Attack on London Bridge

[JTM45]

And we were dumb enough to let all those people in - talk about having a hand in our own destruction. PC has been our biggest enemy and the worst thing to happen to the West. I wonder what the history books will be saying about it all in the future.

You're so obsessed with ill-perceived 'facts' that you can barely make any valid points. You see everything through a tiny little blinkered window that's just full of hate, negativity and xenophobia that you can't see just how much good there really is in the World. It far out-weighs the evil in the World. You should maybe try having a look at all the great people there are doing wonderful things to help others all around the globe instead of obsessing over the tiny percentage of really bad people.
Save yourself! Seek help before it's too late.

[jaxie]

Well done the police though, on scene in 3 mins and all terrorists dead within 8 mins.

Huge thank you to our police for getting this under control so quickly and putting themselves at risk to do so.

[andybigbro]

:bored:

This is getting way out of control. And needs to stop immediately.

Those poor people and their families :sad:

[Cherie]

A video just popped up on my facebook.
It features a young girl who looks about 15 fighting for her life as she lay stabbed on the floor. Her mother pleading and begging for her to hold on.

Im in bits.:bawling:

This is such an awful situation made 100 times worse by some cretin filming a girl fighting for her life, and then posting it on FB..the police have asked for footage to be uploaded onto their website for investigation purposes, this is just awful that this cretin feels its appropriate to share this on FB

[Cherie]

Huge thank you to our police for getting this under control so quickly and putting themselves at risk to do so.

and that they were appropriately armed, I know there is a case against arming the police but unfortunately it is a necessity now

[Jamie89]

So incredibly sad, it must have been terrifying. Thoughts are with the victims and their families :sad:

[JTM45]

This is such an awful situation made 100 times worse by some cretin filming a girl fighting for her life, and then posting it on FB..the police have asked for footage to be uploaded onto their website for investigation purposes, this is just awful that this cretin feels its appropriate to share this on FB

Extremely disturbing when people are more concerned with getting Facebook likes than sending such 'footage' to the Police where it could possibly help.
Like you say, the fact that someone even filmed this is disgusting. Wouldn't the obvious thing to do be to put your ****ing phone down and try and help the poor girl !!!!?

[Cherie]

Extremely disturbing when people are more concerned with getting Facebook likes than sending such 'footage' to the Police where it could possibly help.
Like you say, the fact that someone even filmed this is disgusting. Wouldn't the obvious thing to do be to put your ****ing phone down and try and help the poor girl !!!!?

I don't know what is wrong with some people, I really don't, its like its they think they are in some kind of game or its not real life or something.

[thesheriff443]

Extremely disturbing when people are more concerned with getting Facebook likes than sending such 'footage' to the Police where it could possibly help.
Like you say, the fact that someone even filmed this is disgusting. Wouldn't the obvious thing to do be to put your ****ing phone down and try and help the poor girl !!!!?

News agencies ask and use phone footage in there reports.

Big brother was reality tv, terror attacks is now the new reality tv.

[JTM45]

I don't know what is wrong with some people, I really don't, its like its they think they are in some kind of game or its not real life or something.

People are so obsessed with their phones and Social Media i think they actually forget what's important and what, really, means absolutely nothing!
A lot of kids and younger adults have grown up knowing nothing else i suppose. Very worrying.

[Beso]

Extremely disturbing when people are more concerned with getting Facebook likes than sending such 'footage' to the Police where it could possibly help.
Like you say, the fact that someone even filmed this is disgusting. Wouldn't the obvious thing to do be to put your ****ing phone down and try and help the poor girl !!!!?

I agree with everything you say but need to add the girl was being treated by police officers.

[joeysteele]

Extremely disturbing when people are more concerned with getting Facebook likes than sending such 'footage' to the Police where it could possibly help.
Like you say, the fact that someone even filmed this is disgusting. Wouldn't the obvious thing to do be to put your ****ing phone down and try and help the poor girl !!!!?

Strong post again.from both yourself and Cherie.

[JTM45]

I agree with everything you say but need to add the girl was being treated by police officers.

What then, other than just to be a sick ****, was the point of filming such a situation ? Were they thinking of the £ they could get from selling it to one of the daily rags ?

[thesheriff443]

The world has changed, police now wearing body cameras, programs now showing full police murder investigations. Crime scenes,the killer the victim, the kids, families, the murder scene.

[Kizzy]

It was a fantastic response by the police, amazing people.

[JTM45]

It was a fantastic response by the police, amazing people.

Truly!
Just watched the first bit of actual video i've seen on the BBC News now.
Once the Police were there they shut the mother****ers down very quickly! Great to see such uncompromising action taken in response to awful cowards.

[Withano]

I really stuggle to put my thoughts into words at times like these, because it is just incomprehensible. I dont understand how anybody is physically capable of this. These people are just evil. They dont represent their race or religion, they dont represent mankind.. they're just subhuman to me, and theyve been lied to by someone they respect.
Its just such a needless waste, this is terrible. I'm not sure what the solution is, I'm not sure if there is a solution, you cant fight an evil without knowing it exists, or where and when its coming.. it just seems like the way we live now, and I hate that. RIP to the 7 life's lost.

[Withano]

It was a fantastic response by the police, amazing people.

It really was. They might have had a long line of plans.

[Withano]

I don't know what is wrong with some people, I really don't, its like its they think they are in some kind of game or its not real life or something.

Its exactly that Cherie, a game. Theres a very competitive nature to social media.

[Nicky91]

omg so sad to hear this news this morning on BBC Breakfast :bawling:

[thesheriff443]

Members should take a look at Luton crown court listing and cases, to see what is going on in our country, this is just one crown court.

[Cherie]

I agree with everything you say but need to add the girl was being treated by police officers.

No need for it to be on FB it's so disrespectful to the poor girl, her mother, her family, her friends imagine turning on FB and seeing a family member in that situation, it might be how you learn of their involvement, just wrong on so many levels

[Beso]

What then, other than just to be a sick ****, was the point of filming such a situation ? Were they thinking of the £ they could get from selling it to one of the daily rags ?

I dont really care at this time. I am still in shock at the images.

[Cherie]

Its exactly that Cherie, a game. Theres a very competitive nature to social media.

That's so sad

[Cherie]

7 dead, 48 injured some critical, attackers wearing fake sucide vests

[Beso]

I really stuggle to put my thoughts into words at times like these, because it is just incomprehensible. I dont understand how anybody is physically capable of this. These people are just evil. They dont represent their race or religion, they dont represent mankind.. they're just subhuman to me, and theyve been lied to by someone they respect.
Its just such a needless waste, this is terrible. I'm not sure what the solution is, I'm not sure if there is a solution, you cant fight an evil without knowing it exists, or where and when its coming.. it just seems like the way we live now, and I hate that. RIP to the 6 lifes lost.

You have a thousand mnms, 10 of them will kill you. Do you want any?

[Ashley.]

Tragic. What a terrible, terrible thing.

[Kazanne]

Good old Tereasa,you tell em,we need to get harder on them

[Kazanne]

I was watching this unfold last night ,awful images and scarey.

[smudgie]

I was watching this unfold last night ,awful images and scarey.

I can't imagine the fear and horror on the streets in London last night.
Many will not have slept, all across Britain, the awful truth is that this could happen on a street near you, wherever you live.
Such a sad world full of hate.

[user104658]

Out of interest why do you think that Canada so far hasn't had the same homegrown problem with Muslims like we're having in the UK? I'm asking this because it's interesting to get the perspective of an outsider to the country.

Because they don't treat immigrants like ****, give them sideways glances of fear and hatred, isolate them and demonise them, making them easy for the very few truly evil people to radicalise.

I don't say this lightly at all; but I 100% place some of the blame for these attacks, and these deaths, on the British people who are responsible for furthering the environment of hatred and rejection that helps twist people into mindless killers. If you are one of these people, you have blood on your hands. People aren't going to like that but people ****ing need to start hearing it because this is starting to snowball at an alarming rate.

[Kazanne]

I can't imagine the fear and horror on the streets in London last night.
Many will not have slept, all across Britain, the awful truth is that this could happen on a street near you, wherever you live.
Such a sad world full of hate.

The rolling news makes it all too real smudgie,we see more and more images.

[Kizzy]

'The attack on London Bridge shows there is "far too much tolerance" of Islamist extremism in Britain today, Theresa May has said.'


Is she using this as a snipe at Corbyn, there was a suspension of election campaigning wasn't there?

Does the exclusion of right wing extremism in that statement mean that that is acceptable.... what an odd statement, who is she referring to here?

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/london-bridge-terror-attack-theresa-may-tolerance-of-extremism-terrorism-islam-a7771836.html

[JTM45]

How on Earth can the Maybot claim that ''recent attacks are not connected'' !!!?
How, if everyone involved in this latest one is dead, and it's only just happened, can she draw a conclusion like that ?

[Redway]

Disgusting.

[Lee.]

Because they don't treat immigrants like ****, give them sideways glances of fear and hatred, isolate them and demonise them, making them easy for the very few truly evil people to radicalise.

