Corbyn does an Abbott..

[smudgie]

Oh dear, Mr Corbyn appears to have caught the bumbling mumbling figure blindness from Dianne Abbott.
Just watched him live on a telephone interview, when asked about the costing of his free childcare for all 3 and 4 year olds the best he could come up with was " a lot" .
When asked how much it would cost he was totally lost, the person interviewing him mentioned him not being able to give the costing even with the help of an iPad or his notes.

[UserSince2005]

poor man hes too old for this ****, hes memory isnt all there. dont be mean.

[Kazanne]

Embarrassing

[Denver]

Labour fans will still think he is the greatest thing since sliced bread

[Denver]

www.standard.co.uk/news/politics/jeremy-corbyn-looks-up-figures-on-ipad-as-he-is-challenged-on-spending-in-car-crash-radio-interview-a3552101.html

interview here

[joeysteele]

I wish politicians would just say the actual needed figure is not yet calculated.
All things admittedly cannot be exactly stated.

I for instance know it's coming but have really no idea how much my domestic bills will be exactly.

It's great though as to prediction and vice versa too I admit.
How the same voices jump on anything Labour don't clarify exactly, yet are eager in their support for a woman,who first brings in a social care policy that will have no cap originally.
Then after a few bad headlines changes it to that there will be a cap.
Then cannot even give any single idea of what such a cap will be set at.

They happily ignore and even support that in her but have no tolerance for those they hold a likely personal preference against.
As I do against the heartless cruel Mrs May but at least I admit I do that.

Politicians of all Parties have to learn they need to be on top of every single figure for what they propose.
Because those opposed to them will never remember all the ones they are spot on with and will eagerly jump on the odd few they have little answer to.

Corbyn has informed of the bulk of Labour's policy costs,Mrs May keeps saying we have to wait and see,yet gets away scot-free with that.
Unbelievable.

[Withano]

He didn't know the exact figure to a very specific question and he's still the greatest thing since sliced bread. What a hero.

[smudgie]

He didn't know the exact figure to a very specific question and he's still the greatest thing since sliced bread. What a hero.
:laugh::laugh: he couldn't even take a stab at it, and the question asked was about his manifesto.

[Wizard.]

What a joke and all the comments are like "that's so unfair Tories would just make it up" but if it was a Tory they'd be slagging them off I can't stand this hypocrisy and I can't wait until Theresa wins with her massive landslide to kill off these opinions once and for all.

[Kazanne]

What a joke and all the comments are like "that's so unfair Tories would just make it up" but if it was a Tory they'd be slagging them off I can't stand this hypocrisy and I can't wait until Theresa wins with her massive landslide to kill off these opinions once and for all.

Excellent post Riley.

[Denver]

:laugh::laugh: he couldn't even take a stab at it, and the question asked was about his manifesto.

The greatest thing though is when she said you have an Ipad infront of you he replied can we come back to it later :laugh3:

[smudgie]

The greatest thing though is when she said you have an Ipad infront of you he replied can we come back to it later :laugh3:

The thing is, it was about the actual launch of the childcare policy.:laugh::laugh:

[King Gizzard]

Yet Tories openly admit they have 50 uncosted policies and it's fine and they're not pulled up on it? Jeremy cant recall a figure and everyone's up in arms :joker: I don't believe in BBC bias but on this occasion I do.

[joeysteele]

Yet Tories openly admit they have 50 uncosted policies and it's fine and they're not pulled up on it? Jeremy cant recall a figure and everyone's up in arms :joker: I don't believe in BBC bias but on this occasion I do.

It's beyond belief Nathan.

[Kazanne]

Yet Tories openly admit they have 50 uncosted policies and it's fine and they're not pulled up on it? Jeremy cant recall a figure and everyone's up in arms :joker: I don't believe in BBC bias but on this occasion I do.

But they are telling us the truth,people will doubt Corbyn if he says he IS doing something but cant remember the figures,

[Jack_]

I can't wait until Theresa wins with her massive landslide to kill off these opinions once and for all.

yaaaasss let's silence all opposition! Crush the saboteurs! Kill democracy! :cheer2:

I won't ever be silenced, no matter how many people vote for this disgusting **** of a woman. I'll continue to call them out for their deliberate and systematic underfunding and undermining of the NHS, their ruinous education policies, their abhorrent mistreatment of the disabled, their three-time lies about immigration targets and 'balancing the budget', their perpetuation of the myth of austerity which makes the worst off pay for a crisis they never caused and conversely their tax cuts for the wealthiest, their commitment to allow an already intrusive media to not be properly regulated in return for a proverbial dick sucking by Dacre and the Murdoch press, their piss taking of their core voter base in pensioners, their bare faced lies on worker's rights they don't care about (and can't be defended affordably), their slashing of police numbers despite being warned it would weaken the prevention and responses to a terror attack, their u-turns on manifesto pledges both in office and on the campaign trail, their bloodthirst for foxes, their wilful ignorance of the siphoning off of profits to tax havens by multinational corporations, their massaging of employment figures so they can increase the number of insecure and zero-hour jobs, their utter ****ing lie in attributing the name 'living wage' to a benchmark that isn't the ****ing living wage, and so on and so ****ing forth.

