The Labour Party is absolutely massive

[DemolitionRed]

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/labour-jeremy-corbyn-150000-new-members-general-election-theresa-may-conservatives-minority-a7784241.html?cmpid=facebook-post

150 000 new members signed up recently. Now there are about 800 000 of us!

I wonder if we will wind up with 1 million?

[Kizzy]

Absolutely fantastic news DR :D

[UserSince2005]

nutters.

[joeysteele]

I have to admit,I did a lot less assisting in campaigning this election than in 2015.

Where and when I did,I was amazed at the really large canvassing and leafleting teams this time.
Incredible turnouts to help.

Corbyn does have a strong dedicated team definitely and that's to his full credit that he has created such.

[Vicky.]

What are the benefits and that of being in the party? I am not a member but am vaguely interested :p Or is it just to...be part of the party? Also I thought they stopped new memberships, I am sure I read that a few months ago.

[Jack_]

'Preaching to the converted', 'naive students', '800,000 is nothing'. Am I doing this right?

It's imperative that Labour utilises this as soon as possible. Encourage more people to join, mobilise the membership, continue canvassing in the newly created marginals. The next election can't be too far away and there's no time to waste.

And you know, for all the scaremongering about and mocking of Momentum in the last 18 months, their role in this remarkable turnaround cannot be understated. I'd been debating doing some door knocking myself this election but didn't get round to it - now an electoral victory is closer than it seemed for a generation, I almost certainly will next time.

[DemolitionRed]

What are the benefits and that of being in the party? I am not a member but am vaguely interested :p Or is it just to...be part of the party? Also I thought they stopped new memberships, I am sure I read that a few months ago.

Its mainly about campaign building. You will hear first hand about what's going on within the party and hear about new proposals on policy and often asked for your own opinion.

[the truth]

yay more people who will bankrupt our country

[joeysteele]

'Preaching to the converted', 'naive students', '800,000 is nothing'. Am I doing this right?

It's imperative that Labour utilises this as soon as possible. Encourage more people to join, mobilise the membership, continue canvassing in the newly created marginals. The next election can't be too far away and there's no time to waste.

And you know, for all the scaremongering about and mocking of Momentum in the last 18 months, their role in this remarkable turnaround cannot be understated. I'd been debating doing some door knocking myself this election but didn't get round to it - now an electoral victory is closer than it seemed for a generation, I almost certainly will next time.

All that is right Jack_ and more to the point from hearing discussions since last week.
The determination to do it all again and even harder,if that's in months or a couple of years,is already,sorry for this pun,gathering great momentum.

[DemolitionRed]

yay more people who will bankrupt our country

'O ye, of little faith. Perhaps you'd have more faith if you understood how political economics work.

[DemolitionRed]

You know what's really fantastic?

Blairism is now DEAD.

[Kazanne]

It's quality that counts,not quantity:hehe:

[joeysteele]

It's quality that counts,not quantity

Labour has both, I consider a great many of my friends in Labour as quality and there is also quantity too.

Just as those in other Parties will consider their co-members quality too.

You may see no quality at all as to Labour members,that does not mean there isn't.

[UserSince2005]

what are the chances of the labour party spawning militant offshoot group?
the members seem overly passionate and irrational. its a bit scary.

[joeysteele]

'O ye, of little faith. Perhaps you'd have more faith if you understood how political economics work.

:joker: nice one.

[Brillopad]

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/labour-jeremy-corbyn-150000-new-members-general-election-theresa-may-conservatives-minority-a7784241.html?cmpid=facebook-post

150 000 new members signed up recently. Now there are about 800 000 of us!

I wonder if we will wind up with 1 million?

The whole thing is hysterical, faddy nonsense. No quality to it. It will inevitably run out of steam. People jumping on the latest bandwagon which will disappear as suddenly as appeared? You see. :joker:

[DemolitionRed]

what are the chances of the labour party spawning militant offshoot group?
the members seem overly passionate and irrational. its a bit scary.


A militant offshoot group?!? What an odd thing to suggest.

You seem to believe Corbyn is some far left politician. He's a centre left old fashioned social democrat similar to the politicians of Harold Wilson ilk and if you don't believe that, you've been spending far too much time reading crappy tabloids.

[MTVN]

A militant offshoot group?!? What an odd thing to suggest.

You seem to believe Corbyn is some far left politician. He's a centre left old fashioned social democrat similar to the politicians of Harold Wilson ilk and if you don't believe that, you've been spending far too much time reading crappy tabloids.

Eh what have you been reading. Corbyn has spent his life on the far left of the party opposed to the social democratic leadership. Not talking purely about Blair there for the record, he even opposed Michael Foot from the left. Corbyn has always aligned with Tony Benn style views (i.e. hardline socialist), not Harold Wilsons

[AnnieK]

The labour party have had a great campaign....no.one can doubt that surely

[Brother Leon]

http://i.imgur.com/5kfz7kn.gif

[smudgie]

The labour party have had a great campaign....no.one can doubt that surely

They have indeed.
Can't take that away from them.

[the truth]

'O ye, of little faith. Perhaps you'd have more faith if you understood how political economics work.

lol and you do??:joker::joker: More bankruptcy

[Brillopad]

Labour has both, I consider a great many of my friends in Labour as quality and there is also quantity too.