I don't say this lightly at all; but I 100% place some of the blame for these attacks, and these deaths, on the British people who are responsible for furthering the environment of hatred and rejection that helps twist people into mindless killers. If you are one of these people, you have blood on your hands. People aren't going to like that but people ****ing need to start hearing it because this is starting to snowball at an alarming rate.
Agree with this 100%

[Withano]

You have a thousand mnms, 10 of them will kill you. Do you want any?

This only makes sense if these M&Ms are the last food source on Earth, and the point you're trying to make would only be worth something if you're suggesting that you would destroy all of them, and even then its dissociative.

[joeysteele]

More stronger sentencing is not going to help, anyone suspected that might be a possible terrorist but who hasn't committed any crime at all cannot be sentenced.

Those also who commit these vile acts and murders,don't care one bit about sentences, they don't care a bit about losing their own lives.

We have had 3 incidents in as many months, it is security that needs looking at.
2 bridge incidents,there must be ways to inhibit access to such bridges with added security and safety planning to separate Road from walkways.

Determined words we've heard before that haven't addressed much as I say again these terrorists, as long as they have been able to take the lives of some people,don't care at all as to what happens to themselves after they've done anything.

[user104658]

'The attack on London Bridge shows there is "far too much tolerance" of Islamist extremism in Britain today, Theresa May has said.'


Is she using this as a snipe at Corbyn, there was a suspension of election campaigning wasn't there?

Not if you "subtly" pretend it isn't election campaigning. She's a cold, cynical old witch... very little doubt in my mind that she was thinking of ways to exploit this situation as soon as she heard the news.

[Redway]

What Toy Soldier said. I'm no fan of Islam and certain aspects of that religion are sick but my problem's when people use that as a platform to chat xenophobic bull.

[user104658]

More stronger sentencing is not going to help, anyone suspected that might be a possible terrorist but who hasn't committed any crime at all cannot be sentenced.

Those also who commit these vile acts and murders,don't care one bit about sentences, they don't care a bit about losing their own lives.

We have had 3 incidents in as many months, it is security that needs looking at.
2 bridge incidents,there must be ways to inhibit access to such bridges with added security and safety planning to separate Road from walkways.

Determined words we've heard before that haven't addressed much as I say again these terrorists, as long as they have been able to take the lives of some people,don't care at all as to what happens to themselves after they've done anything.

We need a complete U-turn and change in the way that the entire situation is being tackled from the ground up. Not "more cracking down". Cracking down isn't working, knee jerk responses are not helping.

[joeysteele]

Not if you "subtly" pretend it isn't election campaigning. She's a cold, cynical old witch... very little doubt in my mind that she was thinking of ways to exploit this situation as soon as she heard the news.

I feel the same,if she is right and I say if.
She was Home Secretary for over 6 years and her govt has been in power for the last 7.
Disgraceful of her to use this tragedy this way.

[JTM45]

Not if you "subtly" pretend it isn't election campaigning. She's a cold, cynical old witch... very little doubt in my mind that she was thinking of ways to exploit this situation as soon as she heard the news.

She's a vile divisive old crone!

I wonder if the armed police that were so invaluable last night will lose their jobs in the Great Tory Police Cull where, instead of getting more Police we lose 20,000 ?:shrug:

[Kizzy]

Yes we have failed for 7yrs... But we're gonna CRACK DOWN!

* and they all vote tory*


****s sake!

[user104658]

My real fear for what's going to happen here is that there is going to be this "crack down", hand in hand with the already emboldened Islamophobes spewing more and more of their bile (because remember, "it's allowed now!"), and the end result isn't going to be "fewer attacks", it's going to be full blown civil unrest with untold damage. And do you know what said Islamophobes will say when that happens? Not "oh no, we tackled this all wrong..." but, "SEE we told you they were animals!".

[Ashley.]

Because they don't treat immigrants like ****, give them sideways glances of fear and hatred, isolate them and demonise them, making them easy for the very few truly evil people to radicalise.

I don't say this lightly at all; but I 100% place some of the blame for these attacks, and these deaths, on the British people who are responsible for furthering the environment of hatred and rejection that helps twist people into mindless killers. If you are one of these people, you have blood on your hands. People aren't going to like that but people ****ing need to start hearing it because this is starting to snowball at an alarming rate.

Absolutely true, I'm afraid. Proving to everyone that we're "unified" and "rising above" isn't going to scare anyone away if we're solely doing it out of hatred.

[Brillopad]

Because they don't treat immigrants like ****, give them sideways glances of fear and hatred, isolate them and demonise them, making them easy for the very few truly evil people to radicalise.

I don't say this lightly at all; but I 100% place some of the blame for these attacks, and these deaths, on the British people who are responsible for furthering the environment of hatred and rejection that helps twist people into mindless killers. If you are one of these people, you have blood on your hands. People aren't going to like that but people ****ing need to start hearing it because this is starting to snowball at an alarming rate.

Just as many believe that too much unmonitored immigration and PC culture are 100% responsible for these deaths and those that supported this have blood on their hands. You and others are righteous in your beliefs on this whilst I and others are righteous in our beliefs on this. Looks like that won't change any time soon.

[JTM45]

What on Earth does she think going after our Internet privacy is going to do ?
It takes all of 5 minutes to make yourself invisible online and then all the average, everyday Internet users are left to have their every move poked into and interfered with.

Couldn't be any clearer that she's used this terrible situation as an alternative campaigning cry. Sadly it'll probably work to some extent too.

[Beso]

This only makes sense if these M&Ms are the last food source on Earth, and the point you're trying to make would only be worth something if you're suggesting that you would destroy all of them, and even then its dissociative.

My post was in reference to the influx of immigrants or asylum seekers not muslims.

In no way does it promote extermination of anyone.

[JTM45]

Just as many believe that too much unmonitored immigration and PC culture are 100% responsible for these deaths and have blood on their hands. You and others are righteous in your beliefs on this whilst I and others are righteous in our beliefs on this. Looks like that won't change any time soon.

You really need to find some new material for your act.
These are worn out, debunked and bogus.

[Beso]

Lets all post our flags and we stand with london banners and go about our daily business as if nothings happened.

May is right, things need to change.

[Kazanne]

Lets all post our flags and we stand with london banners and go about our daily business as if nothings happened.

May is right, things need to change.

Anyone with a brain cell can see that parmnion,all this lets be nice and welcome all is all well and good as long as you sift out the bad seed,but the bad seed is getting in and growing into the scum that want to kill innocents,time to sift them out and get rid.

[Beso]

Anyone with a brain cell can see that parmnion,all this lets be nice and welcome all is all well and good as long as you sift out the bad seed,but the bad seed is getting in and growing into the scum that want to kill innocents,time to sift them out and get rid.

Isis did say they would send 100 if not 1000 of fighters in amongst all the immigrants we have sadly seen fleeing places like syria.


I wont be surprised if these 3 are homegrown.

But people ask who are influencing or supposedly brainwashing them?

Could it be possible its the isis fighters who have managed to return home seeing as its so easy to hide yourself on the internet.

[joeysteele]

Well it certainly is not going to help at all helping create more suspicion and division against Islam as she seems to be trying to.
At a time we need all communities and Islamic ones to come together to only then fuel more hate against any section, is only going to please the prejudiced and kangaroo court people in UK society.

Honestly,she does come across in all the wrong ways on this.
This is not a major problem that she can solve with the usual divide and conquer stance.
In fact now this could escalate,not only attacks like this but also intolerance against Islamic communities who even are totally law abiding.
Awful wording today from a prime Minister after 3 incidents in only the same number of months.

Step up real security not divisive unhelpful rhetoric.

[Beso]

That bloke on sky news telling his story.:clap1:

[Shaun]

Yes we have failed for 7yrs... But we're gonna CRACK DOWN!

* and they all vote tory*


****s sake!

I was about to say I can't imagine many would be dumb enough to believe that a government that's allowed 3 attacks to happen in 2 months, through complacency, police underfunding and failed immigration policy, could be trusted to be elected again but... Yes actually I can quite easily believe they would be.

[Beso]

Well it certainly is not going to help at all helping create more suspicion and division against Islam as she seems to be trying to.
At a time we need all communities and Islamic ones to come together to only then fuel more hate against any section, is only going to please the prejudiced and kangaroo court people in UK society.

Honestly,she does come across in all the wrong ways on this.
This is not a major problem that she can solve with the usual divide and conquer stance.
In fact now this could escalate,not only attacks like this but also intolerance against Islamic communities who even are totally law abiding.
Awful wording today from a prime Minister after 3 incidents in only the same number of months.

Step up real security not divisive unhelpful rhetoric.

She might be getting into bed with ukip for a coalition.

[Brillopad]

You really need to find some new material for your act.
These are worn out, debunked and bogus.

That works both ways.

[Beso]

I was about to say I can't imagine many would be dumb enough to believe that a government that's allowed 3 attacks to happen in 2 months, through complacency, police underfunding and failed immigration policy, could be trusted to be elected again but... Yes actually I can quite easily believe they would be.

https://www.google.co.uk/amp/www.bbc.co.uk/news/amp/39176110

[Kazanne]

I don't know , people have been murdered,people have been injured,and all it gets down to is "I don't like TM,it's her fault,blah,blah,blah" maybe think of those poor souls who have lost their lives.