I do not care how many turkeys vote for Christmas, because one day - even if it's in twenty years - I and all of the others who warned what this appalling party would do to our country will be vindicated. At what cost in the meantime? God only knows, but I'm confident when the effects of Tory austerity starts trickling down to the 'I'm alright Jack' members of the electorate, things will change. Such is the omnipresent poison of neoliberal ideology.

Anyway, this was excruciating to watch but like I said when I defended Tories such as the ****ing Chancellor when he thought the cost of HS2 was £2billion less than what it actually is, politicians are human beings and not robots, even if Theresa 'strong and stable' May seems otherwise. And of course, as Joey has already alluded to; Labour cost their manifesto and Corbyn can't recall a specific figure, the Tories cost nothing and refuse to elaborate when pressed for details. The former is berated, the latter nobody cares. Why? Because the Conservative's invisibility cloak strikes again. It makes me ****ing sick.

[joeysteele]

But they are telling us the truth,people will doubt Corbyn if he says he IS doing something but cant remember the figures,

How are they telling anyone the truth when they omit the real costs of their policies,give no figures even as to their own caps.
How on earth is that the truth, that is at best being devious and worst downright deceitful.
Crikey,I despair I really do how the Cons get away with it.

For crying out loud be fair,they haven't told the truth as to their policies and what their policies would do for years.

[Tom4784]

You come down hard on this but you give Theresa May a free pass on literally dodging any and all questions she doesn't like, refuses to go into specifics about anything and relies on catchphrases over statements of actual substance? The hypocrisy is real.

[Tom4784]

But they are telling us the truth,people will doubt Corbyn if he says he IS doing something but cant remember the figures,

That's hypocritical, how can you say they are telling the truth when they are refusing to name specifics or even commit to a solid answer? Both are telltale signs of lying Why are you letting the Tories get away with lying and vague nonsensical manifestos but are damning Jeremy for getting a figure wrong in an interview?

It's beyond hypocrisy.

[Kazanne]

How are they telling anyone the truth when they omit the real costs of their policies,give no figures even as to their own caps.
How on earth is that the truth, that is at best being devious and worst downright deceitful.
Crikey,I despair I really do how the Cons get away with it.

For crying out loud be fair,they haven't told the truth as to their policies and what their policies would do for years.

lol,Joey IF they have said they openly admit they have 50 uncosted policies,how is that a lie ? they admitted it,that's all I was trying to get across.

[Kazanne]

That's hypocritical, how can you say they are telling the truth when they are refusing to name specifics or even commit to a solid answer? Both are telltale signs of lying Why are you letting the Tories get away with lying and vague nonsensical manifestos but are damning Jeremy for getting a figure wrong in an interview?

It's beyond hypocrisy.

He didn't get it wrong he didn't know it:shrug:

[joeysteele]

lol,Joey IF they have said they openly admit they have 50 uncosted policies,how is that a lie ? they admitted it,that's all I was trying to get across.

So they are to be trusted because they say they admit they have uncosted policies.
If you were offered holidays that sounded possibly appealing but you couldn't be told the actual full cost of same.
Would that be a holiday you'd jump at,not having any idea of the costings.

They are lying pure and simple and I say again anyone who believes a word this deceitful woman says,namely Mrs May after her record,and from all she stands for and supports I will never understand why they do,or more to the point,why they'd have scrap of admiration and support for her.
I do honestly despair,I really do.

[joeysteele]

He didn't get it wrong he didn't know it:shrug:

Have you never ever forgotten something when asked on the spur of the moment.
I certainly have.

He didn't know it you say,the near whole Con manifesto is filled with policies they don't know the real costs of,however I think the Cons know most of them but dare not reveal them for the chaos they know their plans will bring to those who will be affected by them.
This set of Cons being devious,deceitful liars very adept at doing so and conning voters too.

[JTM45]

They are lying pure and simple and I say again anyone who believes a word this deceitful woman says,namely Mrs May after her record,and from all she stands for and supports I will never understand why they do,or more to the point,why they'd have scrap of admiration and support for her.
I do honestly despair,I really do.

Judging by the Tory supporters around here it would appear that they're very easily fooled. If they're lied to from a very slightly different angle they're convinced that they're being told the truth!:laugh:

I feel your despair Joey.

[Tom4784]

He didn't get it wrong he didn't know it:shrug:

So why are you going in on him but ignoring the fact that Theresa May doesn't actually say anything when she speaks? You tear him apart over an honest mistake when he has typically been more candid and open with the workings of his manifesto when you are in support of Theresa May's when it contains nothing but vague half promises and outs for her to u-turn when the manifesto no longer suits her.

[Kazanne]

Have you never ever forgotten something when asked on the spur of the moment.
I certainly have.

