76%of child migrants lied about age proven

[Brillopad]

https://www.rt.com/news/390318-sweden-age-tests-refugees/

Comes as no surprise to most. That 76% and any others proven to have lied should be deported toot sweet.

[lewis111]

God forbid they take a couple years of their age so they have a better chance of getting into a country where their life isn't constantly at risk or at the lowest standard of living possible

[smudgie]

Deport them.
They have taken (cheated) the places allocated for genuine refugee children.

[Northern Monkey]

God forbid they take a couple years of their age so they have a better chance of getting into a country where their life isn't constantly at risk or at the lowest standard of living possible

The point is that they've jumped in places that children should have had.It happened here to with the Calais jungle camp.Alot kids were alone and at risk.
No decent human would do that.

[Niamh.]

The point is that they've jumped in places that children should have had.It happened here to with the Calais jungle camp.Alot kids were alone and at risk.
No decent human would do that.

It's easy to be a "decent human" when you come from where you do and have a safe life though tbf

[Northern Monkey]

It's easy to be a "decent human" when you come from where you do and have a safe life though tbf

If i was on a sinking ship I honestly couldn't imagine kicking a kid out of a lifeboat to save myself.I don't think i could live with myself after.

[Niamh.]

If i was on a sinking ship I honestly couldn't imagine kicking a kid out of a lifeboat to save myself.I don't think i could live with myself after.

It's not the same thing and none of us know how we would act coming from a situation like that. I just think judging people who have seen and experienced s**t that none of us could even imagine is a bit, well, I just think it's wrong really, we don't know how lucky we are. I have nothing but sympathy for all these people. It's a bit high horse-ish to judge anyone in a situation like that when we were so lucky really to have been born where we were

[Livia]

Deport them.
They have taken (cheated) the places allocated for genuine refugee children.

That's all there is to say.

[Tom4784]

It's easy to be a "decent human" when you come from where you do and have a safe life though tbf

Very true, a lot of people preaching strict or non-existent immigration would be the first ones to try to cheat the system if the situation was reversed.

[Ronald.]

It's not the same thing and none of us know how we would act coming from a situation like that. I just think judging people who have seen and experienced s**t that none of us could even imagine is a bit, well, I just think it's wrong really, we don't know how lucky we are. I have nothing but sympathy for all these people. It's a bit high horse-ish to judge anyone in a situation like that when we were so lucky really to have been born where we were

Here here niamh. R.

[Denver]

God forbid they take a couple years of their age so they have a better chance of getting into a country where their life isn't constantly at risk or at the lowest standard of living possible

So you think claiming to be 14 while being 25 then going to sleep with underage girls is fine?

[Beso]

Just shows how little the border checks etc can find out about the immigrants..pretty scary really.

[Crimson Dynamo]

God forbid they take a couple years of their age so they have a better chance of getting into a country where their life isn't constantly at risk or at the lowest standard of living possible

It's not the same thing and none of us know how we would act coming from a situation like that. I just think judging people who have seen and experienced s**t that none of us could even imagine is a bit, well, I just think it's wrong really, we don't know how lucky we are. I have nothing but sympathy for all these people. It's a bit high horse-ish to judge anyone in a situation like that when we were so lucky really to have been born where we were

Very true, a lot of people preaching strict or non-existent immigration would be the first ones to try to cheat the system if the situation was reversed.

This site is starting to feel more and more right wing. Why can't we have a sticky for all Muslim posts because the amount of threads with Islam or Muslim in the title is unnecessary. All its going to do is drive people away and draw others who are anti-Islam.



Parsons Green bomber lied about his age to stay in Britain rules judge who jailed him for 34 years after saying he didn't believe the Iraqi asylum seeker was 18


The judge was certain that Hassan had lied about being a child to stay in the UK
In 2015 Hassan entered UK claiming to be 16-year-old who was kidnapped by Isis
Mr Justice Haddon-Cave jailed him for life with a minimum 34-year sentence
Case raises concerns about other terrorists pretending to be kids to enter UK


http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/newpix/2018/03/24/00/4A7798DC00000578-5535345-Ahmed_Hassan_planted_a_homemade_bomb_packed_with_k nives_screwdri-a-1_1521851302919.jpg

:idc:

[Withano]

^ is that legal? Sentencing somebody based around a personal hunch?

[Crimson Dynamo]

^ is that legal? Sentencing somebody based around a personal hunch?

what do you mean like our jury system!

[Withano]

what do you mean like our jury system!

