people being way too harsh on may

[the truth]

She has 44% of the public vote which is the highest since 1983
she has a 57 seat majority over labour and only 8 seats short of an overall majority. The DUP just add the essential 8 , they are right wing so its not the coalition of chaos the likes of bitter ex chancellor george osbourne claims in his poisonous paper.

All this in the middle of the absolute chaos of brexit after everyone else quit from gove to cameron to boris etc ONLY may took on the phenomenal task of facing brexit...she pushed through article 50. another mighty challenge. our media is so hyper criticial yet the task shes had has needed someone almost super human to deal with...imagine dealing with brexit? going through 10000s of laws over 50 odd years entangling 30 nations and over 500 million people? and a party that is killing itself with a civil war over europe

Is it any wonder the electorate is volatile?

At the end of the day she asked for an election as she needed to be voted in legitimately, she hasnt got a clear majority but she has won and she is rightly the prime minister. The economy is doing well since she has taken over too, the markets are booming, growth has exceeded expectations, unemployed has fallen...I suggest give her a bit of respect now and allow her time to try and go into battle with those EU bigwigs. Its time we unite and do battle for britain

[Vicky.]

She should have walked it though. She threw this away.

The arrogance of calling a vote when she was leading massively in the polls (after saying she wouldnt too...) when an election wasn't needed...at a time where even SHE says Brexit negotiations should have been concentrated on.

[smudgie]

She took the chance, it backfired. She has to accept some criticism.
Considering she offered nothing and even upset some pensioners,she has done well to be able to still form a government against someone who offered the moon on a stick.

[the truth]

She should have walked it though. She threw this away.

The arrogance of calling a vote when she was leading massively in the polls (after saying she wouldnt too...) when an election wasn't needed...at a time where even SHE says Brexit negotiations should have been concentrated on.

Nah youre just repeating parrot fashion some sensationalised headlines....She called it to have her own mandate to deal with the nightmare of brexit... Brown got in the back door, like may, he ducked a general election and it cost him. may showed bottle , shes now prime minster through the front door... I think the election will be good for democracy. But she needs to carry on now and do a job as the legitimately elected prime minister

[the truth]

She took the chance, it backfired. She has to accept some criticism.
Considering she offered nothing and even upset some pensioners,she has done well to be able to still form a government against someone who offered the moon on a stick.

At least she was honest and didnt promise money she couldnt afford from the corbyns magical money tree

[Vicky.]

Nah youre just repeating parrot fashion some sensationalised headlines....She called it to have her own mandate to deal with the nightmare of brexit... Brown got in the back door, like may, he ducked a general election and it cost him. may showed bottle , shes now prime minster through the front door... I think the election will be good for democracy. But she needs to carry on now and do a job as the legitimately elected prime minister

...no.

[the truth]

...no.
yes

[Niamh.]

maybe?

[Smithy]

:laugh3: piss off! have you seen the amount **** Corbin has had to put up with this entire campaign

[Vicky.]

Nope. I know better than any how the headlines talk ****.

May takes a little crap for her awful decision and terrible campaign and all of a sudden its toys out of pram.

[Vicky.]

:laugh3: piss off! have you seen the amount **** Corbin has had to put up with this entire campaign

Or this^

May has just got into bed with a party that is anti womans rights, and anti gay rights...for a 3 seat majority ffs. She deserves some stick here

[Niamh.]

Or this^

May has just got into bed with a party that is anti womans rights, and anti gay rights...for a 3 seat majority ffs. She deserves some stick here

Oh God, now look what you've done......... :hehe:

[Smithy]

Oh God, now look what you've done......... :hehe:

Gays and women have too many rights anyway they are taking away the rights of the STRAIGHT MALE, this is a GOOD THING

[bots]

maybe?

strong and .... :laugh:


She has 44% of the public vote which is the highest since 1983
she has a 57 seat majority over labour and only 8 seats short of an overall majority. The DUP just add the essential 8 , they are right wing so its not the coalition of chaos the likes of bitter ex chancellor george osbourne claims in his poisonous paper.