He didn't know it you say,the near whole Con manifesto is filled with policies they don't know the real costs of,however I think the Cons know most of them but dare not reveal them for the chaos they know their plans will bring to those who will be affected by them.
This set of Cons being devious,deceitful liars very adept at doing so and conning voters too.

I have Joey all the time,but come on it's kinda tit for tat if May did the same as he has ,she is mauled to death,it's just swings and roundabouts.:wavey:

[DemolitionRed]

yaaaasss let's silence all opposition! Crush the saboteurs! Kill democracy! :cheer2:

I won't ever be silenced, no matter how many people vote for this disgusting **** of a woman. I'll continue to call them out for their deliberate and systematic underfunding and undermining of the NHS, their ruinous education policies, their abhorrent mistreatment of the disabled, their three-time lies about immigration targets and 'balancing the budget', their perpetuation of the myth of austerity which makes the worst off pay for a crisis they never caused and conversely their tax cuts for the wealthiest, their commitment to allow an already intrusive media to not be properly regulated in return for a proverbial dick sucking by Dacre and the Murdoch press, their piss taking of their core voter base in pensioners, their bare faced lies on worker's rights they don't care about (and can't be defended affordably), their slashing of police numbers despite being warned it would weaken the prevention and responses to a terror attack, their u-turns on manifesto pledges both in office and on the campaign trail, their bloodthirst for foxes, their wilful ignorance of the siphoning off of profits to tax havens by multinational corporations, their massaging of employment figures so they can increase the number of insecure and zero-hour jobs, their utter ****ing lie in attributing the name 'living wage' to a benchmark that isn't the ****ing living wage, and so on and so ****ing forth.

I do not care how many turkeys vote for Christmas, because one day - even if it's in twenty years - I and all of the others who warned what this appalling party would do to our country will be vindicated. At what cost in the meantime? God only knows, but I'm confident when the effects of Tory austerity starts trickling down to the 'I'm alright Jack' members of the electorate, things will change. Such is the omnipresent poison of neoliberal ideology.

Anyway, this was excruciating to watch but like I said when I defended Tories such as the ****ing Chancellor when he thought the cost of HS2 was £2billion less than what it actually is, politicians are human beings and not robots, even if Theresa 'strong and stable' May seems otherwise. And of course, as Joey has already alluded to; Labour cost their manifesto and Corbyn can't recall a specific figure, the Tories cost nothing and refuse to elaborate when pressed for details. The former is berated, the latter nobody cares. Why? Because the Conservative's invisibility cloak strikes again. It makes me ****ing sick.

Jack for PM :dance:

[Denver]

What has labour every done for the country except destroy it?

[DemolitionRed]

I've just watched the interview and I have to wonder if Emma Barnett framed that question based on either her own or her audiences ignorance.

I don't mean the 'child care' question but the question that followed when Corbyn couldn't come up with a figure. "is this an indication that voters shouldn't trust Labour with their money?!? WTF... Who's money?

[Brother Leon]

At least he didn't do a "Vote for me and you will see and find out" like his opposition leader.

[DemolitionRed]

What has labour every done for the country except destroy it?

If you have to ask that question you clearly don't want to know the answer.

[Kazanne]

At least he didn't do a "Vote for me and you will see and find out" like his opposition leader.

I like surprises:hee:

[joeysteele]

I have Joey all the time,but come on it's kinda tit for tat if May did the same as he has ,she is mauled to death,it's just swings and roundabouts.:wavey:

Well no,because you don't criticise her for her devious way of refusing to inform voters of all costs.
If Labour were concealing all their figures and costings as she has,then I would and have in the past criticised them.
I even did state in my post here I think politicians should know their costings,one error of not knowing figures,when he has already revealed loads in fairness warrants a bit of tolerance.

It's a bit rich for people to hammer him for one failure to give an accurate figure while totally excusing your Mrs May and her team for not giving any at all.
I'm really both shocked and surprised.

I really hope I'd be fairer than that.

[jaxie]

What has labour every done for the country except destroy it?

Well they did give us the National Health Service. Many, many, many years ago.

[Denver]

Well they did give us the National Health Service. Many, many, many years ago.

One thing they did 70 odd years ago is not good enough though

[joeysteele]

Jack for PM :dance:

Yeah,I'd vote for Jack_ for sure DR.

[reece(:]

Jezza is human at least and not a malfunctioning robot like Tula.

[reece(:]

Yet Tories openly admit they have 50 uncosted policies and it's fine and they're not pulled up on it? Jeremy cant recall a figure and everyone's up in arms :joker: I don't believe in BBC bias but on this occasion I do.

:clap1:

[Beso]

Just watched this...poor man almost burst into tears.

[Mystic Mock]

But they are telling us the truth,people will doubt Corbyn if he says he IS doing something but cant remember the figures,

BIB, the only time the Tories tell the truth is when it's to punish the working class, the disabled, or the working class disabled.

[Beso]

Nice to see the labour supporters hurling anti semetic abuse at the reporter for daring to ask such a taxing question.

