72 per cent turn out in the 18-24 bracket

[Cherie]

Early reports have suggested that as many as 72% of young people voted in this general election.
The snap election called by Theresa May in April is said to have sparked a monumental turnout among voters aged 18 to 24, resulting in an unprecedented (apart from by YouGov) hung parliament.
However the 72% figure is just an estimate, initially reported by the head of the NUS. Ipsos Mori pollsters have since said that detailed stats on turnout won’t be available for around a week or so.
While the Tories had expected a landslide victory, they’re currently on just 314 seats – 12 seats short of the 326 needed to have an overall majority.


Read more: http://metro.co.uk/2017/06/09/youth-out-in-full-force-as-72-of-young-people-vote-in-general-election-6696890/#ixzz4jWhkTzgy



So the conservative oldies don't have all the power as was suggested on here for weeks :hehe::hehe:

[Crimson Dynamo]

at last, we have a scapegoat for this clusterfck

[arista]

yes the Young
got out of bed

[Headie]

Wow us youthful souls did that :clap1:

[reece(:]

And Jezza's percentage went up :clap1:

[Kazanne]

at last, we have a scapegoat for this clusterfck

:cheer2::cheer2::cheer2::wavey:

[Cherie]

:cheer2::cheer2::cheer2::wavey:

:laugh: you happy Kaz

[Scarlett.]

at last, we have a scapegoat for this clusterfck

Will of the British public. :hee:

[Kazanne]

:laugh: you happy Kaz

Delighted Cherie,and nothing to do with the election,:dance::cheer2:

[Cherie]

yes the Young
got out of bed

About time :hee:

[Kazanne]

I think it's great so many youngsters turned out to vote,but as somebody said on the news,they have not seen the Labour party run us into the ground yet,but fingers crossed they don't do that again.

[Alf]

Do you'll think they'll be regular viewers of Prime ministers questions from now on?

[Brother Leon]

In Corbyn We Trust.

[Greg!]

Incredible :clap1:

[Withano]

Still outnumbered by the ageing population. Luckily this time a lot of old people voted with the young instead of against them.

[Alf]

In Corbyn We Trust.To do what, lose elections to a Blairite Tory?

[Scarlett.]

To do what, lose elections to a Blairite Tory?

Don't kid yourself, Labour made massive gains this election, the Tories will be over after this term, they're being exposed as weak, they're having to work with the DUP, and most likely we're going to get a third PM in 7 years out of them soon, they're an absolute mess.

[King Gizzard]

Young people waking up and realising they will have to pick up the pieces from a hard Brexit in which the economy will take 40 years to recover from, after many selfish leave voters have passed on to the next life but it's okay because we might get blue passports back, amazing

[Braden]

http://25.media.tumblr.com/cc2276d8440e394ea4fc0e246d7d11a4/tumblr_n2x8dojQJB1toe2sho3_250.gif

[smudgie]

at last, we have a scapegoat for this clusterfck

:cheer2::cheer2::cheer2::wavey:

Well hello there stranger.:cheer2:
Great to see you back.:love:

[James]

Early reports have suggested that as many as 72% of young people voted in this general election.
The snap election called by Theresa May in April is said to have sparked a monumental turnout among voters aged 18 to 24, resulting in an unprecedented (apart from by YouGov) hung parliament.
However the 72% figure is just an estimate, initially reported by the head of the NUS. Ipsos Mori pollsters have since said that detailed stats on turnout won’t be available for around a week or so.
While the Tories had expected a landslide victory, they’re currently on just 314 seats – 12 seats short of the 326 needed to have an overall majority.


Read more: http://metro.co.uk/2017/06/09/youth-out-in-full-force-as-72-of-young-people-vote-in-general-election-6696890/#ixzz4jWhkTzgy



So the conservative oldies don't have all the power as was suggested on here for weeks :hehe::hehe:

I posted this earlier - http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/election-2017-40220032


A figure of 72% turnout for 18 to 24-year-olds has been doing the rounds, including in a tweet from Labour MP David Lammy, but there has been much doubt about its origin.

BBC Trending has spoken to Alex Cairns, who seems to have been the first person to tweet this. It was later tweeted by the president of the National Union of Students.

Mr Cairns stressed that the figure was "an indication" and was based on conversations with student union presidents and his own research, but did not show us his calculations.

A 72% turnout for that age group would be remarkable given that Ipsos Mori estimated that only 43% of that age group voted in 2010 and 44% in 2015, but as yet we have no evidence that happened.

