Labour will scrap tuition fees for students starting in the autumn

[Cherie]

Labour says it would bring forward its pledge to scrap tuition fees to include students starting university in England this autumn if it wins the election.
The party also says students part-way through their courses would not have to pay for the remaining years.
Jeremy Corbyn said Labour would "lift this cloud of debt and make education free for all".
The Conservatives said more students than ever from poorer backgrounds were getting into university.
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All or nothing for Labour on tuition fees
Labour announced it would abolish university tuition fees - which are due to rise to £9,250 a year in the autumn - in its manifesto last week.
It is now offering more detail on the policy, which applies to students resident in England studying for their first degree at an English university, in an appeal aimed at people eligible to vote for the first time on 8 June.
Labour's shadow education secretary Angela Rayner told BBC Breakfast that people coming out of university now face debts of up to £44,000 - a "gut-wrenching" sum which "hangs over them" for years to come.
She said that by getting the top earners to pay "just a little bit more", Labour can "stop our young people from going through that hell of having that much debt".
Put to her on BBC Radio 4's Today programme that axing frees would benefit the wealthiest graduates - who currently repay the most in tuition fees - Ms Rayner said: "You've got young people, regardless of their wealth, that are leaving university after working hard, they've finally got their degrees, they're going into their job for the first time, junior doctors etcetera, and they're saddled with debt for years and years.
"Whether they pay back that debt or not, if you've ever had a huge amount of debt hanging over your head you know how that feels."
The announcement comes as the deadline for people to register to vote approaches - they have until 23:59 BST on Monday to sign up.
Access gap
Labour said legislation would be in place for students starting university in the autumn of 2018 - but that a Labour government would immediately write off the first year of fees for those starting a year earlier.
Labour also said it would protect people who had already graduated from inflation-busting interest rises in future years.
It said the £9.5bn annual cost of abolishing tuition fees would be paid for by increasing corporation tax, and income tax for people earning over £80,000.
Labour has also promised the return of maintenance grants to cover living costs.
Education is a devolved matter, with only Scotland charging no tuition fees for Scottish students, although research suggests Scotland also has a bigger access gap between rich and poor students than the rest of the UK.
Responding to Labour's tuition fees pledge, the Conservatives said: "Only by getting Brexit right will we be able to help young people get on in life and make the most of their talents."



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[UserSince2005]

**** they will burn this country to the ground with the debt they put us in.

[jaxie]

As the parent of a child who has already finished University this makes me rather angry. What about the debts my child was lumbered with?

[Cherie]

As the parent of a child who has already finished University this makes me rather angry. What about the debts my child was lumbered with?

Labour also said it would protect people who had already graduated from inflation-busting interest rises in future years.

It would be gutting for those who have graduated but the debt has to be pegged back somehow, my son started last year so he won't benefit but at least future students will, I have always been angry that English students are saddled with the most debt so I would gladly see a return to parity for all members of the Union

[joeysteele]

As the parent of a child who has already finished University this makes me rather angry. What about the debts my child was lumbered with?

Blame the Cons for that if it's in the last 6 years, they and the Lib Dems are the ones that trebled then,not Labour.
Tuition fees were a great deal lower in 2010.

I finished Uni in 2013 but now for all present and new Students,I'd love to see them scrapped at long last.
It is what I really voted for with my first vote in 2010.

Only to find one party the Cons, wanting to at least double them,the Lib Dems going to abolish them,then both those Parties, astoundingly voting to 'treble' them.

[the truth]

is there anyone more dangerous than a man who thinks he's father Christmas with an unlimited credit card bill he can never ever pay

[Alf]

Corbyn is in my city tonight.

I might go down and give him a piece of my mind. See if I can make it on to the news at ten.

[DemolitionRed]

**** they will burn this country to the ground with the debt they put us in.

Its the Tories need to run a surplus that will burn this country to the ground but because the majority of voters extrapolate government surplus with their own households, we allow the government to tax us, more than it spends on us. Government surplus is a government destroying money and telling us to grow at the same time!!

The surplus run in the lead up to the 1920s is what led to the great depression. It wasn't the British Labour party who caused the crash of 2007-8, it was Clinton's attempt to run a government surplus (just like our government are presently doing). You have to ask yourself why the Tories want to run a surplus when they are the only institution in this country that owns its own bank. The government can indefinitely finance things like free education without obligation to ever repay.