[DemolitionRed]

Labour-Since being elected in 1997

1. Longest period of sustained low inflation since the 60s.
2. Low mortgage rates.
3. Introduced the National Minimum Wage and raised it to £5.52.
4. Over 14,000 more police in England and Wales.
5. Cut overall crime by 32 per cent.
6. Record levels of literacy and numeracy in schools.
7. Young people achieving some of the best ever results at 14, 16, and 18.
8. Funding for every pupil in England has doubled.
9. Employment is at its highest level ever.
10. Written off up to 100 per cent of debt owed by poorest countries.
11. 85,000 more nurses.
12. 32,000 more doctors.
13. Brought back matrons to hospital wards.
14. Devolved power to the Scottish Parliament.
15. Devolved power to the Welsh Assembly.
16. Dads now get paternity leave of 2 weeks for the first time.
17. NHS Direct offering free convenient patient advice.
18. Gift aid was worth £828 million to charities last year.
19. Restored city-wide government to London.
20. Record number of students in higher education.
21. Child benefit up 26 per cent since 1997.
22. Delivered 2,200 Sure Start Children’s Centres.
23. Introduced the Equality and Human Rights Commission.
24. £200 winter fuel payment to pensioners & up to £300 for over-80s.
25. On course to exceed our Kyoto target for reducing greenhouse gas emissions.
26. Restored devolved government to Northern Ireland.
27. Over 36,000 more teachers in England and 274,000 more support staff and teaching assistants.
28. All full time workers now have a right to 24 days paid holiday.
29. A million pensioners lifted out of poverty.
30. 600,000 children lifted out of relative poverty.
31. Introduced child tax credit giving more money to parents.
32. Scrapped Section 28 and introduced Civil Partnerships.
33. Brought over 1 million social homes up to standard.
34. Inpatient waiting lists down by over half a million since 1997.
35. Banned fox hunting.
36. Cleanest rivers, beaches, drinking water and air since before the industrial revolution.
37. Free TV licences for over-75s.
38. Banned fur farming and the testing of cosmetics on animals.
39. Free breast cancer screening for all women aged between 50-70.
40. Free off peak local bus travel for over-60s.
41. New Deal – helped over 1.8 million people into work.
42. Over 3 million child trust funds have been started.
43. Free eye test for over 60s.
44. More than doubled the number of apprenticeships.
45. Free entry to national museums and galleries.
46. Overseas aid budget more than doubled.
47. Heart disease deaths down by 150,000 and cancer deaths down by 50,000.
48. Cut long-term youth unemployment by 75 per cent.
49. Free nursery places for every three and four-year-olds.
50. Free fruit for most four to six-year-olds at school.

[Mystic Mock]

What has labour every done for the country except destroy it?

The NHS was working better, less homeless people on the streets, no heat or eat scenarios for the working class, no Bedroom Tax, no negative targeting of the disabled, no possibility of the Dementia Tax on the dying elderly, people generally being alot happier in their lives and other groups of people.

Do I really have to go on?

[joeysteele]

BIB, the only time the Tories tell the truth is when it's to punish the working class, the disabled, or the working class disabled.

Absolutely dead right there Mock, anything she intends to do in attacking and humiliating those sick and disabled,even those terminally Ill too.
Then they'll reveal the truth as to their heartless and gutless policies.

I say gutless as they can only attack people,(and even animals actually),who are at their weakest and lowest point,unbelievably getting support to do so as well.

[smudgie]

Labour-Since being elected in 1997

1. Longest period of sustained low inflation since the 60s.
2. Low mortgage rates.
3. Introduced the National Minimum Wage and raised it to £5.52.
4. Over 14,000 more police in England and Wales.
5. Cut overall crime by 32 per cent.
6. Record levels of literacy and numeracy in schools.
7. Young people achieving some of the best ever results at 14, 16, and 18.
8. Funding for every pupil in England has doubled.
9. Employment is at its highest level ever.
10. Written off up to 100 per cent of debt owed by poorest countries.
11. 85,000 more nurses.
12. 32,000 more doctors.
13. Brought back matrons to hospital wards.
14. Devolved power to the Scottish Parliament.
15. Devolved power to the Welsh Assembly.
16. Dads now get paternity leave of 2 weeks for the first time.
17. NHS Direct offering free convenient patient advice.
18. Gift aid was worth £828 million to charities last year.
19. Restored city-wide government to London.
20. Record number of students in higher education.
21. Child benefit up 26 per cent since 1997.
22. Delivered 2,200 Sure Start Children’s Centres.
23. Introduced the Equality and Human Rights Commission.
24. £200 winter fuel payment to pensioners & up to £300 for over-80s.
25. On course to exceed our Kyoto target for reducing greenhouse gas emissions.
26. Restored devolved government to Northern Ireland.
27. Over 36,000 more teachers in England and 274,000 more support staff and teaching assistants.
28. All full time workers now have a right to 24 days paid holiday.
29. A million pensioners lifted out of poverty.
30. 600,000 children lifted out of relative poverty.
31. Introduced child tax credit giving more money to parents.
32. Scrapped Section 28 and introduced Civil Partnerships.
33. Brought over 1 million social homes up to standard.
34. Inpatient waiting lists down by over half a million since 1997.
35. Banned fox hunting.
36. Cleanest rivers, beaches, drinking water and air since before the industrial revolution.
37. Free TV licences for over-75s.
38. Banned fur farming and the testing of cosmetics on animals.
39. Free breast cancer screening for all women aged between 50-70.
40. Free off peak local bus travel for over-60s.
41. New Deal – helped over 1.8 million people into work.
42. Over 3 million child trust funds have been started.
43. Free eye test for over 60s.
44. More than doubled the number of apprenticeships.
45. Free entry to national museums and galleries.
46. Overseas aid budget more than doubled.
47. Heart disease deaths down by 150,000 and cancer deaths down by 50,000.
48. Cut long-term youth unemployment by 75 per cent.
49. Free nursery places for every three and four-year-olds.
50. Free fruit for most four to six-year-olds at school.

