Seven-month-old baby died after she was accidentally left in a sweltering car

[Niamh.]

Thoughts on this story? People are really brutal towards the father on FB, I just feel really sorry for him, he's never going to get over that guilt.

Seven-month-old baby died after she was accidentally left in a sweltering car for four hours on hottest day of the year ‘after her devastated father forgot to drop her at crèche’
Baby girl aged seven months died after allegedly being left in a hot car for hours
It has been reported she was in car for up to four hours on hottest day of the year
Father may have left her in car by accident after forgetting to take her to creche
Tragic incident unfolded in the Irish village of Dundrum, in County Tipperary

A baby girl died in a devastating accident yesterday after apparently being left in a car by mistake for four hours on the hottest day of the year.
The seven-month-old girl, named locally as Chloe Fogarty, is believed to have been strapped into the back seat of her father's car when he forgot to drop her off at creche on his way to work.
She died of suspected heatstroke after her father Paul Fogarty reportedly forgot to take her to the nursery when he became distracted with a phone call and left her in the car as the temperature hit 25C.
Chloe was his first child with wife Louise.




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[Mystic Mock]

How did he not notice that he hadn't took her to the Creche?

[Niamh.]

How did he not notice that he hadn't took her to the Creche?

Well from what I can gather he was driving to work and was supposed to drop her to creche on the way but he got distracted when he took a phone call and must have just drove straight to work, got out out of the car and went inside. I mean it's a stupid thing to do but I mean if it was a genuine accident then that guy is never going to be the same again. That's throw yourself off a bridge kind of stuff

[Mystic Mock]

Well from what I can gather he was driving to work and was supposed to drop her to creche on the way but he got distracted when he took a phone call and must have just drove straight to work, got out out of the car and went inside. I mean it's a stupid thing to do but I mean if it was a genuine accident then that guy is never going to be the same again. That's throw yourself off a bridge kind of stuff

It's definitely not the kind of thing that you'll forget that's for certain.

[AnnieK]

There are cases like this every year where people leave their children in the car. I think if you have a normal morning routine - like driving straight to work you go on auto pilot especially if the baby was quiet and sleeping.

Absolutely heartbreaking, the guy will never get over it but just awful for the baby.

[Niamh.]

It's definitely not the kind of thing that you'll forget that's for certain.

You don't choose to forget things though.

[Niamh.]

There are cases like this every year where people leave their children in the car. I think if you have a normal morning routine - like driving straight to work you go on auto pilot especially if the baby was quiet and sleeping.

Absolutely heartbreaking, the guy will never get over it but just awful for the baby.

Yeah, those were my thoughts as well. I've often drove the wrong way on my days off from working because my body and mind are so used to going a particular direction

[Mystic Mock]

You don't choose to forget things though.

You can block things out if you want to, it's just that this one won't be the kind of thing that he'll want to forget in a way.

[Niamh.]

You can block things out if you want to, it's just that this one won't be the kind of thing that he'll want to forget in a way.

What?

[AnnieK]

Yeah, those were my thoughts as well. I've often drove the wrong way on my days off from working because my body and mind are so used to going a particular direction

My mum forgot me when I was a baby once and left me in my pram outside a shop!! She got home and then remembered - obviously I was fine but it just shows how easy it is to do - she even had to walk past the pram to go home.

[Kizzy]

Oh no :(.... every year this happens, what are they thinking?

[Mystic Mock]

What?

You can choose to block out certain things that you don't want to remember.

[Niamh.]

My mum forgot me when I was a baby once and left me in my pram outside a shop!! She got home and then remembered - obviously I was fine but it just shows how easy it is to do - she even had to walk past the pram to go home.

My mom used to leave my brother at the magazine section of the supermarket while she went shopping when he was around 6 (that sounds awful now) he was mad into cars and he would sit there and look at the car magazines for the whole time. So one time she finished her shopping, loaded up the car drove home and then she remembered she'd forgotten my brother, luckily he was still sitting there looking at the magazines and hadn't noticed a thing

[Niamh.]

You can choose to block out certain things that you don't want to remember.

You think he wanted to kill his child? that's harsh

[Jason.]

How sad :sad:

I don't know how the father didn't notice he'd left her in the car though. Wouldn't he have noticed when he got out of the car and she'd still be in the back. :/

[Niamh.]

How sad :sad:

I don't know how the father didn't notice he'd left her in the car though. Wouldn't he have noticed when he got out of the car and she'd still be in the back. :/

Only if he actually looked into the back of the car which clearly he didn't

[Mystic Mock]

You think he wanted to kill his child? that's harsh

I never said that.:conf:

[Niamh.]

I never said that.:conf:

I'm really struggling to understand your posts today Mock. I thought you meant he did it on purpose when you said that you can choose to block out what you don't want to remember, what do you mean by that then?