[smudgie]

I was about to say I can't imagine many would be dumb enough to believe that a government that's allowed 3 attacks to happen in 2 months, through complacency, police underfunding and failed immigration policy, could be trusted to be elected again but... Yes actually I can quite easily believe they would be.

No government can stop these soft target attacks.
Any idiot can jump in a car/van and mow people down and then attack them with knives, anywhere across the country, anywhere across the world.
5 attacks have been stopped since the Westminster attack, hardly complacency.
I should imagine a lot of voters will cast their vote towards who they feel safer with at the helm. Can't say Corbyn instills any confidence in me personally.:shrug:

[Beso]

What if your normal life involves getting a day ticket for london one saturday a month and doing a monopoly like pub crawl?

What if your in london on 7/7 with your 9yr old son on the last morning of your holiday standing outside earls court tube station as people flood out when all ypu want to do is go in like you did the morning before only 20 minutes earlier.

What if you get an hour long bus or train journey on a packed bus everday?

What are you supposed to do these days?

Do you stare at the asian guy with the rucksake squashed in 3 feet away, or do you stand looking at the floor or the tube map?

Dont blame racism, blame the constant wordly terrorist attacks.

[user104658]

I don't know , people have been murdered,people have been injured,and all it gets down to is "I don't like TM,it's her fault,blah,blah,blah" maybe think of those poor souls who have lost their lives.
So much worse than "I don't like immigrants, it's all their fault", right? You don't seem to have a problem with THAT rhetoric so you can dismount that high horse.

And also, as for thinking of the victims, it's possible to do both. There are going to be far more victims if there isn't an actual fundamental change.

A "bigger crack down and getting tougher" is not a change, it's more of the same hot air we've heard for years, it isn't working. The problems we have are so much bigger. Pushing back against them more and more rather than finding new ways to work through them is going to result in carnage that will make these attacks - as horrendous as they are - seem miniscule by comparison. I'm sick of pretending that the hate fuelled bile spitting xenophobes don't shoulder a huge part of the blame. And yes, I know that "But they blame PC and immigration 2 so there", funnily enough, that has already been mentioned. Every single day.

I don't care who does or doesn't want to hear the flipside; you're going to hear it.

[Kazanne]

No government can stop these soft target attacks.
Any idiot can jump in a car/van and mow people down and then attack them with knives, anywhere across the country, anywhere across the world.
5 attacks have been stopped since the Westminster attack, hardly complacency.
I should imagine a lot of voters will cast their vote towards who they feel safer with at the helm. Can't say Corbyn instills any confidence in me personally.:shrug:

We have the best people for stopping attacks smudgie,no one mentions how many attacks have been stopped ,they prefer to use the ones that do get through as a political point scoring session,Kudos the the men and women who are working night and day to keep us safe and in the main they do just that,and our police were there last night in minutes,people are only human ,they will make mistakes,some expect miracles .

[joeysteele]

Everyone is thinking about the murdered people,it took me and my cousin until after 1 am to contact our family and friends in London.
Everyone cares about the murdered.

Knee jerk divisive worded statement from a PM trying to capitalise in even a small way,is what some people also do and should care about.

These terrorists don't care even to losing their own lives,you don't beat that by creating more suspicion and division.
You need the full cooperation from Islamic communities in an involved way.
Getting at Mrs May is justifiable,she called this election,she should ensure absolute strict real security is always in place during this time and beyond.
She was Home Secretary since May 2010, yet she's only now saying there's too much tolerance.

She did nothing as Home Secretary,it is she who needs to possibly consider these loss of lives more in the last 3 months and likely more to be lost too.
It's not her fault these terrorists do this but we had lives lost on a bridge just over 2 months ago,here we have another incident now.
Get real security on bridges for a start,even if that means inconveniencing flow of traffic.
Make bridge walkways safer,make it that traffic cannot charge into pedestrians.
She's done nothing, not a thing as to that.

[user104658]

Dont blame racism, blame the constant wordly terrorist attacks.

The point is that one feeds directly into the other. Attacks increase racism, increased racism increases the amount as of radicalisation, increased radicalisation increases the number of attacks, which increases racism.

You continue to operate in that cycle if you want. It needs to be broken somewhere. And it's not going to broken "with a big ol' crackdown" that feeds directly into the same cycle.

[Kazanne]

Everyone is thinking about the murdered people,it took me and my cousin until after 1 am to contact our family and friends in London.
Everyone cares about the murdered.

Knee jerk divisive worded statement from a PM trying to capitalise in even a small way,is what some people also do and should care about.

These terrorists don't care even to losing their own lives,you don't beat that by creating more suspicion and division.
You need the full cooperation from Islamic communities in an involved way.
Getting at Mrs May is justifiable,she called this election,she should ensure absolute strict real security is always in place during this time and beyond.
She was Home Secretary since May 2010, yet she's only now saying there's too much tolerance.

She did nothing as Home Secretary,it is she who needs to possibly consider these loss of lives more in the last 3 months and likely more to be lost too.
It's not her fault these terrorists do this but we had lives lost on a bridge just over 2 months ago,here we have another incident now.
Get real security on bridges for a start,even if that means inconveniencing flow of traffic.
Make bridge walkways safer,make it that traffic cannot charge into pedestrians.
She's done nothing, not a thing as to that.

Well Joey these guys would rather die than spend time incarcerated in a prison,I think that would be a good solution ,but not imprisoned for months but for years they would hate that,as for making the bridges / walkways safer etc,I agree but at the same time you could just tell everyone to lock themselves indoors and they will be safe.If we didn't have the security we do have many more people would have been killed,we have some of the best. People seem to think they know what to do and how to solve it,i say get out there and do it if it is so easy.

[Cherie]

So much worse than "I don't like immigrants, it's all their fault", right? You don't seem to have a problem with THAT rhetoric so you can dismount that high horse.

And also, as for thinking of the victims, it's possible to do both. There are going to be far more victims if there isn't an actual fundamental change.

A "bigger crack down and getting tougher" is not a change, it's more of the same hot air we've heard for years, it isn't working. The problems we have are so much bigger. Pushing back against them more and more rather than finding new ways to work through them is going to result in carnage that will make these attacks - as horrendous as they are - seem miniscule by comparison. I'm sick of pretending that the hate fuelled bile spitting xenophobes don't shoulder a huge part of the blame. And yes, I know that "But they blame PC and immigration 2 so there", funnily enough, that has already been mentioned. Every single day.

I don't care who does or doesn't want to hear the flipside; you're going to hear it.

At least you are finally admitting there is a problem a few months ago you wouldn't have posted at all in a thread on terrorism

[Beso]

The point is that one feeds directly into the other. Attacks increase racism, increased racism increases the amount as of radicalisation, increased radicalisation increases the number of attacks, which increases racism.

You continue to operate in that cycle if you want. It needs to be broken somewhere. And it's not going to broken "with a big ol' crackdown" that feeds directly into the same cycle.

The point is, at the moment only one side is at war, the other side is dilly dallying in fear of causing offence.

[Scarlett.]

Lets all post our flags and we stand with london banners and go about our daily business as if nothings happened.

May is right, things need to change.

It's all good saying 'things need to change' but how do you combat an enemy that lives among us, waiting to strike without warning?

[user104658]

At least you are finally admitting there is a problem a few months ago you wouldn't have posted at all in a thread on terrorism

I "wouldn't have posted at all in a thread on terrorism"? Bull****, Cherie.

The point is, at the moment only one side is at war, the other side is dilly dallying in fear of causing offence.

Oh and more bull****.

[user104658]

It's all good saying 'things need to change' but how do you combat an enemy that lives among us, waiting to strike without warning?

With cruise missiles, stern words, and tabloid outrage Chewy. This is war, after all.

[Kizzy]

I don't know , people have been murdered,people have been injured,and all it gets down to is "I don't like TM,it's her fault,blah,blah,blah" maybe think of those poor souls who have lost their lives.

I am thinking of them, you can't be complacent whilst bombing the feck out of countries indiscriminately.

To cut our public services and anti terror budget was a poor poor choice done under her governance, that cannot be sidelined where is the accountability?
Waiting for a terrorist atrocity to occur and THEN pledging improved civil contingency measures does nothing to help those who have died either.

[Tom4784]

There's nothing to be said that hasn't been said before really, TS has encapsulated what I believe in his posts.

I was about to say I can't imagine many would be dumb enough to believe that a government that's allowed 3 attacks to happen in 2 months, through complacency, police underfunding and failed immigration policy, could be trusted to be elected again but... Yes actually I can quite easily believe they would be.

The public as a whole are incredibly gullible so yes, that will come to pass.

[joeysteele]

Well Joey these guys would rather die than spend time incarcerated in a prison,I think that would be a good solution ,but not imprisoned for months but for years they would hate that,as for making the bridges / walkways safer etc,I agree but at the same time you could just tell everyone to lock themselves indoors and they will be safe.If we didn't have the security we do have many more people would have been killed,we have some of the best. People seem to think they know what to do and how to solve it,i say get out there and do it if it is so easy.