Just as those in other Parties will consider their co-members quality too.

You may see no quality at all as to Labour members,that does not mean there isn't.

Those new young labour 'supporters' are simply kid's in a candy store - all those lovely free treats on offer. Easily bought. Never mind real politics.

Let's just hope they don't go down in history as the generation that ruined Britain.

[jennyjuniper]

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/labour-jeremy-corbyn-150000-new-members-general-election-theresa-may-conservatives-minority-a7784241.html?cmpid=facebook-post

150 000 new members signed up recently. Now there are about 800 000 of us!

I wonder if we will wind up with 1 million?

If it's the Independant telling that news I wouldn't be so quick to believe it.:shrug:

[DemolitionRed]

If it's the Independant telling that news I wouldn't be so quick to believe it.:shrug:

No, its an official government figure but if you want to look, you will need to go The House of Commons Library and download 'Briefing Paper' Number SN05125

[DemolitionRed]

Eh what have you been reading. Corbyn has spent his life on the far left of the party opposed to the social democratic leadership. Not talking purely about Blair there for the record, he even opposed Michael Foot from the left. Corbyn has always aligned with Tony Benn style views (i.e. hardline socialist), not Harold Wilsons

Jeremy Corbyn is not hard left he is centre left, he is an old fashioned social democrat.

He is presented as hard left by the right wing gutter press because it suits their agenda.

Tony Blair was not centre he was on the right of the labour party, a New Labour blue. The less politically informed now believe he was centre because they don't realise that the Tories are no longer right wing conservatives, they are ultra right wing free market liberals who have abandoned Keynesian economics and adopted neoliberalim. Therefore as the Tories have lurched 'SO FAR RIGHT', it makes Corbyn appear 'so far Left'. And a lot of us understand this. That's why we've just had the largest swing towards Labour since WW11

[user104658]

Let's just hope they don't go down in history as the generation that ruined Britain.

:think: How could they, when Britain was ruined long before they were old enough to vote? By greedy boomers.

Also... This "pepple only vote frr Laber 4 free dreets lol" thing isn't going to take off you know. No one buys into it except pressed Tory voters. It simply isn't true.

[MTVN]

Jeremy Corbyn is not hard left he is centre left, he is an old fashioned social democrat.

He is presented as hard left by the right wing gutter press because it suits their agenda.

Tony Blair was not centre he was on the right of the labour party, a New Labour blue. The less politically informed now believe he was centre because they don't realise that the Tories are no longer right wing conservatives, they are ultra right wing free market liberals who have abandoned Keynesian economics and adopted neoliberalim. Therefore as the Tories have lurched 'SO FAR RIGHT', it makes Corbyn appear 'so far Left'. And a lot of us understand this. That's why we've just had the largest swing towards Labour since WW11

Ok but I specifically said I wasn't talking about Blair. Corbyn was considered on the far left of the Labour Party long before Blair and New Labour

[DemolitionRed]

Ok but I specifically said I wasn't talking about Blair. Corbyn was considered on the far left of the Labour Party long before Blair and New Labour

Corbyn has been an activist for peace and fairness most of his working life. So have I but that doesn't make me 'hard left'. I spent years canvassing and being a member of the Lib Dems. I jumped ship but I wouldn't do that lightly because I'm a centrist and regardless of what your imbecilic Black Tops and Murdoch paint, Corbyn's Labour party is a centrist party.

[bots]

https://s3.amazonaws.com/lowres.cartoonstock.com/hobbies-leisure-fish_story-fish-exaggerating-fishing-small_fish-pknn590_low.jpg

[MTVN]

Corbyn has been an activist for peace and fairness most of his working life. So have I but that doesn't make me 'hard left'. I spent years canvassing and being a member of the Lib Dems. I jumped ship but I wouldn't do that lightly because I'm a centrist and regardless of what your imbecilic Black Tops and Murdoch paint, Corbyn's Labour party is a centrist party.

You're ignoring his pre-leadership history. Saying he was always on the far left of the party is not a tabloid smear - it is a matter of historical record.

Throughout his pre-leadership parliamentary career Corbyn was a member of the Socialist Campaign Group, a hard-left group of MPs that split with the soft-left Tribune Group in 1982. It is important to note the context. Labour’s ‘right’ had already left and formed the centrist Social Democratic Party in response to the election of the left-wing Michael Foot as Labour’s leader. Corbyn and his associates actually rebelled against Foot’s leadership from the left, most notably when Tony Benn challenged Dennis Healey for the Deputy Leadership.

On a variety of issues Corbyn was well to the left of the leadership and has always held Bennite-socialist,*not*social democratic, views. In addition to campaigning to leave the EEC in 1975, Corbyn opposed the expulsion of the Trotskyite*Militant Tendency*from Labour and supported the Miner’s Strike of 1984-5. From 1982, he contributed to the*Morning Star, which has consistently had an editorial in line with the programme of the Communist Party of Great Britain. As recently as 2015, Corbyn*referred*to the paper as “the most precious and only voice we have in the daily media”.

https://www.adamsmith.org/blog/no-corbyn-is-not-just-a-normal-social-democrat%3Fformat%3Damp

[Crimson Dynamo]

and i would wager an awful lot of them cannot remember living under a socialist government

[Jack_]

People mocking others when they themselves voted for a party to kill the disabled and continue to allow women to be abused in detention centres

I've seen it all now

[DemolitionRed]

I'm not going to keep on squabbling here because when people make ridiculous statements like, "an awful lot of them cannot remember living under a socialist government" I just want to scream with frustration. There is no logic whatsoever to comments like that.