All this in the middle of the absolute chaos of brexit after everyone else quit from gove to cameron to boris etc ONLY may took on the phenomenal task of facing brexit...she pushed through article 50. another mighty challenge. our media is so hyper criticial yet the task shes had has needed someone almost super human to deal with...imagine dealing with brexit? going through 10000s of laws over 50 odd years entangling 30 nations and over 500 million people? and a party that is killing itself with a civil war over europe

Is it any wonder the electorate is volatile?

At the end of the day she asked for an election as she needed to be voted in legitimately, she hasnt got a clear majority but she has won and she is rightly the prime minister. The economy is doing well since she has taken over too, the markets are booming, growth has exceeded expectations, unemployed has fallen...I suggest give her a bit of respect now and allow her time to try and go into battle with those EU bigwigs. Its time we unite and do battle for britain



I don't think we are being too hard on her. She was a remainer that then started preaching an uncompromising, undebatable brexit. She has such a small circle that she trusts that she didn't have consensus from her cabinet or mp's on her campaign and manifesto. So when she ran into trouble, she had no-one to turn to, to give her support and assistance. She has to take 100% of the responsibility

[Tom4784]

:laugh3: piss off! have you seen the amount **** Corbin has had to put up with this entire campaign

This, she's had it easy this election.

Barely any of the media has pulled her up on her vagueness, her refusal to answer certain questions and the fact that she never actually says anything. They've given her an easy ride regarding her u-turns and they've largely ignored the fact that she is basically Trump's bitch and her problematic selling of weapons to the middle east (But hey, let's call Corbyn a traitor for untrue and tenuous stories!).

The media is a joke and she deserves no sympathy because this is a mess of her own making.

[Niamh.]

Gays and women have too many rights anyway they are taking away the rights of the STRAIGHT MALE, this is a GOOD THING

It's true

[Brillopad]

:laugh3: piss off! have you seen the amount **** Corbin has had to put up with this entire campaign

And there were no reasons for that of course. If you are in politics watch who you associate with. Not rocket science.

[user104658]

Nah youre just repeating parrot fashion some sensationalised headlines....She called it to have her own mandate to deal with the nightmare of brexit... Brown got in the back door, like may, he ducked a general election and it cost him. may showed bottle , shes now prime minster through the front door... I think the election will be good for democracy. But she needs to carry on now and do a job as the legitimately elected prime minister

She specifically called it to increase the conservative Westminster majority as a madate for hard Brexit. That was the entire plan and it backfired spectacularly - not only did she fail to achieve a large majority, she LOST the small majority that she already had :facepalm:. You can't rewrite history now and claim it was called "so that she would be the legitimately elected PM"... that's not why it was called.

Especially when there's a not-too-small chance she will now be REPLACED as PM.

[user104658]

And there were no reasons for that of course. If you are in politics watch who you associate with. Not rocket science.

... ... I'm sure you can appreciate the irony in that when the Tories are getting into bed with the DUP.

[Oliver_W]

Getting anything less than a majority against Jeremy bloody Corbyn deserves a fair bit of criticism.

[Withano]

Her historic landslide majority wasnt even a win technically, tories have the right to be naffed. I think Labour voters kinda like her, she pretty much gave us ten or so seats with her terrible campaign.

[Vanessa]

She's someone I really can't stand. Reminds me of Carol, who was always moaning :omgno: The only one I dislike more is that bigheaded twat Tom. Quite like Imran, but he's dull.

[Kazanne]

She should have walked it though. She threw this away.

The arrogance of calling a vote when she was leading massively in the polls (after saying she wouldnt too...) when an election wasn't needed...at a time where even SHE says Brexit negotiations should have been concentrated on.

She should have walked it and I just think her manifesto was political suicide,there was nothing that appealed to a lot of voters,I do think the media are being overly harsh,she took a gamble and it failed, I was going to vote for her in the end i didn't vote because of the foxhunting issue, and I wasn't too keen on some of Corbyns proposals,so opted out, but him calling for her to resign annoyed me a bit as he was told by his own party to resign several times,he didn't he plodded on,so why shouldn't TM try and make the best of this.She won more votes than Blair did in a landslide majority

[user104658]

The thing is... she's incompetent and under-qualified and would never have had the job if Cameron hadn't bailed. It's that simple, really. She's a bad public speaker, she can't think on her feet, and she isn't in any way likable or relatable on a personal level.