Prisons, it is said prison has become a breeding ground for conversions to Islam.
In prison all they would do is set out to convert others to their cause.

Put them in a separate prison,for what by the way,just being possible suspects rather than doing a vile incident like this.
Lock people up for suspected reasons on this,that will only fuel those that think like them do be more determined to murder.

More hate,more suspicion,more division.
What can prisons do, this govt has demoralised prison officers, they cannot even stop drugs getting into prisons.

The vile terrorist that carries out these acts 'want' to be martyred.
They don't care.
The killers of Lee Rigby are imprisoned,they aren't bothered and attacks have not stopped.

Whether in prison or dead, these terrorists are seen as martyrs to a cause.
How to fight that, needs bringing together communities,not dividing further.
Not whip up prejudice and hate but work for full participation from Islamic communities and leaders against this distortion of their faith.

Make places safer and if that means more Police get them not have massive taxpayers bills keeping more and more people in prison who may never get to trial.
Start with bridges,where little escape is possible and make it as unlikely as is possible to prevent traffic invading walkways.
Get the full security on the streets,using the army if deemed necessary too.
Then actively engage with Islamic communities and leaders to work out real possible ways to start to deal with this.

Not just spout off wording that sounds tough but which has never so far come into action despite these vile attacks.
Also though,make security a National issue not a Party one and thrash out an agreed policy on this by all Parties. So that continuity of said policy is carried on even if and when a govt changes.

[Ammi]

The point is that one feeds directly into the other. Attacks increase racism, increased racism increases the amount as of radicalisation, increased radicalisation increases the number of attacks, which increases racism.

You continue to operate in that cycle if you want. It needs to be broken somewhere. And it's not going to broken "with a big ol' crackdown" that feeds directly into the same cycle.

..no, attacks increase fears and fears can bring racism to the surface (if it was present already..)...in some cases...just dismissively calling something bull**** pointlessly adds frustrations and defensiveness also which only contributes to any negativity being felt through fears....I think it's wrong to look at what we feel are the contributions of other to negativity without looking closely at our own contribution...

[Nicky91]

..no, attacks increase fears and fears can bring racism to the surface (if it was present already..)...in some cases...just dismissively calling something bull**** pointlessly adds frustrations and defensiveness also which only contributes to any negativity being felt through fears....I think it's wrong to look at what we feel are the contributions of other to negativity without looking closely at our own contribution...

OMG Ammi ur back sweetie :hug:

[smudgie]

..no, attacks increase fears and fears can bring racism to the surface (if it was present already..)...in some cases...just dismissively calling something bull**** pointlessly adds frustrations and defensiveness also which only contributes to any negativity being felt through fears....I think it's wrong to look at what we feel are the contributions of other to negativity without looking closely at our own contribution...

I knew something was missing from these forums, the voice of reason.we need to see more from you Ammi...please.:love:

[RichardG]

..no, attacks increase fears and fears can bring racism to the surface (if it was present already..)...in some cases...just dismissively calling something bull**** pointlessly adds frustrations and defensiveness also which only contributes to any negativity being felt through fears....I think it's wrong to look at what we feel are the contributions of other to negativity without looking closely at our own contribution...

:lovedup:

[Kazanne]

Prisons, it is said prison has become a breeding ground for conversions to Islam.
In prison all they would do is set out to convert others to their cause.

Put them in a separate prison,for what by the way,just being possible suspects rather than doing a vile incident like this.
Lock people up for suspected reasons on this,that will only fuel those that think like them do be more determined to murder.

More hate,more suspicion,more division.
What can prisons do, this govt has demoralised prison officers, they cannot even stop drugs getting into prisons.

The vile terrorist that carries out these acts 'want' to be martyred.
They don't care.
The killers of Lee Rigby are imprisoned,they aren't bothered and attacks have not stopped.

Whether in prison or dead, these terrorists are seen as martyrs to a cause.
How to fight that, needs bringing together communities,not dividing further.
Not whip up prejudice and hate but work for full participation from Islamic communities and leaders against this distortion of their faith.

Make places safer and if that means more Police get them not have massive taxpayers bills keeping more and more people in prison who may never get to trial.
Start with bridges,where little escape is possible and make it as unlikely as is possible to prevent traffic invading walkways.
Get the full security on the streets,using the army if deemed necessary too.
Then actively engage with Islamic communities and leaders to work out real possible ways to start to deal with this.

Not just spout off wording that sounds tough but which has never so far come into action despite these vile attacks.
Also though,make security a National issue not a Party one and thrash out an agreed policy on this by all Parties. So that continuity of said policy is carried on even if and when a govt changes.

I do think barriers on bridges and bollards on walkways would be a step forward, but if you get a big truck Joey it could still do some damage.

[Kazanne]

..no, attacks increase fears and fears can bring racism to the surface (if it was present already..)...in some cases...just dismissively calling something bull**** pointlessly adds frustrations and defensiveness also which only contributes to any negativity being felt through fears....I think it's wrong to look at what we feel are the contributions of other to negativity without looking closely at our own contribution...

:clap1::clap1:

[RichardG]

I do think barriers on bridges and bollards on walkways would be a step forward, but if you get a big truck Joey it could still do some damage.

what an absolute mess our country is in if we now have to place barriers and bollards all over our streets to stop people from running us over

[Kizzy]

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/london-bridge-terror-attack-theresa-may-tolerance-of-extremism-terrorism-islam-a7771836.html

Another shudda gonna from may... that was your one job as home secretary, to prevent the rise of radicalisation in communities and your cuts are to blame for the reduced resources tying the hands of counter terrorism.

[Cherie]

what an absolute mess our country is in if we now have to place barriers and bollards all over our streets to stop people from running us over

the bollards you see outside train stations and elsewhere came from activity by the IRA, it was also the reason you couldn't find a litter bin in central London back in the day, this is nothing new, just a new way of causing terror other than planting bombs

[Shaun]

I can't imagine how expensive barriers everywhere would be (in terms of busy towns, obviously, don't really see the need for a village square or anything smaller) but it's a good idea.

I was thinking stricter controls on who owns/drives vehicles would be required as well but I can't really fathom how that would be enforced, how open it would be to abusing the system, etc.

[Cherie]

I "wouldn't have posted at all in a thread on terrorism"? Bull****, Cherie.

.

its not bull****, you are very quite on threads about attacks yet very vocal in mocking peoples concerns about terrorism

[Kazanne]

what an absolute mess our country is in if we now have to place barriers and bollards all over our streets to stop people from running us over

I know, but we might have to do something similar to keep people safer.

[joeysteele]

I do think barriers on bridges and bollards on walkways would be a step forward, but if you get a big truck Joey it could still do some damage.

I agree but security could get round that one in some way I'm sure.

A problem is,these people distort their faith of Islam, they believe they are doing right.
To fight that we need the Islamic community leaders and religious leaders to point martyrdom is the opposite of what they'll get,carrying out these murders.

To get that cooperation,what's needed in my view, is understanding of Islam,genuine cooperation from the respected in Islamic communities and not set out to fuel.division,suspicion and separation.
That will only make things worse and far less safe for all too.

It's no easy task but dealing now with terrorist threats needs to be all Party agreement not just one government's.
That would also help send a positive message to all communities across the UK.

[jaxie]

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/london-bridge-terror-attack-theresa-may-tolerance-of-extremism-terrorism-islam-a7771836.html

Another shudda gonna from may... that was your one job as home secretary, to prevent the rise of radicalisation in communities and your cuts are to blame for the reduced resources tying the hands of counter terrorism.

All the political baiting, specially on this thread, is getting sickening now.

If someone wants to go out and hurt people in the name of their religion, they don't give a flying **** who is in charge of the country and they are not going to stop it whether May or Corbyn is in power or how many policemen are on the street.

[Northern Monkey]

I agree but security could get round that one in some way I'm sure.

A problem is,these people distort their faith of Islam, they believe they are doing right.
To fight that we need the Islamic community leaders and religious leaders to point martyrdom is the opposite of what they'll get,carrying out these murders.

To get that cooperation,what's needed in my view, is understanding of Islam,genuine cooperation from the respected in Islamic communities and not set out to fuel.division,suspicion and separation.
That will only make things worse and far less safe for all too.

It's no easy task but dealing now with terrorist threats needs to be all Party agreement not just one government's.
That would also help send a positive message to all communities across the UK.
I agree and i think more community police within these communities who are trusted by the people who can report any suspicious activities.
Also some kind of monitoring or OFSTED type presence within the mosques.

[arista]

21 critical people still in Hospital
out of the total of 38.
Total confirmed dead is now 7.

http://news.sky.com/story/knife-attack-after-car-mounts-pavement-in-london-reports-10903580

[user104658]

its not bull****, you are very quite on threads about attacks yet very vocal in mocking peoples concerns about terrorism

If that's true, it's because this is also true;

All the political baiting, specially on this thread, is getting sickening now.