[Kazanne]

I remember a story like this in America,the father was actually charged with murder.It's a horrible thought ,but it does happen http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/world-news/dad-charged-murder-after-leaving-3781077

It's terrible if it's a genuine mistake though.

[Jason.]

I think the real mistake here is using your phone whilst driving (if he did, it doesn't really clarify) it's distracting enough as it is on the road yet alone when there's a child in the car and you have more than one destination.

[Niamh.]

I think the real mistake here is using your phone whilst driving (if he did, it doesn't really clarify) it's distracting enough as it is on the road yet alone when there's a child in the car and you have more than one destination.

Yeah all the details aren't very clear yet, I'd imagine because there is an open Police investigation into it.

What are your thoughts on hands free calls while driving?

[Mystic Mock]

I'm really struggling to understand your posts today Mock. I thought you meant he did it on purpose when you said that you can choose to block out what you don't want to remember, what do you mean by that then?

I'm saying he won't block out that memory because it's his last memory that he has of his child, even if it's a bad one he'll want to remember it.

Oh god that really does sound cheesy.:laugh:

[Niamh.]

I'm saying he won't block out that memory because it's his last memory that he has of his child, even if it's a bad one he'll want to remember it.

Oh god that really does sound cheesy.:laugh:

I don't know how anyone could even go on after that happening, it's horrific enough to have to deal with losing a child but knowing it was your fault on top of it would be too much

[Jason.]

Yeah all the details aren't very clear yet, I'd imagine because there is an open Police investigation into it.

What are your thoughts on hands free calls while driving?

It depends on the driver really, it's safer than having the phone in your hand whilst driving as you have more control of the car.

[Niamh.]

It depends on the driver really, it's safer than having the phone in your hand whilst driving as you have more control of the car.

Well, if you're allowed to talk to passengers in the car while driving then surely hands free is ok too

[Jason.]

Well, if you're allowed to talk to passengers in the car while driving then surely hands free is ok too

Yeah, I see it as no different from talking to passengers or even listening to music.

[Cherie]

Horrific, given it wasn't him who usually dropped the child off, it's a shame the mother didn't text him to see how he got on, or the crèche ring to see why she wasn't in, its such a rare thing but a simple policy like the crèche ringing to check could have prevented the tragedy, poor man he will never get over this

[Alf]

Tragic.

[arista]

this is Tragic

[Wizard.]

Horrible but honestly what a stupid thing to forget I mean I forget my umbrella on the bus but a baby come on he needs to get his priorities straight.

[Deirdre]

I'm barely awake in the mornings, extremely forgetful. So I can see how something so tragic could happen, especially if he wasn't used to dropping her off.
I remember sometimes in school we'd have half days, and I'd have to remind my parents in the morning to pick me up at 12.30 instead of 2.30. Most times they'd forget because they'd be so used to the normal routine and I'd be waiting outside the school for 2 hours.
This reminds me of Manchester By the Sea, it's something that this Dad will never recover from.

[Denver]

How did nobody else notice?

[Wizard.]

How did nobody else notice?

Yeah like after an hour surely the nursery would ring and ask why said baby wasn't there? It's common courtesy

[Denver]

Yeah like after an hour surely the nursery would ring and ask why said baby wasn't there? It's common courtesy

Or someone walking by?

[Wizard.]

Or someone walking by?

Maybe it was asleep or dead by then.

[UserSince2005]

Horrific,

Definitely negligence, intentional or not, and he should be punished according.

[Toy Soldier]

It happens, tragically, not all that uncommonly and is a well known psychological phenomenon. Basically it does involve having a heavily ingrained autopilot routine and then deviating from that routine (like being supposed to drop someone off) and then usually a distraction of some kind... People then just default to their usual routine.

It actually happens to me the other way around quite a lot. Youngest has only recently started doing two full days at nursery, she used to only do afternoons, so I'm used to her being around in the morning. A couple of times I've had a couple of seconds of panic when it's really quiet and I can't find her before I remember she's out. And once I was doing the garden and left the front door lying open (clearly knew she was at nursery when I actually left it open), went upstairs for a while, came backs down and saw the door lying open and totally crapped myself for a minute thinking she would be out on the road :umm2:.

The brain works in strange ways. It's more based on routines and patterns than people realise... You spend more than half of your life not actually thinking about what you're doing at any one time.

[Redway]

Forgot to drop her at a crèche?


It's tragic whatever the circumstances

[smudgie]

Too tragic for words.:bawling:

[jaxie]

It's absolutely horrible. A terrible way to die. How do you forget a baby? Surely you would see her when you got out of the car, when you locked it?

[Niamh.]