My final word on this is, as classical Social Democrat. There's nothing particularly leftist about him at all. What Corbyn wants to do is to return significant government spending to those centrist ideals that he, and so many of us, have. Things like a properly funded NHS, Free University Tuition.

What Corbyn wants to do is to return government spending to the priorities of the old Labour Party; the goal being to increase the overall social wage, increase egalitarianism and to ensure that society as a whole benefits from the actions of government. Jeremy Corbyn has announced we don't want a centre-right conservative party pretending to be labour we want to go back to the social democracy of the centre-left, and as you see with the General Election that has been met with huge support. In addition 150,000 people have joined the Labour Party in the last week and that is added to the huge number who joined when Corbyn became leader, which included former labour members who left under Blair, and people like me who previously were politically active but never with the labour party.

[James]

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/labour-jeremy-corbyn-150000-new-members-general-election-theresa-may-conservatives-minority-a7784241.html?cmpid=facebook-post

150 000 new members signed up recently. Now there are about 800 000 of us!

I wonder if we will wind up with 1 million?

False claim that Labour membership surged by 150,000 - http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/blogs-trending-40251890

[the truth]

mostly deluded greedy students expecting hand outs for doing nothing from santa corbyns magic money tree

[smudgie]

False claim that Labour membership surged by 150,000 - http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/blogs-trending-40251890

:laugh::laugh: simple typo, adding a nought.
I think not.:joker::joker::joker:

[Jack_]

The evidence emerging over the last few days is signalling that in actual fact the supposed 'youth surge' may not be the only (or indeed primary) reason for Labour's turnaround. Indeed, Labour led among everyone under 50 (https://twitter.com/YouGov/status/874668248146554880), youth turnout was at 57% (https://twitter.com/YouGov/status/874668544214151169) (and not the reported 72%), and furthermore, a higher proportion of youths voted Labour in 2015 than they did this year (https://twitter.com/Limitless_Josh/status/874671868422344704). So it seems they did a pretty good job of attracting a variation of voters...doesn't give much credence to students searching for 'freebies' argument does it.

But since we're here, speaking of education:

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DCNydp5XoAAuujY.jpg:large

:hehe:

[the truth]

yes students arebrainwashed with feminist revisionism, I know one girl with an A in history A level who had never heard of lloyd george, cant teach her than a pale male stale MAN actually gave women the vote....Oh and simplistic socialism, where those who screma loud enough and riot on the streets will get money for nothing... they know bugger all about the eocnomy or running businesses

[Crimson Dynamo]

without a tory party self destruction of epic proportions this election would have been a landslide

its nothing to do with labour

stand down

[Jack_]

without a tory party self destruction of epic proportions this election would have been a landslide

its nothing to do with labour

stand down

The largest election-to-election increase in vote share since Attlee and 3.5m more votes doesn't just come at the expense of a pitiful opposition campaign. And indeed if that were true, the Tories wouldn't have increased their vote share either.

Try all you like you diminish the miraculous turnaround in fortunes of Labour thanks to their campaign, but I'm afraid you simply don't know what you're talking about.

[user104658]

To be fair none of this can be easy on Tory voters... they've had over a year of puffing their chests and giggling like gossiping schoolgirls, and they were lead to believe that it was going to go on forever. Must be hard coming back down to earth with a bump.

[joeysteele]

The largest election-to-election increase in vote share since Attlee and 3.5m more votes doesn't just come at the expense of a pitiful opposition campaign. And indeed if that were true, the Tories wouldn't have increased their vote share either.

Try all you like you diminish the miraculous turnaround in fortunes of Labour thanks to their campaign, but I'm afraid you simply don't know what you're talking about.

What happened in the greater part too Jack_ was that Theresa May,(not surprising since her judgement is atrocious anyway), the Cons and a good number of their more hardline supporters,totally underestimated Jeremy Corbyn and his campaigning abilities.

I really do now believe, whenever it comes,this election is not going to be forgotten by the electorate,so that the next one is extremely likely to result in a Labour led govt.
Even if Buffoon Boris is the new 'conning' Con leader.

[Brillopad]

To be fair none of this can be easy on Tory voters... they've had over a year of puffing their chests and giggling like gossiping schoolgirls, and they were lead to believe that it was going to go on forever. Must be hard coming back down to earth with a bump.

Rather premature don't you think. If Corbyn can come back from being untouchable anyone can.

[Kizzy]

Rather premature don't you think. If Corbyn can come back from being untouchable anyone can.

No... She can't come back from this, you can not have faith in someone and get faith you can't lose faith and regain it. Especially in these dubious circumstances her govt is wonkier than it has ever been... unstable just isn't strong enough a word, it's more calamitous :laugh:

[smudgie]

She intends staying, if the talks with the DUP are a success then there is no reason for her to go.
She would have to come away with an outstanding result with Brexit, and also get more involved with the people to even think of being in charge to the end of her term. Can't see it myself.:shrug:

[smudgie]

Rather premature don't you think. If Corbyn can come back from being untouchable anyone can.