[Cherie]

Still outnumbered by the ageing population. Luckily this time a lot of old people voted with the young instead of against them.

Speculative at best Withano, We might not be Brexiting at all if they weren't so complacent in the referendum

[smudgie]

Early reports have suggested that as many as 72% of young people voted in this general election.
The snap election called by Theresa May in April is said to have sparked a monumental turnout among voters aged 18 to 24, resulting in an unprecedented (apart from by YouGov) hung parliament.
However the 72% figure is just an estimate, initially reported by the head of the NUS. Ipsos Mori pollsters have since said that detailed stats on turnout won’t be available for around a week or so.
While the Tories had expected a landslide victory, they’re currently on just 314 seats – 12 seats short of the 326 needed to have an overall majority.


Read more: http://metro.co.uk/2017/06/09/youth-out-in-full-force-as-72-of-young-people-vote-in-general-election-6696890/#ixzz4jWhkTzgy



So the conservative oldies don't have all the power as was suggested on here for weeks :hehe::hehe:

The one good thing for me personally about this election is that the young have been engaged in it.
For whatever reason, they have taken part and will realise that their vote counts.

[Cherie]

I posted this earlier - http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/election-2017-40220032

Sorry didn't see it I think it's very likely near the mark, will be interesting when Mori publish

[Kazanne]

I think there was a lot of no votes as people are disillusioned with all parties tbh, I know as soon as the fox hunting was mentioned TM would struggle,I didn't vote,hubby did,but my brother and a couple of friends didn't ,so I guess there was quite a few.

[Vicky.]

72% is pretty impressive if thats what it turns out to be. Still should be higher though.

[Vicky.]

I really do think the voting age should be lowered to 16 tbh too.

[Loukas]

:hello:

Vote by age group (Sky Data on the day poll)

18-34
Lab 63%
Con 27%

[Crimson Dynamo]

Still outnumbered by the ageing population. Luckily this time a lot of old people voted with the young instead of against them.

i think you will find all the population is ageing

[Withano]

i think you will find all the population is ageing

Source

[Shaun]

Find it hard to believe considering the 2010/15 figures James posted but I wouldn't be surprised by 60%

[bots]

Source
http://static.tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pub/images/deathwithcat_8690.jpg

[Tom4784]

at last, we have a scapegoat for this clusterfck

The old and decrepit that don't know what the internet is and take the tabloids as gospel?

[Cherie]

http://static.tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pub/images/deathwithcat_8690.jpg



:joker:

The old and decrepit that don't know what the internet is and take the tabloids as gospel?


:umm2:

[DemolitionRed]

i think you will find all the population is ageing

True, though a lot of those ageing folk are between 13 and 17 which will be perfect for the next election.

[Vicky.]

http://static.tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pub/images/deathwithcat_8690.jpg

:joker:

[James]

The old and decrepit that don't know what the internet is and take the tabloids as gospel?

There's a lot of fake (and unreliable) news on the Internet though. That was blamed for Trump getting elected.

We'll see if the 72% figure story in this thread is an example of that phenomenon.

[Kizzy]

Speculative at best Withano, We might not be Brexiting at all if they weren't so complacent in the referendum

Were they complacent?... I don't think they were.

[Mystic Mock]

It's good for British Politics that so many of us came out to vote.

And the main reason was that Labour was the only party that promised young people a bright future, even if it's fake it was nice that there was hope for us for a change rather than being told we're gonna have to suffer all of the changes that will also affect the other age groups aswell, but alot of them are better equipped to handle it as they're more likely to be in a well paid job to cope with the Tories punishments.

[Brillopad]

The old and decrepit that don't know what the internet is and take the tabloids as gospel?

No lies on the net then. :shrug: Surely no-one is daft enough to take the net as gospel!

As for your blatant ageism, time will have the last laugh on you there - enjoy it while you can. The stupidity of your words will finally dawn.

[Kazanne]

The old and decrepit that don't know what the internet is and take the tabloids as gospel?

They fought for you to have the freedoms you have, that is really disrespectful to older people imo.

[Cherie]

There's a lot of fake (and unreliable) news on the Internet though. That was blamed for Trump getting elected.

We'll see if the 72% figure story in this thread is an example of that phenomenon.

Good point James

[Cherie]

They fought for you to have the freedoms you have, that is really disrespectful to older people imo.

Just a normal day on TiBB :laugh:

[Brillopad]

They fought for you to have the freedoms you have, that is really disrespectful to older people imo.