The Labour government wants to run a deficit, financed by the central bank (money we never have to pay back apart from taxes) and spend money into the economy. Running a deficit stimulates the economy and it gives us an educated youth that are not encumbered by private debt but like I said before; because the masses generally liken government deficit to their own household debt, they will continue believing that Labour will burn this country to the ground.

[user104658]

As the parent of a child who has already finished University this makes me rather angry. What about the debts my child was lumbered with?

Yeah can they write off the debt that I still have? :joker:

It's only sitting at about £11k (as I am Scottish so didn't pay tuition fees :hee: only living cost loan) but still. I'd rather not have to pay it :nono:.

I had no idea that it abolishing tuition fees would cost as little as £10 billion, actually. With that being the case, I don't think there's any argument at all for higher education not being free.

[Kazanne]

Makes me smile how the promises by Labour are believed without question and followed blindly ,they have never lied to the public have they?:joker:

[Cherie]

Makes me smile how the promises by Labour are believed without question and followed blindly ,they have never lied to the public have they?:joker:

tbf they have put their money where there mouth is and said when it will be introduced so it is not something they could airbrush easily, do you want you kids to come out of uni with 44,000 plus debt? in the meantime Mrs May still hasn't given us any costings at all...arrogant cow!

[joeysteele]

Makes me smile how the promises by Labour are believed without question and followed blindly ,they have never lied to the public have they?:joker:

Indeed they have,not as much as this govt however.

Promises that 5 years of hard austerity would clear the deficit by 2015,now up to 5 years more austerity needed but the deficit not cleared until 2025.

Borrowing must be lowered,yet this lot have borrowed and added to the debt continually.

Triple lock on pensions and added help guaranteed for 5 years in just 2015, now scrapped.
A promise just 2 years ago that no tax rises for 5 years,removed now.

Immigration down to tens of thousands,never coming anywhere near and even immigration from outside the EU is at 164,000 at least.

A never going to happen top down re organisation of the NHS done.

A policy to at least double tuition fees.turned into actually trebling them.

Anyone that believes this Party and this deceitful woman they have leading them,do really deserve all the rotten things and likely more broken promises she will surely deliver with more power.

I would never trust or believe a single word she says.

All govts fail to deliver some things and get things wrong, this one must Just about break all records.

I actually find it incredible people believe her and her hardline Cabinet and then always deride Labour.
I actually believe more than not,that Corbyn will insist on delivering his promises.
He sees a much different way ahead in the UK and will need to keep his word to get that vision implemented.

At least his word,even when it causes him problems news wise,he in the main sticks to.

[Kazanne]

tbf they have put their money where there mouth is and said when it will be introduced so it is not something they could airbrush easily, do you want you kids to come out of uni with 44,000 plus debt? in the meantime Mrs May still hasn't given us any costings at all...arrogant cow!

It's all sweet words and what people want to hear Cherie,it's actions that count not words alone and no i dont want my kids to be in debt but i also dont want them living in an overcrowded country that is sinking in debt,who knows what will follow that.It's a hell of a risk voting for these on blind faith and they dont deliver.

[Cherie]

It's all sweet words and what people want to hear Cherie,it's actions that count not words alone and no i dont want my kids to be in debt but i also dont want them living in an overcrowded country that is sinking in debt,who knows what will follow that.It's a hell of a risk voting for these on blind faith and they dont deliver.

In fairness Mrs May was Home Sec for 6 years and promised less immigration but didn't achieve it in 6 years, so not sure she will achieve it in another 5 year term either :joker: austerity hasn't worked in bringing down the deficit so maybe we need to try something else, and as for jobs, zero hour contracts are no good to anyone with a family or a mortgage.

[Withano]

As the parent of a child who has already finished University this makes me rather angry. What about the debts my child was lumbered with?

They signed up to Uni under a Tory government, that doesn't seem like a reason to punish future students...

[Cherie]

is there anyone more dangerous than a man who thinks he's father Christmas with an unlimited credit card bill he can never ever pay

have you decided against voting labour :hehe:

[Denver]

So who is going to pay for tutors wages? Books? Upgrades to the uni? Stuff like that

[reece(:]

Here for my last year of uni being free

[Tregard]

As the parent of a child who has already finished University this makes me rather angry. What about the debts my child was lumbered with?