:laugh: she hasn't even gone yet.:hee:

[Kazanne]

Rather premature don't you think. If Corbyn can come back from being untouchable anyone can.

This why I don't bother so much now brillo it's like all some are bothered about is scoring points and gloating,do they really care about the country or just getting one up on the opposition voters ,cant take people like that seriously that is no good for the country,

[Brillopad]

This why I don't bother so much now brillo it's like all some are bothered about is scoring points and gloating,do they really care about the country or just getting one up on the opposition voters ,cant take people like that seriously that is no good for the country,

I think a lot of it is bravado Kaz - trying to convince us and themselves. An if you shout it loud enough kind of mentality everyone will buy into it and make it real.

There is still a long way to go and many things can change. In the long run they will undoubtedly change. They should enjoy their 15 minutes! :joker:

[Brillopad]

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/labour-jeremy-corbyn-150000-new-members-general-election-theresa-may-conservatives-minority-a7784241.html?cmpid=facebook-post

150 000 new members signed up recently. Now there are about 800 000 of us!

I wonder if we will wind up with 1 million?

:joker::joker::joker::joker:

[Withano]

The evidence emerging over the last few days is signalling that in actual fact the supposed 'youth surge' may not be the only (or indeed primary) reason for Labour's turnaround. Indeed, Labour led among everyone under 50 (https://twitter.com/YouGov/status/874668248146554880), youth turnout was at 57% (https://twitter.com/YouGov/status/874668544214151169) (and not the reported 72%), and furthermore, a higher proportion of youths voted Labour in 2015 than they did this year (https://twitter.com/Limitless_Josh/status/874671868422344704). So it seems they did a pretty good job of attracting a variation of voters...doesn't give much credence to students searching for 'freebies' argument does it.

But since we're here, speaking of education:

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DCNydp5XoAAuujY.jpg:large

:hehe:

I saw this coming but didnt say anthing incase I got banned haha. The average debate (not every debate) on the election from all over social media didn't seem divided by age as much... seemed divided by intelligence.

[Brillopad]

I saw this coming but didnt say anthing incase I got banned haha. The average debate (not every debate) on the election from all over social media didn't seem divided by age as much... seemed divided by intelligence.

You wish! :joker:

[Withano]

You wish! :joker:

Why would I wish that.
1. I have a long list of wishes.
2. something that is already true wouldn't need to be one of them.

[the truth]

I saw this coming but didnt say anthing incase I got banned haha. The average debate (not every debate) on the election from all over social media didn't seem divided by age as much... seemed divided by intelligence.

no based on a liberal left leaning education

[Withano]

no based on a liberal left leaning education

So secondary school is right wing, college is central, and university is left?

[the truth]

So secondary school is right wing, college is central, and university is left?

nope its more left leaning pc liberal nonsense across the board

[Withano]

nope its more left leaning pc liberal nonsense across the board

Then why are those with only GCSE's right wing?

[Jack_]

What happened in the greater part too Jack_ was that Theresa May,(not surprising since her judgement is atrocious anyway), the Cons and a good number of their more hardline supporters,totally underestimated Jeremy Corbyn and his campaigning abilities.

I really do now believe, whenever it comes,this election is not going to be forgotten by the electorate,so that the next one is extremely likely to result in a Labour led govt.
Even if Buffoon Boris is the new 'conning' Con leader.

Do you reckon Joey? I'm hesitant about Boris becoming their leader/PM, I'd like to think people have seen through the buffoon act these days and that he's exposed himself as a thirsty-for-power-at-any-cost charlatan, but I'm worried people would just buy into the ~HAHA isn't he hilarious lol~ stuff.

Mind you, if they get a more 'moderate' leader and water down their austerity programme, we're probably in the same kind of situation. All I'm hoping is that over the next few months/however long this parliament lasts, the Tories are exposed for the toxic, nasty party they are. Given the makeup of the Commons I'm inclined to think the Brexit disaster may prove to be a poisoned chalice, so hopefully it becomes what the 2008 crash was for Labour.

This why I don't bother so much now brillo it's like all some are bothered about is scoring points and gloating,do they really care about the country or just getting one up on the opposition voters ,cant take people like that seriously that is no good for the country,

What? The reason I get so angry is precisely because I care about the future of this country, and what the Tories have been and are trying to do to it.

You know, for the past 18 months anyone that has supported Corbyn or indeed the Labour Party has been mocked and berated, the gloating has in fact come from those on the right, and it's still continuing. I have tried civilised debate, I've tried presenting evidence to attempt to justify my positions (I even did so in the other thread but you've ignored it), but all that happens is nobody listens. And the soundbites and the jibes continue. So why should I - or anyone else for that matter - bother being civilised anymore? Serious Debates on this forum is a complete ****heap, so if you can't beat them, join them.