And he was telling others in recent threads how 'disrespectful' their vote for Brexit and the Tories was was to those that fought in the wars to preserve our freedoms. You couldn't make it up.

[user104658]

Do we have to point out, once again, that to have served in word war 2 one would realistically have to have been born in or before around 1927... Making the youngest ww2 veterans 90 years old today.

Anyone under that age did not fight for our freedoms. The rhetoric that the "older generations fought in wars for what we have!" made sense back in the 1990's... When Ww2 veterans were in their 70's. But people appear to have got stuck on it like a soundbite. It's 2017. It just doesn't hold water anymore.

[user104658]

Also have to say... A bit of irony to see people complaining about ageism against the older generations, whilst in the same post being ageist about young people. :think: it does work both ways, you know. For every "inexperienced" young voter, there's an "out of touch" elderly voter.

[Smithy]

They fought for you to have the freedoms you have, that is really disrespectful to older people imo.

But now they're fighting to take away the NHS and people's rights, that's pretty disrespectful too

[bots]

But now they're fighting to take away the NHS and people's rights, that's pretty disrespectful too

That is a completely fabricated point with no basis in fact whatsoever

[Brillopad]

But now they're fighting to take away the NHS and people's rights, that's pretty disrespectful too

Generally older people need the NHS more than the young so that really makes no sense.

[Tom4784]

No lies on the net then. :shrug: Surely no-one is daft enough to take the net as gospel!

As for your blatant ageism, time will have the last laugh on you there - enjoy it while you can. The stupidity of your words will finally dawn.

More chance of truth on the internet where all sides are reported than with the tabloids and their regular character assassinations and worship of Theresa May (I believe I saw the sun call her the 'people's champion'. on a front page a few days before election, very unbiased reporting there!

It's the older generations that decided both the EU Ref and this election, they deserve to take the flack for their mistakes, it was also their generations that ****ed up everything to begin with so you can be quiet with those weak claims of ageism.

[Tom4784]

They fought for you to have the freedoms you have, that is really disrespectful to older people imo.

The majority of people who voted Tory would not be old enough to have fought in World War 2 so this is a false statement.

Plus they voted for Theresa May who said that she'd 'rip up' Human Rights laws to combat terrorism which is an ACTUAL insult to all that have sacrificed and died to ensure the rights we enjoy. Try again.

[Tom4784]

Generally older people need the NHS more than the young so that really makes no sense.

As I've always said, most people are inherently stupid and will vote against themselves, The Tories took focus away from their plans for the NHS by repeating vague rhetoric and appealing to the prejudices of the voters.

Mention immigration or terrorism and most people will be gullible enough to vote for you regardless of what you are actually saying.

[Cherie]

Also have to say... A bit of irony to see people complaining about ageism against the older generations, whilst in the same post being ageist about young people. :think: it does work both ways, you know. For every "inexperienced" young voter, there's an "out of touch" elderly voter.

No irony at all TS, I posted this because of all the finger pointing that was done to "old people" voting in the EU referendum and how they would be dead before the consequences would be felt etc, shame a lot of the same finger pointers didn't feel the need to vote in the mass numbers as they obviously did this time round, so as the old saying goes, sauce for the goose, sauce for the gander :hee: the good thing to come out of this is that people are realising how important their vote is...20 votes the difference in safe seat Kensington...also TS I didn't resort to using insulting terms to describe young voters

[Withano]

No irony at all TS, I posted this because of all the finger pointing that was done to "old people" voting in the EU referendum and how they would be dead before the consequences would be felt etc, shame a lot of the same finger pointers didn't feel the need to vote in the mass numbers as they obviously did this time round, so as the old saying goes, sauce for the goose, sauce for the gander :hee: the good thing to come out of this is that people are realising how important their vote is...20 votes the difference in safe seat Kensington...

Hmm you responded to one of my posts, and I ignored it because I didnt really understand it.. but if this was your reasoning, then that wasnt my intention. I was simply pointing out that 100% of the young is outnumbered by 100% of the old, 100% of 18-30s are still outnumbered by 50% of 50+'s. I was talking quantities, this isnt speculative.

[bots]

Hmm you responded to one of my posts, and I ignored it because I didnt really understand it.. but if this was your reasoning, then that wasnt my intention. I was simply pointing out that 100% of the young is outnumbered by 100% of the old, 100% of 18-30s are still outnumbered by 50% of 50+'s. I was talking quantities, this isnt speculative.

There is an age distribution gap, and one that will always be there.