Ahh, so new Labour worked then.:joker:

[Mystic Mock]

Absolutely dead right there Mock, anything she intends to do in attacking and humiliating those sick and disabled,even those terminally Ill too.
Then they'll reveal the truth as to their heartless and gutless policies.

I say gutless as they can only attack people,(and even animals actually),who are at their weakest and lowest point,unbelievably getting support to do so as well.

Sadly it's not just May that's gutless though Joey, it's that entire party.

[DemolitionRed]

And here's what the Tory party have done since 2005
1. Election fraud 30 Tories are facing the prospect of criminal prosecution
2. Longest fall in value of wages since records began
3. Spectacularly missed economic targets
4. The austerity con
5. Massive NHS cuts
6. Systematic abuse of disabled people
7. NHS recruitment crisis
8. Huge rise in child poverty
9. The harshest cuts of all on poor families and children
10. The lowest level of house building since the 1920s
11. Contempt for private sector tenants (voted down a bill to stop slum landlords)
12. Public transport chaos
13. Biggest education funding cuts in decades
14. The school privatization agenda
15. Rip off tuition fees. English students now face the highest fees in the world to study.
16. Huge rise in food bank dependency.
17. The Hinkley Point C Scandal (using tax payers cash!)
18. Social care crisis coincided with the biggest increase in death rate since the 1960’s
19. Defunding of local government
20. Tax-dodging corporate outsourcing parasites
21. Five service cuts 30% on fire services. Closure of 39 fire stations and the loss of 10,000 jobs
22. Police cuts. Axed 34,000 police jobs. Crime has risen by 96% since the cuts.
23. Sweetheart tax deals. Allowing massive tax cuts to companies like Google.
24. The snooper charter. The most extreme state surveillance in the world.
25. Dictators and despots. Sucking up to Islamic tyrants in SA
26. Contempt of human rights.
27. Taxpayer subsidised malice (anti welfare schemes)
28. Rising inequality. The worst collapse in the value of peoples wages on record.
29. U-turn after U-turn
30. Threat of a no deal Brexit.

[the truth]

So why are you going in on him but ignoring the fact that Theresa May doesn't actually say anything when she speaks? You tear him apart over an honest mistake when he has typically been more candid and open with the workings of his manifesto when you are in support of Theresa May's when it contains nothing but vague half promises and outs for her to u-turn when the manifesto no longer suits her.

he knows no figures, goodness me it is pathetic

[Beso]

Labour-Since being elected in 1997

1. Longest period of sustained low inflation since the 60s.
2. Low mortgage rates.
3. Introduced the National Minimum Wage and raised it to £5.52.
4. Over 14,000 more police in England and Wales.
5. Cut overall crime by 32 per cent.
6. Record levels of literacy and numeracy in schools.
7. Young people achieving some of the best ever results at 14, 16, and 18.
8. Funding for every pupil in England has doubled.
9. Employment is at its highest level ever.
10. Written off up to 100 per cent of debt owed by poorest countries.
11. 85,000 more nurses.
12. 32,000 more doctors.
13. Brought back matrons to hospital wards.
14. Devolved power to the Scottish Parliament.
15. Devolved power to the Welsh Assembly.
16. Dads now get paternity leave of 2 weeks for the first time.
17. NHS Direct offering free convenient patient advice.
18. Gift aid was worth £828 million to charities last year.
19. Restored city-wide government to London.
20. Record number of students in higher education.
21. Child benefit up 26 per cent since 1997.
22. Delivered 2,200 Sure Start Children’s Centres.
23. Introduced the Equality and Human Rights Commission.
24. £200 winter fuel payment to pensioners & up to £300 for over-80s.
25. On course to exceed our Kyoto target for reducing greenhouse gas emissions.
26. Restored devolved government to Northern Ireland.
27. Over 36,000 more teachers in England and 274,000 more support staff and teaching assistants.
28. All full time workers now have a right to 24 days paid holiday.
29. A million pensioners lifted out of poverty.
30. 600,000 children lifted out of relative poverty.
31. Introduced child tax credit giving more money to parents.
32. Scrapped Section 28 and introduced Civil Partnerships.
33. Brought over 1 million social homes up to standard.
34. Inpatient waiting lists down by over half a million since 1997.
35. Banned fox hunting.
36. Cleanest rivers, beaches, drinking water and air since before the industrial revolution.
37. Free TV licences for over-75s.
38. Banned fur farming and the testing of cosmetics on animals.
39. Free breast cancer screening for all women aged between 50-70.
40. Free off peak local bus travel for over-60s.
41. New Deal – helped over 1.8 million people into work.
42. Over 3 million child trust funds have been started.
43. Free eye test for over 60s.
44. More than doubled the number of apprenticeships.
45. Free entry to national museums and galleries.
46. Overseas aid budget more than doubled.
47. Heart disease deaths down by 150,000 and cancer deaths down by 50,000.
48. Cut long-term youth unemployment by 75 per cent.
49. Free nursery places for every three and four-year-olds.
50. Free fruit for most four to six-year-olds at school.