[user104658]

"Only lefties learn stuff! Stoopid lefties and their educations!" :joker:

[Crimson Dynamo]

Jack cares about the future of the country

2 weeks ago he gave up on this country



Pretty much sums it all up


Lol

[MTVN]

tbf the number of people who go to university now is vastly greater than the number who went 20, 30 or 40 years ago so those who are educated to degree level today will be disproportionately younger. IMO it's also completely irrelevant and a lack of formal education does not mean someone is less capable of exercising political judgement

Corbyn would say the same I expect as a man who had two E grades at A-level and never went to university

[the truth]

The sheer hypocrisy of labour fans , after their party destroyed the economy and made a right mess of the benefits system and the nhs...strange how they didnt march and criticize when thousands died of abuse and neglect under labours disastrous rule of UK? They all claimed at the time the nhs was perfect and everyone working in it were angels of mercy...anyone who dare criticize from within were bulllied and badgered out of their jobs. 50% of hospital doctors said they felt bullied not to make complaints themselves....labour are a creepy party of staggering double standards and complete hypocrisy

[Jack_]

Jack cares about the future of the country

2 weeks ago he gave up on this country



Pretty much sums it all up


Lol

Firstly, keep my name out of your mouth. I didn't address you, so don't address me.

Secondly, I care about the future of this country, hence why I was so despondent and angry about the direction I thought the electorate were going to take it in. Thankfully I was wrong, though the link between these two things should be pretty obvious, or are you being deliberate obtuse? :umm2:

Finally, you only returned to the forum in the last few days - so how do you know what I was posting about two weeks ago? Have you been stalking me? I thought you'd given up on this place anyway?

[Withano]

tbf the number of people who go to university now is vastly greater than the number who went 20, 30 or 40 years ago so those who are educated to degree level today will be disproportionately younger. IMO it's also completely irrelevant and a lack of formal education does not mean someone is less capable of exercising political judgement

Corbyn would say the same I expect as a man who had two E grades at A-level and never went to university

There are people from every education level voting for every party, doesnt really make sense to bring individuals into it. Its the clear significant difference which makes an interesting talking point. Thats not to say a person with a degree cant be a tory (some clearly are, the graph shows this) and thats not to say that a person with 0 GCSEs cant be a Corbynite (the graph shows this too). You're right, those with a lesser education can make a formal decision.. but nobody ever suggested otherwise.

[user104658]

Firstly, keep my name out of your mouth. I didn't address you, so don't address me.

Secondly, I care about the future of this country, hence why I was so despondent and angry about the direction I thought the electorate were going to take it in. Thankfully I was wrong, though the link between these two things should be pretty obvious, or are you being deliberate obtuse? :umm2:

Finally, you only returned to the forum in the last few days - so how do you know what I was posting about two weeks ago? Have you been stalking me? I thought you'd given up on this place anyway?
:worry: Not LT accidentally outing himself as a TiBB peeping Tom [emoji23]

[MTVN]

There are people from every education level voting for every party, doesnt really make sense to bring individuals into it. Its the clear significant difference which makes an interesting talking point. Thats not to say a person with a degree cant be a tory (some clearly are, the graph shows this) and thats not to say that a person with 0 GCSEs cant be a Corbynite (the graph shows this too). You're right, those with a lesser education can make a formal decision.. but nobody ever suggested otherwise.

But my point is that younger people are much more likely to vote Labour and younger people are also much more likely to have a degree because more people now go to University than they used to. Universities also tend to be breeding grounds for left-wing activism and always have been. I brought Corbyn into it because he - like many MPs - did not perform well in the education system yet their political knowledge and ability is probably better than many of the best university graduates.

[JTM45]

Universities also tend to be breeding grounds left-wing activism

aka. 'Educated and well-informed thought and opinions'.

Any party that relies on their followers being in the dark and less well educated/informed is not the sort of party that we should want to encourage.

This is exactly what Trump relied on and unashamedly targetted (''I love the uneducated'' - Trump 2016) and he's already stabbing a lot of those people in the back that he used for votes. The crappy Healthcare system he's trying to force in would leave millions of those people without (and unable to afford) health insurance.

It really is no wonder that May is such a blatant Trumpette fan-girl.:yuk:

[Brillopad]

But my point is that younger people are much more likely to vote Labour and younger people are also much more likely to have a degree because more people now go to University than they used to. Universities also tend to be breeding grounds for left-wing activism and always have been. I brought Corbyn into it because he - like many MPs - did not perform well in the education system yet their political knowledge and ability is probably better than many of the best university graduates.

One word - sheep! Whatever happened to thinking as an individual.

Also interesting to note that with free unii fees the majority of people will end up with degrees and they will lose their value.

[Brillopad]

aka. 'Educated and well-informed thought and opinions'.

Any party that relies on their followers being in the dark and less well educated/informed is not the sort of party that we should want to encourage.

This is exactly what Trump relied on and unashamedly targetted (''I love the uneducated'' - Trump 2016) and he's already stabbing a lot of those people in the back that he used for votes. The crappy Healthcare system he's trying to force in would leave millions of those people without (and unable to afford) health insurance.

It really is no wonder that May is such a blatant Trumpette fan-girl.:yuk:

How do you know who is educated and who isn't - not stereotyping are we according to how people vote. Not very educated that. Historically it has always been the less educated that voted labour - haven't seen anything change.

[JTM45]

How do you know who is educated and who isn't - not stereotyping are we according to how people vote. Not very educated that. Historically it was always the less educated that voted labour - haven't seen anything change.