Not really, they have to synthesise all of the evidence, this seems different and unlawful..?

i also hate the jury system but for different p, irrelevant reasons

[Kazanne]

God forbid they take a couple years of their age so they have a better chance of getting into a country where their life isn't constantly at risk or at the lowest standard of living possible

That's all well and good and very saintly,but not when it impacts on the people of the UK who were born and bred here,it's ok being kind,but not at the expense of our safety or our overcrowding problem,no wonder places like the NHS can't cope,sometimes you have to be cruel to be kind.

[chuff me dizzy]

Some of the photos of the 35 year old children were hilarious

[Crimson Dynamo]

Some of the photos of the 35 year old children were hilarious

lets wait and see if the odious Lineker tweets about it now......

[Brillopad]

Some of the photos of the 35 year old children were hilarious

Just shows that at best how easily hoodwinked some are or at worst people give little thought to the security of this country and safety of those already here.

How many terrorist attacks will it take for some to take the risk seriously I wonder. Perhaps only when it becomes more personal. I have no time for that way of thinking.

[kirklancaster]

Some of the photos of the 35 year old children were hilarious

Weren't they just. But what a 'to-do' there was on here at the time when some of us tried to point out the glaringly obvious in all those photos of the poor (not so) little (bearded) 12-year-olds. :laugh:

[Oliver_W]

God forbid they take a couple years of their age so they have a better chance of getting into a country where their life isn't constantly at risk or at the lowest standard of living possible
There are safe(r) countries they could go to where they don't need to lie about their age.
Some of the photos of the 35 year old children were hilarious
No you don't understand, traveling on a boat is so stressful it adds at least twenty years to your appearance.

[kirklancaster]

lets wait and see if the odious Lineker tweets about it now......

Yes, let's. The prat should stick to trying to sell us Walkers crisps, not trying to sell us any old Tom, Dick or Harry WALKING into the UK posing as children.

[kirklancaster]

There are safe(r) countries they could go to where they don't need to lie about their age.

No you don't understand, traveling on a boat is so stressful it adds at least twenty years to your appearance.

:laugh:

[DemolitionRed]

So you think claiming to be 14 while being 25 then going to sleep with underage girls is fine?

Boy child refugees are not housed with girl child refugees.

In my area of work I had to be trained up on refugee children and for a long time its been said that young adults are clearly slipping through the 'child' net but without definitive proof, there's little we can do because under the 'Child Protection Act' there's a duty of care.

Regardless of age, these young adults have often lost everything. Their home, their entire family and all their worldly possessions. They haven't understood what safety is for a very long time and the boys especially are at great risk of being recruited as soldiers or herded out of their towns by Jihadists and murdered. I've never talked to these boys personally but I'm told by people who have that they are so grateful and look forward to going home at some point in the future.

I'm so glad we could help.

[Brillopad]

Boy child refugees are not housed with girl child refugees.

In my area of work I had to be trained up on refugee children and for a long time its been said that young adults are clearly slipping through the 'child' net but without definitive proof, there's little we can do because under the 'Child Protection Act' there's a duty of care.

Regardless of age, these young adults have often lost everything. Their home, their entire family and all their worldly possessions. They haven't understood what safety is for a very long time and the boys especially are at great risk of being recruited as soldiers or herded out of their towns by Jihadists and murdered. I've never talked to these boys personally but I'm told by people who have that they are so grateful and look forward to going home at some point in the future.

I'm so glad we could help.

Only as long as they do no harm whilst here. If they do they should be out the door for good.

[DemolitionRed]

What we need to remind ourselves of is, our enemy is their enemy too.

[Crimson Dynamo]

What we need to remind ourselves of is, our enemy is their enemy too.

well we need to remember the clamour to let in these wicked liars when clearly they were lying and that a certain Nigel Farage explained precisely that this would happen

That is lesson number 1

[DemolitionRed]

well we need to remember the clamour to let in these wicked liars when clearly they were lying and that a certain Nigel Farage explained precisely that this would happen

That is lesson number 1

Its 75% of those tested, not 75% of all the children that have come in. Its a small fraction in comparison and the article link says this.

[Oliver_W]

What we need to remind ourselves of is, our enemy is their enemy too.

I'm more concerned about things like NHS bed shortages, school places,and not having to build over green space for houses, than "nerr enemies tho."

Especially when with proper border control and not sticking our noses in, ISIS don't need to be our problem.

[DemolitionRed]

I think what's sad is, these children are raised and supported here in the UK until they are 18. When they are 18 and even on their 18 birthday, all support stops and if their local council hasn't managed to sort out their paperwork, they are arrested as illegal aliens.

[jaxie]

Very true, a lot of people preaching strict or non-existent immigration would be the first ones to try to cheat the system if the situation was reversed.