I mean... even Cameron you could see yourself having dinner or a drink with, it would be annoying and he'd say a load of annoying Tory ****, but I lived with a hardcore Tory boy at Uni for two years who did that and you could still have a game of pool and a pint with him. Well, he drank gin, but you get the gist. He was OK-ish so long as you avoided politics, y'know? You could make fun of him for his plummy private-school-glasgow accent and stuff.

MAY though... May and her fields of wheat... she's just awkward and unlikable. There's no two ways about that. You wouldn't be able to have a conversation with her, she doesn't have personal opinions, she just goes with whatever she thinks (sometimes misguidedly, it turns out) people want to hear.

[Stu]

The DUP are an extremist party endorsed by active paramilitary groups that commit terrorist acts. After the events in Manchester and London, is it appropriate for them to be in coalition with the Conservatives?

What a grand marriage of septic minds.

[Vicky.]

I do feel quite sorry for May. Cameron should have stuck around to sort out his own mess.

[user104658]

The DUP are an extremist party endorsed by active paramilitary groups that commit terrorist acts. After the events in Manchester and London, is it appropriate for them to be in coalition with the Conservatives?

What a grand marriage of septic minds.

This is not how it will be played in the press at all though; sad fact is, most people in the UK have no idea who / what the DUP is and will only be finding out about them from current media. They will be portrayed as level headed "strong and stable" supporters of the Union and Brexit.

The fact that they don't give a **** about anything at all other than keeping N.I. vassal-ed to the UK and have had an extremely dodgy history in Irish politics will be thoroughly whitewashed.

[Brother Leon]

She spent her whole campaign attacking Corbyn as a person. She deserves everything she has coming.

[user104658]

I do feel quite sorry for May. Cameron should have stuck around to sort out his own mess.

That much is true, Cameron's legacy is one of a man high-tailing it to the hills in horror. Understandable, though, he didn't want nor support Brexit, heading it up wasn't feasible. Then again neither did May until it suited her career :joker:. But Cameron at least didn't try to pretend. It just SHOWS in May... she isn't convincing because SHE doesn't believe a word of what she's saying.

[Vicky.]

This is not how it will be played in the press at all though; sad fact is, most people in the UK have no idea who / what the DUP is and will only be finding out about them from current media. They will be portrayed as level headed "strong and stable" supporters of the Union and Brexit.

The fact that they don't give a **** about anything at all other than keeping N.I. vassal-ed to the UK and have had an extremely dodgy history in Irish politics will be thoroughly whitewashed.

I knew **** all about them until a few hours ago, and even the bit I know now is terrifying.

[Niamh.]

I knew **** all about them until a few hours ago, and even the bit I know now is terrifying.

It's odd how you all knew exactly who Sinn Féin were but not the DUP.........well not that odd really......

[Tarryn]

She spent her whole campaign attacking Corbyn as a person. She deserves everything she has coming.

She slagged off Corbyn for "getting into bed with terrorists" yet has just booked the Honeymoon suite with them herself.
The DUP are a nasty party full of hate.....a perfect match for the Tories.

[Northern Monkey]

She was tactically terrible.
The Labour party were a shambles.She intended to and should have wiped them out.But she changed tack part way and got over confident and tried to push a load crap through to help out her pals.
And in the process seems to be uniting Labour,A few anti Corbiners have been getting behind him in interviews and making them stronger.
She played this all wrong.
The 44% is just a result of the smaller parties fading away.
It was on a plate for her and she fecked it.

[Vicky.]

It's odd how you all knew exactly who Sinn Féin were but not the DUP.........well not that odd really......

I didn't know who Sinn Fein were either. Until that photo of Corbyn came about and it was claimed they were all IRA members and that.

Our press are a disgrace tbh

Near everything they say I have to check these days

[Wizard.]