It's not a great idea to make comments when you haven't read/understood the source material.
It can end up making you look a bit silly, as you continually demonstrate so succintly .:bored:

[Brillopad]

It's not a great idea to make comments when you haven't read/understood the source material.
It can end up making you look a bit silly, as you continually demonstrate so succintly .:bored:

No I just didn't make the same wholescale judgements. Cheap stereotyping in my book from supporters of a party who claim to support the underdog and the less advantaged - only when it suits apparently.

[Jack_]

How do you know who is educated and who isn't - not stereotyping are we according to how people vote. Not very educated that. Historically it has always been the less educated that voted labour - haven't seen anything change.

Have you even read the humungous graph I posted in this thread? Or is this another case of someone posting without reading the thread properly?

[Brillopad]

Have you even read the humungous graph I posted in this thread? Or is this another case of someone posting without reading the thread properly?

Ballot papers are secret. Any graph is estimation and guesswork and reliant on honest responses from Jo Pulic. It is not a valid study that can determine exact figures.

[Jack_]

Ballot papers are secret. Any graph is estimation and guesswork and reliant on honest responses from Jo Pulic. It is not a valid study that can determine exact figures.

Well, considering YouGov were one of two polling companies to accurately show the gap between the two parties narrowing, and one that saw their much derided seat project model almost perfectly predict which constituencies would change hands - I'm not sure invalid is a word I'd use to describe the data.

People may have reason to lie to pollsters before they vote, such has been proven, but after? The reason the exit poll in particular is so accurate these days is because very little people have any reason to not be truthful. The same applies here.

[Withano]

No I just didn't make the same wholescale judgements. Cheap stereotyping in my book .

One word - sheep! Whatever happened to thinking as an individual.
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You must make yourself so tired all the time

[Jack_]

You must make yourself so tired all the time

:laugh2:

[Brillopad]

Well, considering YouGov were one of two polling companies to accurately show the gap between the two parties narrowing, and one that saw their much derided seat project model almost perfectly predict which constituencies would change hands - I'm not sure invalid is a word I'd use to describe the data.

People may have reason to lie to pollsters before they vote, such has been proven, but after? The reason the exit poll in particular is so accurate these days is because very little people have any reason to not be truthful. The same applies here.

The data is questionable for several reasons not least because the differences were not that pronounced and any difference was easily counteracted by how many more young people have the opportunity to go to uni than previous generations did. Level of education is not a measure of intelligence. Most people are of average intelligence and anyone of average intelligence can get a degree if given the opportunity and if they apply themselves.

The study is pretentious and attempting to suggest a fair comparison can be made between the generations and that there was a direct link between IQ and level of education.

[Brillopad]

You must make yourself so tired all the time

Tired of the hypocrisy. If others dish it out, I balance it out a bit.

[the truth]

Its so sad how deluded they are, they think if an angry mob of 50,000 people all shout a meaningless slogan all at the same time, thats a way to win an argument? Try constructing an argument, try taking all the factors into consideration, try some basic maths, basic logic, try listening to different opinions too

[JTM45]

they think if an angry mob of 50,000 people all shout a meaningless slogan all at the same time, thats a way to win an argument?

What ? You mean something like ''Strong and Stable'' or ''Make America Great Again'' ? Yep, i agree. Absolutely pathetic behaviour.:thumbs:

[JTM45]

Most people are of average intelligence

How can one even compete with such 'strong and stable' facts ? :shrug:

Maybe you should consider getting into politics. I hear UKIP are looking for people.

[James]

The evidence emerging over the last few days is signalling that in actual fact the supposed 'youth surge' may not be the only (or indeed primary) reason for Labour's turnaround. Indeed, Labour led among everyone under 50 (https://twitter.com/YouGov/status/874668248146554880), youth turnout was at 57% (https://twitter.com/YouGov/status/874668544214151169) (and not the reported 72%), and furthermore, a higher proportion of youths voted Labour in 2015 than they did this year (https://twitter.com/Limitless_Josh/status/874671868422344704). So it seems they did a pretty good job of attracting a variation of voters...doesn't give much credence to students searching for 'freebies' argument does it.

But since we're here, speaking of education:

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DCNydp5XoAAuujY.jpg:small

:hehe:

The explanation for the educational difference is that Conservatives are getting votes more from the older generation, who were much less likely to have gone to university and got degrees. Only about 1 in 10 went to university in the 1960s. It's more like 40-50% in the 2000s.

And a lot of people back then (60s etc.) left school when they were 15, and that contributes to the figures about not have A-Levels etc.

[user104658]

The obvious answer is that it's a bit of both? Yes further education is skewed towards younger generations but, also, people seem to be undervaluing the effect of having a higher level of education. One of the main ones is higher levels of critical reasoning skills; which means that "catchphrases" like "strong and stable" are less likely to work on (and are in fact likely to irritate) those who have been through the higher education system. May relied HEAVILY on these sorts of phrases and was very lazy about fleshing them out with any explanation. She just repeated them over and over like a dodgy Buzz Lightyear, trying to create an association. "The Tories are strong and stable and we need that! They must be, they keep saying it over and over."

Basically, the less educated you are, the more susceptible you are to basic advertising. Flat out fact.