You can't possibly know that. That's a really provocative assumption. :nono:

[DemolitionRed]

I'm more concerned about things like NHS bed shortages, school places,and not having to build over green space for houses, than "nerr enemies tho."

Especially when with proper border control and not sticking our noses in, ISIS don't need to be our problem.

Would you believe me if I told you NHS beds aren't short because of immigrants and asylum seekers? I'm guessing you wouldn't.

Anyway, asylum seekers are not the same as migrants. Migrants apply to come to Britain, asylum seekers are running from war and persecution. There's a big difference.

[Brillopad]

I think what's sad is, these children are raised and supported here in the UK until they are 18. When they are 18 and even on their 18 birthday, all support stops and if their local council hasn't managed to sort out their paperwork, they are arrested as illegal aliens.

We have enough of our own children that need help.

Many migrant ‘children’ here and in Europe have lied @bout their age, and we are not talking a few months or even a year or two are we. Others have committed rape, murder and terrorist attacks so it should come as no surprise that there is large-scale distrust of such ‘children’.

[Oliver_W]

Would you believe me if I told you NHS beds aren't short because of immigrants and asylum seekers? I'm guessing you wouldn't.

I knowwww, it's because of the evil Tories and their evil cutbacks. But when we have fewer NHS beds - for whatever reason - bringing in more people, especially people from places without vaccines or decent healthcare, isn't the best idea.

[Brillopad]

I knowwww, it's because of the evil Tories and their evil cutbacks. But when we have fewer NHS beds - for whatever reason - bringing in more people, especially people from places without vaccines or decent healthcare, isn't the best idea.

Indeed.

[Mystic Mock]

God forbid they take a couple years of their age so they have a better chance of getting into a country where their life isn't constantly at risk or at the lowest standard of living possible

It's one of those things where I get what you're saying and morally I do agree with you, but this country also can't afford to be too charitable as we do need to make sure that we don't overpopulate the country to an unhealthy degree, we've already pushed it as it is with 60 odd million.

[Mystic Mock]

I should've read the article.:laugh:

But my point still stands for Sweden, they can't afford to overpopulate.

[Tom4784]

You can't possibly know that. That's a really provocative assumption. :nono:

It really isn't, it's very easy to judge immigrants from our position but if the roles were reversed so many anti-immigrant people would be doing everything they could to get into the country.

It's easy to judge from a position of safety but throw the Anti-Immigrant people into a refugee's shoes and see how quickly they'd find a way to cheat the system to get in.

[DemolitionRed]

I knowwww, it's because of the evil Tories and their evil cutbacks. But when we have fewer NHS beds - for whatever reason - bringing in more people, especially people from places without vaccines or decent healthcare, isn't the best idea.

Then what do you suggest? I'm not talking immigrants. I mean refugees?

[Mystic Mock]

It really isn't, it's very easy to judge immigrants from our position but if the roles were reversed so many anti-immigrant people would be doing everything they could to get into the country.

It's easy to judge from a position of safety but throw the Anti-Immigrant people into a refugee's shoes and see how quickly they'd find a way to cheat the system to get in.

You're correct, it's Human nature we all would do the same thing if our lives were under threat.

[Brillopad]

It really isn't, it's very easy to judge immigrants from our position but if the roles were reversed so many anti-immigrant people would be doing everything they could to get into the country.

It's easy to judge from a position of safety but throw the Anti-Immigrant people into a refugee's shoes and see how quickly they'd find a way to cheat the system to get in.

No-doubt if the roles were reversed - those currently trying to force themselves onto other countries would be the first to stop others from them doing so to them. You do realise it would undoubtedly work both ways don’t you.

[Oliver_W]

Then what do you suggest? I'm not talking immigrants. I mean refugees?

I suggest there's a whole planet out there, with bigger and emptier countries than ours, and there's no reason we should take the burden at all.

[jaxie]

Since many of those child migrants came from France I find the argument that they were were so desperate that lying to take the place of a child was fine and dandy something I can't agree with. They were already in an EU country and therefore in safety so didn't need to steal the place of a vulnerable child.

[Tom4784]

No-doubt if the roles were reversed - those currently trying to force themselves onto other countries would be the first to stop others from them doing so to them. You do realise it would undoubtedly work both ways don’t you.

Bit of a pointless statement as it doesn't really affect what I'm saying but okay?

All you've really done is helped my argument that more empathy is needed for immigrants and that most people in our position are incapable of it.