Other than to say that the attacks and loss of life is awful, what is there to say on these threads that isn't hugely disrespectful to the dead and injured? Look at the thread from last week... within the first page there had been anti-immigration comments made, when there were children lying dead or seriously hurt. I'm quiet because it's not the place, or the time, and because I struggle to read people doing that without getting angry.

[lewis111]

Police shot a member of the public last night

[lewis111]

50 bullets were fired at the 3 attackers

[Beso]

Police shot a member of the public last night

Its understandable, they survived.

[Beso]

50 bullets were fired at the 3 attackers

Its understandable.

[arista]

http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2017/06/04/11/4116A94300000578-4569638-image-m-14_1496573038050.jpg

[Anaesthesia]

All the political baiting, specially on this thread, is getting sickening now.

If someone wants to go out and hurt people in the name of their religion, they don't give a flying **** who is in charge of the country and they are not going to stop it whether May or Corbyn is in power or how many policemen are on the street.

Of course they don't give a flying **** but I agree with Kizzy, especially when TM is bleating "enough is enough" well yes...it is, we can see that all by ourselves, and maybe we can only hope for someone in charge that might be able to make a difference rather than someone that's buried her head in the sand as Home Secretary for 6 years and doesn't have an effing clue how to go about tackling it.

Someone (I think maybe joeysteele) said that this needs to have a non-divisional, cross-party line on tackling the threat and with this I wholeheartedly agree.

[Cherie]

Unconfirmed but it looks like at least one of the attackers was reported by the Muslim community, Prevent needs a radical overhaul

[Vanessa]

Sad times we live in. You don't feel safe anywhere and you're always looking over your shoulder. I'm in central London for a concert. No one will stop me living my life. But prayers for all those we lost. :(

[Gusto Brunt]

I heard that stupid Mrs May reading her statement out after the attacks, and she said 'enough is enough.'

What a dope. As if the Manchester murders was like the government saying to the terrorists 'we'll give you one more chance, then it will be enough is enough..'

I ask you, to stop and listen what these politicians actually saying. Most of them are morons who speak like parrots. They haven't got a living brain cell.

Mrs May is a complete idiot. I hear words coming out of her mouth, but she never actually says anything. :mad:

Thick as two short planks.

[Brother Leon]

Unconfirmed but it looks like at least one of the attackers was reported by the Muslim community, Prevent needs a radical overhaul

Won't change. I know at least 4-5 people who live down the road from me that have gone to Libya/Syria to fight and come back and nothing has happened despite the reports.

[Shaun]

Have you reported yourself, Leon? (If so, what's the system/process like?)

[Brother Leon]

Have you reported yourself, Leon? (If so, what's the system/process like?)

I filled out the online form on the Met website. Fairly simple. My father phoned their hotline though after a couple of them approached him and tried to get him to convert to to their extreme wahabi views. He found it a little annoying as they pretty much constantly ask "Are you in danger now? is it an urgent emergency now" so whenever he said "well no not now" he felt a little silly and had to keep stressing that they may pose a threat rather than they are exactly now. I think that may be the flaw in the system as I imagine they must get so many reports.

[longstar]

60 percent of Muslims said that they would not report a fellow Muslim if they plan to attack or fight with isis, that's a big amount of enemy on your doorstep, and people will have to realize that multiculturalism an diversity is a failed experiment, the whole motion of people from different race,religion,an cultures can live together is just a dream that can never work, most Muslims don't want to integrate and live in enclaves, and the problem is deflected with excuses on us not them, political correctness has made us weak and feeble to fight back, and are politicians are even much worse, they are too scared to offend them with the truth, and we can't deport Muslim sex gangs and they are still grooming girls even today, and the same with the Extremists, can't deport them, why, are farce of the human rights laws that we are stuck with, and is it time this country started to debate about repatriation of its Muslim population, and integration holds the key to this hole thing, because the attacks in this country prove that we can't keep going back to square one every time this happens,

[DemolitionRed]

My husband and me lay flowers and a note at the bridge today. Our thoughts are with those who lost their loved ones and all those who have been injured.

[Marsh.]

60% of Muslims not reporting doesn't make them the enemy. They're probably scared themselves.

[Cherie]

I filled out the online form on the Met website. Fairly simple. My father phoned their hotline though after a couple of them approached him and tried to get him to convert to to their extreme wahabi views. He found it a little annoying as they pretty much constantly ask "Are you in danger now? is it an urgent emergency now" so whenever he said "well no not now" he felt a little silly and had to keep stressing that they may pose a threat rather than they are exactly now. I think that may be the flaw in the system as I imagine they must get so many reports.

That's both shocking and unsurprising at the same time, Prevent is just a box ticking exercise it seems, roll out the videos, tell people to report possible radicalisation and then file it in the bin

[James]

Maybe the authorities should make the names on the watch-lists public so the public can keep an eye on them more?

Just an idea.

[jaxie]

Maybe the authorities should make the names on the watch-lists public so the public can keep an eye on them more?

Just an idea.

The problem then is witch hunts and innocent people being mistakenly harrassed. :shrug:

[user104658]

The problem then is witch hunts and innocent people being mistakenly harrassed. :shrug:

Harassed? I think they would probably be lynched.

[Cherie]

Maybe the authorities should make the names on the watch-lists public so the public can keep an eye on them more?

Just an idea.

Wouldn't that turn people into vigilantes, and what if they were being watched but were innocent

increase the number of police, not cut

[James]

Okay, was just thinking out loud.

What about cracking down on sites like Youtube hosting extremist propaganda. They said on the news that people that knew one of the attackers were saying he watched a radical preacher on Youtube, and some of the videos were still there.

[joeysteele]

Wouldn't that turn people into vigilantes, and what if they were being watched but were innocent

increase the number of police, not cut

This is also why language used should be sensitively applied to avoid vigilante like action.
Which in the end could increase tensions and have things far worse even.

Totally agree,really invest in security and get the numbers of Police back up again.

[Cherie]

Okay, was just thinking out loud.

What about cracking down on sites like Youtube hosting extremist propaganda. They said on the news that people that knew one of the attackers were saying he watched a radical preacher on Youtube, and some of the videos were still there.

it's crazy that stuff like that is freely available on YouTube

[DemolitionRed]

Police calling government liars on Sky

86n5ePCAq9o

[thesheriff443]

What a mess humans have made of life on this planet.

[arista]

https://d2kmm3vx031a1h.cloudfront.net/5sSE1ArtRu2cjtHlbeQW_mail.jpg

[James]

What a mess humans have made of life on this planet.

^ That's a bit nihilistic. The problem we have is a small percentage of people can cause a lot of damage, and some people are power-hungry or greedy and they can take control of others through force.

[arista]

https://d2kmm3vx031a1h.cloudfront.net/93Glr6VTT0iPjkZXC1dC_guardian.jpg

https://d2kmm3vx031a1h.cloudfront.net/k7V3w09lR4SNkVMklqXv_teleg.jpg

[arista]

https://d2kmm3vx031a1h.cloudfront.net/vDDdXjgeRlK2VpvgeerP_metro.jpg

[Withano]

https://d2kmm3vx031a1h.cloudfront.net/5sSE1ArtRu2cjtHlbeQW_mail.jpg

I dont think I've actually seen a real life newspaper in years (im not even exaggerating). Is this normal? It seems a bit graphic?

[Northern Monkey]

Harassed? I think they would probably be lynched.

I think you're right.They'd have to leave the country which wouldn't be so bad if they were guilty.However if it's just Doreen accross the road who saw them praying in the front window while she was curtain twitching and thought it looked dodgy then innocent people could end up in danger.

[Northern Monkey]

it's crazy that stuff like that is freely available on YouTube

It is crazy!They take your vids down for copyright violations if you use somebody elses music

[arista]

I dont think I've actually seen a real life newspaper in years (im not even exaggerating). Is this normal? It seems a bit graphic?



Only showing the dead three Terrorists
that were just on TV news worldwide

[arista]

https://d2kmm3vx031a1h.cloudfront.net/hJS8vzFVSIq1heqmZunX_i.jpg

[arista]

https://d2kmm3vx031a1h.cloudfront.net/JCYiT7A6ReGgRrb9mR0g_mirror.jpg

[James]

The problem then is witch hunts and innocent people being mistakenly harrassed. :shrug:

Harassed? I think they would probably be lynched.

Wouldn't that turn people into vigilantes, and what if they were being watched but were innocent

increase the number of police, not cut

This is also why language used should be sensitively applied to avoid vigilante like action.
Which in the end could increase tensions and have things far worse even.

Totally agree,really invest in security and get the numbers of Police back up again.

I think you're right.They'd have to leave the country which wouldn't be so bad if they were guilty.However if it's just Doreen accross the road who saw them praying in the front window while she was curtain twitching and thought it looked dodgy then innocent people could end up in danger.

Just wondering though... do you think it's just a bad idea that the authorities name the watch-list suspects, or should individuals who have concerns about certain people keep those concerns secret to the general public, and not go on social media etc. about it.

Cause people get suspected of other crimes, and as far as I know, it doesn't cause harrasement... or maybe it does, I don't know.