[Brillopad]

The obvious answer is that it's a bit of both? Yes further education is skewed towards younger generations but, also, people seem to be undervaluing the effect of having a higher level of education. One of the main ones is higher levels of critical reasoning skills; which means that "catchphrases" like "strong and stable" are less likely to work on (and are in fact likely to irritate) those who have been through the higher education system. May relied HEAVILY on these sorts of phrases and was very lazy about fleshing them out with any explanation. She just repeated them over and over like a dodgy Buzz Lightyear, trying to create an association. "The Tories are strong and stable and we need that! They must be, they keep saying it over and over."

Basically, the less educated you are, the more susceptible you are to basic advertising. Flat out fact.

'They must be, they keep saying it over and over' which is exactly what I have been saying of Corbynites. :hee: They outdo even May on that.

[bots]

The obvious answer is that it's a bit of both? Yes further education is skewed towards younger generations but, also, people seem to be undervaluing the effect of having a higher level of education. One of the main ones is higher levels of critical reasoning skills; which means that "catchphrases" like "strong and stable" are less likely to work on (and are in fact likely to irritate) those who have been through the higher education system. May relied HEAVILY on these sorts of phrases and was very lazy about fleshing them out with any explanation. She just repeated them over and over like a dodgy Buzz Lightyear, trying to create an association. "The Tories are strong and stable and we need that! They must be, they keep saying it over and over."

Basically, the less educated you are, the more susceptible you are to basic advertising. Flat out fact.

I don't disagree that reasoned thinking is an advantage in voting, but it doesn't mean that reasoned thinking led to the vote that was cast. There are so many factors involved that it would be very difficult to attribute it.

The bottom line is that everyone requires the same base intelligence to vote, the ability to put a cross in a box .... it doesn't even need to be the one they intended :laugh:

[the truth]

labour voters and canvassers were missing most of the basic facts they knew nothing about the 2004 gp contract ignored questions on local drug problems and the town centre being the 3rd worst in UK and no emergency ward at hospital all under labour here for 90 years. they just blamed the tories. really dumb

[James]

The obvious answer is that it's a bit of both? Yes further education is skewed towards younger generations but, also, people seem to be undervaluing the effect of having a higher level of education. One of the main ones is higher levels of critical reasoning skills; which means that "catchphrases" like "strong and stable" are less likely to work on (and are in fact likely to irritate) those who have been through the higher education system. May relied HEAVILY on these sorts of phrases and was very lazy about fleshing them out with any explanation. She just repeated them over and over like a dodgy Buzz Lightyear, trying to create an association. "The Tories are strong and stable and we need that! They must be, they keep saying it over and over."

Basically, the less educated you are, the more susceptible you are to basic advertising. Flat out fact.

I think it has been shown that advertising actually has a greater effect on younger people. That's why ITV and other commercial TV channels target younger demographics in their programming. Because their shows are being watched by people who are more likely to change their buying habits because of the adverts, and that leads to higher ad revenue.

[the truth]

labour are basically communists in Wales against all free market destroying smes with obscene rates and expensive car parking and hospital parking charges....they even have landlords needing 2 compulsory licenses 1 for the individual license another per property. why do you think wales gdp is a pathe tic 15k per head average and England's is 36k? one word- labour. they're anti economic anti sme anti free enterprise pro superstate. they take deead people's body parts without their consent in Wales too. they have no respect for individual choice. I detest them

[Brillopad]

I think it has been shown that advertising actually has a greater effect on younger people. That's why ITV and other commercial TV channels target younger demographics in their programming. Because their shows are being watched by people who are more likely to change their buying habits because of the adverts, and that leads to higher ad revenue.

Good point.

[the truth]

I think it has been shown that advertising actually has a greater effect on younger people. That's why ITV and other commercial TV channels target younger demographics in their programming. Because their shows are being watched by people who are more likely to change their buying habits because of the adverts, and that leads to higher ad revenue.
young people are more naive impressionable simplistic and less well informed outside their classrooms. that's what santa corbyn was able to buy their vote with insane unaffordable unearned handouts to everyone

[Crimson Dynamo]

Small boy LT asked me "what is Socialism?" so I asked him to cut the back grass, when he finished 2 hours later I took out my wallet and £10 and his eyes lit up, then I went next door and gave a wee boy there the tenner.

He says now that him and the wee boy next door are refusing to cut the grass unless both get £12

I am going to get the Polish boy from the next street to do it as he charges £5.

[joeysteele]

labour are basically communists in Wales against all free market destroying smes with obscene rates and expensive car parking and hospital parking charges....they even have landlords needing 2 compulsory licenses 1 for the individual license another per property. why do you think wales gdp is a pathe tic 15k per head average and England's is 36k? one word- labour. they're anti economic anti sme anti free enterprise pro superstate. they take deead people's body parts without their consent in Wales too. they have no respect for individual choice. I detest them

Yet 50% of voters voted Labour in Wales.
Despite all the bile you keep spouting out,still harking back over 13 years ago to 2004.

Moaning at all you yourself,clearly not a near majority of your Country,see wrong as to Labour while ignoring all the rotten heartless and wrong things done by this Con party over just the last 7 years.

Again leaving you totally at odds with your other citizens in Wales who do see those wrongs of this Con party, while supporting the party they trust most as to govt and even in the Welsh assembly,namely Labour.

[user104658]

Small boy LT asked me "what is Socialism?" so I asked him to cut the back grass, when he finished 2 hours later I took out my wallet and £10 and his eyes lit up, then I went next door and gave a wee boy there the tenner.