[kirklancaster]

Where is the DEFINITIVE PROOF that some of those Refugees are not covert Terrorists, or have 'Terrorist Sympathies' or are not just opportunist 'Economic Migrants' taking advantage of the 'Refugee Crisis'?

We KNOW so very, very little about each and every individual that steps onto these shores as 'Refugees'.

And to decry anyone's legitimate claim that unfettered immigration - of any classification - does ADD to the burden on our already struggling NHS, POLICE, HOUSING and WELFARE SERVICES is, quite frankly banal.

[kirklancaster]

Since many of those child migrants came from France I find the argument that they were were so desperate that lying to take the place of a child was fine and dandy something I can't agree with. They were already in an EU country and therefore in safety so didn't need to steal the place of a vulnerable child.

:clap1:

[Beso]

It's not the same thing and none of us know how we would act coming from a situation like that. I just think judging people who have seen and experienced s**t that none of us could even imagine is a bit, well, I just think it's wrong really, we don't know how lucky we are. I have nothing but sympathy for all these people. It's a bit high horse-ish to judge anyone in a situation like that when we were so lucky really to have been born where we were

What do you mean none of us, i would die to save a kid:shrug:

Im sure loads know they would as well.

[Kazanne]

I suggest there's a whole planet out there, with bigger and emptier countries than ours, and there's no reason we should take the burden at all.

Well that Australian outback is pretty vast as is America etc,but their governments are looking after their own first,I am sure May would like do the same but the PC brigade wont let her, we have to take in kids with a beards and moustaches who say they are in danger when in fact some of them are a danger to us ,that has been proven. We are pretty stupid tbh,we must be a laughing stock,and sometimes I think when some of these people kill,rape and maim ,we bring it on ourselves.no one is saying deny genuine KIDS in need,but surely there needs to be better checks on some of these people.

[Tom4784]

What do you mean none of us, i would die to save a kid:shrug:

Im sure loads know they would as well.

Words and actions are two different things, people always believe they'd do the heroic thing if the opportunity to arose but most people, in reality, would just watch from the sidelines.

[Beso]

Words and actions are two different things, people always believe they'd do the heroic thing if the opportunity to arose but most people, in reality, would just watch from the sidelines.

Luckily im not most people.

[Mystic Mock]

What do you mean none of us, i would die to save a kid:shrug:

Im sure loads know they would as well.

You'd be surprised at how much self-preservation would kick in, even if it was against a child.

[Tom4784]

Luckily im not most people.

Words are easy.

[Toy Soldier]

Wow there hasn't been a good refugee-bashing thread for ages :clap1:.

[Beso]

Words are easy.

So you wouldnt give your child an organ to save them if it meant you dying?

[Brillopad]

Wow there hasn't been a good refugee-bashing thread for ages :clap1:.

Have the thousands plus of people coming in all been declared as official refugees then?

[Crimson Dynamo]

Wow there hasn't been a good refugee-bashing thread for ages :clap1:.

And there hasnt been a good "try to save face when posters have rather embarrassed themselves by desperately trying to talk about anything other than the fact they were wrong" thread for ages either

:hee:

[kirklancaster]

And there hasnt been a good "try to save face when posters have rather embarrassed themselves by desperately trying to talk about anything other than the fact they were wrong" thread for ages either

:hee:

:laugh:

[jaxie]

It's not the same thing and none of us know how we would act coming from a situation like that. I just think judging people who have seen and experienced s**t that none of us could even imagine is a bit, well, I just think it's wrong really, we don't know how lucky we are. I have nothing but sympathy for all these people. It's a bit high horse-ish to judge anyone in a situation like that when we were so lucky really to have been born where we were

I see what you are saying and its a good point but I kind of disagree for reasons I've stated that they were already in Europe anyway so relatively safe and that people aren't always selfish when it comes to kids.

I had a situation once where a rogue firework (rocket) flew into the house and straight at a group of children (party). I dived in front and pushed them out of the way, shielding them. Completely instinct and not something I ever thought about doing but it made me realise that it can be instinct to do the right thing. I hasten to add my own child wasn't in the direct line of fire either. So I don't really agree that people always put themselves first.

[Tom4784]

So you wouldnt give your child an organ to save them if it meant you dying?

That's a completely different scenario to the one you described before? 'Dying to save a kid' is a world away from 'giving your child an organ at the expense of your own life'. You can't switch the goalposts like that to suit your argument.

The vast majority of people would not give their lives for a child that isn't theirs', like I said before, most people are destined to be observers, not heroes.

A person's own child on the other hand is completely different, a sizable amount of parents have the biological need to protect their children at all costs, a lt of parents would sacrifice themselves if it meant their child could live.