Politics and outcome doesn't need to be governed by age though, in the same way that north/south divides don't need to be the deciding factor.

Also, lets highlight the most obvious example. Corbyn is approaching being 70 years old. He is past normal retirement age already and here he is championing the causes that the young demographic identify with.

Politics just isn't that simple, and can't be generalised so easily.

[Cherie]

Hmm you responded to one of my posts, and I ignored it because I didnt really understand it.. but if this was your reasoning, then that wasnt my intention. I was simply pointing out that 100% of the young is outnumbered by 100% of the old, 100% of 18-30s are still outnumbered by 50% of 50+'s. I was talking quantities, this isnt speculative.

It is speculative as you are assuming in that scenario that all oldies vote one way...the days of people voting one party for ever is over ask UKIP

[Cherie]

There is an age distribution gap, and one that will always be there.

Politics and outcome doesn't need to be governed by age though, in the same way that north/south divides don't need to be the deciding factor.

Also, lets highlight the most obvious example. Corbyn is approaching being 70 years old. He is past normal retirement age already and here he is championing the causes that the young demographic identify with.

Politics just isn't that simple, and can't be generalised so easily.

Exactly

[Withano]

There is an age distribution gap, and one that will always be there.

Politics and outcome doesn't need to be governed by age though, in the same way that north/south divides don't need to be the deciding factor.

Also, lets highlight the most obvious example. Corbyn is approaching being 70 years old. He is past normal retirement age already and here he is championing the causes that the young demographic identify with.

Politics just isn't that simple, and can't be generalised so easily.

Im still just talking quantities. There are literally more old than young, and they have historically voted differently to one another.

[Withano]

It is speculative as you are assuming in that scenario that all oldies vote one way...the days of people voting one party for ever is over ask UKIP

But your post was in response to me suggesting, that this time, a lot of the old voted with the young instead of against them.. youve fought for both sides now!

[Brillopad]

As I've always said, most people are inherently stupid and will vote against themselves, The Tories took focus away from their plans for the NHS by repeating vague rhetoric and appealing to the prejudices of the voters.

Mention immigration or terrorism and most people will be gullible enough to vote for you regardless of what you are actually saying.

As you keep repeating, and most are not buying.

Immigration is a problem when too many with a Middle Ages mindset are squeezed into small areas among those of a modern democratic mindset. The evidence is there and we are all painfully aware of it.

You can shout your opinion until you explode - it doesn't make it correct and it doesn't make everyone with a different opinion stupid. To think that is stupid.

[Cherie]

But your post was in response to me suggesting, that this time, a lot of the old voted with the young instead of against them.. youve fought for both sides now!

No I'm not because for all you know the same people might have voted the same way in 2015 but the young weren't out in force so we will never know will we

[Withano]

I think youth turnout was so high because they didnt feel as if they were voting against the old. The young know they live in an ageing population, and they know they'd have to vote 3:1 to outnumber them - this is impossible when the older turnout is like 80%.

But the youth didnt feel as if they were voting against them, they knew the elderly wanted their retirement, and younger adults were keen on school meals. They werent fighting against them (as much) in this election.

[Withano]

No I'm not because for all you know the same people might have voted the same way in 2015 but the young weren't out in force so we will never know will we

Oh. No not really

https://d25d2506sfb94s.cloudfront.net/cumulus_uploads/inlineimage/2015-06-08/est-age_gender.png

[Cherie]

Oh. No not really

https://d25d2506sfb94s.cloudfront.net/cumulus_uploads/inlineimage/2015-06-08/est-age_gender.png

You would need to compare it to 2017 averages to get a definitive picture surely :think:

[Cherie]

Though it's interesting that the percentage of 18 to 29s who voted UKIP isn't far behind the over 60s :omgno:

[Withano]

You would need to compare it to 2017 averages to get a definitive picture surely :think:

I'm very interested to see those results, either way I think the youth turnout was higher this time because they at least believed the below could be true.

I think youth turnout was so high because they didnt feel as if they were voting against the old. The young know they live in an ageing population, and they know they'd have to vote 3:1 to outnumber them - this is impossible when the older turnout is like 80%.

But the youth didnt feel as if they were voting against them, they knew the elderly wanted their retirement, and younger adults were keen on school meals. They werent fighting against them (as much) in this election.

[Cherie]

I'm very interested to see those results, either way I think the youth turnout was higher this time because they at least believed the below could be true.