It's absolutely horrible. A terrible way to die. How do you forget a baby? Surely you would see her when you got out of the car, when you locked it?
He clearly didnt though, alot of times I'm almost to the door of work before I hit the lock button on my key

[Kizzy]

There was a case like this a couple of years ago, then it turned out the guy did it on purpose though :(

[Niamh.]

There was a case like this a couple of years ago, then it turned out the guy did it on purpose though :(
Jesus :/

[James]

There are cases like this every year where people leave their children in the car. I think if you have a normal morning routine - like driving straight to work you go on auto pilot especially if the baby was quiet and sleeping.

Absolutely heartbreaking, the guy will never get over it but just awful for the baby.

Yeah, those were my thoughts as well. I've often drove the wrong way on my days off from working because my body and mind are so used to going a particular direction

It happens, tragically, not all that uncommonly and is a well known psychological phenomenon. Basically it does involve having a heavily ingrained autopilot routine and then deviating from that routine (like being supposed to drop someone off) and then usually a distraction of some kind... People then just default to their usual routine.

It actually happens to me the other way around quite a lot. Youngest has only recently started doing two full days at nursery, she used to only do afternoons, so I'm used to her being around in the morning. A couple of times I've had a couple of seconds of panic when it's really quiet and I can't find her before I remember she's out. And once I was doing the garden and left the front door lying open (clearly knew she was at nursery when I actually left it open), went upstairs for a while, came backs down and saw the door lying open and totally crapped myself for a minute thinking she would be out on the road :umm2:.

The brain works in strange ways. It's more based on routines and patterns than people realise... You spend more than half of your life not actually thinking about what you're doing at any one time.

Yeah, your mind gets into patterns of doing things if you repeat them over-and-over. I've noticed this a bit with me recently.

[Kizzy]

Jesus :/

http://www.thisisbigbrother.com/forums/showthread.php?t=251098&highlight=justin+ross+harris

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/justin-ross-harris-life-sentence-son-hot-car-death-a7458216.html

[Niamh.]

http://www.thisisbigbrother.com/forums/showthread.php?t=251098&highlight=justin+ross+harris

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/justin-ross-harris-life-sentence-son-hot-car-death-a7458216.html
God thats horrific.

[Kizzy]

I know :(

[DemolitionRed]

What a tragic story. This is so awful for both the baby and the dad.

I left my dog down at the horse yard one day and didn't remember I'd left him until I got a phone call from the stables saying, "the last we saw of your dog was him legging it up the road behind your car. Did he catch up with you?"

By the time I found him, he had crossed a busy dual carriageway and run along a very busy highway. Fortunately he was okay but I never worked out why I forgot him that day. I was obviously distracted in some way.

[Mystic Mock]

I don't know how anyone could even go on after that happening, it's horrific enough to have to deal with losing a child but knowing it was your fault on top of it would be too much

Well it's not really something I would like to find out, but in all honesty stuff like that is hard to predict as people handle tragic moments in different ways, some carry the grief for the rest of their lives, and others do decide what I think you was implying and just can't take it anymore and end it because they can't cope with losing the child.

Hopefully this guy will be able to go on.

[Amy Jade]

I have mixed feelings really, I understand it was a mistake and the guy will be devestated it's unimagineable. Then again you can't blame anyone but him - it was his duty of care to make sure the baby got to the care givers.

I feel it's cruel to attack him like I am sure other places will but imo he'll feel incredibly bad already no need to add to his suffering. Let the court decide idk

[Kizzy]

It was neglect, lots of people have routines and lots to do and remember every day.

[Toy Soldier]

It was neglect, lots of people have routines and lots to do and remember every day.

The point is that it happens when it's NOT part of the usual routine, though. If the person involved has genuinely no idea that they're leaving a child in a car then it's not neglect... neglect is conscious. For example, leaving a child somewhere believing that "they'll be fine" without considering the danger, or simply not giving a ****. That's not the case here.

[Kizzy]

The point is that it happens when it's NOT part of the usual routine, though. If the person involved has genuinely no idea that they're leaving a child in a car then it's not neglect... neglect is conscious. For example, leaving a child somewhere believing that "they'll be fine" without considering the danger, or simply not giving a ****. That's not the case here.

Yes... And my point is many have routines and they still remember to do things.

[Toy Soldier]

Yes... And my point is many have routines and they still remember to do things.
As I'm sure this man does 99.99% of the time. It's is a freak psychological occurrence but it happens to everyone. Absolutely everyone, to some degree. The only difference is that usually when it happens it's something minor that doesn't end in tragedy... Like accidentally putting your keys in the fridge and then having no idea what you've done with them. Or a customer of mine - drives into town every day, Parks in the same place - on a nice day decided to walk in, then an hour later he was in a panic convinced that his car had been stolen... when he hadn't brought it in the first place.