[Withano]

Only showing the dead three Terrorists
that were just on TV news worldwide

Is that normal though? Like thats not how I remember newspapers. I'm not against it, I'm just wondering

[longstar]

back in 2011, the police tried to cover up a big,big problem in a area in London called Tower Hamlets, why because they feared being called racists and Islamophobic, and Muslims there are trying to turn that place into a Islamic enclave, and many stories came out that school teachers where being threatened, and a gay bar was attacked near there, and also the big scandal in voter fraud, and there are other area's of London where this problem is getting bigger by the day, and radicalization is so rife in those places, that there is not a chance in hell, that the government would crack down on it, because they don't want to upset these communities, and after the 7/7 bombings, the government did nothing because of this reason, and it will be the same old thing again, being spineless, and its the same communities that protect these guys who did what they did in London and Manchester, and Muslims who do report it, there life is in big danger, in the face of these things, those communities think that they should have there own rules and laws, that's where the other big problems are starting to unfold.

[Mystic Mock]

I'm not really sure. It could be that we're very open to immigration in the way of taking in the Syrian refugees (most noted in the news) and refugees from anywhere, even crossing the US border, it could be that we're typically known as peace keepers rather than (I'm sorry for the phrase) war mongers. I truly don't know, but I am thankful that thus far, we've been left alone.

You have a point I think, the UK has never really welcomed Muslims and are trying to get their voices heard to the Government that there's a problem.

And yeah I hope that Canada can still keep the peace as it might be something that all of us could use as a baseline to learn.

[Ninastar]

It's crazy to me that merely a few months ago, there were quite a few forum members who were laughing at the fact that we were so worried about something happening here. I remember a few people making jokes about how OTT people were about the fact that something may happen here, and they were pretty condescending about it.

It's sad to see that all the worry over the attacks hitting home has become so true and has happened 3 times in the last month or so. I mean, I was sure something was going to happen, but 3 times in a few weeks?? It's insane, it really is.

And trying to figure something out that everyone will agree on is pretty much impossible. Although I suppose most people won't disagree on the fact that the people known to the police and who are on the watch list should be deported. But then I guess that opens a can of worms if they have young children etc...

It's all so complicated and heart breaking.

[DemolitionRed]

It's crazy to me that merely a few months ago, there were quite a few forum members who were laughing at the fact that we were so worried about something happening here. I remember a few people making jokes about how OTT people were about the fact that something may happen here, and they were pretty condescending about it.

It's sad to see that all the worry over the attacks hitting home has become so true and has happened 3 times in the last month or so. I mean, I was sure something was going to happen, but 3 times in a few weeks?? It's insane, it really is.

And trying to figure something out that everyone will agree on is pretty much impossible. Although I suppose most people won't disagree on the fact that the people known to the police and who are on the watch list should be deported. But then I guess that opens a can of worms if they have young children etc...

It's all so complicated and heart breaking.

I don't recall anyone suggesting nothing was going to happen here. I do remember people voicing against the fear hysteria. I was one of those voices and I still am.

I live smack bang in the heart of London. I live a mere 15 minute walk from London bridge. I cross London bridge on foot at least half a dozen times a week and I travel extensively throughout London every week and will continue to do so without fear. I will never withdraw. If someone is going to commit an atrocity I have no way of knowing and so I shall carry on exactly as though nothing has happened.

It saddens me that every time there is a terrorist alert we are told that certain things “must be given up”, we must lose a bit more of our freedom. Well I refuse to give up my freedom becaus the bottom line is, even where I live and where I travel, I have more chance of being killed by a household appliance than by a terrorist act.

[user104658]

I agree DR, as horrific and unimaginable as these attacks are, it's important to put the actual level of risk people are living with into perspective. Not least because the goal of terrorism is just that - to have people changing their daily lives, to have us living in fear, to make sure that we have to give up our freedoms.

More than 60 people are killed or seriously injured in road traffic accidents in the UK, every single day - 23,000 per year. We don't live in fear of using our cars, we don't even think about it. And as you say, an accident in the home during the most mundane of tasks is one of the biggest causes of premature death. The idea of being hurt or killed in a terrorist attack seems scarier because it's more vivid, more visceral, less abstract... Someone is doing it with intent, and that IS hard to process... And yet, the likelihood of being killed by a terrorist is still tiny. It's important to keep that perspective.

I feel that this is probably what you are remembering people saying, Ninastar, and it is still true. Not that anyone was saying nothing would ever happen in the UK... And I certainly very much doubt that anyone was laughing about it.

[Kizzy]

It's crazy to me that merely a few months ago, there were quite a few forum members who were laughing at the fact that we were so worried about something happening here. I remember a few people making jokes about how OTT people were about the fact that something may happen here, and they were pretty condescending about it.

It's sad to see that all the worry over the attacks hitting home has become so true and has happened 3 times in the last month or so. I mean, I was sure something was going to happen, but 3 times in a few weeks?? It's insane, it really is.

And trying to figure something out that everyone will agree on is pretty much impossible. Although I suppose most people won't disagree on the fact that the people known to the police and who are on the watch list should be deported. But then I guess that opens a can of worms if they have young children etc...

It's all so complicated and heart breaking.

As I remember it the feeling was that this whipping up into a frenzy was to facilitate further bombing campaigns, but ask yourself would you rather be calm and well resourced or terrified and underfunded?

That was the choice, it still is.

[Northern Monkey]

One attacker Pakistani and one Moroccan and an Irish ID found.According to the DP

[arista]

One attacker Pakistani and one Moroccan and an Irish ID found.According to the DP



Yes a stolen Irish ID
http://news.sky.com/story/london-terror-attacks-what-we-know-about-the-killers-so-far-10904706

[Brillopad]

Seven of the arrested suspects were women. Picture of one hiding behind her veil. We can undoubtedly expect a lot more of this. They must think we are all stupid allowing this. Makes me sick to the stomach.

[Niamh.]

Allowing it?

[Cherie]

I don't see how anyone can compare deaths from accidents with terrorist incidents, an accident is just that, someone going out to specifically kill you is completely different, and no matter how few and far between they are it's quite disrepectful to the people involved to even compare them, I think Nina is right there was that tone on here a few months back, I don't see anyone changing their habits 60,000 at a concert last night was evidence of that, and the tubes will have been packed today with people going about their business

One thing that did dismay me though I went into work today and a close Asian friend showed me a video she had been sent purporting that what happened was a false flag and the police were involved :unsure: if this is what is circulating around the Muslim community it is pretty worrying

[arista]

Waterloo, Lambeth and Westminster bridges,
now all have Large concrete barriers

http://e3.365dm.com/17/06/1096x616/e57f9ddfb0e39a5d12806f229bf1a936b05005f4c194afb41e e6cfd514f7e1b2_3970912.jpg?20170605112733

making it safer

http://news.sky.com/story/anti-terror-barriers-installed-on-three-key-london-bridges-10904977

[Lee.]

I don't see how anyone can compare deaths from accidents with terrorist incidents, an accident is just that, someone going out to specifically kill you is completely different, and no matter how few and far between they are it's quite disrepectful to the people involved to even compare them, I think Nina is right there was that tone on here a few months back, I don't see anyone changing their habits 60,000 at a concert last night was evidence of that, and the tubes will have been packed today with people going about their business

One thing that did dismay me though I went into work today and a close Asian friend showed me a video she had been sent purporting that what happened was a false flag and the police were involved :unsure: if this is what is circulating around the Muslim community it is pretty worrying
I've seen the video too and although I wouldn't put anything past our corrupt, criminal government, its absolute nonsense!
It's being shared widely in FB, not just amongst our Muslim communities.

[Niamh.]

I've seen the video too and although I wouldn't put anything past our corrupt, criminal government, its absolute nonsense!
It's being shared widely in FB, not just amongst our Muslim communities.

There are always going to be conspiracy theories out there

[jaxie]

I don't see how anyone can compare deaths from accidents with terrorist incidents, an accident is just that, someone going out to specifically kill you is completely different, and no matter how few and far between they are it's quite disrepectful to the people involved to even compare them, I think Nina is right there was that tone on here a few months back, I don't see anyone changing their habits 60,000 at a concert last night was evidence of that, and the tubes will have been packed today with people going about their business

One thing that did dismay me though I went into work today and a close Asian friend showed me a video she had been sent purporting that what happened was a false flag and the police were involved :unsure: if this is what is circulating around the Muslim community it is pretty worrying

It's been hinted on this forum too, that the government are to blame. And before the party political screeching begins, I would say the same thing whoever was in number ten. I find those views pretty offensive personally and anyone promoting them needs a long hard look at themselves and their grasp on reality. I think the police officer who went in to stop three knife wielding men with just a baton is an absolute hero. How dare anyone suggest our police would be involved. Eight minutes and it was over, in a country where the police do not carry guns as the norm, we should be incredibly proud of them.