He says now that him and the wee boy next door are refusing to cut the grass unless both get £12

I am going to get the Polish boy from the next street to do it as he charges £5.

Well done LT, it's going to cost the school system an absolute fortune to deprogram your son of this bull**** :fist:. Millions, I'd say.

[JTM45]

labour are basically communists in Wales against all free market destroying smes with obscene rates and expensive car parking and hospital parking charges....they even have landlords needing 2 compulsory licenses 1 for the individual license another per property. why do you think wales gdp is a pathe tic 15k per head average and England's is 36k? one word- labour. they're anti economic anti sme anti free enterprise pro superstate. they take deead people's body parts without their consent in Wales too. they have no respect for individual choice. I detest them

What a load of ****e!!!
I live in Wales and have done for most of my life (apart from living in Africa for several years) and people here love and depend on the Labour Party.
And that ''dead body parts'' bit is absolutely laughably ridiculous (even moreso than your average stuff). Only thing you didn't mention is the rampant Dragon problem we have here!!!!! :joker:

[the truth]

What a load of ****e!!!
I live in Wales and have done for most of my life (apart from living in Africa for several years) and people here love and depend on the Labour Party.
And that ''dead body parts'' bit is absolutely laughably ridiculous (even moreso than your average stuff). Only thing you didn't mention is the rampant Dragon problem we have here!!!!! :joker:
nope everything I said is 100% accurate

[the truth]

Yet 50% of voters voted Labour in Wales.
Despite all the bile you keep spouting out,still harking back over 13 years ago to 2004.

Moaning at all you yourself,clearly not a near majority of your Country,see wrong as to Labour while ignoring all the rotten heartless and wrong things done by this Con party over just the last 7 years.

Again leaving you totally at odds with your other citizens in Wales who do see those wrongs of this Con party, while supporting the party they trust most as to govt and even in the Welsh assembly,namely Labour.

purely because theres a higher percentage of public sector workers in Wales than in old communist russia and they all want a pay rise which the country can't afford because it's so poor because labour strangle businessus with insane rates and petty burocrats. they sell out to the big corporations though gifting them land and selling public land at 10 times less than its worth. why do you think England is 250% wealthier per head?

[JTM45]

nope everything I said is 100% accurate

Just because you say something ridiculous enough times it doesn't make it 'accurate', or even vaguely true!

Your family have to expressely give doctors the OK to use your organs after your death unless you've already specifically consented before your death. That's does not equal, as you seemed to be trying to put it ''they take deead people's body parts without their consent in Wales too''.:laugh:

As it happens 9 out of 10 people polled in Wales were pro organ donation anyway..........the nasty, evil bastards!

The GDP in Wales as of January this year is just under £20,000 (£19620...to be 'accurate') whereas that of England is £30,000 so you cut the figure by 25% (a full quarter of the amount!) on the Welsh GDP and inflated it by 16% (1/6 th) on the English.Hmmmm....:bored:

There's nothing like accurate reporting of the facts and this was nothing like it. But then why would we expect anything less........or more ?

[the truth]

Just because you say something ridiculous enough times it doesn't make it 'accurate', or even vaguely true!

Your family have to expressely give doctors the OK to use your organs after your death unless you've already specifically consented before your death. That's does not equal, as you seemed to be trying to put it ''they take deead people's body parts without their consent in Wales too''.:laugh:

As it happens 9 out of 10 people polled in Wales were pro organ donation anyway..........the nasty, evil bastards!

The GDP in Wales as of January this year is just under £20,000 (£19620...to be 'accurate') whereas that of England is £30,000 so you cut the figure by 25% (a full quarter of the amount!) on the Welsh GDP and inflated it by 16% (1/6 th) on the English.Hmmmm....:bored:

There's nothing like accurate reporting of the facts and this was nothing like it. But then why would we expect anything less........or more ?

no they do not you are 100% wrong, they take your organs ....They ONLY dont take them if you specifically request they dont take them with an opt out form

[the truth]

Rank Name GVA per capita 2015 Total GVA 2015
1 England
∟ London
∟ South East
∟ East of England
∟ South West
∟ North West
∟ East Midlands
∟ West Midlands
∟ Yorkshire and the Humber
∟ North East

£26,159
£43,629
£27,847
£23,970
£23,031
£21,867
£20,929
£20,826
£20,351
£18,927

£1.433 trillion
£378 billion
£249 billion
£146 billion
£126 billion
£157 billion
£98 billion
£120 billion
£110 billion
£50 billion

2 Scotland £23,685 £127 billion
3 Northern Ireland £18,584 £34 billion
4 Wales £18,002 £56 billion
United Kingdom £25,351 £1.666 trillion

[the truth]

as you can see wales is much poorer , because its run by labour

[Crimson Dynamo]

that is awful for Wales, so low

[user104658]

young people are more naive impressionable simplistic and less well informed outside their classrooms. that's what santa corbyn was able to buy their vote with insane unaffordable unearned handouts to everyone

Are you suggesting that anyone who doesn't want to vote Tory is "Naive, impressionable, simplistic and not well informed"? Hmm.

The "strong and stable" stuck record that May managed to get impressionable people parroting is one of the most simplistic political messages I've ever encountered.