You missed no 51....allowed paedophiles to continue abusing children.

[Beso]

And here's what the Tory party have done since 2005
1. Election fraud 30 Tories are facing the prospect of criminal prosecution
2. Longest fall in value of wages since records began
3. Spectacularly missed economic targets
4. The austerity con
5. Massive NHS cuts
6. Systematic abuse of disabled people
7. NHS recruitment crisis
8. Huge rise in child poverty
9. The harshest cuts of all on poor families and children
10. The lowest level of house building since the 1920s
11. Contempt for private sector tenants (voted down a bill to stop slum landlords)
12. Public transport chaos
13. Biggest education funding cuts in decades
14. The school privatization agenda
15. Rip off tuition fees. English students now face the highest fees in the world to study.
16. Huge rise in food bank dependency.
17. The Hinkley Point C Scandal (using tax payers cash!)
18. Social care crisis coincided with the biggest increase in death rate since the 1960’s
19. Defunding of local government
20. Tax-dodging corporate outsourcing parasites
21. Five service cuts 30% on fire services. Closure of 39 fire stations and the loss of 10,000 jobs
22. Police cuts. Axed 34,000 police jobs. Crime has risen by 96% since the cuts.
23. Sweetheart tax deals. Allowing massive tax cuts to companies like Google.
24. The snooper charter. The most extreme state surveillance in the world.
25. Dictators and despots. Sucking up to Islamic tyrants in SA
26. Contempt of human rights.
27. Taxpayer subsidised malice (anti welfare schemes)
28. Rising inequality. The worst collapse in the value of peoples wages on record.
29. U-turn after U-turn
30. Threat of a no deal Brexit.


Considering the exiting labour chancellor left a note on a table saying "sorry, no money left" they have done ok.

[Beso]

And here's what the Tory party have done since 2005
1. Election fraud 30 Tories are facing the prospect of criminal prosecution
2. Longest fall in value of wages since records began
3. Spectacularly missed economic targets
4. The austerity con
5. Massive NHS cuts
6. Systematic abuse of disabled people
7. NHS recruitment crisis
8. Huge rise in child poverty
9. The harshest cuts of all on poor families and children
10. The lowest level of house building since the 1920s
11. Contempt for private sector tenants (voted down a bill to stop slum landlords)
12. Public transport chaos
13. Biggest education funding cuts in decades
14. The school privatization agenda
15. Rip off tuition fees. English students now face the highest fees in the world to study.
16. Huge rise in food bank dependency.
17. The Hinkley Point C Scandal (using tax payers cash!)
18. Social care crisis coincided with the biggest increase in death rate since the 1960’s
19. Defunding of local government
20. Tax-dodging corporate outsourcing parasites
21. Five service cuts 30% on fire services. Closure of 39 fire stations and the loss of 10,000 jobs
22. Police cuts. Axed 34,000 police jobs. Crime has risen by 96% since the cuts.
23. Sweetheart tax deals. Allowing massive tax cuts to companies like Google.
24. The snooper charter. The most extreme state surveillance in the world.
25. Dictators and despots. Sucking up to Islamic tyrants in SA
26. Contempt of human rights.
27. Taxpayer subsidised malice (anti welfare schemes)
28. Rising inequality. The worst collapse in the value of peoples wages on record.
29. U-turn after U-turn
30. Threat of a no deal Brexit.

Number 15..
Bollox..8th highest.

[the truth]

You missed no 51....allowed paedophiles to continue abusing children.

We went bankrupt, had the filthiest hospitals in europe where people had record mrsa diseases , record numbers died of clots and 1000s died of thirst and neglect as the public sectors performance and cover ups got ever worse, labour introduced tuition fees, they deregulated the banks which brought on an even worse credit crash, oversaw the housing market collapse, created a bigger gap between rich and poor than for 200 years, introduced 3000 petty laws and endless stealth taxes, encouraged breeding for benefits with their limitless handouts to non working families...treated oaps in care homes worse than prisoners, sold us out to europe, brought in nearly 8 million increased population in 13 years, nearly broke up the UK, destroyed freedom of speech and civil liberties, oh and they killed 1 milllion innocent iraqis on the back of pure lies

[Beso]

We went bankrupt, had the filthiest hospitals in europe where people had record mrsa diseases , record numbers died of clots and 1000s died of thirst and neglect as the public sectors performance and cover ups got ever worse oh and they killed 1 milllion innocent iraqis on the back of pure lies

All true...

