UKIP vow to ban all Jihadi fighters from Britian for life

[Denver]

Part of their manifesto was that all those who join terror organisations will have to forfit their passport and citizenship for the rest of their life.

[Niamh.]

Wouldn't any government do that if it was known they were an actual member of a terrorist group? Maybe I'm naive but I would have thought that's a given? no?

[Denver]

Wouldn't any government do that if it was known they were an actual member of a terrorist group? Maybe I'm naive but I would have thought that's a given? no?

Not many have been allowed back in

[Niamh.]

Not many have been allowed back in

people who were actually proven to be members of ISIS were allowed in to the UK freely? Oh come on, that doesn't sound right

[Denver]

people who were actually proven to be members of ISIS were allowed in to the UK freely? Oh come on, that doesn't sound right

All they have to say is they don't want to be part of ISIS and they are welcome back woth open arms without proof they have quit

[Niamh.]

All they have to say is they don't want to be part of ISIS and they are welcome back woth open arms without proof they have quit

That really doesn't sound right Adam, if that's the case then there's something seriously messed up going on with British Security

[Livia]

It's a complicated issue. There have been lots of people who have gone to Syria to fight with IS and then return to the UK once they find out the reality of that decision. If they hold a British passport they have to be allowed to return. Ideally, they should be rounded up and incarcerated immediately, but these people are usually respresented pro bono by Human Rights lawyers and other "conecerned parties". It's aminefield with people on both sides thinking they're right. Same old, really...

[Denver]

That really doesn't sound right Adam, if that's the case then there's something seriously messed up going on with British Security

Look at the amount of people to travel to and from the war torn countries with no hassle

[Niamh.]

It's a complicated issue. There have been lots of people who have gone to Syria to fight with IS and then return to the UK once they find out the reality of that decision. If they hold a British passport they have to be allowed to return. Ideally, they should be rounded up and incarcerated immediately, but these people are usually respresented pro bono by Human Rights lawyers and other "conecerned parties". It's aminefield with people on both sides thinking they're right. Same old, really...

Jeez, I have to say I'm pretty shocked about that. I understand that if they're British they have to be allowed back in but they should be locked up, that's a massive risk to society

[Niamh.]

Look at the amount of people to travel to and from the war torn countries with no hassle

Travelling to and from and a war torn country that you may have family in and actually being proved to be a member of ISIS are two totally different things though

[MTVN]

As many as 800 Britons are estimated to have travelled to fight for or support jihadi groups in Syria or Iraq, and around half are feared to have returned to the UK.

Last year, the Government admitted just 14 of nearly 400 returnee fighters have been jailed, raising fears the rest are living off the radar and may be vulnerable to radicalisation.

www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/young-british-muslims-uk-isis-fighters-syria-return-reintegrate-society-research-a7682836.html%3Famp

[Denver]

Travelling to and from and a war torn country that you may have family in and actually being proved to be a member of ISIS are two totally different things though

Most of them are single young men with no links to the country at all

[Niamh.]

As many as 800 Britons are estimated to have travelled to fight for or support jihadi groups in Syria or Iraq, and around half are feared to have returned to the UK.

Last year, the Government admitted just 14 of nearly 400 returnee fighters have been jailed, raising fears the rest are living off the radar and may be vulnerable to radicalisation.

www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/young-british-muslims-uk-isis-fighters-syria-return-reintegrate-society-research-a7682836.html%3Famp

wow, I'm really shocked by that, that seems absolutely ludicrous

[smudgie]

It's a complicated issue. There have been lots of people who have gone to Syria to fight with IS and then return to the UK once they find out the reality of that decision. If they hold a British passport they have to be allowed to return. Ideally, they should be rounded up and incarcerated immediately, but these people are usually respresented pro bono by Human Rights lawyers and other "conecerned parties". It's aminefield with people on both sides thinking they're right. Same old, really...

I would say incinerated rather than incarcerated, save the taxpayers the bother of paying to look after them.

[the truth]

wow, I'm really shocked by that, that seems absolutely ludicrous

its insane

[Glenn.]

They need rounding up and they need to be shot.

[Livia]

They need rounding up and they need to be shot.

When I take over the country, Glenn, I am making you my Minister for Justice.

[Glenn.]

Thank you x

[Denver]

When I take over the country, Glenn, I am making you my Minister for Justice.

What is my job?

[Niamh.]

What is my job?

Head Coffee maker :fan:

[Glenn.]

Head maker :fan:

:fan:

[Niamh.]

:fan:

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[Kazanne]

They need rounding up and they need to be shot.

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[Northern Monkey]

Wouldn't any government do that if it was known they were an actual member of a terrorist group? Maybe I'm naive but I would have thought that's a given? no?

Well there's 350 living in the Manchester area back from Syria etc according to the Daily Politics yesterday so they must be letting em stay.They need booting straight back out again to Syria

[Northern Monkey]

When I take over the country, Glenn, I am making you my Minister for Justice.

Hey i thought that was my job :fist:

[Denver]

Head Coffee maker :fan:

Stop trying to pass your job on

[the truth]

When I take over the country, Glenn, I am making you my Minister for Justice.

you got my vote....ps keep larry the cat at number 10 as head mouser

[RichardG]

i will never vote for ukip

but this is a policy that every party should be adopting

[Livia]

What is my job?

I'm certain I have a suitable miche for you, Adam. Haven't quite worked out what it would be... Minister for cool?

[Shaun]

i will never vote for ukip

but this is a policy that every party should be adopting

Agreed.