Not quite sure what any of this has to do with the thread mind, nor why the discussion has shifted to me.

[Crimson Dynamo]

Kids dont want organs these days, its ps4s and xboxs or nowt

[Kizzy]

We don't know is his true age, what we do know is he could've been stopped.

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/crime/parsons-green-attack-police-missed-isis-evidence-bombing-tube-a8267601.html

[Crimson Dynamo]

We don't know is his true age, what we do know is he could've been stopped.

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/crime/parsons-green-attack-police-missed-isis-evidence-bombing-tube-a8267601.html

having read that article, what has that do do with migrants lying about their age and then committing terror attacks?

Bearing in mind you are happy to allow this type of person free access to the UK Id have thought you would be addressing that more than looking as others have to discuss anything other than the topic?

[Brillopad]

We don't know is his true age, what we do know is he could've been stopped.

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/crime/parsons-green-attack-police-missed-isis-evidence-bombing-tube-a8267601.html

Sorry Kizzy - but I’m not buying into the blame the Police , blame the system propaganda out there.

If we were not being bullied into taking in anyone en masse, with no known history, that potentially pose a security risk to us all by the EU, the ideologies of the left and others who support it, many people, including children, would still be alive in Britain and Europe today who are not. We should put the safety of our own first. How many more do we have to sacrifice?

[Beso]

That's a completely different scenario to the one you described before? 'Dying to save a kid' is a world away from 'giving your child an organ at the expense of your own life'. You can't switch the goalposts like that to suit your argument.

The vast majority of people would not give their lives for a child that isn't theirs', like I said before, most people are destined to be observers, not heroes.

A person's own child on the other hand is completely different, a sizable amount of parents have the biological need to protect their children at all costs, a lt of parents would sacrifice themselves if it meant their child could live.

Not quite sure what any of this has to do with the thread mind, nor why the discussion has shifted to me.

What are you on about, i didnt paint any pictures..i just said i would die to save a kids life...then you basically said i nor anyone else would when it came down to it.


I dont know why you feel the need to try and disprove that i would..seems very strange.

[Mystic Mock]

Kids dont want organs these days, its ps4s and xboxs or nowt

For me it's PS4's, Switch, 3DS, a roof over my head, and interaction with my family over TV Shows and Politics.

[Mystic Mock]

What are you on about, i didnt paint any pictures..i just said i would die to save a kids life...then you basically said i nor anyone else would when it came down to it.


I dont know why you feel the need to try and disprove that i would..seems very strange.

Tbf it wasn't just Dezzy that was saying about people being observers and not heroes argument, I agree with him that most of us are selfish and would not risk our lives for strangers, even if they was a child.

I personally anyway wouldn't see myself as the heroic type, I know that is probably an evil thing to say, but I think that if most people were being honest, they'd probably be the same as me.

[Kizzy]

having read that article, what has that do do with migrants lying about their age and then committing terror attacks?

Bearing in mind you are happy to allow this type of person free access to the UK Id have thought you would be addressing that more than looking as others have to discuss anything other than the topic?

We have no proof he has lied... we have proof there was room for improvement prior to the attack.

What type of person, terrorists?... No LT I'm not.
What a silly troll like thing to say.

[Crimson Dynamo]

We have no proof he has lied... we have proof there was room for improvement prior to the attack.

What type of person, terrorists?... No LT I'm not.
What a silly troll like thing to say.

i cant even be bothered to look at some of your comments during the Calais thing but i think other members will get my jist...

[Cherie]

We have no proof he has lied... we have proof there was room for improvement prior to the attack.

What type of person, terrorists?... No LT I'm not.
What a silly troll like thing to say.


It comes back to what I have said for a while, not everyone in the public sector does a good job, sometimes things are missed, human error is also a factor, I'm not sure we should be demonising the people who try to keep us safe over those that wish us harm? We don't really know why this guy was missed, any more than we know why the guy who attacked people on London Bridge was missed given he was on a C4 docu waving his ISIS flag, maybe it comes back to not wanting to be seen as racist who knows

[Kazanne]

Tbf it wasn't just Dezzy that was saying about people being observers and not heroes argument, I agree with him that most of us are selfish and would not risk our lives for strangers, even if they was a child.

I personally anyway wouldn't see myself as the heroic type, I know that is probably an evil thing to say, but I think that if most people were being honest, they'd probably be the same as me.

You'de be surprised what people would do on the spur of the moment Mocky,people have even died saving their animals, it's just instinct I think.

[DemolitionRed]

I suggest there's a whole planet out there, with bigger and emptier countries than ours, and there's no reason we should take the burden at all.