As one of those students lumbered with debt, I knew the price of admission going in, and whilst I wasn't happy with it (and spited the Lib Dems for breaking their promise), I was aware it would cost me more than it should.

I would never be spiteful enough to wish that cost on future students.

Norway, Denmark, Sweden, Germany, France, Austria and Finland (http://www.independent.co.uk/student/study-abroad/free-university-education-courses-study-abroad-brexit-erasmus-students-germany-copenhagen-france-a7457576.html) and many other countries have higher education with no fees, so it's not as if it is some impossible prospect

[Cherie]

So who is going to pay for tutors wages? Books? Upgrades to the uni? Stuff like that

Students pay for their own books, halls of residence fees which students will still have to pay for the upkeep costs and beyond 120.00 for a single room for a week which you have to pay for for 38 weeks of the year even though some students finished in March and can home study, some unis rent out their rooms in the summer as well, how to Scottish unis pay their lecturer fees? and how do Welsh unis pay theirs on 3000 a year fees?

[Denver]

Students pay for their own books, halls of residence fees which students will still have to pay for the upkeep costs and beyond 120.00 for a single room for a week which you have to pay for for 38 weeks of the year even though some students finished in March and can home study, some unis rent out their rooms in the summer as well, how to Scottish unis pay their lecturer fees? and how do Welsh unis pay theirs on 3000 a year fees?

The Scottish pay theirs by stealing from the school funding.

[Denver]

Higher education is a privilege not a guarantee

[the truth]

It's all sweet words and what people want to hear Cherie,it's actions that count not words alone and no i dont want my kids to be in debt but i also dont want them living in an overcrowded country that is sinking in debt,who knows what will follow that.It's a hell of a risk voting for these on blind faith and they dont deliver.
no doubt millions of young kids can enroll on labours breed for benefits programme...get 8 kids by 25 and you can get an 6 bedroom detached house all bills included and not a days work to get it...thanks to labour and santa corbyn...oh and the kids in turn learn you get all this for nothing, only fools and horses work

[Tregard]

Higher education is a privilege not a guarantee

Well if this is your mentality then you're never going to agree with the nut and bolts of this argument, are you? Labour could be willing the money into existence at no damage to the economy, and it would still be "money better spent elsewhere" if you believe higher education is a privilege.

no doubt millions of young kids can enroll on labours breed for benefits programme...get 8 kids by 25 and you can get an 6 bedroom detached house all bills included and not a days work to get it...thanks to labour and santa corbyn...oh and the kids in turn learn you get all this for nothing, only fools and horses work

This is just rambling nonsense

[the truth]

Well if this is your mentality then you're never going to agree with the nut and bolts of this argument, are you? Labour could be willing the money into existence at no damage to the economy, and it would still be "money better spent elsewhere" if you believe higher education is a privilege.



This is just rambling nonsense

not its FACT

[Denver]

Well if this is your mentality then you're never going to agree with the nut and bolts of this argument, are you? Labour could be willing the money into existence at no damage to the economy, and it would still be "money better spent elsewhere" if you believe higher education is a privilege.

You get 10 free years why should you get another 10?


For you to do all that hard work for Labour to triple the UK's debt and triple immigration so you have no chance of getting a job and you wasted years away on a fake promise

[Withano]

Higher education is a privilege not a guarantee

It still would be :suspect: it would be even more competitive than ever before

[Denver]

Also i thought you didnt have to pay it back till you earn a certain amount each year

[Tregard]

not its FACT

Well that's me convinced.

If you want to actually talk out the issues of the politics, that may be an interesting discussion. Labour aren't perfect by a longshot, but these are aspirational goals for our society to a large percentage of the population. You can disagree with the means of getting there, but shouting into your echo chamber about "Santa Corbyn" just makes you look foolish.

[Tregard]

You get 10 free years why should you get another 10?


For you to do all that hard work for Labour to triple the UK's debt and triple immigration so you have no chance of getting a job and you wasted years away on a fake promise

National students will have even worse job prospects if they're not as well equipped academically as their international peers. "Getting another 10 years" is par for the course in much of the western world, and that leaves you with the two options of catching up with them and improving your own population's skill, or shutting out the rest of the world completely.

[DemolitionRed]

So who is going to pay for tutors wages? Books? Upgrades to the uni? Stuff like that

Its self generating. If all we have to pay back to the central bank is taxes, we generate tax by employing people, by getting workers to upgrade things and by selling books. Surely you understand how that works? its simple maths.