If the video is going round the Muslim community specifically that would be a serious case of denial. We have to stop appeasing anything religion and look at the elephant in the room. There is a problem, a murderous ideology is being taught by some, whether it be in the home, the school, the mosque, someone is nurturing this and it must be addressed. We can't keep sweeping it under the carpet and saying it's not all Muslims. It's coming from somewhere and it is being taught to young British Muslims. It's too easy just to blame the internet. There is a lot more to this than just the internet. Don't mistake me I am not claiming there aren't many peaceful Muslims but that isn't an excuse to stop us looking at what is happening. And if anyone thinks this is hate speech. No, go away.

[jaxie]

Seven of the arrested suspects were women. Picture of one hiding behind her veil. We can undoubtedly expect a lot more of this. They must think we are all stupid allowing this. Makes me sick to the stomach.

If we are going to speak up for the oppression of women raised to hide themselves because men think their face and hair is immodest, we can't then turn around and accuse them of hiding behind it. I don't agree with the tone of what you're saying here Brillo.

[arista]

Two London Bridge Evil terrorist
attackers named as
Khuram Butt and Rachid Redouane
http://news.sky.com/story/two-london-bridge-attackers-named-as-khuram-butt-and-rachid-redouane-10905434

[Beso]

Two London Bridge Evil terrorist
attackers named as
Khuram Butt and Rachid Redouane
http://news.sky.com/story/two-london-bridge-attackers-named-as-khuram-butt-and-rachid-redouane-10905434

Britain first have been reporting them for years.

[Cherie]

Two London Bridge Evil terrorist
attackers named as
Khuram Butt and Rachid Redouane
http://news.sky.com/story/two-london-bridge-attackers-named-as-khuram-butt-and-rachid-redouane-10905434

Rachis Redoune lived in Ireland for a time and was married to a Scottish woman

[Lee.]

Two London Bridge Evil terrorist
attackers named as
Khuram Butt and Rachid Redouane
http://news.sky.com/story/two-london-bridge-attackers-named-as-khuram-butt-and-rachid-redouane-10905434

I really wish they wouldn't even bother releasing these monster's names.. concentrate on the victims, their families and the heroes, and deny the terrorists the glory they want.

[Cherie]

I really wish they wouldn't even bother releasing these monster's names.. concentrate on the victims, their families and the heroes, and deny the terrorists the glory they want.

I would agree ordinarily but given the conspiracy theories flying around its probably necessary now, incredible that he appeared on a C4 programme called the Jihadi next door :umm2:

[Anaesthesia]

I really wish they wouldn't even bother releasing these monster's names.. concentrate on the victims, their families and the heroes, and deny the terrorists the glory they want.

Tell you what Lee, I agree. After the Manchester bombings I refused to look at a single article that was about that sick ****. Let them have total anonymity.

[Anaesthesia]

he appeared on a C4 programme called the Jihadi next door :umm2:

Out there for all of us to see. Yet still we couldn't stop it. You have to wonder how seriously intelligence is being taken :(

[Lee.]

Tell you what Lee, I agree. After the Manchester bombings I refused to look at a single article that was about that sick ****. Let them have total anonymity.

Yeah, I watched a Sky News special programme called "Manchester Mourns" and the whole half hour was dedicated to those at the concert, what others had said about the victims and the people who had helped. Not one mention of the terrorists and I thought it was a lovely tribute.
They don't deserve news coverage.

[arista]

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good on you fella

[arista]

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[arista]

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that now Dead Terrorist
was on a ch4 docu

[arista]

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[arista]

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[smudgie]

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Brilliant.
Standing together against Terrorist scum.

[longstar]

my view on a future civil war in this country and in Europe is still on course, but many people are only seeing tiny bits of that now, and it will get worse over time, if the politicians keep to the PC line and not enforce things like mass-deportations, internment prisons, arming every single police officer, to passing a law to ban Saudi funded mosques and preachers, then the big consequences will end up with English communities making there own Paramilitaries groups, and with it, you get tit for tat killings, and that means more blood on the street, the destruction in N,Ireland will happen here but on a much bigger scale, and on different ideologies, you can say that having Belfast peace walls in some area's of this country will never happen, but we are already a divided nation in most things anyway, and there is already isolation in some large housing estates and street houses in parts of the country, and you can't fully blame mi5/6 because if there are 23.000 or more, that makes it impossible for them to track them all, and people don't understand why deportations and internment works, because it makes the mi5/6 job more easier to stop attacks and save lives, you can see that monitoring can not track the numbers we have in this country, the politicians now must make the tough calls, if they don't then we know whats going to happen.

[arista]

Reports are saying Total dead is now 8
as a french man was taken out of the River Thames
they think was Hit by the Van

[Cherie]

Reports are saying Total dead is now 8
as a french man was taken out of the River Thames
they think was Hit by the Van

Terrible especially as they were looking in the water as well, but in the darkness easily missed RIP poor guy just visiting London for the weekend.

[Beso]

I think there are at least 1 more missing..

Must admit that did confuse me that people were missing...sadly i now know why.:bawling:

[user104658]

my view on a future civil war in this country and in Europe is still on course, but many people are only seeing tiny bits of that now, and it will get worse over time, if the politicians keep to the PC line and not enforce things like mass-deportations, internment prisons, arming every single police officer, to passing a law to ban Saudi funded mosques and preachers, then the big consequences will end up with English communities making there own Paramilitaries groups, and with it, you get tit for tat killings, and that means more blood on the street, the destruction in N,Ireland will happen here but on a much bigger scale, and on different ideologies, you can say that having Belfast peace walls in some area's of this country will never happen, but we are already a divided nation in most things anyway, and there is already isolation in some large housing estates and street houses in parts of the country, and you can't fully blame mi5/6 because if there are 23.000 or more, that makes it impossible for them to track them all, and people don't understand why deportations and internment works, because it makes the mi5/6 job more easier to stop attacks and save lives, you can see that monitoring can not track the numbers we have in this country, the politicians now must make the tough calls, if they don't then we know whats going to happen.

:umm2:

[James]

Terrible especially as they were looking in the water as well, but in the darkness easily missed RIP poor guy just visiting London for the weekend.

I was thinking that it is particularly sad that people have come to this country, and our society hasn't been able to keep them safe.

[Brillopad]

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good on you fella

Brave man. We need more like him. Not all these simpering fools kowtowing to them out of fear - those that believe we should bend over backwards all the time to meet their demands in case they might attack us.

[jaxie]

I was thinking that it is particularly sad that people have come to this country, and our society hasn't been able to keep them safe.

Yes that is sad. I've always felt very safe in London and I hope others don't lose that feeling.

[Niamh.]

Brave man. We need more like him. Not all these simpering fools kowtowing to them out of fear - those that believe we should bend over backwards all the time to meet their demands in case they might attack us.

What demands are you talking about?

[Brillopad]

What demands are you talking about?

Being able to go and fight overseas in support of countries they were not born in against the country they were born in and then expecting to come back to that country as if nothing had happened immediately comes to mind. They call that treason don't they.

What have they done about that - very little it seems.

[Niamh.]

Being able to go and fight overseas in support of countries they were not born in against the country they were born in and then expecting to come back to that country as if nothing had happened immediately comes to mind. They call that treason don't they.

What have they done about that - very little it seems.

That isn't "meeting their demands" though, you can't not let a citizen of your own country back in but we're going round in circles with this one again

[Cherie]

Bridge terrorists tried to hire a 7.5-tonne lorry online on the morning of their attack, police have revealed.

But the payment by the gang's leader, Khuram Butt, failed to go through.

Instead, he hired a smaller van and loaded it with bags of gravel, probably to make it heavier so it could be a more effective battering ram.

The van was used to mow down the first victims, killing three of them, as it mounted the pavement on the busy bridge last Saturday night.

Inside the van used in the London Bridge attacks
Image:
The van was weighed down with gravel, police have revealed
The gang crashed the vehicle into railings and then ran through Borough Market, randomly stabbing more terrified victims at bars and restaurants, before armed officers arrived and shot them dead.

Soon after, police opened the van and discovered thirteen Molotov cocktails - firebombs made from wine bottles, filled with lighter fuel, perhaps intended for another wave of attacks.

One of the knives used in the London Bridge attacks
Image:
One of the knives used in the London Bridge attacks
Each terrorist carried a 12-inch, pink ceramic kitchen knife with a razor-sharp blade and used them to kill five people in the market.

Butt, 27, had wrapped the handle of his weapon with duct tape and tied it to his wrist with a leather strap.

Identical knives, with the brand name Ernesto, were carried by Rachid Redouane, 30, and 22-year-old Youssef Zaghba.

Thirteen Molotov cocktails were found in the van
Image:
Thirteen Molotov cocktails were found in the van
Commander Dean Haydon, head of Scotland Yard's Counter Terrorism Command, said: "We've been working round the clock to understand what these men did in the lead up to the attack, but we need to know more about these unusual knives.

"Where have they come from? Where might the attackers have bought them? If you know anything about these particular types of knives, please let us know. It could prove a crucial lead in our investigation."

Police have discovered the gang used a bedsit, above a bookie's in Barking, east London, as a safe house, rented by Redouane in April.

There they found evidence that linked it to the attack and an English-language copy of the Koran, open at a page describing martyrdom, said Commander Haydon.