Maybe I think a combination of the Corbyn appeal , his polices, Brexit backlash and May's many U turns helped :laugh: they must be wetting themselves in Brussels

[Withano]

Maybe I think a combination of the Corbyn appeal , his polices, Brexit backlash and May's many U turns helped :laugh: they must be wetting themselves in Brussels

Yeah, I think Corbyns manifesto made the young wake up a bit, and Mays manifesto made the older switch a bit.. I dont think the age divide will be massively significant this time round

[Tom4784]

As you keep repeating, and most are not buying.

Immigration is a problem when too many with a Middle Ages mindset are squeezed into small areas among those of a modern democratic mindset. The evidence is there and we are all painfully aware of it.

You can shout your opinion until you explode - it doesn't make it correct and it doesn't make everyone with a different opinion stupid. To think that is stupid.

I don't give a **** about whether or not you buy it, it's the truth and all you can do is deny it and that doesn't matter given how you wilfully ignore the Tories' actions yet slate Labour for things that the Tories are guilty of.

[joeysteele]

The majority of people who voted Tory would not be old enough to have fought in World War 2 so this is a false statement.

Plus they voted for Theresa May who said that she'd 'rip up' Human Rights laws to combat terrorism which is an ACTUAL insult to all that have sacrificed and died to ensure the rights we enjoy. Try again.

Absolutely,the war ended near 72 years ago,I doubt there are that many 90+ people voting now.
Also,at the end of that war most of those who likely fought and those keeping things going at home,their families.
Turned to Labour in the election of 1945,turfing out Churchill and giving Labour a landslide victory.

That's what people who lived and fought during that war decided to do the moment they got the chance.

[Cherie]

Yeah, I think Corbyns manifesto made the young wake up a bit, and Mays manifesto made the older switch a bit.. I dont think the age divide will be massively significant this time round

I really don't know what she thought was going to happen by attacking her core voters with the winter fuel allowance and dementia tax, maybe she thought they would just suck it up because she was strong and stable and would deliver a hard Brexit, when it comes to their own pockets the pensioners are as defensive as anyone other group :laugh:

[Brillopad]

Absolutely,the war ended near 72 years ago,I doubt there are that many 90+ people voting now.
Also,at the end of that war most of those who likely fought and those keeping things going at home,their families.
Turned to Labour in the election of 1945,turfing out Churchill and giving Labour a landslide victory.

That's what people who lived and fought during that war decided to do the moment they got the chance.

I bet their families still respect what they fought and died for. And it wasn't for what this country is becoming. They fought to protect us not expose us to risk.

[Tom4784]

I bet their families still respect what they fought and died for. And it wasn't for what this country is becoming. They fought to protect us not expose us to risk.

And you are arguing for destroying rights they died to protect.

[Kazanne]

The majority of people who voted Tory would not be old enough to have fought in World War 2 so this is a false statement.

Plus they voted for Theresa May who said that she'd 'rip up' Human Rights laws to combat terrorism which is an ACTUAL insult to all that have sacrificed and died to ensure the rights we enjoy. Try again.

She didn't say ALL and everybodys human rights ,she said she would get human rights altered for terrorists,so she can deport the ones she can easier,that's how I understood it anyway.

[Tom4784]

She didn't say ALL and everybodys human rights ,she said she would get human rights altered for terrorists,so she can deport the ones she can easier,that's how I understood it anyway.

That is silly, you can't pick and choose when it comes to Human Rights, it's all or nothing. Her words were an attack on Human Rights as a whole.

[user104658]

I bet their families still respect what they fought and died for. And it wasn't for what this country is becoming. They fought to protect us not expose us to risk.

This is just nonsense, pretty much everyone has ancestry who fought in or were involved in the war. On my mum's side my grandad was a Colonel and my grandmother was a nurse who served on the continent for nearly 3 years. Having family who served in WW2 is not an exclusive club :think:. Having an opinion on what they were fighting for, then, also is down to each individual.

[DemolitionRed]

This is just nonsense, pretty much everyone has ancestry who fought in or were involved in the war. On my mum's side my grandad was a Colonel and my grandmother was a nurse who served on the continent for nearly 3 years. Having family who served in WW2 is not an exclusive club :think:. Having an opinion on what they were fighting for, then, also is down to each individual.

And of course, our soldiers lives were no less precious when they got sent to Northern Ireland, Falklands, Bosnia, Afghanistan Iraq and a whole lot more. All these soldiers joined the forces believing they would fight the good fight for the freedom of their country. Some of those fights were a lot more recent than the 2nd world war. Most of us have family or know of people who fought in these wars.