[DemolitionRed]

Makes me smile how the promises by Labour are believed without question and followed blindly ,they have never lied to the public have they?:joker:

Your kidding. The last thing I want is a future where my kids and future grandchildren will struggle. I have read, researched and taken on board this two sided debate with such thoroughness, its left me with only one conclusion, Labours fiscal plans can and will work. Tory fiscal plans will stagnate our economy more and more and they are the last thing we need with Brexit coming up.

Unless you are earning in access of £150K a year, why on earth would you vote the Tories in?

[smudgie]

Your kidding. The last thing I want is a future where my kids and future grandchildren will struggle. I have read, researched and taken on board this two sided debate with such thoroughness, its left me with only one conclusion, Labours fiscal plans can and will work. Tory fiscal plans will stagnate our economy more and more and they are the last thing we need with Brexit coming up.

Unless you are earning in access of £150K a year, why on earth would you vote the Tories in?

Lots of people have different views and make their choice on those views.
People from all sides read up on it, taking in truths and lies, but when it comes to the crunch we all make our own minds up on what we believe to be right.

[Denver]

Your kidding. The last thing I want is a future where my kids and future grandchildren will struggle. I have read, researched and taken on board this two sided debate with such thoroughness, its left me with only one conclusion, Labours fiscal plans can and will work. Tory fiscal plans will stagnate our economy more and more and they are the last thing we need with Brexit coming up.

Unless you are earning in access of £150K a year, why on earth would you vote the Tories in?

Unless you want a future where the UK is in severe debt which Labour have promised to keep increasing and the country to be over crowed why would you vote labour

[DemolitionRed]

Unless you want a future where the UK is in severe debt which Labour have promised to keep increasing and the country to be over crowed why would you vote labour

Ok can you explain that to me better so that I may understand because I obviously don't want to vote for a party that are going to do this.

[Denver]

Ok can you explain that to me better so that I may understand because I obviously don't want to vote for a party that are going to do this.

Labour have said they will continue to borrow billions each year which will create a hell of a lot more debt to the UK and they want to keep open borders open to allow everyone to come to the UK and claim free money they are not entitled to

[jaxie]

Blame the Cons for that if it's in the last 6 years, they and the Lib Dems are the ones that trebled then,not Labour.
Tuition fees were a great deal lower in 2010.

I finished Uni in 2013 but now for all present and new Students,I'd love to see them scrapped at long last.
It is what I really voted for with my first vote in 2010.

Only to find one party the Cons, wanting to at least double them,the Lib Dems going to abolish them,then both those Parties, astoundingly voting to 'treble' them.

No I blame Labour fully for the betrayal of tuition fees in the first place and the double betrayal of removing them now and ****ing over all those kids who will have to pay for years. If it's so easy to remove them affordably what a betrayal of all those who paid in the interim. That isn't the same as saying anyone should suffer now because others have paid so stop with the silly accusations those making them, not you Joey.

[DemolitionRed]

Labour have said they will continue to borrow billions each year which will create a hell of a lot more debt to the UK and they want to keep open borders open to allow everyone to come to the UK and claim free money they are not entitled to

source please?

[Alf]

He's pledged a £1bn culture fund today.

http://www.hulldailymail.co.uk/jeremy-corbyn-in-hull-pledge-for-1bn-culture-fund-if-labour-wins-general-election/story-30346360-detail/story.html

[Denver]

source please?

https://order-order.com/2017/04/24/labour-never-better-time-borrow-500-billion/


they plan to borrow £500 billion

[jaxie]

They signed up to Uni under a Tory government, that doesn't seem like a reason to punish future students...

Do I type something and then you imagine what I've said and give me motives?

[Withano]

Do I type something and then you imagine what I've said and give me motives?

Oh good, you're voting labour :clap1:

[jaxie]

Oh good, you're voting labour :clap1:

Monster raving loonies probably. That's all I'm left with these days since I don't vote for thieves and liars.

Go on show me an expose on the leader of the loonies that says he's a thief, a liar and a murderer.

[Withano]

Monster raving loonies probably. That's all I'm left with these days since I don't vote for thieves and liars.

Go on show me an expose on the leader of the loonies that says he's a their a liar and a murderer.