Turkey was number 1 for taking 2.4 million Syrian, Iraqi, Afghani and Somalian refugees. Lebanon opened its doors to 1 million and Jordan took 665,000. Germany 749,309, Italy and Greece took 355,361 and the US took 559,37O. We took 168,978 and turned away a further 21,000 applications for asylum.

Yes, yes, we are only a small island but The Geneva Convention is a a United Nations agreement that the UK is signed up to and so long as we are part of the UN and we will be when we leave the EU, we are still obliged to take what the UN decide is our quota.

[Brillopad]

Turkey was number 1 for taking 2.4 million Syrian, Iraqi, Afghani and Somalian refugees. Lebanon opened its doors to 1 million and Jordan took 665,000. Germany 749,309, Italy and Greece took 355,361 and the US took 559,37O. We took 168,978 and turned away a further 21,000 applications for asylum.

Yes, yes, we are only a small island but The Geneva Convention is a a United Nations agreement that the UK is signed up to and so long as we are part of the UN and we will be when we leave the EU, we are still obliged to take what the UN decide is our quota.

And to hell with the consequences.

[DemolitionRed]

And to hell with the consequences.

Says the woman who believes it was the EU who made us take the refugees!!

[kirklancaster]

Turkey was number 1 for taking 2.4 million Syrian, Iraqi, Afghani and Somalian refugees. Lebanon opened its doors to 1 million and Jordan took 665,000. Germany 749,309, Italy and Greece took 355,361 and the US took 559,37O. We took 168,978 and turned away a further 21,000 applications for asylum.

Yes, yes, we are only a small island but The Geneva Convention is a a United Nations agreement that the UK is signed up to and so long as we are part of the UN and we will be when we leave the EU, we are still obliged to take what the UN decide is our quota.

:laugh: And name any one of those countries which are not now ********* up in at LEAST one way BECAUSE of their intake.

[Brillopad]

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2018/mar/24/as-a-citizen-of-melbourne-dont-i-have-the-right-to-question-immigration

If a country like Australia is having these issues what hope it there for the rest of us. Immigration should always be for the benefit of those already living in a country not to the detriment of them.

[Brillopad]

Says the woman who believes it was the EU who made us take the refugees!!

The EU are constantly demanding we take more as we are still part of the EU. But I am all for ignoring them as they are a bunch of self-serving idiots refusing to see all the problems it is creating.

[DemolitionRed]

:laugh: And name any one of those countries which are not now ********* up in at LEAST one way BECAUSE of their intake.

Jordan is in an economical doldrums because it lost its Kuwait and UAE donar and now has to fund its own military.
The Labanese economy is looking good, though they still have a lot of internal squabbling going on. (not over immigrants)
Greece is still chained to a rock from its sovereign debt crisis in 2010 but according to economic forecasts, its climbing its way out better than expected.
Italy, like the UK hasn't produced nearly enough growth since the world crash and a second recession in 2012
The U.S is a bit more complicated but this explains things well http://fortune.com/2018/02/16/us-debt-deficit-economic-growth/

Apart from the Germans who have a huge amount of internal squabbling going on over 'immigration or not'. None of these countries are in peril because of the intake of foreigners.

[DemolitionRed]

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2018/mar/24/as-a-citizen-of-melbourne-dont-i-have-the-right-to-question-immigration

If a country like Australia is having these issues what hope it there for the rest of us. Immigration should always be for the benefit of those already living in a country not to the detriment of them.

That's an opinion peace. She says herself that the economists love it because it it’s great for the economy. She doesn't like it because she doesn't think Australia has enough space :think:

[kirklancaster]

Jordan is in an economical doldrums because it lost its Kuwait and UAE donar and now has to fund its own military.
The Labanese economy is looking good, though they still have a lot of internal squabbling going on. (not over immigrants)
Greece is still chained to a rock from its sovereign debt crisis in 2010 but according to economic forecasts, its climbing its way out better than expected.
Italy, like the UK hasn't produced nearly enough growth since the world crash and a second recession in 2012
The U.S is a bit more complicated but this explains things well http://fortune.com/2018/02/16/us-debt-deficit-economic-growth/

Apart from the Germans who have a huge amount of internal squabbling going on over 'immigration or not'. None of these countries are in peril because of the intake of foreigners.

:laugh: If you really BELIEVE the above Red, then OK, you are entitled to, but me? I'll believe what my eyes and ears have read and listened to.

[Brillopad]

That's an opinion peace. She says herself that the economists love it because it it’s great for the economy. She doesn't like it because she doesn't think Australia has enough space :think:

I know it’s an opinion piece but no doubt it reflects a common opinion in Australia.