Khuram Butt has been named as one of the three men who carried out the terror attack on London Bridge and Borough
Image:
Khuram Butt tried to hire a bigger vehicle but his payment did not go through
Among the evidence were plastic water bottles, like those used to create the fake suicide belts each of the terrorists was wearing during the attack.

The new details come as police made two further arrests in connection with the attack, bringing the number to seven.

A 28-year-old man was arrested at around 2am on Saturday in Barking, east London, on suspicion of preparing acts of terrorism.

Earlier on Saturday, a 27-year-old man was arrested during a raid in Ilford, east London. He was also held on suspicion of preparing terrorist acts.

Floral tributes lay in Potters Fields Park following the June 3rd terror attack on June 6, 2017 in London, England. Seven people were killed and at least 48 injured in terror attacks on London Bridge and Borough Market on June 3rd. Three attackers were shot dead by armed police. (Photo by Jack Taylor/Getty Images)
Image:
Eight people were killed in the attack
Police say they have interviewed 262 witnesses, from 19 countries.

They believe there are more who haven't come forward and they are urging them to do so.

They are also warning the public of other similar attacks and want to hear from anyone suspicious of behaviour around the use of hire vehicles, fuel, knives and mobile phones.

Met Police commissioner Cressida Dick said she needed Londoners to be "really alert".

She said: "We know that the attackers hired a vehicle that very day.

"So we need, for example, people who are hiring vans and lorries out to just think about who these people are and if you have any concerns at all to contact us on the anti-terrorist hotline."

Ms Dick added that the force will "step up a gear and do our level best to stop any further attacks".

Posted in: LONDON BRIDGE ATTACK

[smudgie]

Bridge terrorists tried to hire a 7.5-tonne lorry online on the morning of their attack, police have revealed.

But the payment by the gang's leader, Khuram Butt, failed to go through.

Instead, he hired a smaller van and loaded it with bags of gravel, probably to make it heavier so it could be a more effective battering ram.

The van was used to mow down the first victims, killing three of them, as it mounted the pavement on the busy bridge last Saturday night.

Inside the van used in the London Bridge attacks
Image:
The van was weighed down with gravel, police have revealed
The gang crashed the vehicle into railings and then ran through Borough Market, randomly stabbing more terrified victims at bars and restaurants, before armed officers arrived and shot them dead.

Soon after, police opened the van and discovered thirteen Molotov cocktails - firebombs made from wine bottles, filled with lighter fuel, perhaps intended for another wave of attacks.

One of the knives used in the London Bridge attacks
Image:
One of the knives used in the London Bridge attacks
Each terrorist carried a 12-inch, pink ceramic kitchen knife with a razor-sharp blade and used them to kill five people in the market.

Butt, 27, had wrapped the handle of his weapon with duct tape and tied it to his wrist with a leather strap.

Identical knives, with the brand name Ernesto, were carried by Rachid Redouane, 30, and 22-year-old Youssef Zaghba.

Thirteen Molotov cocktails were found in the van
Image:
Thirteen Molotov cocktails were found in the van
Commander Dean Haydon, head of Scotland Yard's Counter Terrorism Command, said: "We've been working round the clock to understand what these men did in the lead up to the attack, but we need to know more about these unusual knives.

"Where have they come from? Where might the attackers have bought them? If you know anything about these particular types of knives, please let us know. It could prove a crucial lead in our investigation."

Police have discovered the gang used a bedsit, above a bookie's in Barking, east London, as a safe house, rented by Redouane in April.

There they found evidence that linked it to the attack and an English-language copy of the Koran, open at a page describing martyrdom, said Commander Haydon.

Khuram Butt has been named as one of the three men who carried out the terror attack on London Bridge and Borough
Image:
Khuram Butt tried to hire a bigger vehicle but his payment did not go through
Among the evidence were plastic water bottles, like those used to create the fake suicide belts each of the terrorists was wearing during the attack.

The new details come as police made two further arrests in connection with the attack, bringing the number to seven.

A 28-year-old man was arrested at around 2am on Saturday in Barking, east London, on suspicion of preparing acts of terrorism.

Earlier on Saturday, a 27-year-old man was arrested during a raid in Ilford, east London. He was also held on suspicion of preparing terrorist acts.

Floral tributes lay in Potters Fields Park following the June 3rd terror attack on June 6, 2017 in London, England. Seven people were killed and at least 48 injured in terror attacks on London Bridge and Borough Market on June 3rd. Three attackers were shot dead by armed police. (Photo by Jack Taylor/Getty Images)
Image:
Eight people were killed in the attack
Police say they have interviewed 262 witnesses, from 19 countries.

They believe there are more who haven't come forward and they are urging them to do so.

They are also warning the public of other similar attacks and want to hear from anyone suspicious of behaviour around the use of hire vehicles, fuel, knives and mobile phones.

Met Police commissioner Cressida Dick said she needed Londoners to be "really alert".

She said: "We know that the attackers hired a vehicle that very day.

"So we need, for example, people who are hiring vans and lorries out to just think about who these people are and if you have any concerns at all to contact us on the anti-terrorist hotline."

Ms Dick added that the force will "step up a gear and do our level best to stop any further attacks".

Posted in: LONDON BRIDGE ATTACK

Just imagine the extra carnage had he had enough on his card to hire a truck.

[Vicky.]

Yeah I heard this earlier about the lorry, absolutely terrifying :(

I don't think this will help matters though?

"So we need, for example, people who are hiring vans and lorries out to just think about who these people are and if you have any concerns at all to contact us on the anti-terrorist hotline."

All thats going to happen there is everytime a Muslim tries to rent a vehicle, they will get reported.

[Brillopad]

Just imagine the extra carnage had he had enough on his card to hire a truck.

What a half-wit - trying to rent a van to commit an act or terrorism without enough money on his card to pay for it. You couldn't make it up.

[Cherie]

They obviously weren't expecting to be shot so quickly given they had petrol bombs to use, well done to the police :clap2:

[Brillopad]

They obviously weren't expecting to be shot so quickly given they had petrol bombs to use, well done to the police :clap2:

Yes - they are our strength. Professional to the core.

[arista]

The Market re-opens on Wednesday

[Beso]

They obviously weren't expecting to be shot so quickly given they had petrol bombs to use, well done to the police :clap2:

I have a fèeling there was supposed to be a lot of other people in the back.

[y.winter]

Just had the courage to read about it now as it was too recent for me to deal with the full story and the identity of the victims.
Seeing the face of that lovely Canadian woman who lost her life right in front of my eyes, remembering her fiance helplessly shouting and crying while the medics tried to assist her. It's just heart breaking. I wish I could have said something or comfort him or help him in some way but it was all just so confusing and terrifying that time... I will never forget these sights and screams. Terrible night.

RIP dear Christine Archibald

[Ninastar]

Just had the courage to read about it now as it was too recent for me to deal with the full story and the identity of the victims.
Seeing the face of that lovely Canadian woman who lost her life right in front of my eyes, remembering her fiance helplessly shouting and crying while the medics tried to assist her. It's just heart breaking. I wish I could have said something or comfort him or help him in some way but it was all just so confusing and terrifying that time... I will never forget these sights and screams. Terrible night.

RIP dear Christine Archibald



Aww nooo, you were these during all of this? I'm sorry you had to see this happen, how awful :hug:

[y.winter]

Aww nooo, you were these during all of this? I'm sorry you had to see this happen, how awful :hug:
Yes, right in the middle of my holiday in England, on the southern edge of the bridge. I was lucky enough to experience mostly the aftermath.

[Marsh.]

Omg that's horrific winter.

[JTM45]

Yes - they are our strength. Professional to the core.

The same cannot unfortunately be said about those planning to make further cuts to their numbers. Hopefully losing their majority will put a stop to this madness!

[bots]

Just had the courage to read about it now as it was too recent for me to deal with the full story and the identity of the victims.
Seeing the face of that lovely Canadian woman who lost her life right in front of my eyes, remembering her fiance helplessly shouting and crying while the medics tried to assist her. It's just heart breaking. I wish I could have said something or comfort him or help him in some way but it was all just so confusing and terrifying that time... I will never forget these sights and screams. Terrible night.

RIP dear Christine Archibald

what a traumatic thing to witness

[Jamie89]

Just had the courage to read about it now as it was too recent for me to deal with the full story and the identity of the victims.
Seeing the face of that lovely Canadian woman who lost her life right in front of my eyes, remembering her fiance helplessly shouting and crying while the medics tried to assist her. It's just heart breaking. I wish I could have said something or comfort him or help him in some way but it was all just so confusing and terrifying that time... I will never forget these sights and screams. Terrible night.

RIP dear Christine Archibald
:sad: :hug:

[arista]

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[user104658]

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:joker: :joker: :joker:

Has the world become a Monty Python sketch?

[JTM45]

Just when you thought the Mirror couldn't come across any worse!

What next ? Buses on the Moon.

Even if we were to suspend all rational thought and treat this with anything less than the contempt it deserves................. wouldn't them sticking it on their front page be seen as giving any possible future 'terrorists' the heads-up ?