[Denver]

Funny how labour supporters refuse to acknowledge all the innocent people Tony Blair and Labour had murdered

[the truth]

Funny how labour supporters refuse to acknowledge all the innocent people Tony Blair and Labour had murdered

oh but him and the other murderers dont count as labour, thats new labour? righto burnham, harmon, prescott, the lot fo them all voted for this disgusting illegal war and all mocked the late great tony benn for properly opposing it

[MTVN]

Corbyn was on air this morning to specifically promote this policy but didn't know the most basic detail about it

He regularly gets caught out not knowing his brief and has to be bailed out by his advisors later, this is not a one off

[smudgie]

I left it at No.1 .
Who are these 30 Tories facing prosecution.:laugh:

[DemolitionRed]

You missed no 51....allowed paedophiles to continue abusing children.

Try googling Tory party paedophiles.

[Kazanne]

Try googling Tory party paedophiles.

Jesus, how childish is this going to get.:joker:

[DemolitionRed]

Number 15..
Bollox..8th highest.

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/education/university-tuition-fees-england-highest-world-compare-students-student-loan-calculator-a7654276.html

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/education/universityeducation/12013303/University-students-in-England-pay-the-highest-tuition-fees-in-the-world.html

http://www.thedebrief.co.uk/news/politics/uk-university-fees-are-now-the-highest-in-the-whole-world-20170366930

[DemolitionRed]

We went bankrupt, had the filthiest hospitals in europe where people had record mrsa diseases , record numbers died of clots and 1000s died of thirst and neglect as the public sectors performance and cover ups got ever worse, labour introduced tuition fees, they deregulated the banks which brought on an even worse credit crash, oversaw the housing market collapse, created a bigger gap between rich and poor than for 200 years, introduced 3000 petty laws and endless stealth taxes, encouraged breeding for benefits with their limitless handouts to non working families...treated oaps in care homes worse than prisoners, sold us out to europe, brought in nearly 8 million increased population in 13 years, nearly broke up the UK, destroyed freedom of speech and civil liberties, oh and they killed 1 milllion innocent iraqis on the back of pure lies

Here's an impartial view by economists and non-economists. You should read it https://mainlymacro.blogspot.co.uk/2015/04/how-can-labour-say-it-didnt-crash.html

[Beso]

Try googling Tory party paedophiles.

I did.
http://www.conspiracytruths.co.uk/mpscovictedofsexoffense.html

Check the numbers.

Alec dyer atkins.
Mark trotter
Martin locklyn
George hardins
Derek payne
David spooner
Nicholas green
John winstanly
Mark tann.


All vile disgusting paedophiles and labour.


Can only see 4 paedo related conservatives.

[DemolitionRed]

Corbyn was on air this morning to specifically promote this policy but didn't know the most basic detail about it

He regularly gets caught out not knowing his brief and has to be bailed out by his advisors later, this is not a one off

He's not an economist though is he? May's not an economist either. They have to try and memorize hundreds of different figures, that's why May refuses to answer fiscal questions because she admits she'd never remember the figures.

Corbyn offered to look at his Mac-book but she was having none of it. As someone who works with money and has to run money management meetings on a regular basis, I couldn't go into those meetings without notes. Perhaps I'm a bit stupid (as some on here often imply) or perhaps I'm just human.

[Beso]

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/education/university-tuition-fees-england-highest-world-compare-students-student-loan-calculator-a7654276.html

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/education/universityeducation/12013303/University-students-in-England-pay-the-highest-tuition-fees-in-the-world.html

http://www.thedebrief.co.uk/news/politics/uk-university-fees-are-now-the-highest-in-the-whole-world-20170366930

Depends how you judge it..your links doesnt take into account the percentage of salary that gets spent on tuition fees..when you take the uks higher earnings thN other countriea..uk comes out 8th....

http://www.independent.co.uk/student/the-11-most-expensive-countries-for-a-university-education-a6788436.html

[smudgie]

He's not an economist though is he? May's not an economist either. They have to try and memorize hundreds of different figures, that's why May refuses to answer fiscal questions because she admits she'd never remember the figures.

Corbyn offered to look at his Mac-book but she was having none of it. As someone who works with money and has to run money management meetings on a regular basis, I couldn't go into those meetings without notes. Perhaps I'm a bit stupid (as some on here often imply) or perhaps I'm just human.

I would agree with most of that, other than the fact he was launching the actual policy, that's why he was there, one figure is all he needed to memorise.:shrug:

[MTVN]

He's not an economist though is he? May's not an economist either. They have to try and memorize hundreds of different figures, that's why May refuses to answer fiscal questions because she admits she'd never remember the figures.