And it isn’t about space per se but about the creating of all the infrastructures required to accommodate masses more people and all the resulting chaos to the daily lives of everyone in the ever increasing busy cities. The whole ethos of the country is going to change and it is a beautiful country as it is.

She also has a very valid point when pointing out that immigration is supposed to be about the benefits to and welfare of the PEOPLE of Australia first and foremost - not just big business. As someone who claims to speak for the people rather than big business that is a rather a contradictory statement. If Australians feel their lives are going to be affected in a negative way from too much immigration, as people in many countries do, they have a right to their say and to be listened to. And the same applies to every country in this situation.

[DemolitionRed]

The EU are constantly demanding we take more as we are still part of the EU. But I am all for ignoring them as they are a bunch of self-serving idiots refusing to see all the problems it is creating.

When the EU was established it was still part of the UN and still is. What it fairly did was set out the number of refugees to be accepted by the size of a country's population. Something the UN had done prior to the EU forming.
Since the EU was formed and set out what was deemed by the UN as acceptable rules over asylum and refugees, the UN has taken a back step.

Once we leave the EU the United Nations High Commissioner will ensure that, under UN law Britain will still take its share. That maybe more than the EU quota or may be less but I suspect it will be about the same.

So you can blame the EU all you like but the bottom line is, if we remain in the UN we don't get a choice.

[Oliver_W]

Once we leave the EU the United Nations High Commissioner will ensure that, under UN law Britain will still take its share.

When our infrastructure is already pretty much to capacity, we could say we have more than our share.

[Kizzy]

It comes back to what I have said for a while, not everyone in the public sector does a good job, sometimes things are missed, human error is also a factor, I'm not sure we should be demonising the people who try to keep us safe over those that wish us harm? We don't really know why this guy was missed, any more than we know why the guy who attacked people on London Bridge was missed given he was on a C4 docu waving his ISIS flag, maybe it comes back to not wanting to be seen as racist who knows

This is not possible... There are procedures, protocol, best practice, a wealth of information, resilience and preparedness and contingency planning for counter terrorism.
Guidelines to follow, CONTEST and Persue, Prevent, Protect,Prepare.

We don't have the keystone cops protecting us, these are professionals if something was missed we do need to be asking why, not just chalk it up to pc plod having 'one of those days'.

[Crimson Dynamo]

Truth about child refugees: Two-thirds quizzed about their age are found to be ADULTS, official report reveals after almost 3,000 people claiming to be unaccompanied minors apply for asylum in a year


Nearly two-thirds of 'child' refugees were found to be adults new report shows
In one year, 65 per cent of asylum seekers assessed were judged to be over 18
Home Office received 2,952 asylum applications from unaccompanied children


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Nearly two-thirds of ‘child’ refugees who were questioned about their real age after coming to Britain were found to be adults, an official report has found.

In one year, 65 per cent of asylum seekers assessed after claiming to be juveniles were judged to be over 18.

The report, by immigration watchdog David Bolt, revealed that the Home Office received 2,952 asylum applications from unaccompanied children in the year to June last year.

Out of these there were 705 age disputes – around a quarter of the total – where officials suspected the individual was lying about their age. Of these, 618 cases were resolved and 402 – or 65 per cent – were found to be adults.

If these asylum seekers had been treated as children it would have left councils and local taxpayers facing a care bill of millions of pounds a year.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-5592357/Two-thirds-child-refugees-lied-age-18.html

[Oliver_W]

With cases like the ones pictured, why was the idea that they were children even considered? They should have been laughed at in the face and turned around.

[Kazanne]

With cases like the ones pictured, why was the idea that they were children even considered? They should have been laughed at in the face and turned around.

Agreed Oliver,the mind boggles.:shrug:

[Brillopad]

With cases like the ones pictured, why was the idea that they were children even considered? They should have been laughed at in the face and turned around.

That’s where OTT PC gets you. People can’t even challenge adult migrants who pose as children. Everyone knew they were adults but that PC grip had hold and people went to mush.

[Cherie]

This is not possible... There are procedures, protocol, best practice, a wealth of information, resilience and preparedness and contingency planning for counter terrorism.
Guidelines to follow, CONTEST and Persue, Prevent, Protect,Prepare.

We don't have the keystone cops protecting us, these are professionals if something was missed we do need to be asking why, not just chalk it up to pc plod having 'one of those days'.

Forgive me for thinking the police force is staffed with humans

[Brillopad]

Boy child refugees are not housed with girl child refugees.