Yes I told her to eat sh*t perhaps that was a bit harsh

[the truth]

love to see you lot try and run the country, dela with brexit, article 50, a general election, 3 massive terrorist attacks etc in less than a year?
youre spectacularly overly judgemental

[Kazanne]

love to see you lot try and run the country, dela with brexit, article 50, a general election, 3 massive terrorist attacks etc in less than a year?
youre spectacularly overly judgemental

I would hate the job,must be so hard and stressfull,but strangely people do seem to think it's easy :laugh: but it's easy to sit back and criticize ,what a thankless job it is,I admire anyone who can do it.

[Northern Monkey]

love to see you lot try and run the country, dela with brexit, article 50, a general election, 3 massive terrorist attacks etc in less than a year?
youre spectacularly overly judgemental

Meh i'd do it on mi tea break :idc:

[Cherie]

She's someone I really can't stand. Reminds me of Carol, who was always moaning :omgno: The only one I dislike more is that bigheaded twat Tom. Quite like Imran, but he's dull.

:joker: post of the thread

[Alf]

:laugh:

[Cherie]

love to see you lot try and run the country, dela with brexit, article 50, a general election, 3 massive terrorist attacks etc in less than a year?
youre spectacularly overly judgemental

Not being funny but she has a Brexit minister David Davis and many minions doing all the leg work she isn't poring over the finer details by candlelight at midnight. She chaired a cobra meeting and gave a five minute speech after each attack, and she called the election so close to starting negotiations she has handed Brussels the upper hand

[the truth]

Not being funny but she has a Brexit minister David Davis and many minions doing all the leg work she isn't poring over the finer details by candlelight at midnight. She chaired a cobra meeting and gave a five minute speech after each attack, and she called the election so close to starting negotiations she has handed Brussels the upper hand

yea Im sure its a walk in the park :whistle:

[DemolitionRed]

Oh God, now look what you've done......... :hehe:

PMSL!!

[Scarlett.]

She's left her party significantly weaker, and in an impossible situation, its all her doing, she never too on board anyone one else's opinions.

[DemolitionRed]

She specifically called it to increase the conservative Westminster majority as a madate for hard Brexit. That was the entire plan and it backfired spectacularly - not only did she fail to achieve a large majority, she LOST the small majority that she already had :facepalm:. You can't rewrite history now and claim it was called "so that she would be the legitimately elected PM"... that's not why it was called.

Especially when there's a not-too-small chance she will now be REPLACED as PM.

^This and she did it with such arrogance. This is what happens when one starts believing in their own hype. Her ego had her believing that she really was ruling over a one party state. At one point I really did wonder if she was trying to lose this election but nah; she just let the power go to her head and it cost her dearly.

I'm glad she's been dropped back down to earth. It must of been a hell of a bump.

[joeysteele]

Not being hard enough on her I'd say.
Her judgement is totally hopeless, on just about everything.

[joeysteele]

I would hate the job,must be so hard and stressfull,but strangely people do seem to think it's easy :laugh: but it's easy to sit back and criticize ,what a thankless job it is,I admire anyone who can do it.

I used to think like you as to the job but then over time events have proven to me anyway different.
It shouldn't be an easy job in any way and those who seek to be able to do it, once they have it hang on like crazy to stay in it.

No way wanting to give it up.
As for admiring anyone who does get it,it's their choice,however here I part company a little with you Kazanne a little.
Since they voluntarily seek the job,then if they get it, I then only either admire them or not,as to what they actually do 'in the job'.
What they do with the power the job gives them.

I more admire Doctors, who also choose their jobs but times come when they cannot save a life ir have to persuade others to let someone die.
Dealing with intense grief on a near daily scale.

PMs always have the chance to change how they do something in their dealings and also like a Doctor,can if the job is too stressful to them,freely give it up.
Usually however,it's humiliation or being pushed out that brings being a Prime Minister to the end.

[Brillopad]

She has 44% of the public vote which is the highest since 1983
she has a 57 seat majority over labour and only 8 seats short of an overall majority. The DUP just add the essential 8 , they are right wing so its not the coalition of chaos the likes of bitter ex chancellor george osbourne claims in his poisonous paper.

