the water because they didn't do well in the locals. Nether did Corbyn. When did Corbyn last do well. Much of the country have been telling Corbyn to 'let I'd go' and he hasn't listened.

[Brillopad]

I'm still screaming at when Leanne and Nicola ripped Paul to shreds

I think you try too hard.

[Greg!]

I think you try too hard.

Someone's fuming that Nutball got dragged to the pits of hell

[Brillopad]

Someone's fuming that Nutball got dragged to the pits of hell

In your head.

[Kizzy]

Dead in the water because they didn't do well in the locals. Nether did Corbyn. When did Corbyn last do well. Much of the country have been telling Corbyn to 'let I'd go' and he hasn't listened.

I think you're a little out of touch nationally tbh.

[Denver]

Nicola always does well for me.
I really rate her as a leader.

She is a Hitler wannabe

[Cherie]

i don't get the big deal about tuition fees

we don't pay them back until we earn over £21,000 and then the payment amount is minimal

then if it's not paid off by 55 or whatever then it's all scrapped

what's the problem

yeah i'd rather not have the debt but at the same time it's not a big deal imo

It's a debt that at 21 seems fine, but down the when you want to get a mortgage or support a family that debt might not be so easy to pay, down the line who is to say they won't move the goalposts on repayment terms, nothing is set in stone

[Cherie]

I had to laugh at Nutall saying he would reinvest cuts to the foreign aid budget in the NHS, the brass neck of him ....im sure any cuts would never get to the NHS

[joeysteele]

It's a debt that at 21 seems fine, but down the when you want to get a mortgage or support a family that debt might not be so easy to pay, down the line who is to say they won't move the goalposts on repayment terms, nothing is set in stone

You are correct.
Also even if not in a job paying enough to have to be paying the debt back.
It will still be there to be taken into account should anyone be applying for a mortgage etc too.
Which can affect even being granted a mortgage in the first place.

[Ronald.]

Missed this last night I was watching Kat and Alfie - can someone kindly summarise who did well? Thanks. R.

[DemolitionRed]

I missed last night as we were out with friends but I intend to watch it this evening. We did however, arrive home in time to see Question Time and that was pretty good.

I have read some of the Tory manifesto and found this particular section rather chilling.

"The British public deserves to have confidence in our democracy. We will legislate to ensure that a form of identification must be presented before voting, to reform postal voting and to improve other aspects of the elections process to ensure that our elections are the most secure in the world. We will retain the traditional method of voting by pencil and paper, and tackle every aspect of electoral fraud."

Its estimated that 3.5 million http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/conservative-manifesto-general-election-2017-voter-id-laws-racist-voters-poll-latest-a7742666.html do not have photo ID and won't be able to vote as a result.

Most of these without ID are in the lower income bracket. This will no doubt benefit the Tories.

There are only 2 types of photo ID in the UK and that's driving licence and passport. What if you don't drive and never travel abroad?

[smudgie]

Have the government actually said it would have to be a photo ID, or is it just an assumption made in the article?
If it were to be photo ID then surely it would have to be made easy for those without passports or driving licenses to receive an ID card through the council, as people do for a blue badge.

[DemolitionRed]

The words I quoted were from the Tory manifesto, so its not just hearsay.

The Tories have always wanted a national ID card and I can only presume that this is a way of getting it.

Personally I don't like the idea. Every country that uses them have massive problems with identity fraud. Nobody, as yet, has been able to produce a national ID card that has IT competence and therefore, duplicate identities are common and encryption codes are constantly broken.

Other things about national ID cards are, they are expensive and yet it would be illegal not to carry one. The holder would be entirely responsible for loss, damage or even a faulty card.They Tories have suggesting a heavy fine of up to £1,000 if you fail to carry your card or fail to update it or renew it when its damaged.

Children up to the age of 18 wouldn't have one, immigrants wouldn't have one and it would be impossible for homeless people, because every time you move home, you get fined if you don't update your card.

Also, the cards have a built in tracking device so anyone with the authority to look, can find you, but they can't find terrorists if terrorists aren't British citizens. They can't find illegal immigrants because they won't have them and they can't find children if they go missing.

Its just another stealth tax. Raking it in off those who can ill afford and giving the government yet more control of the people its supposed to be serving.

[joeysteele]

If they insist on people having photo Id to vote,then no one should in a democracy who is old enough to,be denied their full right to do so.
So the Id if made compulsory should be provided free by the govt.

Otherwise scrap this badly presented plan altogether.

[Denver]

What we learnt is that Conservatives are still the better party even with the no show and Nicole doesnt know what she is doing