I don't know much about them tbh. I like their choice of hats. Are they cutting education fees too?

[Denver]

Monster raving loonies probably. That's all I'm left with these days since I don't vote for thieves and liars.

Go on show me an expose on the leader of the loonies that says he's a thief, a liar and a murderer.

Im voting for them aswell that makes them a step closer to power :cheer2:

[jaxie]

I don't know much about them tbh. I like their choice of hats. Are they cutting education fees too?

No idea but I imagine the Brexit hats will be inspired.

[Withano]

No idea but I imagine the Brexit hats will be inspired.

Topical meets high fashion

[Tom4784]

It's an excellent policy and the fact they have a deadline in place for it does more than suggest that it'll be a promise they will keep if elected.

[Kazanne]

no doubt millions of young kids can enroll on labours breed for benefits programme...get 8 kids by 25 and you can get an 6 bedroom detached house all bills included and not a days work to get it...thanks to labour and santa corbyn...oh and the kids in turn learn you get all this for nothing, only fools and horses work

It just seems people want everything for free,instead of working and helping the rest of the country,I was so much easier under Labour to not look for work,it's harder now and it should be, that's why some people hate the Tories as they dont make laziness easy.

[joeysteele]

It just seems people want everything for free,instead of working and helping the rest of the country,I was so much easier under Labour to not look for work,it's harder now and it should be, that's why some people hate the Tories as they dont make laziness easy.

You are aware Labour brought,wrongly,tuition fees in,in the first place.

So hardly all free at all under Labour.
It's good that tuition fees are going to be scrapped it's a policy that will always get my support.

[DemolitionRed]

https://order-order.com/2017/04/24/labour-never-better-time-borrow-500-billion/


they plan to borrow £500 billion I know about this but what about the source that says these borrowed billions will create a hell of a lot more debt to the UK. I don't think you've looked at how this can be done. You're just listening to right wing politics.

Fortunately, economists, not just in the UK but across the US too, have been looking at this very closely and are stated for saying, this, if done right will not create a large long term deficit. What it will do is grow a stagnated economy, raise salaries, employ more workers that will, in turn, produce the tax needed to pay off any deficit. As I said earlier, its only tax that has to be paid off central bank borrowing. There's no interest and there's no IOU so when the Tories tell us that they need to tax us all more so that they can pay off the deficit its because they got stuck in the tar of neoliberalism and want to do it any other way.

And what about a source that says they want to allow everyone to come through open border Britain?!?

[jennyjuniper]

**** they will burn this country to the ground with the debt they put us in.

Yes indeed. The universities will end up being full of overseas students who do pay their way.Whilst I believe in scholarships and letting people wait to pay back their tuition fees until they have paid employment, this 'freebie' that the labour lot are going to dole out is yet another way of nanying people and not making them work hard for what they want.
Students who have to pay their tuition back, know damn well that they have to work hard to get a degree to enable them to get a job to pay their debt back.
Labour hasn't changed since they last got the country into such staggering debt that we are STILL paying for it. With them it's always 'enjoy now, pay later, if at all.

[Denver]

I know about this but what about the source that says these borrowed billions will create a hell of a lot more debt to the UK. I don't think you've looked at how this can be done. You're just listening to right wing politics.

Fortunately, economists, not just in the UK but across the US too, have been looking at this very closely and are stated for saying, this, if done right will not create a large long term deficit. What it will do is grow a stagnated economy, raise salaries, employ more workers that will, in turn, produce the tax needed to pay off any deficit. As I said earlier, its only tax that has to be paid off central bank borrowing. There's no interest and there's no IOU so when the Tories tell us that they need to tax us all more so that they can pay off the deficit its because they got stuck in the tar of neoliberalism and want to do it any other way.

And what about a source that says they want to allow everyone to come through open border Britain?!?

If you borrow money you have to pay it back so that creates debt fullstop

[Brillopad]

Makes me smile how the promises by Labour are believed without question and followed blindly ,they have never lied to the public have they?:joker:

It makes me smile that his followers talk of others bring gullible. They are buying into it hook, line and sinker.

[Brillopad]

You are aware Labour brought,wrongly,tuition fees in,in the first place.

So hardly all free at all under Labour.
It's good that tuition fees are going to be scrapped it's a policy that will always get my support.

I don't see why taxpayers should pay for people to have a better lifestyle than many of them may have. People should invest in their own futures.