Any UK citizenship should be given up the minute someone flies out to join them.

[Livia]

To be honest, I'm always torn on this question. The people who go out there thinking they're going to be waging some honourable holy war and get there to witness rape, murder, torture anbd other unspeakable carnage... I think it will be a wake up call for some young people who have lived the soft life in the UK. If those people were accepted back on condition, I think they could be instrumental in dissuading other young people from becoming radicalised. It's like drug addicts counselling other drug addicts; they're listened to because those being counselled know they have been there themselves. Obviously it would mean a massive amount of debriefing and keeping a close eye on them, probably forever... but if they could help stop young people making their way to join IS, I think it could be worth a try.

[Denver]

But you can never trust their words

[the truth]

It surely depends on what they have done, if they are dangerous we need them off the streets pronto

[Mystic Mock]

1. How do they plan on implementing that? It's very hard to get rid of someone who's legally in the country.

2. The last time UKIP made promises it turned out to be complete and utter lies.

Basically if you lean towards the right go towards the Tories over UKIP.

[Brillopad]

It's a complicated issue. There have been lots of people who have gone to Syria to fight with IS and then return to the UK once they find out the reality of that decision. If they hold a British passport they have to be allowed to return. Ideally, they should be rounded up and incarcerated immediately, but these people are usually respresented pro bono by Human Rights lawyers and other "conecerned parties". It's aminefield with people on both sides thinking they're right. Same old, really...

I wonder how these Human Rights lawyers would react if it was a close member of their family murdered by these creatures who don't act like human beings and are not worthy of the title.

I have no time for these stupid people full of their own self-importance thinking they have the right to give these animals the opportunity to go on killing people.

Shame on them and their warped sense of justice.

[Brillopad]

1. How do they plan on implementing that? It's very hard to get rid of someone who's legally in the country.

2. The last time UKIP made promises it turned out to be complete and utter lies.

Basically if you lean towards the right go towards the Tories over UKIP.

Everything is reversible including citizenship. No one in their right minds wants this scum breathing the same air as the rest of us.

[joeysteele]

In principle I do agree with this,however not from UKIP.
I found a lot of their launch of the manifesto today mostly unsavoury.

It came across intolerant and division creating as with a look UKIPs policies.
It is part of an answer but leaves still many questions as to the best Road to go down.

Really all political Parties need to get together on this and come up with a universally agreed plan,no single Party only has the likely answer and for sure UKIP hasn't.

[DemolitionRed]

I wonder how these Human Rights lawyers would react if it was a close member of their family murdered by these creatures who don't act like human beings and are not worthy of the title.

I have no time for these stupid people full of their own self-importance thinking they have the right to give these animals the opportunity to go on killing people.

Shame on them and their warped sense of justice.

Should any lawyer prevent a clients from having a fair trial ?
Lawyers are officers of the court. They can't lie on their clients behalf. They can't give false testimony without being a party to their perjury and they can't refuse to represent someone because they believe they are guilty.

Lets not start blaming lawyers because to do so, is to prevent fair trial. We live in the West not the middle east.

[smudgie]

It is the law that needs changing, making it easy for the scum to understand, you kill and maim people in Britain you get deported, along with your family.
Better still bring back the death penalty for treasonal murdering scum.
Break the law, face the consequences.

[Brillopad]

I would say incinerated rather than incarcerated, save the taxpayers the bother of paying to look after them.

:dance:

[Brillopad]

Should any lawyer prevent a clients from having a fair trial ?
Lawyers are officers of the court. They can't lie on their clients behalf. They can't give false testimony without being a party to their perjury and they can't refuse to represent someone because they believe they are guilty.

Lets not start blaming lawyers because to do so, is to prevent fair trial. We live in the West not the middle east.

Not for much longer - we are handing it over piece by piece.

[Kizzy]

To be honest, I'm always torn on this question. The people who go out there thinking they're going to be waging some honourable holy war and get there to witness rape, murder, torture anbd other unspeakable carnage... I think it will be a wake up call for some young people who have lived the soft life in the UK. If those people were accepted back on condition, I think they could be instrumental in dissuading other young people from becoming radicalised. It's like drug addicts counselling other drug addicts; they're listened to because those being counselled know they have been there themselves. Obviously it would mean a massive amount of debriefing and keeping a close eye on them, probably forever... but if they could help stop young people making their way to join IS, I think it could be worth a try.

Nice to see you've come round to my way of thinking finally.

http://www.thisisbigbrother.com/forums/showthread.php?t=273851&highlight=radicalisation&page=3

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[Vladimir]

If those people were accepted back on condition, I think they could be instrumental in dissuading other young people from becoming radicalised.

Yeah good point! Revealing their stories in the media about their unfortunate time in Syria or elsewhere would discourage others from going there. Also, 'the returnees' are constantly monitored by the police and rarely pose a big threat.

[Glenn.]

If they are leaving his country and it's to join ISIS they should never be allowed back under any circumstances. Even if they get out there and 'change their minds' they shouldn't be allowed back. The lunatics just saying they aren't part of it isn't good enough. It should be 'a 'you've made your bed, now lie in it' kinda thing.

[Brillopad]

If they are leaving his country and it's to join ISIS they should never be allowed back under any circumstances. Even if they get out there and 'change their minds' they shouldn't be allowed back. The lunatics just saying they aren't part of it isn't good enough. It should be 'a 'you've made your bed, now lie in it' kinda thing.

Agreed. They can't have their cake and eat it.