All this in the middle of the absolute chaos of brexit after everyone else quit from gove to cameron to boris etc ONLY may took on the phenomenal task of facing brexit...she pushed through article 50. another mighty challenge. our media is so hyper criticial yet the task shes had has needed someone almost super human to deal with...imagine dealing with brexit? going through 10000s of laws over 50 odd years entangling 30 nations and over 500 million people? and a party that is killing itself with a civil war over



Is it any wonder the electorate is volatile?

At the end of the day she asked for an election as she needed to be voted in legitimately, she hasnt got a clear majority but she has won and she is rightly the prime minister. The economy is doing well since she has taken over too, the markets are booming, growth has exceeded expectations, unemployed has fallen...I suggest give her a bit of respect now and allow her time to try and go into battle with those EU bigwigs. Its time we unite and do battle for britain

Agreed. Trouble is party loyalties get in the way and all many can focus on is what they believe a party represents. The Tories are seen by many as a party for the rich and the oldies, whilst Labour are seen as a Robin Hood who will take from the rich to give to the poor and for the young. It is far from being that simple.

As you say at the end of the day she won and people should focus on getting it right, especially Brexit. Political parties and politicians can be changed in four years but There will be no second chances with Brexit - we absolutely have to get it right and we need to focus on that now.

[bots]

Forgetting all the politics that surround the election for the moment and peoples personal likes and dislikes with regard to political parties.

There is no-one that would say that May had a good campaign. She had a confused message and she failed to articulate it clearly. This wasn't a Conservative party campaign, it was a Theresa May campaign and therefore she has to take responsibility for it.

We can argue about when the right time is for her to step down as the leader of the party, but she will step down as a result of this, that is not in any doubt

All that being said, with the worst campaign ever witnessed by a major political party on UK soil, the opposition still managed to lose the election and that fact doesn't change no matter how people care to dress it up.

[Kazanne]

Forgetting all the politics that surround the election for the moment and peoples personal likes and dislikes with regard to political parties.

There is no-one that would say that May had a good campaign. She had a confused message and she failed to articulate it clearly. This wasn't a Conservative party campaign, it was a Theresa May campaign and therefore she has to take responsibility for it.

We can argue about when the right time is for her to step down as the leader of the party, but she will step down as a result of this, that is not in any doubt

All that being said, with the worst campaign ever witnessed by a major political party on UK soil, the opposition still managed to lose the election and that fact doesn't change no matter how people care to dress it up.

Totally agree bots,I firmly believe had she had a good manifesto and attended the question times she would have wiped the floor with Corbyn,his supporters should be thanking her as she has boosted his standing.The first gaff she made was the fox hunting issue.silly woman.

[user104658]

The thing is, by pointing out that she could and should have done better, all you're really saying is "If Theresa May was a more competent politician she would have done better!". And... Well... Yes, obviously. That's sort of a moot point isn't it? The point t is that she didn't do well, because she isn't a very competent politician. She's a bad public speaker and she has surely now outright proven that she repeatedly gets situations completely wrong, misreads the public, and makes bad decisions.

I agree with Brillo believe it or not. At this point, whether you wanted Brexit or not, it is happening and it's something that we have to get "as right as possible" first time or we are in even deeper ****. Theresa May is simply the wrong person for the job... She CAN NOT get it done well, she isn't a good enough speaker or negotiator, she isn't personable, and she doesn't really know what she's doing. Neither does a showboat like Johnson. The Conservatives at this point need to put their money where their mouth is, put Brexit first, and put a competent, reasonable, convincing maybe even dare I say it "a bit boring" economic-minded person in charge until Brexit negotiations are well underway.

[joeysteele]

Totally agree bots,I firmly believe had she had a good manifesto and attended the question times she would have wiped the floor with Corbyn,his supporters should be thanking her as she has boosted his standing.The first gaff she made was the fox hunting issue.silly woman.

I will never respect or thank Theresa May for anything she has done in politics full stop never mind since becoming PM.
Not a single thing.

[Jack_]

attended the question times she would have wiped the floor with Corbyn

The reason her team wanted her to avoid the debates is precisely because she had everything to lose, since Corbyn would've wiped the floor with her. Suggesting otherwise is pure fantasy I'm afraid.

She is an embarrassment to her party, she is an embarrassment to this country, she is an embarrassment to herself, and she needs to **** off back to whatever field of wheat she came from.