Corbyn offered to look at his Mac-book but she was having none of it. As someone who works with money and has to run money management meetings on a regular basis, I couldn't go into those meetings without notes. Perhaps I'm a bit stupid (as some on here often imply) or perhaps I'm just human.

It's not about being an economist, it's about being prepared and knowing your brief. He knew he was going to be talking about this policy today so he really should not have been caught out on such a basic detail

[DemolitionRed]

It's not about being an economist, it's about being prepared and knowing your brief. He knew he was going to be talking about this policy today so he really should not have been caught out on such a basic detail

We have to agree to disagree.

[smudgie]

It's not about being an economist, it's about being prepared and knowing your brief. He knew he was going to be talking about this policy today so he really should not have been caught out on such a basic detail

Indeed.
It's not like he has to work the figures out even, just memorise it.:shrug:

[Beso]

We have to agree to disagree.

What about the paedos though..do you have room under the carpet left?

[Withano]

Looks like the topic moved on a bit, but if you guys are still interested, the legend said this about that

"I didn't have the exact figure in front of me so I was unable to answer that question, for which obviously I apologise, but I don't apologise for what's in the manifesto, and I will explain exactly what the cost is. It's £4.8 billion by the end of the parliament, and it means 1 million children will get free childcare, 30 hours per week between the years of 2 and 4. "

[jaxie]

Wasn't it on the radio? Couldn't he have had notes with what he needed to know if he couldn't remember? It's kind of sloppy, no matter who it is.

[Beso]

Looks like the topic moved on a bit, but if you guys are still interested, the legend said this about that

"I didn't have the exact figure in front of me so I was unable to answer that question, for which obviously I apologise, but I don't apologise for what's in the manifesto, and I will explain exactly what the cost is. It's £4.8 billion by the end of the parliament, and it means 1 million children will get free childcare, 30 hours per week between the years of 2 and 4. "


I wouldnt let any labour government make decisions on my children.

[joeysteele]

Looks like the topic moved on a bit, but if you guys are still interested, the legend said this about that

"I didn't have the exact figure in front of me so I was unable to answer that question, for which obviously I apologise, but I don't apologise for what's in the manifesto, and I will explain exactly what the cost is. It's £4.8 billion by the end of the parliament, and it means 1 million children will get free childcare, 30 hours per week between the years of 2 and 4. "


It won't even be acknowledged that he apologised sincerely.

The Chancellor was way out on a figure recently but that doesn't get a mention.
At least Corbyn admitted he hadn't prepared for that programme properly by having the figure.

It was not the only figure he would have had to have that day either.
Even had he said,I haven't the figure to hand,sorry I cannot give the exact cost at this time.
The vultures would have still dived in to attack him for even that.

While at the same time ignoring the fact that the Cons and their lying leader,are near all the time,telling no one any of their costings,virtually saying voters have to 'wait and see' no matter how high those costs will be.

One things for sure,if the Cons costs of their policies were only modest or lower than Labour's,they'd be parading them proudly,not deceitfully hiding them from voters.
Voters who have a right to know them too.
Just as they have the right to know the cost Jeremy Corbyn didn't have to hand at that moment in his interview.

[Livia]

And here's what the Tory party have done since 2005
1. Election fraud 30 Tories are facing the prospect of criminal prosecution
2. Longest fall in value of wages since records began
3. Spectacularly missed economic targets
4. The austerity con
5. Massive NHS cuts
6. Systematic abuse of disabled people
7. NHS recruitment crisis
8. Huge rise in child poverty
9. The harshest cuts of all on poor families and children
10. The lowest level of house building since the 1920s
11. Contempt for private sector tenants (voted down a bill to stop slum landlords)
12. Public transport chaos
13. Biggest education funding cuts in decades
14. The school privatization agenda
15. Rip off tuition fees. English students now face the highest fees in the world to study.
16. Huge rise in food bank dependency.
17. The Hinkley Point C Scandal (using tax payers cash!)
18. Social care crisis coincided with the biggest increase in death rate since the 1960’s
19. Defunding of local government
20. Tax-dodging corporate outsourcing parasites
21. Five service cuts 30% on fire services. Closure of 39 fire stations and the loss of 10,000 jobs
22. Police cuts. Axed 34,000 police jobs. Crime has risen by 96% since the cuts.
23. Sweetheart tax deals. Allowing massive tax cuts to companies like Google.
24. The snooper charter. The most extreme state surveillance in the world.
25. Dictators and despots. Sucking up to Islamic tyrants in SA
26. Contempt of human rights.
27. Taxpayer subsidised malice (anti welfare schemes)
28. Rising inequality. The worst collapse in the value of peoples wages on record.
29. U-turn after U-turn
30. Threat of a no deal Brexit.

It would be nice if you mentioned your source. Then we could decide how far from the truth it actually is.

[Livia]

Corbyn wants to be Prime Minister. We should expect him to know the costings for his own manifesto. If May or any of the others make such a show of themselves, I'd be saying the same thing about them.

[Kate!]

Can't have one rule for Corbyn and another more lenient one for May.

[Smithy]

Girl this thread is over 2 years old