In my area of work I had to be trained up on refugee children and for a long time its been said that young adults are clearly slipping through the 'child' net but without definitive proof, there's little we can do because under the 'Child Protection Act' there's a duty of care.

Regardless of age, these young adults have often lost everything. Their home, their entire family and all their worldly possessions. They haven't understood what safety is for a very long time and the boys especially are at great risk of being recruited as soldiers or herded out of their towns by Jihadists and murdered. I've never talked to these boys personally but I'm told by people who have that they are so grateful and look forward to going home at some point in the future.

I'm so glad we could help.

Excuses! They lied knowing exactly what they were doing and I seriously doubt they have any intention of going home.

[Kizzy]

Forgive me for thinking the police force is staffed with humans

Yes humans that know how to follow procedure with due diligence.

[kirklancaster]

That's a completely different scenario to the one you described before? 'Dying to save a kid' is a world away from 'giving your child an organ at the expense of your own life'. You can't switch the goalposts like that to suit your argument.

The vast majority of people would not give their lives for a child that isn't theirs', like I said before, most people are destined to be observers, not heroes.

A person's own child on the other hand is completely different, a sizable amount of parents have the biological need to protect their children at all costs, a lt of parents would sacrifice themselves if it meant their child could live.

Not quite sure what any of this has to do with the thread mind, nor why the discussion has shifted to me.

I totally agree with this. I don't think that I would - MY family need me and THEY will ALWAYS come first.

[kirklancaster]

And there hasnt been a good "try to save face when posters have rather embarrassed themselves by desperately trying to talk about anything other than the fact they were wrong" thread for ages either

:hee:

:clap1::clap1::clap1: And as one on the 'receiving end - BOY were they WRONG.

[kirklancaster]

I think what's sad is, these children are raised and supported here in the UK until they are 18. When they are 18 and even on their 18 birthday, all support stops and if their local council hasn't managed to sort out their paperwork, they are arrested as illegal aliens.

And then they are 'bailed' and released and 97% of them disappear into the dark welcoming British night.

[kirklancaster]

Anyway..... I've done my bit, I've just offered accommodation to one 14-year-old Migrant child. Only now awaiting his documentation.

https://farm9.static.flickr.com/8387/29146689171_33b4b4408f_b.jpg

[Brillopad]

Anyway..... I've done my bit, I've just offered accommodation to one 14-year-old Migrant child. Only now awaiting his documentation.

https://farm9.static.flickr.com/8387/29146689171_33b4b4408f_b.jpg

:joker::joker: you had me going there for a minute there Kirk. I was just about to ask about his ‘age’ when I opened the spoiler. No doubt some would say we would still have to take him at his word until proved otherwise. :joker:

[jaxie]

Having a fair bit of experience with regard to a family member who is trying to marry someone they love who happens to be another country, I have found our whole immigration system woefully incompetent. The whole system needs a serious shake up and I do believe there must be rules so I'm not just being selfish. Some of the rules and hoops to jump through are completely illogical. If you have any kind of relationship visiting is out because they suspect you, even when you have a bona fide address to stay at. If you are retired and don't have a job, fat chance of going to your daughters wedding even if your trip is all expenses paid by a UK family. It is completely stacked against genuine applications and full of insinuation that you will run off as soon as you get here. That's how we treat people who want to come for a visit and spend tourist money here. Then the other end of the stick you have a bloke of 35 trying to come here in place of a 12 year old and they let him.

[chuff me dizzy]

A blind man could see most of them were adult men, who were then to schools with our children .......they could have been anyone

[chuff me dizzy]

Anyway..... I've done my bit, I've just offered accommodation to one 14-year-old Migrant child. Only now awaiting his documentation.

https://farm9.static.flickr.com/8387/29146689171_33b4b4408f_b.jpg

:joker:

[Beso]

Handy friends to have if you are an underage drinker......or maybe not as many cases may end up....going wrong.

[Livia]

Jordan is in an economical doldrums because it lost its Kuwait and UAE donar and now has to fund its own military.
The Labanese economy is looking good, though they still have a lot of internal squabbling going on. (not over immigrants)
Greece is still chained to a rock from its sovereign debt crisis in 2010 but according to economic forecasts, its climbing its way out better than expected.
Italy, like the UK hasn't produced nearly enough growth since the world crash and a second recession in 2012
The U.S is a bit more complicated but this explains things well http://fortune.com/2018/02/16/us-debt-deficit-economic-growth/

Apart from the Germans who have a huge amount of internal squabbling going on over 'immigration or not'. None of these countries are in peril because of the intake of foreigners.

I've been to the refugee camps in Jordan. You really have no idea.